16:00:09 #startmeeting F36-blocker-review 16:00:09 Meeting started Mon Mar 28 16:00:09 2022 UTC. 16:00:09 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:09 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 16:00:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:09 The meeting name has been set to 'f36-blocker-review' 16:00:15 #meetingname F36-blocker-review 16:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'f36-blocker-review' 16:00:18 #topic Roll Call 16:00:23 ahoyhoy folks, who's around for blocker review fun 16:00:37 .hello2 16:00:38 lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 16:00:40 .hello geraldosimiao 16:00:41 geraldosimiao: geraldosimiao 'Geraldo S. Simião Kutz' 16:02:04 .hello2 thunderbirdtr 16:02:05 OnuralpSezer[m]: Sorry, but user 'OnuralpSezer [m]' does not exist 16:02:18 .hello thunderbirdtr 16:02:19 OnuralpSezer[m]: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 16:02:39 .hello2 16:02:40 cmurf: cmurf 'Chris Murphy' 16:03:25 #chair cmurf lruzicka 16:03:25 Current chairs: adamw cmurf lruzicka 16:03:30 do we have a coremodule ? 16:03:36 .hello ngompa 16:03:38 Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' 16:04:35 .hello2 16:04:36 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 16:05:26 welp, boilerplate time 16:05:36 #topic Introduction 16:05:39 Why are we here? 16:05:42 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:05:45 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:05:48 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:05:50 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:05:53 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:05:54 * coremodule is here. 16:05:55 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:05:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 16:06:00 willing to act as secretary 16:06:01 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:06:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Final_Release_Criteria 16:06:13 the hero we need! 16:06:27 #info for Final, we have: 16:06:34 #info 4 Proposed Blockers 16:06:37 #info 7 Accepted Blockers 16:06:40 #info 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions 16:06:43 #info 2 Accepted Freeze Exceptions 16:07:09 #info coremodule will secretarialize 16:07:15 so without further ado, let's start with: 16:07:19 #topic Proposed Final blockers 16:07:24 #topic (2069164) Most buttons on the GNOME virtual keyboard don't work 16:07:27 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2069164 16:07:30 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/693 16:07:33 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW 16:08:12 so, i don't think we have a specific criterion for this, but it could be considered a conditional violation of the 'must be able to create a user and log in' criterion in the case of a device without a physical keyboard, i guess 16:08:49 also the ones kparal cited 16:09:59 i know there are use cases where this matters, but i'm a little concerned about setting a precedent here 16:10:55 i feel like we might have had one of these before 16:11:21 hmm, but i can't find one. 16:11:24 it does seem vaguely familiar 16:11:32 to me this is a good to have but it would get hand waved if it is the only blocker 16:11:44 on the whole...i guess i'd think using fedora on a device without a physical keyboard is unusual enough that i'd be inclined to -1 on this 16:12:13 the depends on your definition of hardware 16:12:25 tablets are common now a days 16:12:34 I was more thinking about people with disabilities than Fedora on a phone 16:12:57 but I don't have a strong opinion either 16:13:02 Southern_Gentlem: there are lots of tablets, but not many pure tablets you can run fedora on, and i don't think many people do that even on the limited hardware where it's possible 16:13:31 kparal: hmm, hadn't thought about that angle 16:13:46 lenovo and dell produce 2 in 1 when touchscreens 16:14:02 with 16:14:05 Southern_Gentlem: sure. but it's a 2-in-1. you can attach the keyboard and install updates... 16:14:28 i could get on board with it being a conditional blocker, and see what the maintainer thinks and also ask about it in tomorrow's Workstation wg meeting 16:14:44 adamw, but in tablet mode why should they install and update when they have one and want to use the screen 16:16:38 adamw, Ben Cotton (he/him): we had similar issues with KDE's virtual keyboard last cycle, I think? 