16:00:31 #startmeeting F25-blocker-review 16:00:31 #meetingname F25-blocker-review 16:00:31 #topic Roll Call 16:00:31 Meeting started Mon Aug 22 16:00:31 2016 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:31 The meeting name has been set to 'f25-blocker-review' 16:00:31 The meeting name has been set to 'f25-blocker-review' 16:00:38 ahoyhoy folks, who's around for blocker review fun? 16:01:22 * pwhalen is here 16:01:27 * coremodule is here. 16:01:39 * satellit listening 16:01:41 * kparal is here 16:01:43 * brunowolff is here 16:01:46 * Southern_Gentlem 16:01:52 dgilmore: nirik: pingle 16:02:08 * mboddu is here 16:02:09 #chair pwhalen brunowolff 16:02:09 Current chairs: adamw brunowolff pwhalen 16:02:41 * pschindl is here 16:02:56 .hello jforbes 16:03:02 jforbes: jforbes 'Justin M. Forbes' 16:03:15 hola adamw 16:03:34 alrighty, nice turnout - thanks everyone 16:03:46 #topic Introduction 16:03:46 Why are we here? 16:03:46 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:03:46 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:03:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:03:48 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:03:49 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:03:51 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:03:53 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_Alpha_Release_Criteria 16:03:55 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:03:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_Final_Release_Criteria 16:04:10 for Alpha, we have: 16:04:10 #info 3 Proposed Blockers 16:04:10 #info 1 Accepted Blockers 16:04:10 #info 3 Proposed Freeze Exceptions 16:04:11 #info 3 Accepted Freeze Exceptions 16:04:17 How much do we care about a kernel bug that prevents input on a few laptops? 16:04:31 brunowolff: enough to hear about it 16:04:33 #info also 1 Proposed Blocker (Beta) and 6 Proposed Blockers (Final) 16:04:35 There is an upstream fix, but it isan't in Linus' tree yet and probably won't be in alpha. 16:04:52 brunowolff: is there an RHBZ? 16:05:42 who wants to secretarialize? 16:05:44 .bug 1366224 16:05:44 brunowolff: Bug 1366224 – Recent 4.8 kernels do not read keyboard for entering disk password - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1366224 16:05:44 bug 1366224 16:05:44 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1366224 16:05:46 don't all shout at once 16:05:56 I can't remember the zodbot command to show bugs. 16:05:58 brunowolff: i'd suggest just throw a blocker or FE nomination at it and we'll include it at the relevant point 16:06:04 I'll act as secretary. 16:06:13 OK, I'll do that. 16:06:17 #info coremodule will secretarialize 16:06:41 #info starting with Alpha proposed blockers... 16:06:43 #topic (1367321) system reboots 1 second after selecting a kernel in grub 16:06:43 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367321 16:06:43 #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, VERIFIED 16:06:59 oh yeah, so this one basically doesn't need discussing, as the kernel that fixes it is going stable (I just sent the request) 16:07:40 #info testing has confirmed this is fixed by 4.8.0-0.rc2.git3.1 which is now being pushed to stable, no action is needed 16:08:05 #topic (1315541) fsck.ext4 discard sometimes fails when run in Koji (results in live image compose failure) 16:08:05 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1315541 16:08:05 #info Proposed Blocker, lorax, ASSIGNED 16:08:12 ooo, so, this one...*rubs hands* 16:08:21 woohoo 16:08:28 thumbs up 16:08:37 oh ok that fixes another bug also maybe 16:08:37 testing that now 16:08:41 so i did some digging into this over the weekend, cmurf poked around also 16:08:43 any ipa/realm/sssd things still to be tested? 