16:00:11 <coremodule> #startmeeting F36-blocker-review 16:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 4 16:00:11 2022 UTC. 16:00:11 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:11 <zodbot> The chair is coremodule. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 16:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f36-blocker-review' 16:00:11 <coremodule> #meetingname F36-blocker-review 16:00:11 <coremodule> #topic Roll Call 16:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f36-blocker-review' 16:00:22 <coremodule> hello everyone, who is around for a blocker review? 16:00:24 <nielsenb> I'm here 16:01:05 <kparal> I probably won't be able to attend this meeting, but I voiced my opinions in review tickets. You can always try to ping me, of course, if you want some clarifications. But I might be afk. 16:03:27 <lruzicka> I am also here 16:03:33 <lruzicka> .hello2 16:03:34 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com> 16:03:48 <OnuralpSezer[m]1> .hello thunderbirdtr 16:03:48 <zodbot> OnuralpSezer[m]1: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com> 16:04:24 <frantisekz> .hello2 16:04:25 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com> 16:04:33 <jforbes> .hello2 16:04:34 <zodbot> jforbes: jforbes 'Justin Forbes' <jforbes@redhat.com> 16:04:38 <frantisekz> coremodule: feel free to make me a secretary :) 16:04:41 <davdunc[m> .hello2 16:04:41 <zodbot> davdunc[m: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 16:04:51 <coremodule> #chair frantisekz lruzicka nielsenb 16:04:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule frantisekz lruzicka nielsenb 16:05:00 <coremodule> #info frantisekz will act as secretary. 16:05:03 <coremodule> Thanks frantisekz 16:05:06 <coremodule> frantisekz++ 16:05:06 <zodbot> coremodule: Karma for frantisekz changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:05:09 <davdunc> .hello2 16:05:10 <zodbot> davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com> 16:05:26 <coremodule> Boilerplate inbound! 16:05:30 <coremodule> #topic Introduction 16:05:30 <coremodule> Why are we here? 16:05:30 <coremodule> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:05:30 <coremodule> #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:05:31 <coremodule> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:05:32 <coremodule> #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:05:34 <coremodule> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:05:36 <coremodule> #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:05:38 <coremodule> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 16:05:40 <coremodule> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:05:42 <coremodule> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Final_Release_Criteria 16:05:45 <coremodule> Today we have: 16:05:49 <coremodule> #info 8 Proposed Blockers 16:05:58 <coremodule> #info 1 Proposed Freeze Exceptions 16:06:17 <coremodule> #topic (2063410) Printer setting: can't scroll media size list 16:06:17 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2063410 16:06:17 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/659 16:06:17 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-control-center, NEW 16:06:18 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+4,0,-1) (+bcotton, +kparal, +lruzicka, +catanzaro, -nielsenb) 16:06:19 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+3,0,-1) (+geraldosimiao, +catanzaro, +imsedgar, -nielsenb) 16:07:17 <coremodule> This is +4 blocker in blockerbugs, but which criterion should we file it under? 16:07:34 <nielsenb> Basic functionality? Or real printer? 16:08:27 <frantisekz> +1 FB 16:08:41 <frantisekz> I'd say it considerably breaks the real printer criterion 16:09:02 <coremodule> I am thinking a conditional violation of "Printing must work in release-blocking desktops on at least one printer using each of the following drivers:" 16:09:19 <nielsenb> I would say technically printing works on "at least one printer", because I can use mine 16:09:33 <nielsenb> But for anyone that needs to change paper size, it's pretty broken 16:10:04 <frantisekz> coremodule: wording seems okay for me 16:10:06 <lruzicka> I would rather use the Basic Functionality ... printing is not hindered by this, but the experience is unpleasant 16:10:28 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa 16:10:29 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com> 16:10:39 <lruzicka> so it is basically Gnome-Control-Center - basic functionality 16:10:40 <nielsenb> Well, if you can't figure out how to set your paper size correctly, you won't be able to print in any meaninful way 16:10:44 <SeanM[m]> .hello se-sm-ca 16:10:45 <zodbot> SeanM[m]: Sorry, but user 'se-sm-ca' does not exist 16:10:56 <SeanM[m]> .hello seaninspace 16:10:57 <zodbot> SeanM[m]: seaninspace 'None' <seanmottles@posteo.net> 16:11:30 <coremodule> lruzicka, this one? 16:11:31 <coremodule> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Beta_Release_Criteria#Printing 16:11:44 <lruzicka> nielsenb, I bet the default paper size will be used when you try printing, so it will work. But the settings cannot be done an easy way. 16:12:05 <nielsenb> But if the default is wrong? 16:12:18 <lruzicka> coremodule, this one https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_application_functionality 16:12:43 <lruzicka> nielsenb, how probably it is, that the printer sends out an unusable paper size to the computer by default? 16:12:50 <kparal> The printing criterion is fine, because in printing dialogs there is no problem 16:12:52 <frantisekz> I'd stay with the printer criterion, it doesn't feel right to get this in under basic criterion 16:12:55 <kparal> Just setting the defaults sucks 16:13:03 <nielsenb> But for legacy, no IPP printers 16:13:09 <nielsenb> You get whatever the PPD default is 16:13:20 <lruzicka> nielsenb, IPP will not be default in F36 16:13:41 <nielsenb> It is for printers that only support IPP 16:13:46 <nielsenb> I believe 16:13:49 <kparal> lruzicka: IPP works out of the box for network printers 16:13:55 <nielsenb> Has been since IPP has been supported in CUPS 16:13:57 <kparal> just ipp-usb will not be installed by default 16:13:59 <lruzicka> kparal, I am not saying it does not 16:14:28 <nielsenb> Anyway, this all feels a little academic, I'm okay with basic functionality 16:14:34 <lruzicka> +1 16:15:45 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2063410 – This is accepted as a conditional violation of the following Beta criterion: “Printing must work in release-blocking desktops on at least one printer available to those performing validation testing.” 16:15:55 <frantisekz> ack 16:16:14 <lruzicka> I still do not think. 16:17:05 <kparal> I think the other criterion is better, but I don't mind that much 16:17:08 <kparal> ack 16:17:17 <nielsenb> I'm okay with either I guess 16:17:19 <nielsenb> ack 16:17:37 <lruzicka> ack, if you want it 16:18:16 <coremodule> for brevity's sake, we'll go with this. If you want to state your case in-bug lruzicka we can talk about it there 16:18:22 <coremodule> #agreed 2063410 – This is accepted as a conditional violation of the following Beta criterion: “Printing must work in release-blocking desktops on at least one printer available to those performing validation testing.” 16:18:39 <coremodule> #topic (2071394) Connecting/disconnecting an external monitor switches GNOME to the login screen 16:18:39 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071394 16:18:39 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/713 16:18:39 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW 16:18:39 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-2) (+lruzicka, -kparal, -catanzaro) 16:19:17 <nielsenb> I wonder if this is related to the "Possible regression in GNOME..." discussion going on in Devel 16:19:24 <lruzicka> coremodule, no need to waste time on different wording, if you feel it differently 16:19:41 <nielsenb> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/2J62APXU2GSC6HN3DQO2MIKVUPR4235D/ 16:19:58 <nielsenb> _Something_ seems a little borked with Gnome and display changes 16:20:44 <frantisekz> doesn't sound like a blocker for me, -1 FB, +1 FE 16:21:21 <nielsenb> Yeah, I don't think I would block on it 16:21:34 <nielsenb> But it sounds annoying, as is the getting booted issue in VMs 16:21:40 <lruzicka> well, it does for me, because anytime I forget to switch on my external display, I will be moved to GDM - I do not see this as an ideal behaviour for an operating system. 16:21:48 <coremodule> I agree, it's ugly but doesn't cause data loss per kparals comment, -1 blocker, +1 Final FE 16:22:08 <frantisekz> it's not ideal, but what criterion does it break? 