16:00:55 #startmeeting F35-blocker-review 16:00:55 Meeting started Mon Oct 11 16:00:55 2021 UTC. 16:00:55 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:55 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 16:00:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:55 The meeting name has been set to 'f35-blocker-review' 16:00:56 lruzicka2: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 16:01:03 #meetingname F35-blocker-review 16:01:03 The meeting name has been set to 'f35-blocker-review' 16:01:07 #topic Roll Call 16:01:50 morning folks, who's around for blocker review fun? 16:02:08 we are, we are, our king and master 16:02:20 * coremodule is here, your willing secretary. 16:02:31 *willing to act as secretary 16:02:48 first way sounded weird 16:03:47 no i like it better that way 16:03:58 well fine then 16:06:08 aaanybody else 16:08:36 welp, let's get rolling and see how it goes 16:08:51 #chair cmoremodule frantisekz 16:08:51 Current chairs: adamw cmoremodule frantisekz 16:08:55 grr 16:09:07 #chair coremodule 16:09:07 Current chairs: adamw cmoremodule coremodule frantisekz 16:09:08 #unchair cmoremodule 16:09:08 Current chairs: adamw coremodule frantisekz 16:09:19 #topic Introduction 16:09:23 Why are we here? 16:09:23 we do not see more modules 16:09:29 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:09:34 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:09:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:09:44 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:09:48 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:09:52 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:09:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 16:10:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:10:05 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria 16:10:08 #info for Final, we have: 16:10:15 #info 7 Proposed Blockers 16:10:20 #info 12 Accepted Blockers 16:10:23 #info 8 Accepted Freeze Exceptions 16:10:35 #info coremodule will secretarialize 16:10:40 #topic Proposed Final blockers 16:10:51 #topic (2009460) It's impossible to take a screenshot on Wayland with GNOME 41 16:10:54 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2009460 16:11:00 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/526 16:11:04 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW 16:11:07 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-3) (+lruzicka, -catanzaro, -kparal, -frantisekz) 16:11:35 (it seems lruzicka mixed up screenshot shortcuts a bit, see the bz discussion/last kparal's comment) 16:11:43 its bad, it breaks basic functionality, but I can't see us actually blocking the release on it 16:11:46 lruzicka2: according to kparal, you...yeah 16:11:57 i'm -1, do you want to change your vote, lruzicka? 16:12:18 wait a moment 16:12:42 I'm -1 blocker 16:13:00 I cannot take a screenshot using Ctrl-Shift-Print, is that ok? 16:13:07 or are you not seeing it? 16:14:00 because I am using this combo quite a lot and was surprised it did not work, therefore I was +1 on this one 16:14:16 on the other hand, everything else worked for me 16:15:01 it looks like perhaps they changed the shortcut? 16:15:18 oh my, let me see, I am now reading kparal's comment 16:15:40 yeah, my list of shortcut keys is the same as kamil's 16:15:53 I am taking it back, mea culpa 16:16:02 shift+prtsc saves screenshot of an area to Pictures, ctrl+shift+prtsc sends it to clipboard 16:16:02 it works as kamil has described 16:16:11 even better, it's not actually broken 16:16:14 -1 FB then 16:17:09 -1 blocker 16:17:27 proposed #agreed 2009460 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - multiple testers found no bugs in basic functionality here, screenshot taking generally works as intended via shortcuts and in the app launched from the overview 16:17:46 ack 16:18:19 ack 16:19:48 any more acks? 16:19:52 frantisekz, we need acks 16:19:58 axe 16:20:05 ack 16:20:16 #agreed 2009460 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - multiple testers found no bugs in basic functionality here, screenshot taking generally works as intended via shortcuts and in the app launched from the overview 16:20:29 #topic (2012817) missing Source drop-down in gnome-software -> not allowing to uninstall applications, misleading users 16:20:33 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2012817 16:20:37 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/529 16:20:41 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-software, NEW 16:20:44 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-1) (-frantisekz) 16:21:39 based on the discussion, I'm -1 FinalBlocker 16:21:42 also.. hi :) 16:21:47 .hello ngompa 16:21:48 Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' 16:22:10 yeah, same as conan, per milan's feedback in the bug i'm -1 blocker 16:22:35 -1 blocker 16:22:39 seems like this could be fixed in the app metadata as well... 16:22:53 -1 blocker 16:23:21 well, I spotted this for Homebank which is an RPM and Fedora App, but yeah, it could have bad metadata. 