16:16:50 i don't recall that 16:17:02 which thankfully haven't shown up again this go around 16:17:17 hmm, maybe it was dealt with early enough, but I remember having to swap virtual keyboard implementations to fix things 16:18:42 i asked in desktop channel if they have a take on this, but no reply yet 16:19:00 so, do we want to vote on this? punt? if we punt what are we punting for? the shape of things seems pretty clear: OSK doesn't work 16:19:41 i think a punt would be of the "let's hope they fix it before we have to make a decision" variety, which is not my favorite reason for punting 16:20:05 i was a -1 until the a11y angle came up. now i'm leaning toward +1 16:20:06 +1 (conditional) final blocker 16:20:35 and also needinfo, possibly multiples 16:20:47 needinfo who for what? 16:21:43 i was thinking of Florian but i guess a needinfo is just a superfluous email 16:21:59 mclasen says to ping garnacho 16:22:09 he's back this week 16:22:16 so i think we have cmurf, ben and southern_gentlem at +1? 16:22:29 ok so cc or needinfo garnacho 16:23:51 +1 16:24:14 +1 16:24:16 i guess i can go +1 with the a11y angle 16:24:41 +1 16:25:45 proposed #agreed 2069164 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop", in cases where use of the OSK is necessary due to lack of a physical keyboard, or accessibility requirements 16:25:53 ack 16:26:07 ack 16:26:16 ack 16:26:56 ack 16:26:58 * kparal afk 16:27:12 #agreed 2069164 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop", in cases where use of the OSK is necessary due to lack of a physical keyboard, or accessibility requirements 16:27:49 #topic (2066717) [abrt] gvfs: type_class_init_Wm(): gvfsd-dav killed by SIGABRT 16:27:54 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2066717 16:27:58 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/685 16:28:02 #info Proposed Blocker, gvfs, MODIFIED 16:28:04 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,1,-2) (kparal, -catanzaro, -nielsenb) 16:29:02 this seems a bit beyond basic functionality to me, so i'm -1 i think 16:29:07 not sure about FE 16:30:48 -1 final blocker. i agree that it goes beyond "basic funcationality" 16:31:19 +1 FE 16:31:22 -1 FB 16:31:53 +fe -fb 16:32:11 -1 fb, +1fe 16:33:19 proposed #agreed 2066717 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - we agreed this goes beyond 'basic functionality', but does seem worth granting an FE to try and make sure the feature works on the live image 16:33:55 Ack 16:33:56 ack 16:34:44 ack 16:35:22 #agreed 2066717 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - we agreed this goes beyond 'basic functionality', but does seem worth granting an FE to try and make sure the feature works on the live image 16:36:00 #topic (2063156) Workstation Live is frozen in a VM with QXL video driver (Virtio works OK) 16:36:04 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2063156 16:36:08 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/656 16:36:11 #info Proposed Blocker, mutter, NEW 16:36:18 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-1) (-nielsenb) 16:36:22 #info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb) 16:36:25 hoo boy this one again 16:37:26 i'm close to +1 blocker because even though it doesn't happen as often with system VMs as user VMs, it can happen with either 16:38:17 plus Boxes is installed by default, uses qxl on 34 and 35 so surely upgrades are affected even if new VMs created on 36 use virtio 16:38:26 yeah, i do feel +1 final blocker on this 16:38:34 last time we were talking about this being not so severe for beta and perhaps making it +1 FB so I am +1 FB 16:38:38 we need to file it upstream, i guess, and try and get some focused debugging on it 16:38:55 +1 blocker 16:39:06 +1 also 16:39:06 +1 FB 16:42:08 proposed #agreed 2063156 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of Basic criterion "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop...", when running on a default F35 or earlier virt-manager VM and hitting the bug 16:42:13 ack 16:42:19 ack 16:42:22 (the virt criterion does not apply here as it's specific to the release under test) 16:42:47 ack 16:42:54 ack 16:43:14 Ack 16:43:43 ack 16:44:10 #agreed 2063156 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of Basic criterion "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop...", when running on a default F35 or earlier virt-manager VM and hitting the bug 16:44:21 #topic (2067151) Basic graphics mode broken for KDE (BIOS/UEFI) and GNOME (UEFI+X11) 16:44:25 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2067151 16:44:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/687 16:44:32 #info Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11-server, NEW 16:44:35 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+imsedgar, +nielsenb) 16:44:42 yeah, seems pretty +1. 