17:30:19 <roshi> #startmeeting F23-FE-review
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17:30:19 <roshi> #meetingname F23-FE-review
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17:30:19 <roshi> #topic Roll Call
17:30:28 <roshi> #topic Roll call
17:30:39 <adamw> on track for the cookie so far
17:30:48 <kalev> did anyone say cookies!?
17:30:53 <tflink> the cookie?
17:31:00 <roshi> #topic Introduction
17:31:00 <roshi> Why are we here?
17:31:00 <roshi> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed FEs and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them.
17:31:03 <roshi> #info We'll be following the FE process outlined at:
17:31:05 * jpigface is listening
17:31:05 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
17:31:08 <roshi> #info The bugs up for review today are available at:
17:31:10 <roshi> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
17:31:57 <roshi> we've got 9 proposed FEs to look at
17:32:01 <roshi> first up
17:32:03 <roshi> #topic (1256065) AttributeError: 'UserSpoke' object has no attribute '_confirm_check'
17:32:07 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1256065
17:32:09 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, MODIFIED
17:32:13 <adamw> tflink: i promised roshi a cookie if he adjusted all the boilerplate correctly for an FE-only meeting
17:32:22 <adamw> oooh, too bad! reference to "nice-to-have bugs"
17:32:26 <adamw> NO COOKIE FOR YOU
17:32:41 <roshi> FEs are all *about* nice to have bugs
17:32:56 <roshi> there's that classical canadian interpretation of "reality" for you
17:32:59 * roshi ducks
17:32:59 <adamw> FE is the new name for nice-to-have bugs. all references to nice-to-have must be exterminated
17:33:00 <roshi> :P
17:33:12 <adamw> so IIRC this one happens with kickstarts that specify non-encrypted user passwords
17:33:45 <adamw> seems worth fixin'
17:33:52 * kalev concurs
17:34:35 * handsome_pirate stumbles in with a bo'le of rum
17:34:53 <adamw> +1
17:35:19 <kalev> +1
17:35:46 <roshi> sgtm +1
17:36:26 <kalev> silently giggling to myself?
17:36:27 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1256065 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a fix to this kickstart issue during freeze.
17:36:56 <roshi> lol
17:37:20 <adamw> licking on lollipops?
17:37:34 <adamw> ack
17:37:36 <jpigface> ack
17:37:37 <kalev> ack
17:37:58 <roshi> yep, to both those things
17:38:07 <roshi> #agreed - 1256065 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a fix to this kickstart issue during freeze.
17:38:18 <roshi> #topic (1274103) anaconda --image install runs hwclock on host system and changes the time
17:38:21 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1274103
17:38:23 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, POST
17:39:30 * handsome_pirate is +1 for the reason bcl gave
17:39:56 <roshi> seems like a lightweight enough change
17:40:00 <roshi> +1
17:40:06 <kalev> +1
17:40:14 <jpigface> +1 here too
17:40:43 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1274103 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - This fix looks simple enough to pull in during freeze.
17:40:53 <jpigface> ack
17:41:05 <kalev> ack
17:42:42 <roshi> #agreed - 1274103 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - This fix looks simple enough to pull in during freeze.
17:42:47 <roshi> #topic (1274319) Put dnf's yumdb on live images
17:42:48 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1274319
17:42:48 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, distribution, NEW
17:44:33 <roshi> +1 for this
17:45:30 <jpigface> seems reasonable. +1
17:45:31 <linuxmodder> .hello corey84
17:45:32 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
17:45:47 <kalev> I can be +1 to my own request too :)
17:46:49 <linuxmodder> experiencing  serious lag  (even via bouncer) may be delayed in re
17:47:02 <roshi> adamw, handsome_pirate?
17:47:32 <adamw> sorry, catching up with secretary stuff
17:47:38 <adamw> i noticed possible issues in the last two things so was noting those
17:47:43 <adamw> um
17:47:48 <adamw> so yeah, is this safe?
17:47:59 <adamw> can we assume DNF will always be happy with a yum-created DB?