16:09:02 striker: the bot took care of most of it, the 'enrol via cockpit' test needs some screenshot updates which i'll get to later 16:09:09 things are basically working now though 16:09:18 (that was about freeipa) 16:09:47 so, on this bug: to cut a long story short, basically, i poked into what the problematic mounts actually *are* in the live image compose environment and there's some wacky stuff going on there 16:10:12 the time stamps in /dev/ are really weird compared to either a VM or baremetal machine 16:10:16 awesome 16:10:16 mock bind mounts the builder's /dev into the mock chroot (but not recursively, so submounts - like the builder's /dev/shm - are not bind mounted) 16:11:06 livemedia-creator creates a disk image file and mounts it at /mnt/sysimage , then anaconda bind mounts the mock chroot's /dev (which is itself a bind mount of the builder's /dev) as /mnt/sysimage/dev , then mounts a tmpfs on top of *that* as /mnt/sysimage/dev/shm 16:12:01 note that if we have multiple image compose tasks running on a builder at once, they're all basically doing a nested bind mount of the builder's /dev and trying to mount a tmpfs on top of it 16:12:46 so my suggestion is that this is quite likely to be somehow involved in the issue, and we should try tweaking koji so that live media creation tasks *don't* bind mount the builder's /dev in this way, and see if it improves things 16:12:52 yes 16:12:54 * dgilmore is working on making koji not bind mount /dev into the chroot as it was never supposed to 16:13:22 I went to a lot of effort to make sure mock had what we need 16:13:24 dgilmore: so i figured just for testing purposes it should be easy enough just to copy the function down to the LiveMediaTask class and change the bind_dirs definition 16:13:47 dgilmore: for a final fix i was thinking bind_dirs should be a class attribute and the function should just read self.bind_dirs or something like that 16:13:59 so the classes all use the same function, but a class can say 'i don't want any bind_dirs' 16:13:59 in effect i think there are multiple dev/shm's and it's not clear the right one for each environment gets umounted because the logs show dev/shm gets umounted successfully but then later it won't umount because it's busy, etc. 16:14:00 anyhoo 16:14:47 dgilmore: so should it be possible to run a compose with the change today and see how that goes? 16:14:54 the /dev looks like it has some items from the builder, dates of the builder's boot time, and then it has items with very recent times; like it's a hybrid /dev 16:15:26 cmurf: a bind mount is...live, for want of a better word; it's not a snapshot. when anything changes on the builder it will show up in the bind mounts too. 16:16:02 anyhoo, doesn't really matter, we know what we want to change 16:16:33 i dunno if any of this changes anyone's mind on whether the bug should be considered a 'blocker' or not, but we at least have a possibility for fixing it. 16:17:52 adamw: there is no need anymore at all to bind mount /dev 16:18:24 good news 16:18:36 dgilmore: did you check with bcl? i ran a test here creating an image in a mock root without the bind mount and it ran fine and everything, but there could be subtle issues of course 16:18:38 i don't know though if making this a blocker helps progress the fix 16:19:00 adamw: it works fine because I made sure it did 16:19:07 cmurf: not really, the change would be to the koji code, it wouldn't need to go in packages or anything 16:19:21 adamw: that koji was bind mounting /dev/ was news to me because it dhould have been removed ages ago 16:19:46 adamw: we have to have a koji build to deploy on the builders 16:20:02 so it does have to go in a package, but it does not need to have an update etc 16:20:05 dgilmore: okay :) i'm just saying, the live compose process is pretty complex, it seems entirely possible that you can get to a point where everything looks good and a live image spits out and mostly works OK, but perhaps the lack of a real /dev during the compose process could have some not-immediately-visible result 16:20:13 though we hopefully will have a new koji release soon 16:20:14 dgilmore: kk 16:21:22 so, do people want to make a definite blocker decision on this? or do you all want to be chickens and wave your hands and hope it goes away? :P 16:22:21 I'm a duck, not a chicken, quack quack 16:22:37 Since I haven't heard a compelling case for it being a blocker making this get fixed faster, I'm -1 16:22:42 I don't think it is a blocker, just a high priority bug. 16:22:48 wait, chickens don't have hands 16:23:25 just tasty, tasty wings 16:23:34 -1 blocker +1 infra bug 16:23:36 * satellit thanks for the detective work on this 16:23:37 i'm still -1 on strict principles, but as i mentioned i also believe releng has the power to say 'we're not doing any composes till this is fixed' without the bug being a blocker per the blocker process. 