16:22:52 <frantisekz> I mean... it could be feature, if somebody evil connects a secret monitor to your laptop/pc... :D 16:22:57 <kparal> lruzicka: but this is not the "ideal behavior meeting" 🙂 16:23:08 <jforbes> I am inclined to to agree on the feature aspect 16:23:10 <kparal> sure, in annoys me as well 16:23:15 <kparal> s/in/it/ 16:23:18 <nielsenb> Can it be? That meeting sounds like it would longer 16:23:32 <nielsenb> :D 16:23:36 <jforbes> it actually seems useful in some contexts, though it seems like it should be switchable if it was intentional 16:23:46 <coremodule> nielsenb, only if you buy the donuts 16:24:12 <lruzicka> frantisekz, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Final_Release_Criteria#Dual_monitor_setup 16:24:16 <nielsenb> I only have capital Os rendered in your IRC font of choice 16:24:58 <jforbes> lruzicka: it is correctly shown, it just gets locked if one of them changes state right? 16:25:04 <frantisekz> lruzicka : how does this bug break the criterion? 16:25:55 <kparal> actually, the session might not get locked, just switched. So there could be some slight security issue. But I'd need to verify 16:26:06 <kparal> either way, I don't think it would be a blocker 16:26:15 <lruzicka> frantisekz, it is not correctly displayed in the moment 16:26:41 <frantisekz> how? the criterion doesn't say what's correct.. this can be the correct way 16:26:47 <kparal> lruzicka: it is displayed correctly, just not the content that you want/expect 16:26:52 <frantisekz> I mean... I understand where you're coming from 16:26:57 <kparal> displayed = pixels are shown 16:27:21 <kparal> it has the right layout, resolution, everything 16:27:36 <lruzicka> kparal, I really "love" the uselessness of twisting the meanings to advocate for a view 16:28:14 <nielsenb> The criteria also doesn't really mention _when_ correct happens 16:28:19 <lruzicka> if I expect to be seeing something, and it is not, then it is not correctly displayed 16:28:23 <nielsenb> If somebody would like to bend it that way instead 16:28:32 <kparal> well I understand the purpose of the criterion quite differently than you do, apparently 🙂 16:28:34 <nielsenb> It is correct, after you turn both your monitors on and log in again 16:28:45 <coremodule> \ 16:28:59 <kparal> I'm understanding the criterion more like a hardware-level criterion 16:29:24 <coremodule> we could also punt for more info to give time to investigate any security issues that the bug might bring up 16:29:40 <kparal> not that the OS does exactly what you expect at all times, including session locking 16:29:41 <coremodule> although, I'm inclined to believe that any security issue would be minimal 16:30:13 <lruzicka> I tend to see it from the users's perspective, but if the majority is against, let's dismiss it then and move forward 16:30:17 <kparal> well I can test it in 30 seconds 16:30:37 <coremodule> kparal, do you mind? we can wait... 16:31:18 <coremodule> lruzicka, I see your point, "from the user's perspective" 16:31:21 <kparal> ok, the session doesn't get locked 16:31:31 <coremodule> alright, so lets get a final vote count 16:31:45 <kparal> ctrl+alt+f2 gets you back without providing a password 16:31:45 <nielsenb> Is that more, or less, desirable? 16:31:51 <kparal> so if the user got confused and walked away, you could get to their session until the screensaver kicks in 16:31:59 <nielsenb> Gross 16:32:10 <kparal> I still think that the security impact is quite low, though 16:32:18 <coremodule> kparal, but the whole time the login screen is being shown on that monitor? 16:32:40 <lruzicka> yeah, if the computer looks like locked, nobody is going to try and hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 16:32:48 <lruzicka> if we do not make it public 16:32:52 <nielsenb> Right 16:33:04 <nielsenb> Wonder if that applies to the VM bug too 16:33:10 <lruzicka> which we will do and warn about it in advance 16:33:19 <lruzicka> in common bugs 16:33:23 <kparal> lruzicka: hey, I'm well known for heavily defending our poor general users! I just think that in this case it's not a blocker material, because very little harm gets done (if any) 16:33:47 <nielsenb> Does the user get reunited with the original session after logging in? 16:33:53 <lruzicka> nielsenb, yes 16:33:58 <nielsenb> Okay 16:34:02 <nielsenb> -1 FinalBlocker 16:34:04 <nielsenb> +1 FinalFE 16:34:09 <kparal> the session doesn't look "locked", it's not the usual locked screen. It's gdm, as if you used "switch user". 