16:00:59 #startmeeting F29-blocker-review 16:00:59 Meeting started Mon Oct 1 16:00:59 2018 UTC. 16:00:59 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:59 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:59 The meeting name has been set to 'f29-blocker-review' 16:01:00 #meetingname F29-blocker-review 16:01:00 #topic Roll Call 16:01:00 The meeting name has been set to 'f29-blocker-review' 16:01:05 .hello2 16:01:06 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 16:01:09 morning folks, who's around for some lovely blocker review? 16:01:28 * pwhalen is here 16:02:02 hi pwhalen 16:02:35 * coremodule is here. On secretary duty! 16:03:17 hi coremodule 16:03:31 Good morning adamw 16:03:46 good afternoon adamw :) 16:04:04 ..and all the other fine folks here today 16:04:04 * jlanda is lurking around 16:06:26 nirik: sgallagh: mattdm: mboddu: pingles 16:06:41 * lbrabec is here 16:06:42 Sorry, can't do it today. 16:07:26 dangit, my glue trap failed? 16:11:05 hi bowlofeggs 16:11:11 welp, looks like we have a few folks anyway, let's get rolling 16:11:19 #chair pwhalen coremodule 16:11:19 Current chairs: adamw coremodule pwhalen 16:11:20 heyo 16:11:25 adamw: I can join, but in 15 min 16:11:26 .hello2 16:11:26 #topic Introduction 16:11:26 Why are we here? 16:11:26 bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' 16:11:27 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:11:27 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:11:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:11:30 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:11:32 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:11:34 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:11:36 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 16:11:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:11:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Final_Release_Criteria 16:11:42 mboddu: roger 16:14:00 we have: 16:14:08 #info 7 Proposed Blockers 16:14:08 #info 9 Accepted Blockers 16:14:11 #info 1 Accepted Previous Release Blockers 16:14:11 #info 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions 16:14:18 let's start with proposed blockers! 16:14:27 #info starting with proposed blockers 16:14:30 #topic (1632656) The installer failed to use the iscsi target if authentication is set 16:14:31 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632656 16:14:31 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED 16:17:14 according to the basic criteria, only "locally connected storage interfaces" are blockers if i'm reading this right 16:17:33 i confess i haven't read all of the criteria, so please let me know if there's one about remote interfaces 16:18:10 no, there is one. 16:18:12 +1 blocker, seems clear to me per this: 16:18:13 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Final_Release_Criteria#Network_attached_storage 16:18:21 "The installer must be able to detect (if possible) and install to supported network-attached storage devices." 16:18:39 the question here, I guess, is whether we block on auth 16:18:42 it works without authentication 16:18:47 the criterion doesn't specify either way. 16:19:04 ah yeah that's interesting 16:19:22 seems like you'd probably normally want to use auth, but if the criteria don't specify i guess that's a technicality 16:19:23 probably in real life auth is pretty typically used with iscsi, so i guess i'd incline towards blocking 16:19:23 my thought would be without user interaction to disable auth 16:19:30 (and maybe we should enhance the openQA test to test this...) 16:20:30 ah "network attached storage" doesn't appear in the basic page, but does appear in the f29 page 16:20:48 i'd +1 blocking on that since i'd consider that the "normal" use case 16:20:55 the unauth'd use i'd call unusual 16:21:05 +1 blocker 16:23:12 bowlofeggs: it's a Final criterion 16:23:14 ok 16:24:06 proposed #agreed 1632656 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of Final criterion "The installer must be able to detect (if possible) and install to supported network-attached storage devices" - the criterion does not explicitly say whether auth is blocking, but we believe it is sufficiently commonly used in the real world that we should accept the bug 16:24:11 ack 16:24:28 ack 16:24:40 ack 16:25:19 ack 16:25:39 ack 16:26:49 #agreed 1632656 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of Final criterion "The installer must be able to detect (if possible) and install to supported network-attached storage devices" - the criterion does not explicitly say whether auth is blocking, but we believe it is sufficiently commonly used in the real world that we should accept the bug 16:27:01 #topic (1625645) selinux prevents loading of anything inside /etc/cron.d 16:27:01 