16:24:02 yeah I agree with that logic 16:24:20 I think it is a blocker 16:24:38 basically i'm hoping it goes away, and that's why i spent half my goddamn saturday figuring this crap out :P 16:24:52 so we're at -3 / +1 16:24:54 if we can not compose release blocking images, we play compose roulette and thats just not good for anyone 16:24:55 (and you loved it ) 16:25:19 if this is not a rare issue but a frequent one, I'm +1 blocker 16:25:20 * satellit hurts the non blocking spins the most... 16:25:23 They have their own freeze exception process and switching to use something from updates-testing on infra is something they can do separate from what is in the compose. 16:25:26 dgilmore, i agree with that as well, +1 16:25:32 Southern_Gentlem: not so sure of that, adamw was getting a bit testy... 16:25:41 kparal: it happens to at least *one* image on just about every compose, i think 16:25:51 kparal: every compose at least 1 if not more fail 16:25:52 in that case +1 16:26:01 kparal: but not always a blocking one; it almost never seems to hit workstation for some reason, it relatively often hits kde 16:26:17 +1 16:26:45 and kde is release blocking so... 16:26:47 (we still don't know why it affects some images more than others, though i'm gonna guess it's to do with whether the packages in the compose touch /dev/shm or something) 16:26:55 in effect the bug often blocks itself 16:27:02 infra and qa tools need to have some reasonable level of stability, otherwise everything else falls down. it makes sense to block on this 16:27:11 so that' 16:27:15 so that's +3/-3 ? 16:27:17 *and releng 16:27:35 adamw: it may be the composes are issued non-randomly and it just so happens this affects the outcome 16:27:48 ok since dgilmore says its a blocker +1 16:27:56 So if we randomly got a good compose of all images we still wouldn't do a release if the bug is still there? That seems wrong. 16:28:15 * satellit not voting as I am biased.. 16:28:25 brunowolff: as it stands, we just fire composes until we get one with kde and workstation in it, then we ship that 16:28:34 and whichever non-blocking images failed...tough luck to them 16:28:40 brunowolff: well the issue is if it's a blocker even if we do get composes that all work, we're now blocking release 16:28:53 that's what we've done for every milestone affected by the bug (which is i think all the f24 ones) 16:29:01 since february 16:29:21 * dgilmore does not want to have mboddu or himself doing compose after compose hoping to get the release blocking images built 16:29:46 adamw: does not mean we should continue to do so 16:29:58 welp, we're at a bit of a deadlock 16:30:10 we need someone else to vote 16:30:14 so instead of escalating pointlessly, i'm gonna suggest we put on our chicken wings and punt this 16:30:35 in the hope that my theory's right...because if it is, we can have this fixed very quickly. 16:30:37 4-2 16:30:44 sound ok? 16:30:49 I agree there is a problem that deserves a lot of resources to solve, I just don't think blocker is the correct terminology to use for the problem. 16:31:06 oh he's right it's +4/-3 16:31:29 Southern_Gentlem voted +1 when it was +3/-3 16:31:36 cmurf, i was one of the -1 before 16:31:41 OH 16:31:45 so it's +4/-2 16:31:55 right 16:31:55 thats what i was saying 16:32:01 ok so it blocks 16:32:11 meh, we usually go for a clearer cut vote 16:32:16 which is why i'm proposing to punt 16:32:29 I need to head off for a while. I think the needed info is in the bug I added as a FE. I don't really need to be here if you discuss it. 16:32:33 haha what? 16:32:51 brunowolff: roger, thanks 16:33:01 cmurf: we usually get a consensus or at least a large majority on votes 16:33:08 super majorities? 