16:34:34 <lruzicka> kparal, what happens if you log in again with the same credentials? 16:34:49 <lruzicka> kparal, do you arrive into the same session or a new one? 16:34:58 <kparal> you go back to your session, as I described in the bug report 16:35:19 <kparal> an in my explanation why I give it -1 16:35:23 <kparal> s/an/and/ 16:36:30 <kparal> https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/713#comment-790267 16:36:35 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2071394 – RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException - This is an ugly bug, but we don’t think it violates the blocker criteria as stated and agree that the impact it has is minimal. We do grant an FE though as it would be nice to have if a fix were available. 16:36:50 <lruzicka> ack 16:36:56 <frantisekz> ack 16:37:01 <nielsenb> ack 16:37:12 <coremodule> #agreed 2071394 – RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException - This is an ugly bug, but we don’t think it violates the blocker criteria as stated and agree that the impact it has is minimal. We do grant an FE though as it would be nice to have if a fix were available. 16:37:12 <kparal> ack 16:37:23 <coremodule> #topic (2066528) Cannot print except when rebooting computer after upgrade from F35 -> after recommended manual intervention, now cannot print except after turning off printer and then printing a blank page in LibreOffice 16:37:23 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2066528 16:37:23 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/696 16:37:23 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, hplip, NEW 16:37:23 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-1) (+kparal, -lruzicka) 16:37:45 <nielsenb> No ipp-usb by default anymore, right? 16:37:51 <nielsenb> So this shouldn't happen in final? 16:38:06 <frantisekz> yeah, if I understand it right 16:38:22 <nielsenb> So we can pretend we didn't see this? :) 16:38:28 <kparal> please read https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2066528#c49 16:39:01 <nielsenb> So, freeze exception? 16:39:08 <kparal> nielsenb: no pretending, this time 16:39:31 <nielsenb> And also a note that this is ugly enough that it should have a formal change proposal, and maybe a test day or two, next cycle? 16:39:39 <kparal> we can drop the blocker status once updates are stable, though 16:40:18 <kparal> freeze exception is not enough this time, I believe. FEs don't need to be granted, they don't block release. 16:40:20 <frantisekz> queued stable kparal 16:40:54 <kparal> frantisekz: ok, but not enough 🙂 16:40:54 <frantisekz> nielsenb sounds right! 16:41:02 <kparal> also, even if this is stable, we actually need to verify it 16:41:07 <frantisekz> yeah, it should make it before the freeze 16:41:13 <frantisekz> yes, ofc 16:41:41 <kparal> in that case we can make a punt and hope if makes it in before freeze 16:42:03 <kparal> (it was not queued stable an hour ago) 16:42:03 <kparal> I think 16:42:51 <frantisekz> I mean... there shouldn't be much to verify https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/cups/c/bae21bb3a279dca38a7bfeb08029b6c9a32c1775?branch=rawhide , it just can't be broken (tm :D ) 16:43:07 <kparal> haha 16:43:44 <coremodule> punt, or accept as blocker? I'm good with either. Blocker would ensure the fix gets where it needs to go in time, but like frantisekz said, it'll most likely make it before freeze. 16:43:58 <kparal> frantisekz: this one is not pending stable: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-5eac55ee86 16:44:14 <nielsenb> I guess I would like to see it be a blocker for bookkeeping? 16:44:21 <frantisekz> yeah, make it a blocker 16:44:29 <coremodule> yeah, I think I agree. +1 blocker 16:44:34 <frantisekz> kparal: gimme a sec, I'll make it pending stable :P 16:44:39 <nielsenb> +1 FinalBlocker 16:44:47 <lruzicka> +1 FinalBlocker 16:44:47 <frantisekz> +1 FB 16:46:10 <kparal> frantisekz: that's cheating and I'll get your privileges revoked! 😉 16:46:41 <frantisekz> :D 16:46:50 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2066528 – AcceptedBlocker – We are accepting this as a blocker as a violation of the following criterion: "All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use." Note that it shouldn’t be too much longer before the fix lands in stable. 