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625645 16:27:01 #info Proposed Blocker, cronie, ASSIGNED 16:27:05 sooo, where'd we leave this one 16:27:27 i still don't see a criteria proposal 16:27:33 lbrabec: pwhalen: has kamil said anything about proposing one? 16:27:52 er 16:27:56 i didn't mean pwhalen 16:28:01 i meant frantisekz :P 16:28:14 ok, good, I had no idea :) 16:29:06 we didn't talk about that too much just yet, I think he would prefer to have some criteria about that... 16:29:24 ok, well 16:29:29 but he didn't seem to want to actually write one :P :D 16:29:29 it's been sitting on the list for weeks 16:29:39 i think we can reject it for now, but with the option to revisit if a criteria gets written 16:29:57 i'm certainly willing to +1 FE it though, just to ensure we can get a fix in if one shows up during freeze, selinux fixes are usually safe 16:30:13 +1 FE 16:30:15 sure, seems like the best way for now, +1 FE lgtm, it wouldn't be forgotten at least 16:31:10 yep, +1 FE 16:31:48 proposed #agreed 1625645 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected for now as it does not appear to violate any specific criterion, but it could be revisited if one is proposed. We accept it as a freeze exception issue as it'd obviously be for the best if this can be fixed as promptly as possible, and SELinux policy fixes are usually safe 16:32:07 ack 16:32:23 so no FE then? 16:32:36 ack 16:32:59 oh sorry 16:33:00 good point 16:33:09 proposed #agreed 1625645 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is rejected for now as it does not appear to violate any specific criterion, but it could be revisited if one is proposed. We accept it as a freeze exception issue as it'd obviously be for the best if this can be fixed as promptly as possible, and SELinux policy fixes are usually safe 16:33:15 ack 16:33:27 lbrabec++ for correct proposal review 16:33:27 adamw: Karma for lbrabec changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:33:49 ack 16:33:52 ack 16:33:54 ack 16:33:59 oh hey, btw, i'm gonna have to run out in about 40 mins or so 16:33:59 lbrabec++ saved the day! 16:33:59 frantisekz: Karma for lbrabec changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:34:03 ack 16:34:06 so if we're still going, i'll need someone to take over 16:34:08 just a heads-up 16:34:13 #agreed 1625645 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is rejected for now as it does not appear to violate any specific criterion, but it could be revisited if one is proposed. We accept it as a freeze exception issue as it'd obviously be for the best if this can be fixed as promptly as possible, and SELinux policy fixes are usually safe 16:34:22 #topic (1631002) gnome-control-center stuck and starts consume memory abnormally if I try to change the background or lock screen image. 16:34:22 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1631002 16:34:22 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-control-center, NEW 16:34:55 so someone mentioned in QA meeting today they couldn't reproduce this 16:35:06 nop here, woprking weel on my tests. I can't either reproduce the big Pictures/ issue :S 16:35:46 with that i'm kinda inclined to reject 16:36:07 i don't know what criteria this would violate anyway 16:36:18 oh, you're faster than my 4g reconnecting 16:36:20 if this is a real bug i'd +1 an FE but wouldn't consider it a blocker 16:36:36 i was writing that when I went 16:36:42 inside a tunnel ;) 16:36:43 seems very specific, and even then it sounds like gnome-control-center *does* indeed change the wallpaper, just with a memory leak... 16:36:46 bowlofeggs: either the app 'basic functionality' criterion or the panel functionality one i guess 16:36:55 -1 blocker 16:37:06 proposal reads " because changing background is a basic functionality of gnome-control center" 16:37:12 ah 16:37:25 that's referring to final criterion "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." 16:37:29 but not being able to reproduce it makes me -1 anyway 16:37:46 -1 Blocker 16:37:48 I'd still be -1 on the grounds that it still withstands the functionality test, it's just wasting resources. 16:37:59 sgallagh: hey you're not even supposed to *be* here today 16:38:00 ;) 16:38:02 So it's irritating, but not strictly violating it. 16:38:08 adamw: Found a few minutes 16:38:13 we can do further investigation, I can try to collect literally gbs of different photos for Pictures/ 16:38:22 the description does claim gcc gets 'stuck' 16:38:27 not quite clear exactly what he means by that 16:38:31 jlanda: sure, kick it a bit more 16:38:42 -1 here as well 16:38:54 adamw: Not impossible it's an I/O issue. 