16:33:23 whenever it's less than, like, an 80% majority i try to get better consensus somehow or fudge 16:33:37 we've never actually agreed a concrete rule for the voting, so it's all kinda mushy 16:33:51 oh my dear sweet potatoes 16:34:01 we've turned into the U.S. senate 16:34:09 i kinda like it this way as it forces people to agree :P 16:34:24 i dunno about that 16:34:34 otherwise i can just make my vote a +1 and we can take it as a blocker, i guess. and suffer the wrath of the board when we can't fix it. 16:34:46 dgilmore: just do a releng work stoppage on account that this is a crap bug and i'll run interference ;-P 16:34:50 proposed #agreed 1315541 - AcceptedBlocker - releng made us do it 16:34:54 no? :P 16:35:01 (that's a bill the cat wink and tongue) 16:35:06 :D 16:35:08 cmurf: well scratch build is underway 16:35:17 ill do some testing in stage 16:35:25 ack 16:35:30 ack 16:35:31 ack 16:35:38 ack 16:35:47 ack 16:35:55 ack 16:36:08 haha, that was a joke 16:36:11 * adamw tries a better one 16:36:14 we're all playing along 16:36:52 ack 16:37:04 quack 16:37:22 look at the concensus we get with "releng made us do it" that's the largest number of acks I've seen in a year 16:37:23 or more 16:37:30 proposed #agreed 1315541 - AcceptedBlocker - this has been happening long enough and affects KDE often enough that we are now willing to take it as a blocker as a conditional violation of "All release-blocking images must boot in their supported configurations." (the criterion which implicitly covers 'the release-blocking images must actually exist') 16:37:38 cmurf: :P 16:37:44 ack 16:38:00 ack 16:38:02 ack 16:38:14 previous was better but ack 16:38:17 pschindl: :P 16:38:21 haha pschindl 16:38:32 i liked the previous one better also 16:38:33 ack 16:38:36 #agreed 1315541 - AcceptedBlocker - this has been happening long enough and affects KDE often enough that we are now willing to take it as a blocker as a conditional violation of "All release-blocking images must boot in their supported configurations", the criterion which implicitly covers 'the release-blocking images must actually exist'. AKA: releng made us do it 16:38:44 there, now everyone's happy 16:38:52 awesome 16:38:56 next 16:39:03 #topic (1368743) size=10 causes arm composers to hang 16:39:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1368743 16:39:04 #info Proposed Blocker, lorax, NEW 16:39:41 +1 blocker 16:39:43 this doesn't actually need review, since it prevents compose of release-blocking images 16:39:46 is arm a blocking arch? 16:39:49 +1 16:40:07 #info this actually meets the 'automatic blocker' requirements and can simply be marked as AcceptedBlocker (it entirely prevents compose of two release-blocking images - the ARM ones) 16:40:13 +1 blocker 16:40:19 yeah exactly 16:40:29 Southern_Gentlem: yeah 16:40:30 Southern_Gentlem: it is 16:40:32 +1 16:40:41 +1 blocker 16:40:49 it's fine, we don't need votes 16:40:50 moving on 16:41:01 #info moving to the proposed Alpha freeze exceptions 16:41:10 #topic (1200901) invisible mouse cursor in wayland login-screen when in VM (qxl makes cursor disappear as soon as drmModeSetCrtc is called) 16:41:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200901 16:41:11 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, POST 16:41:21 yeah, i'm fine with an FE for this...+1 16:41:29 +1 FE 16:41:38 +1`fe 16:41:39 +1 FE 16:41:40 the patch has been in use in older releases, should be safe 16:41:41 oh, and actually it should be in the kernel we're pushing stable anyhow 16:41:46 the newer kernel being pushed to stable will fix this 16:41:47 but no reason not to grant it an explict FE 16:41:49 i just ested it 16:41:50 +1 FE 16:41:58 +1 FE 16:42:07 proposed #agreed 1200901 - AcceptedFreezeException (Alpha) - this is an annoying bug and affects live images, so cannot be fixed with an update 16:42:14 there is abouyt the same bug on arm 16:42:37 ack 16:42:41 ack 16:42:49 ack 16:42:53 ack 16:42:53 ack 16:42:57 ack 16:43:00 #agreed 1200901 - AcceptedFreezeException (Alpha) - this is an annoying bug and affects live images, so cannot be fixed with an update 16:43:09 #topic (1366224) Recent 4.8 kernels do not read keyboard for entering disk password 16:43:09 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1366224 16:43:09 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, NEW 16:43:15 this is the one brunowolff added, i believe 16:43:27 * jforbes notes this is pretty much academic since the fix is included in the kernels that have other accepted FEs 16:43:47 +1fe 16:45:25 jforbes: are you sure? bruno says "The patch is now in Dmitry Torokhov's tree, but didn't make rc3" 16:45:39 For this one, the patch is simple, but not upstream yet, and not included in the rc3 builds. Even if I do another build this evening, it would be morning before it could be tested and filed 16:45:50 adamw: no, my earlier comment was on the qxl issue 16:45:51 ah, you were one bug behind 16:45:53 gotcha 16:46:08 jforbes: thanks for the timeline - still, no harm to grant it an FE in case we slip again or do a late RC 16:46:30 +1fe - we don't really have any indication how much hardware is affected, i don't think, but it's obviously a bad bug if you *are* affected and the fix looks pretty safe to me 16:46:39 adamw: yeah, I am not opposed to it. I reviewed the patch, no reason not to put it into the next build 16:47:02 +1 FE 16:47:28 well, it's not just the hardware, seems it is a combination of hardware and luks. 16:48:01 Either way, FE is fine, as given a chance, I always want the newest kernel in a release 16:48:06 jforbes: isn't it just that you only actually need the keyboard during early boot if you have encrypted partitions? 16:48:18 adamw: right 16:48:26 so the bug is *there* still, just not as important... 16:48:28 aanyhoo 16:48:35 that's +4 if we count jforbes 16:48:45 +1FE 16:49:07 proposed #agreed 1366224 - AcceptedFreezeException - we're not sure how much hardware this affects but it's serious enough and the fix is small enough that we're fine with an FE 16:49:31 ack 16:49:59 ackbar 16:50:00 ack 16:50:30 ack 16:50:46 #agreed 1366224 - AcceptedFreezeException - we're not sure how much hardware this affects but it's serious enough and the fix is small enough that we're fine with an FE 16:51:09 #topic (1367321) system reboots 1 second after selecting a kernel in grub 16:51:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367321 16:51:10 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, VERIFIED 16:51:23 so as mentioned earlier this should already be fixed by the kernel being pushed stable 16:51:31 but i think we can wave a +1 stamp at it just to make things nice and official 16:51:37 +1 FE, fixing boot fails is good 16:51:49 +1 FE 16:52:11 +1 FE 16:52:14 proposed #agreed 1367321 - AcceptedFreezeException (Alpha) - boot fails obviously are bad and cannot be fixed fully with updates, so fixing this is a good idea 16:52:16 + 1 FE 16:52:19 ack 16:52:27 +1 FE 16:52:34 ack 16:53:01 ack 16:53:04 ack 16:53:09 #agreed 1367321 - AcceptedFreezeException (Alpha) - boot fails obviously are bad and cannot be fixed fully with updates, so fixing this is a good idea 16:53:15 #topic (1368574) Needs rebuild against latest PHP, does not currently build 16:53:15 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1368574 16:53:15 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, maniadrive, NEW 16:53:41 this was preventing the games spin composing; they've now taken it out of the kickstart temporarily, but i'm still fine with giving maniadrive an FE so if they can fix it they can put it back in 16:53:47 wouldn't affect any other image 16:54:01 +1 FE 16:54:02 +1 FE 16:54:02 +1 FE 16:54:14 +FE 16:54:17 +1 FE 16:54:27 +1 FE 16:55:35 proposed #agreed 1368574 - AcceptedFreezeException (Alpha) - games spin would like to have this back in if it can be fixed, does not affect any other images 16:55:52 ack 16:55:54 ack 16:56:19 ack 16:56:37 ack 16:56:53 ack 16:58:32 #agreed 1368574 - AcceptedFreezeException (Alpha) - games spin would like to have this back in if it can be fixed, does not affect any other images 16:58:33 ack 16:58:39 ack 16:59:17 ack 16:59:26 OK, that's all the Alpha proposals 16:59:31 let's do accepted Alpha blockers next 16:59:37 #info moving onto accepted Alpha blockers 16:59:43 there's just one: 16:59:44 #topic (1365661) Cloud images fail to compose from 20160809.n.0 16:59:44 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1365661 16:59:44 #info Accepted Blocker, distribution, NEW 16:59:57 dgilmore: what did you think of my theory about this one, that it's the kernel? 