16:46:57 <nielsenb> ack 16:46:58 <frantisekz> ack 16:47:15 <lruzicka> ack 16:47:28 <coremodule> #agreed 2066528 – AcceptedBlocker – We are accepting this as a blocker as a violation of the following criterion: "All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use." Note that it shouldn’t be too much longer before the fix lands in stable. 16:47:39 <coremodule> #topic (2053729) RPi4 wired network fails - eth0 (bcmgenet): transmit queue 1 timed out 16:47:39 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2053729 16:47:39 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/709 16:47:39 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, POST 16:47:40 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-1) (+nielsenb, +lruzicka, -bcotton) 16:48:40 <coremodule> +1 Final Blocker, although what's supported and what's not on ARM is difficult to define. I don' think we'd actually block the release if it came down to this bug. 16:48:59 <coremodule> The fix should also land later this week, so it should be a moot point. 16:49:22 <jforbes> Here's the thing with kernel. 5.17.1 was never intended to be the release kernel. I wouldn't push it to F35 either. In fact the testweek build for F35 has a number of critical bug fixes not in the F36 build 16:49:36 <frantisekz> -1 FB I guess, or is rpi4 supported platform now? 16:49:52 <frantisekz> in any case, +1 FE 16:50:11 <coremodule> frantisekz, no, ARM SIG agreed to take hardware blockers on a case-by-case basis 16:50:19 <coremodule> like we do with x86 16:50:41 <jforbes> It is not officially supported in that desktop acceleration does not work. But a large number of RPi 4 users are headless, and no network makes it much harder to update 16:51:03 <nielsenb> Which makes for a bit of a frustrating user story in the ARM space, "Is my board supported?" "It's complicated..." 16:51:22 <frantisekz> mhm, in any case, I think FE would do the job just fine, arm sig can say otherwise? wdyt pwhalen? 16:51:34 <nielsenb> I agree 16:51:37 <nielsenb> +1 FreezeException 16:51:52 <jforbes> But the F36 kernel also can't mount QNAP nas devices in nfs without manual intervention, doesn't boot on some aarch64 boards (not sure if they are supported), and has a config for AMD PState that is different than .2 will 16:52:26 <jforbes> Plus a couple of CVEs, etc. Basically, shipping .1 isn't an option 16:52:44 <pwhalen> +1 FreezeException 16:54:17 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2053729 – AcceptedFreezeException – We are delaying the classification of this bug as a blocker but accepting it as an FE. The fix in the kernel should land later in the week, which should make this a moot point. 16:54:25 <nielsenb> ack 16:54:28 <lruzicka> ack 16:54:31 <pwhalen> ack 16:54:47 <coremodule> #agreed 2053729 – AcceptedFreezeException – We are delaying the classification of this bug as a blocker but accepting it as an FE. The fix in the kernel should land later in the week, which should make this a moot point. 16:55:02 <coremodule> #topic (2068773) systemd-oomd kills rpm-ostree when installing a package on Fedora IoT 36 on the Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W 16:55:02 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2068773 16:55:02 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/703 16:55:02 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, libdnf, NEW 16:55:03 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-4) (-jmracek, -nielsenb, -lruzicka, -frantisekz) 16:56:59 <lruzicka> So I am still -1 16:57:41 <coremodule> pbrobinson, pwhalen, any thoughts here? It seems like it's not an ostree or RAM issue, but perhaps in DNF. We have -4 votes already, but just want to get your thoughts before we finalize. 16:58:53 <nielsenb> Again, without an explicit "this is supported", it's really hard to call it a blocker 16:59:23 <frantisekz> yeah, also, the affected platform is stated as "not supported" 16:59:27 <nielsenb> Right 16:59:59 <frantisekz> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Supported_Hardware ; "Initial support for the new Zero 2W is under review." 