16:23:44 Fedora -> Fedora Flatpak 16:24:32 I am actually not sure whether I should support -1, but I will keep silent and sit in the corner. 16:24:37 lruzicka2: the bug report decision says it's likely specific to homebank 16:24:57 there is something about homebank's metadata which makes software not realize the rpm and flatpak are the same app 16:25:04 s/decision/discussion/ 16:25:34 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/-/issues/1490#note_1287432 16:25:35 ok, it seems so 16:27:47 let make it a passer then, -1 16:27:59 ok 16:29:06 proposed #agreed 2012817 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - per discussion in the bug reports downstream and upstream the problems here seem to be triggered by specific qualtiies of Homebank's flatpak metadata, thus they're not really broad enough to count as basic functionality failures (and can be fixed outside of Fedora, in the metadata) 16:29:18 ack 16:29:24 ack 16:29:28 ack 16:29:43 ack 16:29:47 #agreed 2012817 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - per discussion in the bug reports downstream and upstream the problems here seem to be triggered by specific qualtiies of Homebank's flatpak metadata, thus they're not really broad enough to count as basic functionality failures (and can be fixed outside of Fedora, in the metadata) 16:30:14 #topic (2012863) Gnome Software does not refresh after installation from RPM. 16:30:15 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2012863 16:30:15 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/530 16:30:15 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-software, NEW 16:30:45 cosmetic glitch 16:31:08 yeah, i think this is probably not serious enough to count as 'basic functionality' really 16:31:13 not only is this pretty much cosmetic IMO, it also didn't happen on my system 16:31:17 -1 FinalBlocker 16:31:56 -1 fb 16:32:06 -1 fb 16:32:15 -1 blocker 16:34:10 -1 blocker 16:34:16 proposed #agreed 2012863 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - as no practical consequences of this have been identified, we agreed it's not really significant enough to count as a failure of "basic functionality", and so it does not meet the blocker criteria 16:34:25 ack 16:34:45 ack 16:34:51 ack 16:34:52 ack 16:35:18 #agreed 2012863 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - as no practical consequences of this have been identified, we agreed it's not really significant enough to count as a failure of "basic functionality", and so it does not meet the blocker criteria 16:35:30 #topic (2011928) Fedora 35 aarch64 cloud image based openstack VM hangs 16:35:33 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2011928 16:35:36 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/525 16:35:40 #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW 16:35:43 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-0) (+bcotton) 16:35:56 on principle i'd be +1 for this if it's reproducible, just would be good to have confirmation 16:36:19 i don't know off hand where i'd go to test this, is there an openstack instance we have access to with aarch64 options? 16:38:21 no idea here 16:41:01 nothing i can test it with here 16:42:06 I don't have anything to test with :( 16:42:55 +1 punt 16:45:18 it's a bit late to punt, really 16:46:32 perhaps we could ask dustymabe to test for us? 16:46:48 I saw he cc'ed himself 16:47:47 just becasue we cant test it we shouldnt +1 or -1 at this point 16:50:03 i guess we can punt and try to figure it out this week 16:50:05 if there is a possibility that it breaks we should be +1, even if we can't test 16:50:12 realistically we're gonna need to try and look into it more whatever teh vote is... 16:50:58 there should be a gonogo meeting, so we should know by then, is it possible to find someone to test? 16:52:28 i'm going to ask the cloud and arm folks about it after this meeting. 