17:00:27 adamw: had not seen that 17:00:35 adamw: but it is entirely possible 17:00:58 dgilmore: i didn't identify a specific kernel issue or anything, but just from the timings of when the composes started failing and when they started working again on rawhide it seems plausible 17:01:02 adamw: pushing a new kernel stable will test it 17:01:16 yep 17:01:19 right 17:01:32 so if we get that stable push i requested done before you fire the next compose we can test two birds with one stone 17:01:39 the /dev thing and this 17:02:39 sure 17:02:43 #info an updated kernel will soon be pushed stable for f25 (to fix other FE issues), so the first compose run after that push will test my theory that a new kernel will fix this 17:02:55 i'll mark the bug as ON_QA to denote that, i guess 17:04:56 * dgilmore updated koji on stg builders 17:05:21 awesome 17:05:30 alright, let's knock off the beta and final proposed blockers if we can 17:05:35 #info moving on to Beta proposed blockers 17:05:54 #topic (1366793) Nothing obsoletes retired dnf-langpacks packages, breaks upgrade from Fedora 23 to 25+ 17:05:54 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1366793 17:05:54 #info Proposed Blocker, dnf, ASSIGNED 17:06:00 there is one and it's an obvious +1 blocker 17:07:02 +1 17:07:43 slightly open whether allowerasing is enough, but i'm fine with +1 17:09:32 how would graphical upgrade deal with it? 17:09:32 any other votes? 17:09:50 cmurf: kparal says it has something similar to allowerasing (but independently implemented) 17:10:18 cmurf: it shows a popup with "these packages need to be removed" 17:10:24 ahh 17:10:54 * kparal reading the fesco ticket, but not finding any concrete guidance 17:10:59 *fpc ticket 17:12:02 at this moment, I have no idea which approach we should take 17:13:19 +1 17:14:26 punt 17:14:36 see what happens in the fpc ticket (?) 17:16:06 * adamw updating the fpc ticket 17:18:01 so are we blockin' or puntin'? 17:18:37 * kparal shrugs 17:19:32 eh, let's punt once at least. 17:19:32 punt wfm 17:20:20 proposed #agreed 1366793 - punt (delay decision) - it's not entirely clear whether we want to interpret the upgrade criteria to mean that all retired packages should be actively obsoleted, there is not a clear enough lead from FPC on this yet; we will delay the decision at least for a while 17:20:34 ack 17:20:40 ack 17:20:43 ack 17:21:50 #agreed 1366793 - punt (delay decision) - it's not entirely clear whether we want to interpret the upgrade criteria to mean that all retired packages should be actively obsoleted, there is not a clear enough lead from FPC on this yet; we will delay the decision at least for a while 17:23:25 #info moving on to Final blockers 17:23:30 #topic (1342732) SELinux is preventing accounts-daemon from 'write' accesses on the directory root. 17:23:31 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1342732 17:23:31 #info Proposed Blocker, accountsservice, ASSIGNED 17:23:42 i think AVC notification got fixed in f25, right? 17:23:47 so these should indeed be blockers again.. 17:23:54 +1 17:24:02 +1 17:24:21 +1 17:24:33 +1 17:24:47 proposed #agreed 1342732 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:24:56 +1 17:24:58 ack 17:25:36 ack 17:26:04 ack 17:26:20 #agreed 1342732 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:26:29 #topic (1367338) gnome-maps: moving and zooming with mouse and keyboard doesn't work 17:26:29 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367338 17:26:29 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-maps, NEW 17:27:00 +1 17:27:04 wonder if this is a Wayland bug? 17:27:07 it works for me, but I'm on X 17:27:10 did you try X? 17:27:16 hmm 17:27:28 Did gnome-maps move from mapquest image data to something new? 17:27:39 was wayland default a