16:45:29 +1 16:45:39 i just voted in the ticket +1 16:46:38 +1 16:46:42 +1 16:46:52 I am incredibly confused how this is happening, but yeah 16:47:10 proposed #agreed 2067151 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a clear violation of Final criterion "The generic video driver option...must function as intended (launching the installer or desktop and attempting to use a generic driver), and there must be no bugs that clearly prevent the installer or desktop from being reached in this configuration on all systems or on wide classes of hardware" 16:47:20 did that make it to IRC ok? 16:47:24 yeah 16:47:25 ack 16:49:28 ack 16:50:11 ack 16:50:54 #agreed 2067151 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a clear violation of Final criterion "The generic video driver option...must function as intended (launching the installer or desktop and attempting to use a generic driver), and there must be no bugs that clearly prevent the installer or desktop from being reached in this configuration on all systems or on wide classes of hardware" 16:51:04 alright, that's all the proposed blockers 16:51:09 #topic Proposed Final freeze exception issues 16:51:14 #topic (2069039) After F35 -> F36 upgrade spell checking doesn't work in Weechat 16:51:17 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2069039 16:51:20 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/692 16:51:25 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, enchant, NEW 16:51:55 is this the hunspell thing, maybe? 16:53:03 i guess to be solidly +1 FE i'd want to know this affects an app on a live desktop, but that seems like a reasonable bet... 16:53:17 do we ship weechat by default on any blocking artifacts? 16:53:36 no 16:53:59 anything else that uses enchant (not enchant2) would likely be affected too, by the looks of the bug 16:54:50 * adamw does a repoquery 16:54:55 when i try to remove enchant, dnf also wants to remove ibus-typing-booster 16:55:32 but also enchant is on Workstation due to anaconda 16:55:58 https://paste.centos.org/view/593805c5 16:56:19 i think i can be +1 for this just on general principle that lots of things use enchant and it's probably a good idea to complete the Change by making it support the new location 16:56:44 fair enough i'll change my vote to +1 FE 16:57:26 +1 FE, i suppose 16:58:04 +1 FE too 16:58:25 proposed #agreed 2069039 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - we're not 100% sure anything on media uses enchant, but the dependency list is very long so it seems like a good bet, and the fix is pretty clear and safe (just have it support the new location for hunspell dictionaries) 16:58:50 ack 16:58:58 ack 16:59:04 ack 16:59:21 #agreed 2069039 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - we're not 100% sure anything on media uses enchant, but the dependency list is very long so it seems like a good bet, and the fix is pretty clear and safe (just have it support the new location for hunspell dictionaries) 16:59:29 #topic (2063410) Printer setting: can't scroll media size list 16:59:34 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2063410 16:59:36 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/659 16:59:39 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-control-center, NEW 16:59:42 #info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+3,0,-1) (+geraldosimiao, +catanzaro, +imsedgar, -nielsenb) 16:59:57 so, this is a significant issue with a fix, but the fix is fairly intrusive according to the person who wrote it (nielsenb) 17:00:57 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/merge_requests/1268/diffs does indeed look a bit more radical than something i'd want to take during a freeze 17:01:30 it's the year of the paperless office, anyway 17:01:56 if the unselectable media types are obscure then -1 FE -1 FB 17:01:56 but is it the year of Linux on the desktop?! 