16:39:15 sure 16:39:29 i'm +-/0 on FE as we have no real idea what the bug or fix might be 16:39:37 m, I tryed with an nvme disk, do we now if the rwpoeter has mechanical disk? 16:39:38 i might be +1 for a simple fix but i'd be -1 for a complicated one 16:39:44 Yeah, I'd defer an FE decision for now 16:39:48 also you're not too likely to encounter it as described on a live image 16:40:04 so: 16:40:05 proposed #agreed 1631002 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - jlanda was not able to reproduce this, and it does not seem a serious or commonly-encountered enough issue to constitute a violation of the 'basic functionality' criterion. 16:40:12 if anyone wants an FE decision, speak now :P 16:40:12 ack 16:40:16 +1 16:40:16 ack 16:40:17 that could be a big difference on IO 16:40:17 s/rwpoeter/reporter 16:40:21 * mboddu is here now 16:40:24 jlanda: don't think we know 16:40:25 hi mboddu 16:40:44 ok, I'll try with an old 5.4k rpm disk :D 16:40:48 diligent :) 16:40:59 jlanda: I meant that it's possible they found a deadlock in btrfs or something 16:41:04 adamw: Hi, sorry for the delay :) 16:41:15 or busy-lock, rather 16:41:22 jlanda: ack/nack/patch? 16:41:34 ack 16:41:54 ack 16:41:56 ack 16:41:58 m, sorry if I need time to reply, I'm in the middle of a train travel ;) 16:42:12 ack 16:42:19 #agreed 1631002 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - jlanda was not able to reproduce this, and it does not seem a serious or commonly-encountered enough issue to constitute a violation of the 'basic functionality' criterion. 16:42:19 rgr 16:42:29 #topic (1625142) In Gnome Wayland, forward-key-event does not work well, breaks space key completely 16:42:29 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625142 16:42:29 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW 16:42:33 so, we have some more info on this one 16:43:01 per mfabian, it breaks the default Korean input method 16:43:27 it also breaks a non-default Vietnamese input method, and it breaks ibus-typing-booster. both of those are certainly things some folks will try and use. 16:44:28 with that this is really on the fence for me 16:45:07 having input be this broken on Workstation on a language we support is pretty bad, otoh, would it survive the "last blocker" test? 16:45:09 that does sound bad 16:45:33 it sounds worst that last week 16:45:35 don't forget that red star os is a downstream of fedora - we wouldn't want that to break 16:45:36 for reference, we are in a case of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Blocker_Bug_FAQ#What_about_hardware_and_local_configuration_dependent_issues.3F here 16:45:41 bowlofeggs: :P 16:45:51 this is one of those 'conditional blockers' 16:46:17 bowlofeggs: :D 16:46:39 i'd say it's a conditional violation of " A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop using a user account created during installation or a 'first boot' utility" in the affected language case (a desktop you can't type into usefully is not really a 'working' desktop)_ 16:46:40 * mboddu reading the criteria 16:46:43 adamw: This is defnitely nasty, but I agree: it probably wouldn't survive the "last blocker at Go/No-Go" test. 16:47:04 and i guess, technically, we can claim that Korean users could manage to install a post-release update without typing anything 16:47:05 +1 blocker 16:47:08 +1 blocker 16:47:13 though I know how that'd make me feel if i was korean. :P 16:47:22 yeah i would not like that 16:47:27 +1 blocker 16:48:07 -1 blocker 16:48:09 i speak a minorized language and l10n is a big plua for me in oss +1 blocker 16:48:19 adamw, regarding the gnome-control-center bug, i just tested it right now, but testing took longer longer than I expected and you already acked; I created 3333 copies of a wallpaper in ~/Pictures and while I had no issues with memory, control center froze and crashed after a while, can we punt it and I will properly test it tomorrow? 16:48:20 +1 PrioritizedBug 16:48:55 sgallagh, why not both 16:49:29 Southern_Gentlem: If we got to Go/No-Go and this was the only thing standing between us and release, I'd argue strongly against waiting for it 16:49:53 lbrabec: thanks, we can maybe circle back later 16:50:07 But I *do* think it's important, so we should escalate it through the PrioritizedBug process at least 16:50:36 i will agree to disagree with you 16:50:39 as a process note, this meeting can't decide on PrioritizedBug status, that's not our job. we could *propose* it as one, but then, sgallagh alone can propose it as one. :P 16:50:47 so we have +4 -1 and i didn't vote yet 16:50:49 right 16:51:20 If we don't come down in favor of blocker, I *will* make that proposal 16:52:07 I agree with sgallagh, it will be definitely shot down as a blocker if its the only blocker 16:52:19 So, +1 to proposing as a PrioritizedBug 16:52:21 mboddu: what would *your* vote be, though? 