week back? we used the default session 17:27:48 i think so 17:27:55 wayland's default for a while 17:27:57 months 17:28:11 anyhoo, if it's reproducible in a clean live boot / install i'm +1 17:28:30 we have a clean VM and a clean bare metal. didn't work on either one 17:28:35 works for me 17:28:39 and i'm on wayland 17:28:53 I wonder if this is related to just clean installs 17:28:57 +1 17:29:01 let me try a live cd in VM 17:29:43 oh wait i'm an idiot 17:29:45 hold on 17:29:53 wrong VM wrong version of Fedora 17:30:10 apart from that, you got everything right? :P 17:30:26 doesn't work for me on Live 17:30:29 0816 17:30:36 wayland, it seems 17:30:44 does not work on Live, wayland 17:30:45 logging out 17:31:13 does not work as installed, in a VM, Wayland 17:31:22 and X can't be used on Live because the selector is not there if the user doesn't have a password. sigh, poor our users 17:31:53 yeah i always though that was screwy to have the selector only at the password entry... 17:31:59 does not work on X 17:32:03 doesn't work 17:32:06 +1 blocker 17:32:08 works on X for me 17:32:13 on Live 17:32:15 OK 17:32:22 not for me as installed in a VM using X 17:32:28 unless X isn't actually being used 17:32:37 same here, yeah 17:32:38 +1 17:33:21 proposed #agreed 1367338 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this fails the 'basic functionality' part of "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." looks like it may be a Wayland issue, as it seems to work with X for at least two people. 17:33:27 yeah this is definitely an x session and it's not working 17:33:28 meh 17:33:34 proposed #agreed 1367338 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this fails the 'basic functionality' part of "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." 17:33:37 ack 17:33:38 we don't need that last bit 17:34:06 ack 17:34:23 * satellit booting f25 wks now in wayland to test 17:34:26 ack 17:34:40 #agreed 1367338 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this fails the 'basic functionality' part of "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." 17:35:09 I have a clean F25 in VM running X now and it doesn't work. 17:35:12 #topic (1367780) nothing happens when I try to install a local rpm file in gnome-software 17:35:12 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367780 17:35:12 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-software, NEW 17:35:27 gnome-maps has been using openstreetmaps for as long as I can remember... 17:35:47 +1 blocker 17:35:53 gotta be able to install things 17:36:29 I tested this several times, didn't work at all except for one case, when I restarted packagekitd a few times and run it in the foreground and it magically started working. but couldn't repeat that 17:36:50 +1 blocker 17:37:06 +1 17:37:17 I pinged hughsie and kalev about this 17:37:21 mmmm...i'm kinda on the fence about whether this is 'basic functionality' 17:37:31 especially to the point we need to block the release on it (as opposed to fixing it with an update) 17:37:39 your mom doesn't use skype? 17:37:42 mine does 17:38:02 does she install it on live images? 17:38:05 but better example is probably 50% of fedora users who use google chrome 17:38:21 but i guess fair point 17:38:27 * satellit mouse and keyboard work on f25 efi boot workstation install in weather here 17:38:31 adamw: nope, but it probably will be the first app they will try to install after a fresh system install 17:38:59 also, rpmfusion 17:39:21 I think installing a local package is kinda basic isn't it? 17:39:26 jeez you people and your logic 17:39:27 fine 17:39:33 ;) 17:39:47 +1 blocker 17:39:55 There's what, 2 months before final? 17:40:04 proposed #agreed 1367780 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - we agreed that installing a local RPM constitutes 'basic functionality' for Software, thus this violates "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." 17:40:07 It'll get fixed 17:40:12 ack 17:40:14 ack 17:40:15 ack 17:40:15 ack 17:40:18 #agreed 1367780 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - we agreed that installing a local RPM constitutes 'basic functionality' for Software, thus this violates "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." 