17:00:05 <pwhalen> I think it might work with a swapfile, as a possible workaround. Not ideal, but we've hit this issue in cloud instances as well 17:00:25 <frantisekz> btw, shouldn't zram help in these cases? or is it still not enough even with it? 17:01:29 <pwhalen> It doesnt help, I have a system with 256M I use a swapfile and it works. 17:02:18 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2068773 – RejectedBlocker – The RPi Zero 2W is explicitly stated that it is not currently supported by Fedora ARM, so we reject this bug as a blocker. 17:02:19 <frantisekz> hmm, sounds like a common bug with described swap workaround would do then? 17:02:24 <frantisekz> ack 17:02:28 <nielsenb> ack 17:02:56 <lruzicka> ack + common bugs 17:03:11 <coremodule> #agreed 2068773 – RejectedBlocker – The RPi Zero 2W is explicitly stated that it is not currently supported by Fedora ARM, so we reject this bug as a blocker. 17:03:22 <coremodule> #topic (2071226) anaconda failed to start a live session on a VM with QXL video driver (Virtio works OK) 17:03:22 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071226 17:03:22 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/710 17:03:22 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, mutter, NEW 17:03:23 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-1) (+lruzicka, -nielsenb) 17:04:56 <kparal> see my summary https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/710#comment-790277 17:05:04 <nielsenb> Really wish I knew why I'm unable to repro these QXL issues 17:05:23 <kparal> it's a race condition 17:05:32 <frantisekz> I am thinking about asking the virt-manager maint about backporting QXL > virtio change 17:05:38 <frantisekz> so we could forget about these... 17:06:00 <kparal> there might be more to it, but even that race is enough to show up just sometimes and somewhere 17:06:30 <kparal> frantisekz: that would help. But wouldn't affect existing VMs, if somebody reuses it instead of creating new. Just a note. 17:06:55 <kparal> it would be enough to work around the blocker, though, I believe 17:07:07 <frantisekz> yeah, it'd be common bug material then 17:08:02 <frantisekz> also, I'd say virt-manager users are more like power users, who would be able to checkup common bugs/ change the setting, boxes use virtio for a long time by default afaik 17:08:43 <kparal> I think virt-manager is even quite older on F34, so there might be some reasons why the default would be problematic to switch. Just speculating. 17:09:28 <kparal> either way, we need to start poking upstream about this 17:09:45 <kparal> frantisekz: asking Cole would be a good thing to do asap 17:10:15 <frantisekz> yep, any way to reach him fastest? gchat/irc? 17:10:34 <kparal> no idea, shoot him an email 17:11:31 <frantisekz> will do 17:11:36 <kparal> so, about this, it would be great if lruzicka could confirm that the cases where he had "stuck/hung" issues were the same as the other qxl bug 17:11:55 <kparal> in that case we could consider this bug to only cover autologin failure 17:12:01 <kparal> and vote on that 17:12:37 <kparal> we can assume that this is the case and vote about it right now 17:13:02 <kparal> or just be on the safe side and vote on the system stuck issue as well, i.e. make it a blocker 17:13:12 <kparal> no real preferences here 17:13:23 <coremodule> lruzicka, are you able to test during the meeting? 17:13:25 <coremodule> as in right now? 17:13:43 <lruzicka> coremodule, I can try. 17:14:11 <coremodule> that would be helpful in making a decision... 17:14:15 <coremodule> lruzicka++ 17:14:15 <zodbot> coremodule: Karma for lruzicka changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:14:20 <kparal> lruzicka: if the system looks stuck, but Escape closes the welcome dialog (and no other input works), then it's the other qxl issue 17:18:12 <lruzicka> kparal, with a newly created VM using QXL I am getting the same behaviour as I described in lnie's bug (the one we discuss right now) 17:18:55 <kparal> well, that's expected, no? 17:19:02 <lruzicka> the VM is not stuck, but autologin does not work, when I click on the Live User login button, it takes me to Live session and I can start Anaconda. 17:19:03 <kparal> so what happens if the system gets stuck? 17:19:51 <lruzicka> when I tried in the afternoon, it got mostly stuck after trying to login . in that case I was having an empty GDM screen 17:20:10 <kparal> aha, so I misunderstood your description 17:20:13 <lruzicka> when I tried now, it did not get stuck 17:20:22 <kparal> after you clicked Login, you only saw a gray screen? 