16:53:13 proposed #agreed 2011928 - punt (delay decision) - this is definitely a worrying bug but so far we have only a single reporter and not much detail or feedback from kernel/arm/cloud groups. we will try to get more input on this issue this week and take further action 16:53:29 ack 16:53:33 ack 16:53:39 ack 16:53:40 ack 16:54:59 #agreed 2011928 - punt (delay decision) - this is definitely a worrying bug but so far we have only a single reporter and not much detail or feedback from kernel/arm/cloud groups. we will try to get more input on this issue this week and take further action 16:55:22 #topic (2008803) openh264 crashes for all videos 16:55:26 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008803 16:55:30 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/521 16:55:38 #info Proposed Blocker, openh264, MODIFIED 16:55:41 #info Ticket vote: 0Day (+8,0,-0) (+catanzaro, +mohanboddu, +bcotton, +kevin, +lruzicka, +geraldosimiao, +ngompa, +frantisekz) 16:55:49 oh, heh 16:55:54 there's a limitation in the blockerbugs UI here 16:56:16 I didn't resolve this before the meeting as the webUI shows "+0, 0, -0" because it doesn't show 0Day votes 16:57:05 proposed #agreed 2008803 - Accepted0Day - this is accepted as a 0-day blocker by ticket vote of +8 (was not cleared before meeting due to blockerbugs webUI limitation) 16:57:19 ack 16:57:25 ack 16:57:38 ack 16:59:07 adamw, do I mark the whiteboard as anything special for a 0-day bug? 16:59:17 yes 16:59:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process#Normal.2C_0-Day_and_Previous_Release_blockers 16:59:37 #agreed 2008803 - Accepted0Day - this is accepted as a 0-day blocker by ticket vote of +8 (was not cleared before meeting due to blockerbugs webUI limitation) 16:59:39 thanks 17:01:37 #topic (2011774) Toggled repos in Discover jump to the bottom of the list, and other repo names are changed to undefined 17:01:45 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2011774 17:01:48 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/528 17:01:51 #info Proposed Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:04:16 hmm, I don't think this is a blocker 17:04:49 if it's just a redrawing issue, I would agree 17:05:06 annoying, but not worth blocking on 17:06:07 yeah, i'm kiiinda in the same place 17:06:15 agree 17:06:16 -1FB 17:06:18 it does look pretty dumb, but it works 17:06:25 -1 FB 17:06:28 -1 FB 17:06:31 what do we think about FE? 17:06:32 -1 blocker 17:06:51 +1fe 17:07:08 +1 fe, this might not be very problematic 17:07:23 +1 fe 17:07:59 +1 FE 17:09:11 alright 17:09:21 Ohhh missed the meeting today. Is holiday here tiday and tomorrow 17:09:26 Today 17:09:59 geraldosimiao, we are far from finished :D 17:09:59 proposed #agreed 2011774 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - we agreed that while this looks bad, the operation does work, so critical functionality is maintained. It's accepted as an FE issue if it can be fixed relatively safely, as it does look pretty bad. 17:10:07 ack 17:10:11 ack 17:10:14 geraldosimiao: it's a holiday here too, yet here i am like an idiot :D 17:10:17 ack 17:10:46 Ohh, you're not like an idiot adamw 17:11:04 i am an idiot? :D 17:11:07 Don't say that 😶 17:11:26 adamw, holiday here as well but here we are 17:11:55 adamw, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfYtMLe7gqI 17:12:20 #agreed 2011774 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - we agreed that while this looks bad, the operation does work, so critical functionality is maintained. It's accepted as an FE issue if it can be fixed relatively safely, as it does look pretty bad. 17:12:20 #topic (2011231) HDMI Audio Device is invisible/inactive unless you manually assign it a profile 17:12:21 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2011231 17:12:21 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/511 17:12:23 #info Proposed Blocker, plasma-systemsettings, NEW 17:12:27 #info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+4,0,-0) (+bcotton, +mohanboddu, +kevin, +adamwill) 17:13:26 maybe, can somebody try hdmi audio out on something different than amd gpu? 17:14:17 my monitor doesn't have speakers, i'd have to wiggle things around a bit to plug into the tv... 17:14:37 anyone else have it more handy than me? 17:14:43 I tried this on my desktop today and it did not work very well. It was visible, but it did not receive any sound until I chose the profile 17:14:47 not a kde install 17:15:02 I can install one, but will take a few minutes 17:15:12 mine was on Workstation, behaving similarly to the KDE bug 17:15:54 on the other hand, it seemed like there might be various profiles ready for multiple HDMI outputs, so this actually might not be a bug but a feature 17:16:01 hmm, I didn't hit this on Workstation at all 17:16:03 worked just fine 17:16:19 (everything else being the same - pipewire, wireplumber, kernel...) 