16:00:40 <adamw> #startmeeting F28-blocker-review
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16:00:40 <adamw> #meetingname F28-blocker-review
16:00:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f28-blocker-review'
16:00:40 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
16:00:48 <adamw> hi (again) folks, who's around for some fun Final blocker review?
16:01:24 * lruzicka is here
16:01:43 * satellit listening
16:02:05 * Southern_Gentlem 
16:02:22 * coremodule is here, ready for secretarialization duties!
16:02:23 * sumantrom[m] is here
16:02:33 <frantisekz> .hello2
16:02:34 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
16:03:14 <adamw> #chair coremodule southern_gentlem
16:03:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw coremodule southern_gentlem
16:03:15 <sumantrom[m]> Hii frantisekz
16:03:31 <lruzicka> Hello, everybody
16:03:51 <frantisekz> Hi :)
16:06:43 <adamw> welcome everyone
16:06:52 <adamw> #topic Introduction
16:06:53 <adamw> Why are we here?
16:06:53 <adamw> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
16:06:53 <adamw> #info We'll be following the process outlined at:
16:06:54 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
16:06:54 <adamw> #info The bugs up for review today are available at:
16:06:56 <adamw> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
16:06:58 <adamw> #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
16:07:00 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
16:07:04 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Beta_Release_Criteria
16:07:06 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Final_Release_Criteria
16:07:08 <adamw> we have:
16:07:19 <adamw> #info 4 Proposed Blockers
16:07:22 <adamw> #info 6 Accepted Blockers
16:07:26 <adamw> #info 3 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
16:07:29 <adamw> (all for Final, of course)
16:07:35 <adamw> #info coremodule will secretarialize
16:07:44 <adamw> so, let's start with proposed blockers!
16:07:50 <adamw> #topic (1537253) Add-On Modularity
16:07:50 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1537253
16:07:50 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, Changes Tracking, ON_QA
16:08:08 <adamw> this is the Modularity change bug, as for Beta, we can use it to track FESCo's requirements for Modularity for final
16:08:15 <adamw> i'd say we should just accept it on that basis, so +1
16:08:41 <lruzicka> +1 too
16:09:23 <frantisekz> +1
16:09:55 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:09:59 <coremodule> +1 here
16:10:53 <sumantrom[m]> +1
16:11:42 <adamw> okey dokey
16:12:23 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1537253 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - we accept this as a Final blocker in line with FESCo's decision that the Change as a whole blocks F28. We will use the bug to check that whatever criteria FESCo decides on for Final are met.
16:12:33 <coremodule> ack
16:12:39 <lruzicka> ack
16:13:05 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:13:10 <sumantrom[m]> Ack
16:13:41 <adamw> #agreed 1537253 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - we accept this as a Final blocker in line with FESCo's decision that the Change as a whole blocks F28. We will use the bug to check that whatever criteria FESCo decides on for Final are met.
16:13:47 <adamw> #topic (1561768) Requires python-smbios, which doesn't exist
16:13:47 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1561768
16:13:47 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, firmware-addon-dell, NEW
16:14:03 <coremodule> +1
16:14:46 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:15:10 <lruzicka> +1
16:15:13 <frantisekz> +1
16:15:30 <adamw> yeah, I'm +1 on the bug in general, of course removing it from the DVD would be a sufficient fix
16:15:45 <Southern_Gentlem> adamw,  thats the way i feel as well
16:15:52 <lruzicka> adamw: You mean removing the dell package?
16:15:59 <adamw> lruzicka: yeah
16:16:07 <adamw> i suspect it's actually no use any more, anyway
16:16:28 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1561768 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a violation of "There must be no errors in any package on the release-blocking images which cause the package to fail to install". We note that removing the package from the DVD would be a sufficient fix.
16:16:58 <coremodule> Ack
16:16:59 <lruzicka> ack
16:17:10 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:17:42 <frantisekz> ack
16:17:42 <adamw> #agreed 1561768 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a violation of "There must be no errors in any package on the release-blocking images which cause the package to fail to install". We note that removing the package from the DVD would be a sufficient fix.