16:52:24 for blocker status 16:52:51 -1 Blocker for now, but definitely propose as a ProritizedBug 16:52:55 ok 16:52:57 so +4 / -2 16:52:59 i am really on the fence 16:52:59 -1 blocker 16:53:07 that's +3 / -3...:P 16:53:13 ahah 16:53:16 so 16:53:17 adamw: you have to decide now! 16:53:18 adamw: Thats why you should vote early :D 16:53:30 and often! 16:53:32 i'm gonna propose we should punt this again due to lack of clear consensus 16:53:36 i'm not a strong -1, but i think i choose to stay -1 for inclusivity reasons 16:53:46 fair enough 16:54:00 is everyone +1 FE for this? 16:54:01 adamw: Yeah, we can punt it and get back to it 16:54:02 i would be 16:54:08 if we get a fix during freeze we should definitely take it 16:54:10 if it were english that were broken, i presume we'd block 16:54:11 Yeah, +1 FE without hesitation 16:54:13 adamw, +1 FE 16:54:19 +1 FE 16:54:25 +1 fe 16:54:26 Definitely +1 FE 16:54:33 ok 16:56:09 proposed #agreed 1625142 punt (delay decision) on blocker status, AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - with the information that this breaks Korean but no other known case out of the box, we had a very split vote on this (~ +3/-3). we will delay the decision till a clearer consensus can be reached. We do grant freeze exception status, and will propose the bug as a PrioritizedBug 16:56:20 ack 16:56:24 ack 16:56:47 ack 16:56:54 ack 16:56:57 #agreed 1625142 punt (delay decision) on blocker status, AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - with the information that this breaks Korean but no other known case out of the box, we had a very split vote on this (~ +3/-3). we will delay the decision till a clearer consensus can be reached. We do grant freeze exception status, and will propose the bug as a PrioritizedBug 16:57:05 #topic (1626862) Broken Fedora/Windows dualboot 16:57:05 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1626862 16:57:05 #info Proposed Blocker, grub2, NEW 16:57:22 so, I got this from pjones today: 16:57:22 " https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1626862 I have no idea, but I'll go and see if we actually changed anything in that path" 16:57:41 pjones doesn't think this and 1634386 actually *are* the same 16:57:45 so we're still a bit unclear on this one 16:57:56 i'd incline either punt or -1 on currently-available info 16:58:58 I'd rather punt it, we don;t have any idea how many MBs or configurations could be affected 16:59:00 I have some info here 16:59:00 I would punt it rather than -1 it 16:59:02 without a reprocer i'm -1 16:59:07 ooo info 16:59:11 *reproducer 16:59:39 as a general note, remember decisions can always be revisited if new information emerges; a -1 is never final until the release goes out 16:59:48 I installed F29 Beta on a Windows system and after bootup, there was no entry for Windows in the bootloader 17:00:11 However! After a subsequent kernel upgrade, the grub entry for windows miraculously reappeared 17:00:22 oh that's weird 17:00:29 that sounds vaguely familiar. 17:00:30 sgallagh: Can you try it with recent f29 nightly? 17:00:44 Probably it got fixed and we can just close the bug 17:00:45 mboddu: Not at present. I'm about 1300 miles from that machine :-/ 17:00:46 hum, can't find a report, though. 17:01:07 adamw: I mentioned it in #fedora-qa at the time and someone suggested installing a kernel to fix it 17:01:27 I didn't report because I assumed that with that quick a reply, the fix was already known 17:01:30 how do you see that being relevant to this, though? 17:01:42 in this case it seems fedora didn't boot 17:01:50 Oh, hmm. I may have misread this. 17:02:14 I thought it "skipped" grub because there was only the Fedora option on the list 17:02:26 Maybe that's not the same issue then 17:02:39 Sorry 17:02:39 my UEFI somehow tries to boot something even if only Fedora is enabled 17:02:59 * sgallagh has to disappear again 17:03:03 cya sgallagh 17:03:08 thanks for stopping by 17:03:28 so we have a couple votes for punt, one for -1, i'm ok with either 17:03:30 any other votes? 17:03:57 +1 punt 17:04:03 +1 punt 17:04:06 ok 17:04:17 i'm fine with punting too 17:04:27 +1 Punt 17:04:36 i just don't see a reason to say it's a blocker at this time since there isn't a reproducer 17:04:51 proposed #agreed 1626862 - punt (delay decision) - it is still not clear exactly what is going on in this case and we do not have sufficient info to make a blocker decision yet. we ask frantisekz and pjones to try and get more info on what's going on here 17:05:02 ack 17:05:03 ack 17:05:04 ack 17:05:07 bowlofeggs: well, i mean, there *is* a reproducer: go try frantisek's system 17:05:08 ack 17:05:13 bowlofeggs: it reproduces every time on that. :P 17:05:18 adamw: heh, i suppose that's true ☺ 17:05:18 bowlofeggs: Well, I guess its hardware specific 17:05:24 #agreed 1626862 - punt (delay decision) - it is still not clear exactly what is going on in this case and we do not have sufficient info to make a blocker decision yet. we ask frantisekz and pjones to try and get more info on what's going on here 17:05:25 i guess i mean independent reproducer 17:05:39 bowlofeggs: unfortunately not uncommon with bootloader stuff :( 17:05:50 #topic (1634386) Even cannot reach grub menu but show recovery blue screen 17:05:51 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1634386 17:05:51 #info Proposed Blocker, grub2, NEW 17:05:52 yeah 17:06:05 this is another bootloader / dual-boot-y issue, but pjones thinks this one comes down to the presence of two ESPs. 17:06:07 alright, i need to take off, sorry i can't stick the meeting out :/ 17:06:27 looks like *probably* user error, but *possibly* we need a new efivar build because we've built a boot variable wrong 17:06:27 also anaconda probably shouldn't be letting you partition that way, but that's neither here nor there 17:08:44 +1 punt 17:08:51 +1 punt 17:09:07 +1 punt 17:09:20 +1 Punt, need more info 17:09:32 +1 punt 17:09:34 yeah, we at least have an avenue to investigate here, but need more info 17:10:28 proposed #agreed 1634386 - punt (delay decision) - we are homing in on what's going on in this case (likely to do with multiple ESPs), but still need a bit more info to determine how significant it's likely to be. we will try to reproduce this independently and investigate further 17:10:41 ack 17:10:43 ack 17:11:26 any mor acks? 17:11:55 meh 17:11:58 #agreed 1634386 - punt (delay decision) - we are homing in on what's going on in this case (likely to do with multiple ESPs), but still need a bit more info to determine how significant it's likely to be. we will try to reproduce this independently and investigate further 17:11:59 #topic (1630943) laptop with lid closed and external monitor can't log in to wayland session 17:11:59 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630943 17:11:59 #info Proposed Blocker, mutter, POST 17:12:02 ok, with that i have to run out 17:12:05 this is the last proposed blocker 17:12:08 can someone take over from here? 17:16:25 adamw: I can run the irc part, but I dont know if anything needs to be done after the meeting ended 17:18:28 mboddu, coremodule volunteered as secretary 17:18:55 mboddu: Okay, thanks 17:20:59 mboddu++ 17:20:59 jlanda: Karma for mohanboddu changed to 15 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:21:14 and it seems that adamw is really afk 17:21:18 mboddu++ 17:21:20 lbrabec: Karma for mohanboddu changed to 16 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:22:41 So, coremodule will take care of the stuff that happens after the meeting? 17:24:24 Anyway, any votes on this? This seems definitely like a blocker 17:25:04 -1 Blocker, +1 FE as it looks for me 17:25:13 or whatever :D 17:26:16 -1 blocker +1 fe 17:26:20 Also, it seems there is a fix for it 17:26:34 -1 blocker, +1 fe 17:27:45 Okay, that is +3 FE, but I thought its a blocker based on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630943#c7 17:28:46 i'd be +1 blocker if it affected not only laptops with closed lid :/ 17:29:13 has anyone reproduced this? 17:31:21 I haven't, I think I will try it and update the ticket later today 17:33:20 so that sounds like punt :) 17:33:22 +1 fe then, if its happening more often we can reclassify 17:33:32 Okay, lets go with FE then 17:35:24 agreed 1630943 - Proposed Freeze Exception - Since its affecting only laptops with closed it we consider it as a Freeze Exception, if its happening more often then we will reclassify 17:36:13 mboddu, i think you need to add "proposed" at the beginning 17:36:24 and # before agreed 17:36:25 proposed #agreed 1630943 - Proposed Freeze Exception - Since its affecting only laptops with closed lid we consider it as a Freeze Exception, if its happening more often then we will reclassify 17:36:27 yep 17:36:28 ack 17:36:33 ack 17:36:34 frantisekz: Yup, got it :) 17:36:46 mboddu++ :) :D 17:36:47 frantisekz: Karma for mohanboddu changed to 17 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:37:24 any more acks? 17:37:31 ack 17:37:51 #agreed 1630943 - Proposed Freeze Exception - Since its affecting only laptops with closed lid we consider it as a Freeze Exception, if its happening more often then we will reclassify 17:38:06 Okay, thats it then 17:38:37 Thank you all for joining 17:38:53 thank you for leading it for a while! 17:39:41 frantisekz: :) 17:39:46 #endmeeting 17:40:02 oh 17:40:08 you are not a chair it seems 17:40:17 frantisekz: Yes, someone has to end it 17:40:28 * mboddu checking who are all the chairs 17:40:34 pwhalen, are you here? 17:40:56 I think its only adamw 17:40:57 frantisekz, I am 17:41:04 can you #endmeeting? 17:41:06 #endmeeting