17:48:13 * adamw jumped the gun on the BZ comment, sorry
17:48:30 <kalev> yup, it's the same DB format, should be fine
17:48:39 <roshi> I'll defer to kalev for that
17:49:03 <roshi> granted, I'll want to test the fix, but in general +1 for the fix
17:51:25 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1274319 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a well tested fix for this during freeze.
17:51:47 * handsome_pirate is +1
17:52:00 <kalev> ack
17:52:01 <jpigface> ack
17:52:10 <handsome_pirate> ack
17:52:38 <adamw> worried ack
17:52:46 <roshi> #agreed - 1274319 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a well tested fix for this during freeze.
17:52:55 <roshi> adamw: I said "well tested"
17:53:05 <roshi> what's the worst that can happen?
17:53:05 * adamw can just see 'oh, yeah, it's the same format, except DNF expects it to say 'foo' when it says 'bar'....'
17:53:28 <adamw> we find some odd corner case which breaks updates for everyone in three months? :P
17:53:40 * adamw just paranoid
17:54:07 <roshi> if it looks sketchy, we don't pull it in
17:54:12 <roshi> #topic (1273146) Include a wayland app launching fix for F23
17:54:12 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1273146
17:54:12 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, glib2, ON_QA
17:54:13 <kalev> it's good you are paranoid and that's also why I keep posting the kickstart fixes as FE's instead of just pushing them to get more eyes reviewing changes :)
17:54:44 <kalev> so, this one we didn't take last time, but said we'd do it if we slip, and ...
17:54:47 <kalev> we slipped now
17:55:13 <roshi> yeah, that's what we said
17:55:22 <kalev> one other place where it shows up that nobody mentioned last time is the "Launch" button in gnome-software
17:55:30 * roshi is fine for "considering a fix" for this :p
17:55:31 <kalev> that also doesn't work without that fix
17:55:46 <adamw> i'm ok with pulling this in for an RC composed today/tomorrow
17:55:53 <adamw> 'that gives us reasonable time to back it out if it's busted
17:56:01 <roshi> yeah
17:56:17 <kalev> yes, I am of the same mind. same as with the above kickstart change, I wouldn't want to get this pulled in at the last moment.
17:56:49 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1273146 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - Since we've slipped, we'll consider a fix for this during freeze, as we'll have enough time to back it out if it fails during testing.
17:57:00 <handsome_pirate> ack
17:57:02 <kalev> ack
17:57:15 <adamw> ack
17:57:19 <jpigface> ack
17:57:21 <roshi> #agreed - 1273146 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - Since we've slipped, we'll consider a fix for this during freeze, as we'll have enough time to back it out if it fails during testing.
17:57:25 <roshi> #topic (1266486) [abrt] gnome-shell: g_hash_table_contains(): gnome-shell killed by SIGSEGV
17:57:28 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1266486
17:57:31 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-shell, MODIFIED
17:58:13 <kalev> a bunch of +1 FE's already in the ticket
17:58:30 <roshi> already voted
17:58:34 <adamw> yeah, sitll +1
17:58:35 <roshi> so, I count 4 +1
17:58:54 <jpigface> +1 as per comment 21
17:59:15 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1266486 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - In following with the reasoning in c#21, we'd consider a fix for this during freeze.
17:59:30 <kalev> ack
17:59:31 <jpigface> ack
17:59:41 <adamw> ackl
17:59:43 <adamw> also ack
18:00:04 <roshi> #agreed - 1266486 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - In following with the reasoning in c#21, we'd consider a fix for this during freeze.
18:00:13 <roshi> #topic (1200901) invisible mouse cursor in wayland login-screen when in VM (qxl makes cursor disappear as soon as drmModeSetCrtc is called)
18:00:16 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200901
18:00:19 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, VERIFIED
18:00:44 <adamw> huh, didn't we accept this already?
18:00:46 <kalev> it's already accepted
18:00:48 <kalev> yup
18:02:30 <roshi> huh
18:02:32 <roshi> so it is
18:02:34 <roshi> moving on
18:02:44 <roshi> #topic (1238846) CVE-2015-1867 pacemaker: acl read-only access allow role assignment [fedora-all]
18:02:47 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238846
18:02:50 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, pacemaker, ON_QA
18:03:33 <adamw> do we know if this is on any of the media?