16:17:50 <adamw> #topic (1561864) Keyboard layout selected during anaconda is ignored
16:17:50 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1561864
16:17:50 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, ON_QA
16:18:19 <coremodule> +1
16:18:22 <lruzicka> +1
16:19:11 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:20:02 <frantisekz> +1
16:20:21 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1561864 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a violation of "If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that keyboard layout must be used: ...  When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking desktop" (and other points)
16:20:25 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:20:28 <coremodule> Ack
16:20:32 <lruzicka> ack
16:20:35 <frantisekz> ack
16:20:55 <adamw> #agreed 1561864 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a violation of "If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that keyboard layout must be used: ...  When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking desktop" (and other points)
16:21:05 <adamw> #topic (1555292) Fedora Workstation Live can't resume after suspend when booted from DVD connected via an external drive
16:21:05 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1555292
16:21:05 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW
16:21:35 <lruzicka> +1
16:21:40 <satellit> +1
16:22:01 <frantisekz> I've posted call for testing just now, I'd vote for punt, so we'll have more data
16:22:36 <Southern_Gentlem> too many factors here to just say +1
16:22:45 <coremodule> I like the idea of punting for data, I'll help to test it
16:22:55 <Southern_Gentlem> punt
16:23:09 <adamw> yeah, we still kinda need the data we wanted here
16:23:21 <adamw> if folks could test on systems available to them and report back to the bug and/or the list that'd be great
16:23:40 <coremodule> +1 punt
16:23:47 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 punt
16:24:10 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1555292 - punt (delay decision) - we are still gathering data on this one, will make a decision once we have more information
16:24:18 <coremodule> Ack
16:24:20 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:24:22 <lruzicka> ack
16:24:22 <frantisekz> ack, and sorry for delayed call for testing, I should've done this earlier instead of putting it on my "todo" list :/
16:25:58 <adamw> npnp
16:26:02 <adamw> #agreed 1555292 - punt (delay decision) - we are still gathering data on this one, will make a decision once we have more information
16:26:08 <Southern_Gentlem> now thinking about this why would suspend even work if booted from read only device
16:26:54 <adamw> Southern_Gentlem: suspending just powers the system off but leaves RAM powered
16:27:00 <frantisekz> suspend doesn't need to write anything to the device it had booted from if I am not mistaken, and if it does, it goes to ram anyway
16:27:00 <adamw> so on resume the state is still present in RAM
16:27:11 <adamw> it doesn't write anything anywhere
16:27:21 <adamw> but let's just gather some data and see...
16:27:28 <adamw> #info moving onto proposed freeze exceptions
16:27:30 <adamw> #topic (1561853) Update check / install requires authentication on FAW 28
16:27:30 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1561853
16:27:30 <adamw> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, fedora-release, POST
16:27:35 <Southern_Gentlem> ok i am getting suspend and hybernate mixed up
16:27:38 <adamw> note, we're on proposed FEs now
16:27:43 <adamw> yeah, hibernation is never blocking
16:28:03 <frantisekz> +1 FE
16:28:22 <Southern_Gentlem> +1FE
16:28:47 <lruzicka> +1 FE
16:29:59 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1561853 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this affects polish of first boot on FAW installs and cannot be fixed with an update, thus it's worth a freeze exception
16:30:04 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:30:15 <frantisekz> ack
16:30:21 <lruzicka> ack
16:33:04 <adamw> #agreed 1561853 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this affects polish of first boot on FAW installs and cannot be fixed with an update, thus it's worth a freeze exception
16:33:13 <adamw> #topic (1552668) Gnome:  ibus  input methods are active  on the screen locker password input
16:33:13 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552668
16:33:13 <adamw> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, mutter, NEW
16:34:45 <adamw> definitely +1 FE
16:34:49 <lruzicka> I would say +1 FE
16:35:06 <Southern_Gentlem> +1fe
16:35:08 <frantisekz> +1 FE
16:35:51 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1552668 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is clearly incorrect for input method-based languages and can affect authentication on first boot after install, so it deserves an FE
16:35:57 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:36:04 <frantisekz> ack
16:36:07 <lruzicka> ack
16:36:24 <adamw> #agreed 1552668 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is clearly incorrect for input method-based languages and can affect authentication on first boot after install, so it deserves an FE
16:36:32 <adamw> #topic (1561730) Import PKCS#12 file into dogtag sqlite database fails
16:36:32 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1561730
16:36:32 <adamw> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, nss, NEW
16:36:59 <adamw> i'm actually -1 FE on this as it can be fully fixed with an upadte
16:37:09 <adamw> there's just no benefit to shipping a fix on the media really
16:37:24 <adamw> i mean, the worst that happens is someone tries without updating and hits an error, in which case, update...