17:16:36 I don't have hardware to test that, sorry 😔 17:17:46 frantisekz: could you test it on f34 as well to see if it's different there? 17:17:59 this was the first time, I had such an experience, so **shrug** 17:19:05 yeah, I can try that on f34, but not right away 17:19:19 I'll post my findings to the bz, I barely remember it was ok 17:19:56 so we seem a bit...fuzzy on this 17:20:00 however, it seems to work with certain tweakings, so what if we put into the common bugs and let it go? 17:20:15 lruzicka: I think it should use some profile by default, so you can get at least some sound 17:20:39 just to note, I don't think this should be a blocker 17:20:43 frantisekz, if it was the only device, then perhaps, I would agree 17:21:24 even if there were more devices imo, you'll choose the device that you want, you shouldn't need to care about profile for it 17:21:46 i'm either -1 or punt on this one... 17:21:57 -1, common bugs 17:22:17 -1 17:23:19 -1 too, common bugs 17:23:40 okay 17:24:24 proposed #agreed 2011231 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - we agreed that this seems too limited in impact (at least to HDMI audio output on KDE, and possibly to the specific device) to be considered a criteria violation. note that it is already accepted as an FE issue. 17:24:40 ack 17:24:42 ack 17:24:53 ack 17:24:59 ack 17:25:47 Ack 17:26:01 #agreed 2011231 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - we agreed that this seems too limited in impact (at least to HDMI audio output on KDE, and possibly to the specific device) to be considered a criteria violation. note that it is already accepted as an FE issue. 17:26:43 #topic Accepted Final blockers 17:27:00 #info will skip ones that are clearly on the way to being resolved 17:27:13 #info a reminder that we're checking status/progress here, not re-voting unless we specifically decide to 17:27:18 #topic (1991075) time is transiently incorrect when Automatic Time Zone is enabled 17:27:22 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1991075 17:27:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/389 17:27:28 #info Accepted Blocker, geoclue2, MODIFIED 17:28:06 #info the existing update does not fully resolve this 17:28:17 #info desktop team are actively working on it and intend further progress today 17:28:53 i think that's about all, not sure we can do much to move this along besides the folks already involved carrying on with what they're doing 17:29:35 yup 17:30:35 #topic (1989726) [abrt] gnome-shell: cogl_texture_get_gl_texture(): gnome-shell killed by SIGSEGV 17:30:40 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1989726 17:30:43 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/399 17:30:46 #info Accepted Blocker, mesa, ASSIGNED 17:30:48 this ol' chestnut 17:31:02 :D 17:32:22 #info per karol herbst's most recent comments this should be fixable now, we are waiting for him to submit the PRs he planned 17:32:31 #action adamw to check in with karol if PRs do not show up soon 17:33:50 #topic (2011291) Discover shows a misleading state of Flatpak repos, can't delete disabled repos 17:33:54 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2011291 17:33:57 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/512 17:34:00 #info Accepted Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:35:05 i filed this upstream, upstream asked a couple of questions, but no real progress yet 17:37:44 not sure what else we can do, here 17:37:51 i asked rex if he can join us, but not sure if he's around 17:41:24 #info this has been reported upstream and had some attention, but doesn't look like any prospect of a fix yet 17:42:34 I think Rex it's at the kde SIG meeting right now 17:43:09 ah 17:43:12 darn overlaps 17:45:49 #topic (2011322) Discover doesn't seem to find any RPM packages, neither locally installed nor in RPM repos 17:45:53 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2011322 17:45:55 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/515 17:46:00 #info Accepted Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:46:11 so i'm kinda stuck on this one as i can't reproduce it. none of the things kamil describes are true in my KDE VM. 17:46:57 geraldo said the same thing 17:48:14 Well, I have reproduce it before upgrading to discover 5.23. 17:48:14 With 5.23 discover discovered all the rpm... 17:48:35 adamw: Indeed 17:49:09 Have uploaded a video to prove it 🤷‍♂️ 17:49:29 but lruzicka said he could reproduce 17:49:46 With 5.23? 