17:02:07 cmurf: i would assume that depends on the printer/driver 17:02:17 but if it's A4 or Letter, I'd be +1 FB 17:02:30 but in general you'd sort of expect they'd put common ones at the top... 17:02:34 presumably those are the defualt though 17:02:40 that too 17:03:43 -1 FE on the basis of the fix being intrusive and also there probably aren't a ton of people printing from lives (i hope) 17:04:52 yeah, i'm trending -1 on the likely minor impact of the bug and the heaviness of the fix 17:05:05 of course, there's a week before freeze. so hypothetically speaking some sneaky packager could get the fix in then. :D 17:06:24 proposed #agreed 2063410 - RejectedFreezeException (Final) - we'd sort of like to take this as it does affect printing from the Workstation live, but the fix looks like a bit too much major surgery to be comfortable during a freeze, and we suspect the practical impact is not too big as commonly-used sizes are likely to be near the top of the list 17:07:17 ack 17:07:33 ack 17:07:48 ack 17:07:58 #agreed 2063410 - RejectedFreezeException (Final) - we'd sort of like to take this as it does affect printing from the Workstation live, but the fix looks like a bit too much major surgery to be comfortable during a freeze, and we suspect the practical impact is not too big as commonly-used sizes are likely to be near the top of the list 17:08:15 aaand that's all the proposals 17:08:24 let's take a quick spin through: 17:08:26 #topic Accepted Final Blockers 17:08:31 as a quick reminder: 17:08:59 #info in this section of the meeting we are checking in on progress with fixes, not voting (unless there seems to be clear reason to re-consider accepted status) 17:09:11 if you were just here for the votes, feel free to leave now :D 17:09:24 #topic (2068015) [abrt] gnome-connections: _mid_memalign(): gnome-connections killed by SIGSEGV 17:09:26 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2068015 17:09:28 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/688 17:09:30 #info Accepted Blocker, gnome-connections, NEW 17:10:00 this probably needs an upstream report... 17:10:22 #info this is fairly recently discovered, no apparent movement on a fix yet 17:10:28 #action adamw to ping kparal to file an upstream report 17:10:37 #topic (2049849) Windows with bitlocker enabled can't be booted, needs to use bootnext instead of chainloader 17:10:41 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2049849 17:10:45 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/597 17:10:48 #info Accepted Blocker, grub2, NEW 17:11:37 nothing really new here 17:11:43 hmm, i missed a bit 17:11:58 #info back in February, rharwood wrote: "I recommend either changing the criteria or deferring" 17:12:11 maybe we should do that? 17:12:49 deferring is certain 17:13:13 since we have the time, i feel like changing the criteria would be cleaner 17:13:21 do you want to draft a change? should I? 17:13:23 changing criteria, not certain if upstream GRUB folks will eventually get on board but i did just underscore that doing nothing means the end to dual boot support in GRUB 17:13:50 i'd word it as a kinda temporary carve-out, i guess 17:14:01 systemd-boot is going to implement the change Javier and I talked about, and GRUB folks know about that 17:14:48 that change is to just use UEFI's "bootnext" variable in NVRAM to do a one time boot of Windows 17:15:35 since it's a conditional blocker i guess we could just defer to F37 and do the criterion update at that time if it's clear GRUB's done with booting Windows 17:16:25 i guess 17:16:30 hmm, let me see if we're allowed to waive things already 17:17:08 seems like we can, i didn't write in any rules about when we can waive things 17:17:26 exceptional cases, Difficult to fix blocker bugs 17:17:30 so, uh, if anyone but me and cmurf is still here, i propose we waive this to f37 on the basis that it's difficult to fix and grub devs have already said it's not getting fixed this cycle 17:17:46 right 17:17:54 as cmurf says, if they're still not planning to fix it next cycle, we can amend the criteria 17:19:52 so +1 invoke difficult to fix exception, common bugs (use efibootmgr --bootnext as work around or the firmware boot manager), and ... 