16:37:35 <adamw> (i know i proposed it, but then, i'm an idiot. :>)
16:37:36 <Southern_Gentlem> _1FE
16:37:41 <Southern_Gentlem> -1FE
16:37:49 <coremodule> thats a good point
16:37:56 <coremodule> that it can be fixed with an update
16:38:02 <coremodule> not the idiot part
16:38:38 <coremodule> -1 fE
16:38:46 <lruzicka> Well, if the fix is just an update ... -1 FE
16:39:23 <adamw> listen to me, not that idiot me from last week
16:39:23 <adamw> :P
16:40:11 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1561730 - RejectedFreezeException (Final) - this can be fixed sufficiently with an update, most Server users will update before attempting replication, and can easily update if replication fails
16:40:16 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:40:22 <lruzicka> ack
16:40:30 <coremodule> ack
16:40:47 <frantisekz> ack
16:41:09 <adamw> #agreed 1561730 - RejectedFreezeException (Final) - this can be fixed sufficiently with an update, most Server users will update before attempting replication, and can easily update if replication fails
16:41:31 <adamw> alrighty, that's all the proposals
16:41:42 <adamw> let's do a quick check-in on accepted blockers to make sure they're all moving along
16:41:48 <adamw> #info moving onto accepted blockers
16:41:57 <adamw> #info we are not re-voting on these, just checking the status of fixes
16:42:02 <adamw> #topic (1558027) The network.service failed LSB in Fedora Cloud.
16:42:03 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1558027
16:42:03 <adamw> #info Accepted Blocker, distribution, ON_QA
16:42:21 <adamw> this was actually fixed in Beta, I believe.
16:42:37 <adamw> #info this was fixed from both ends in Beta, so we can close it.
16:43:30 <adamw> closed.
16:43:36 <adamw> #topic (1560738) procps-ng update fails with file conflicts
16:43:36 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1560738
16:43:36 <adamw> #info Accepted Blocker, man-pages-pl, ON_QA
16:45:50 <adamw> #info an update for this is in-flight, should be resolved soon
16:46:00 <adamw> #topic (1556132) ppp: FTBFS in F28; DES code needs to be ported to OpenSSL
16:46:00 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1556132
16:46:00 <adamw> #info Accepted Blocker, ppp, ON_QA
16:46:26 <adamw> #info again, an update for this is pending, just needs karma
16:46:42 <adamw> #topic (1557472) Anaconda installing in text mode fails to report errors to Bugzilla.
16:46:42 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1557472
16:46:42 <adamw> #info Accepted Blocker, python-simpleline, ASSIGNED
16:47:54 <adamw> this hasn't been touched for a couple of weeks, we should probably ping jiri
16:48:02 <adamw> #action adamw to poke jiri about the fix for this one
16:48:46 <adamw> #topic (1518032) dnfdragora notifies of available updates in Plasma live session
16:48:46 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518032
16:48:46 <adamw> #info Accepted Blocker, spin-kickstarts, ASSIGNED
16:49:45 <adamw> hmm, this one is old, i think we fixed it.
16:50:01 <sumantro> this is fixed
16:50:05 <adamw> yeah, we fixed the same bug earlier this cycle, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1554550
16:50:19 <adamw> #info This is currently working correctly, per https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1554550 and openqa testing: will close bug
16:50:58 <adamw> #topic (1557655) FCoE install fails to boot, stops at "Failed to start udev Wait for Complete Device Initialization"
16:50:58 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1557655
16:50:58 <adamw> #info Accepted Blocker, systemd, NEW
16:51:48 <adamw> so this one seems a bit stuck, i think we need to find someone who can help fix it
16:52:56 <adamw> hm, and this may actually be more to do with the RAID device and less to do with FCoE...
16:53:21 <adamw> #action adamw to see if lili can test FCoE without the HPSA storage issue, and try to move the bug along
16:53:41 <adamw> any other notes on this?
16:54:08 <coremodule> nothing here, wish I had some hardware to test on
16:54:36 <lruzicka> I think we cannot test it, either, we only have one firmware raid
16:55:55 <adamw> FCoE is a pain, yeah.
16:56:00 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:56:04 <adamw> alrighty, that's all the bugs on the list
16:56:11 <adamw> any other things to discuss, or are we done? :)
16:57:57 <frantisekz> I guess we're done , I love these quick meetings :)
16:58:07 <adamw> yaay
16:58:08 <coremodule> Was that the fastest blocker review meeting in recent history or what?!
16:58:09 <adamw> me too
16:58:16 <lruzicka> I don't have a topic to discuss. :)
16:58:20 <adamw> thanks for coming, everyone!
16:58:24 <adamw> let's get it in under one hour ;)
16:58:26 <adamw> #endmeeting