17:50:59 I haven't seen this issue with the Beta compose 17:51:06 I was able to reproduce last week ... I am not sure on which version, but I sort of thought I had verified several Discover bugs, so I believe this could have worked in the end. 17:51:08 it wasn't working 100 % of the time 17:51:27 but after bunch of refreshes/waiting it started to show even the rpms 17:51:57 maybe it behaves badly until it's built a cache from repo metadata? 17:52:09 depending on network connection that could take some time after initial install... 17:52:13 I am trying it right now 17:52:29 I am afraid, I must put my kids to bed. 17:52:39 Yes, I noticed it takes more time to build the cache. For me it's like almost 1 minute. 17:53:11 I deleted the VM, but I can put up a new one the first thing tomorrow and test it 17:53:17 it is offering rpm updates just fine (seen it right now), offline upgrades are working well too 17:53:28 seems good then 17:53:42 I really need to hurry, sorry about it. Have a nice time. 17:54:52 thanks 17:55:40 #info there isn't any obvious progress on a fix for this, but myself and geraldo found we cannot reproduce the bug with 5.22 or 5.23, we get correct behaviour in all cases identified by kamil. we speculate this behaviour may occur only until some repodata is properly retrieved? we will continue to investigate 17:57:13 Ok 17:57:43 #topic (2011333) Toggling repo in Discover doesn't redraw the checkbox, confusing users 17:57:46 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2011333 17:57:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/517 17:57:56 #info Accepted Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:58:56 #info no apparent movement on a fix for this either 18:01:37 #action adamw to poke KDE team about series of unaddressed blockers, try and figure out an action plan 18:02:50 #topic (2001837) The switch for Fedora Third Party repositories does not switch them on. 18:02:53 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2001837 18:02:57 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/455 18:03:00 #info Accepted Blocker, selinux-policy, ASSIGNED 18:06:08 #info there seem to be different findings as to whether this is yet fully fixed 18:06:17 zdenek and lruzicka said it is, kparal said it isn't 18:06:29 it'd be good if more folks can test and see 18:06:32 i will try it today 18:06:46 #info we will try to get more testing done to confirm whether this is actually fixed 18:07:10 I think I already tried that, will see again tomorrow morning. 18:07:41 thanks geraldo 18:07:41 #topic Open floor 18:08:08 as a quick note, we also need a blocker bug for final builds of fedora-repos and fedora-release , nirik is working on that 18:08:13 i will ask folks to vote in the app when we're ready 18:08:43 * Southern_Gentlem thought nirik had already done it 18:09:06 thanks everybody, I need to run! 18:09:16 adamw: Ok 18:10:02 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2012948 18:10:29 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2012950 18:11:08 Yeah, I filed em and built em. 18:11:29 ah, but didn't propose 'em :D 18:11:31 let me do that 18:12:28 can we get quick sloppy votes on those two bugs? i'm +1 on both, they both clearly violate criteria as we've voted on a dozen times before (the 'correct repos' and the 'pre-release identification' ones) 18:14:07 Ok, will vote now 18:14:33 i meant here, but we can do it on the app too :D 18:14:39 ticket might not exist yet, let me kick the bot 18:14:40 note that I couldn't make fedora-release be 35-1, because it uses autorelease now 18:14:52 but 35-33 should be working I would think 18:15:08 as long as it's 1 or higher it should be fine 18:16:07 Didn't find both at https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/35/final/buglist 18:16:38 adamw: Oops ok here 18:16:39 +1 on both 18:16:51 +1 on both 18:16:57 ack ack 18:17:06 alrighty, rubber stamp in effect! 18:17:15 Ack ack too 18:17:31 😆 18:18:15 proposed #agreed 2012948 and 2012950 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as clear violations of "A fedora-release package containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release must be present on release-blocking images" 18:18:36 Ack 18:19:02 ack 18:19:36 #agreed 2012948 and 2012950 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as clear violations of "A fedora-release package containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release must be present on release-blocking images" 18:19:42 alrighty, i think that's everything... 18:20:25 anyone got any other business? 18:20:46 Nope 18:20:47 nothing that the Battleaxe can handle 18:20:52 cant 18:21:32 Let's leave all for Neal to fix... 18:21:35 ;) 18:22:03 hehe good plan 18:22:07 alright, thanks for coming out, everyone 18:22:10 #endmeeting