17:40:30 #topic (1340611) SELinux is preventing firewalld from 'write' accesses on the directory root. 17:40:30 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1340611 17:40:30 #info Proposed Blocker, selinux-policy, MODIFIED 17:40:42 cmurf: I have a better one up my sleeve, but for that, this basic bug needs to get fixed ;) 17:41:01 oh that's just teasting kparal 17:41:06 teasing rather 17:41:16 sure, fine, +1 17:41:19 pretty much +1 blocker on all the selinux bugs 17:41:23 +1 17:41:27 i'm hitting them also, I get notifications for them in gnome-shell 17:41:30 well, assuming they actually show up on all boots/installs 17:41:36 but i trust kparal 17:41:44 they show up on lives and as installed in VMs 17:41:53 +1 blocker 17:42:06 proposed #agreed 1340611 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:42:07 I ran a default installation and then reporting everything that popped up 17:42:11 *reported 17:42:20 ack 17:42:23 ack 17:42:28 what you're saying you don't trust me? Just because I filed a bunch of selinux bugs as blockers last cycle even though they didn't trigger setroubleshooter? 17:43:00 not *only* that. ;) 17:43:02 (in my defense that was an setroubleshooter bug) 17:43:29 one more ack? 17:43:32 ack 17:44:02 ack 17:44:12 ok i gotta go, I'm still +1 blocker on the other two selinux bugs 17:44:18 * cmurf waves 17:44:52 thanks....oh. 17:44:56 #agreed 1340611 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:45:07 #topic (1367280) SELinux is preventing systemd from 'getattr' accesses on the blk_file /run/systemd/inaccessible/blk. 17:45:07 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367280 17:45:07 #info Proposed Blocker, selinux-policy, ASSIGNED 17:45:09 +1, sure, same 17:45:12 +1 17:45:19 +1 17:45:27 proposed #agreed 1367280 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:45:32 ack 17:46:08 ack 17:46:44 ack 17:46:49 ack 17:47:36 #agreed 1367280 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:47:38 ok, one more 17:47:44 #topic (1367292) SELinux is preventing (ostnamed) from 'mounton' accesses on the directory /dev. 17:47:44 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367292 17:47:44 #info Proposed Blocker, selinux-policy, ASSIGNED 17:47:47 aaand one more +1` 17:47:50 +1 17:47:55 +1 17:47:57 proposed #agreed 1367292 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:47:59 heh 17:48:00 ack 17:48:04 ack 17:48:13 ack 17:48:35 #agreed 1367292 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - clear violation of "There must be no SELinux denial notifications or crash notifications on boot of or during installation from a release-blocking live image, or at first login after a default install of a release-blocking desktop." 17:48:44 alright, everyone put away your rubber stamp now :P 17:49:05 ack 17:49:22 ^H^H^H 17:51:12 hehe 17:51:13 alrighty 17:51:16 #topic Open floor 17:51:19 so I think that's everything 17:51:23 any other business, concerns, missed bugs? 17:51:45 nothing here 17:51:52 i did get weather app to work in wayland install wks f25 17:52:33 but I plan to propose https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1344643 once I can test it on F25 (once the gnome-software starts installing packages) 17:52:33 * satellit efi 17:53:23 hmm, I guess I could work around it just by using pkcon directly. will try that. 17:53:23 kparal: for final? 17:53:26 adamw: yeah 17:53:29 kk 17:53:59 I am going to take a lunch right after we finish here, so allow an hour or two for the changes to be made to Bugzilla and show up on the blocker bugs page. 17:54:17 .fire coremodule NOT ACCEPTABLE 17:54:17 adamw fires coremodule NOT ACCEPTABLE 17:54:28 nutrition is for the weak 17:54:39 Hah! Consider me the weakest of the weak... 17:55:42 alrighty, thanks for coming everyone 17:55:50 hopefully we'll get alpha composed and shipped this week 17:55:58 * striker claps 17:56:01 * adamw sets fuse 17:57:59 Thanks for hosting adamw. 17:58:18 thanks for secretarializing (srsly) 17:58:19 #endmeeting