18:03:43 * kalev goes to grep comps.
18:03:49 * roshi hasn't heard of pacemaker before
18:03:53 <adamw> it's in 'ha' group
18:04:17 <adamw> which is in the server DVD
18:04:19 <adamw> so ok, i guess
18:04:21 <adamw> +1
18:04:22 <kalev> +1
18:04:57 <jpigface> if it's part of server DVD, I'm +1
18:05:34 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1238846 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a fix for this issue since it impacts the Server DVD.
18:05:40 <jpigface> ack
18:05:41 <kalev> ack
18:05:44 <adamw> ack
18:05:50 <roshi> #agreed - 1238846 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a fix for this issue since it impacts the Server DVD.
18:06:01 <roshi> two more
18:06:02 <roshi> #topic (1273413) vfrnav has broken dependencies in F23 tree
18:06:02 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1273413
18:06:02 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, vfrnav, ON_QA
18:06:27 <adamw> i think this was unproposed
18:06:33 <adamw> yup.
18:06:34 * kalev nods.
18:06:49 <kalev> already fixed in a different way
18:06:49 <roshi> yep
18:06:55 <roshi> #topic (1273247) Mouse cursor lost completely upon log out (sddm / KDE)
18:06:58 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1273247
18:07:01 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, xorg-x11-drv-qxl, NEW
18:07:02 <adamw> and we already approved this noe.
18:07:06 <roshi> yeah
18:07:06 <adamw> god, refresh your page, roshi. ;)
18:07:07 * kalev nods.
18:07:12 <roshi> #topic Open Floor
18:07:28 <roshi> but that's *yet another button* I'd have to press
18:07:48 <roshi> anyone have something else?
18:07:55 <kalev> sorry for proposing so many FE's and thanks for looking them over
18:08:22 <jpigface> I've got a question (a bit OT for the meeting, though). Is a RC3 planned or will the RC2 last again for some other days?
18:08:22 <roshi> no worries - thanks for tracking them all
18:08:31 <handsome_pirate> lol
18:08:36 <roshi> it's good to get these polish fixes in :)
18:08:52 <kalev> yes, hopefully we'll have a nice good polished release :)
18:08:55 <roshi> jpigface: I imagine adamw is getting ready to put in the request soon
18:09:01 <adamw> yep
18:09:16 <jpigface> ok, thanks for the info :).
18:09:18 <adamw> i will request RC3 soon, expect it i guess tonight (NA time) or tomorrow morning (again NA time)
18:09:41 <adamw> so don't kill yourself testing RC2
18:10:00 <adamw> it'd still be good to do any tests that we haven't done for a long time, we should be trying to fill *those* gaps
18:10:08 * roshi stayed up way too late last night testing RC2
18:10:10 <adamw> but there's no point filling out stuff for RC2 that we've already done for TC10 or TC11
18:10:18 <kalev> would be good if people could help test dnf things, to make sure the db change doesn't break it in some weird way
18:10:33 <adamw> yeah, we'll test package management after an install from live in rc3
18:10:40 <kalev> 'dnf autoremove' should now start working properly, since it now has the info which packages are user installed and which are deps
18:10:41 <roshi> for sure
18:10:59 <jpigface> I think I'll try to spin an upgrade via dnf-system-upgrade, then.
18:11:09 <jpigface> (haven't tried that for a month or so)
18:11:23 <adamw> thanks - kparal's been testing, but always good to have more eyes on it
18:11:30 * roshi quietly sets the fuse...
18:11:32 <jpigface> and then I'll jump on RC3
18:12:37 * handsome_pirate falls off the pirate ship into an ocean of breaking things
18:13:07 <adamw> kalev: can you send the change to spin-kickstarts , then, so i can get bruno to do a new pacakge build?
18:13:19 <adamw> at this point we have to build the spin-kickstarts package when anyone touches git
18:13:25 <kalev> yes, doing so now
18:13:28 <adamw> so, you know, make sure you get it right :P
18:13:51 <roshi> thanks for coming folks
18:13:55 <roshi> closing this out
18:14:02 <roshi> #endmeeting