17:19:52 welp, maybe it's just us chickens. :D 17:20:09 it's already common bugs'ed, by the looks of it 17:20:14 +1 waive 17:20:19 if you want to check for accuracy, see https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/20612 17:20:24 oh i'll need to update it then 17:20:44 ahh it's already in there, cool 17:22:04 nirik: mboddu is one of you around to wear a releng hat and agree to waive this? 17:24:39 i've got to go mobile so pre-ack just in case 17:24:56 looks like we have no releng, so i'll make it provisional 17:25:50 #agreed QA (adamw) and devel (cmurf), plus bcotton, agreed this should be waived to F37 as a difficult-to-fix blocker, but there was no releng representation so the decision cannot be finalized 17:26:05 #action adamw to get signoff from releng and complete waiving this to F37 17:26:45 #topic (2043335) gtk_widget_measure: assertion 'for_size >= -1' failed 17:26:47 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2043335 17:26:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/613 17:26:54 #info Accepted Blocker, gtk4, VERIFIED 17:28:10 * nirik reads back 17:28:20 #info this was marked VERIFIED with the RC megaupdate, we will close it 17:28:33 * mboddu reading back 17:28:35 ack 17:29:05 ack 17:29:12 nirik: mboddu if you support waiving the bitlocker bug, i'll circle back to that topic 17:29:45 I think so yes... +1 waive for me. Hopefully mboddu agrees. :) 17:30:51 #topic (2049849) Windows with bitlocker enabled can't be booted, needs to use bootnext instead of chainloader 17:30:58 #info circling back to this one as releng showed up 17:31:15 From my experience, I have seen bitlocker enabled only on company provided hardware, so I guess I am okay with waiving it 17:31:25 ^ enabled by default 17:32:05 #agreed with votes from adamw, cmurf, bcotton and nirik, this is waived due to grub developers stating it is not possible to fix during this release cycle. during F37 cycle we will evaluate whether to adjust the release criterion 17:32:11 But I definitely suggest deferring but also mention it in the common bugs 17:32:15 whoops 17:32:17 #undo 17:32:17 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by adamw at 17:32:05 : with votes from adamw, cmurf, bcotton and nirik, this is waived due to grub developers stating it is not possible to fix during this release cycle. during F37 cycle we will evaluate whether to adjust the release criterion 17:32:38 #agreed with votes from adamw, cmurf, bcotton, nirik and mboddu, this is waived due to grub developers stating it is not possible to fix during this release cycle. during F37 cycle we will evaluate whether to adjust the release criterion 17:32:43 mboddu: yep, it's already in common bugs 17:32:51 adamw: +1 17:32:59 thanks folks 17:33:09 #topic (2062660) The input string via Input Method isn't renderred properly at the search box on Activities 17:33:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2062660 17:33:13 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/676 17:33:17 #info Accepted Blocker, mutter, ASSIGNED 17:34:16 #info upstream has done some debugging of this at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2188 , seems stalled since a week ago 17:34:37 #action adamw to ping garnacho on current status 17:35:22 #topic (2056927) Require authselect for use in scriptlets 17:35:24 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2056927 17:35:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/622 17:35:30 #info Accepted Blocker, nss-mdns, ON_QA 17:36:12 #info update was pushed stable, but fix isn't yet verified, we need to verify it 17:36:32 cmurf, will you be able to test this? 17:40:13 welp, moving on 17:40:18 #topic (2057563) The About button sends Discover into loop and the application stops responding. 17:40:22 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2057563 17:40:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/627 17:40:29 #info Accepted Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:41:36 #info this is reported upstream, but upstream dev (nate graham) had trouble reproducing 17:41:52 #info ben pinged the report three days ago, so I guess we'll see if that gets us anywhere 17:43:47 #topic (2066703) tracker-extract-3 killed by SIGSYS 17:43:50 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2066703 17:43:53 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/684 17:43:57 #info Accepted Blocker, tracker-miners, NEW 17:46:32 #info this probably needs an upstream report 17:48:34 #info garnacho says https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker-miners/-/merge_requests/386 should fix this 17:50:02 aaand that's the lot 17:50:05 #topic Open Floor 17:50:25 any other business, anyone who didn't leave already? :D 17:50:40 * bcotton has nothing 17:50:52 nothing here 17:52:56 yay for nothing 17:53:55 thanks, folks 17:53:57 #endmeeting