17:20:29 <kparal> or what exactly did happen? 17:20:51 <lruzicka> The login button went away, the screen remained GDMish 17:21:07 <lruzicka> but did not respond to clicks anywhere 17:21:18 <kparal> ok, that at least visually looks different from my qxl issue 17:21:38 <kparal> so in that case I'd propose to accept this as a separate blocker 17:21:41 <frantisekz> (FYI), virt-manager maint agrees with changing QXL > virtio in f35, I'll make a pr, maybe after this meeting, more probably tomorrow 17:22:01 <kparal> frantisekz: cool. What about F34? 17:22:03 <kparal> Do we block on that? 17:22:07 <frantisekz> we don't afaik 17:22:33 <kparal> The release must install and boot successfully as a virtual guest in a situation where the virtual host is running the current stable Fedora release. 17:22:41 <kparal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#Guest_on_current_stable_release 17:22:53 <kparal> So, is "current stable" the latest stable? 17:22:57 <frantisekz> is f34 current stable? 17:22:58 <frantisekz> heh :D 17:23:07 <kparal> Adam would know 😀 17:23:20 <lruzicka> according to this definition, F34 should not be "current stable" 17:23:34 <kparal> Well I can see it both ways 17:23:42 <kparal> Currently F34 and F35 are stable 17:23:45 <frantisekz> amazing, I'll bisect/educatedly guess the correct commit to backport and make changes 17:23:49 <nielsenb> F34 is supported for ~4 weeks after F36 launches 17:24:02 <lruzicka> yeah, sort of ... it is still supported now 17:24:11 <nielsenb> "Supported" 17:24:12 <frantisekz> it's not current... :D 17:24:14 <nielsenb> Needs more quotes 17:24:22 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2063156 – AcceptedBlocker – After some in-meeting testing by lruzicka, we are under the impression that this is a different bug than 2063156. We accept it as a blocker as it violates this criterion: “The release must install and boot successfully as a virtual guest in a situation where the virtual host is running the current stable Fedora release.“ 17:24:25 <kparal> I'll ask Adam 17:24:40 <frantisekz> ack 17:24:41 <lruzicka> ack 17:24:43 <kparal> ack 17:24:50 <nielsenb> ack 17:24:53 <coremodule> #agreed 2063156 – AcceptedBlocker – After some in-meeting testing by lruzicka, we are under the impression that this is a different bug than 2063156. We accept it as a blocker as it violates this criterion: “The release must install and boot successfully as a virtual guest in a situation where the virtual host is running the current stable Fedora release. “ 17:24:57 <coremodule> thanks for the testing lruzicka 17:25:08 <coremodule> #topic (2057563) The About button sends Discover into loop and the application stops responding. 17:25:08 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2057563 17:25:08 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/627 17:25:08 <coremodule> #info Accepted Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:25:21 <coremodule> whoos 17:25:23 <coremodule> whoops 17:25:33 <coremodule> #undo 17:25:33 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by coremodule at 17:25:08 : Accepted Blocker, plasma-discover, NEW 17:25:40 <coremodule> #undo 17:25:40 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x7fccad600da0> 17:25:44 <coremodule> #undo 17:25:44 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x7fccad5f4978> 17:25:51 <coremodule> #undo 17:25:51 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x7fccad82c470> 17:26:04 <lruzicka> coremodule, no problem 17:26:07 <coremodule> #topic (2071343) [tr_TR] curl: (35) error:03000072:digital envelope routines::decode error with LANG=tr_TR.utf8 17:26:07 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071343 17:26:07 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/712 17:26:07 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, openssl, NEW 17:26:07 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-1) (+nielsenb, +thunderbirdtr, -catanzaro) 17:26:09 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+4,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +lruzicka, +thunderbirdtr, +frantisekz) 17:28:09 <nielsenb> So, yeah, I was called out for not having a locale specific criterion at hand 17:28:14 <nielsenb> Does such a thing exist? 17:28:55 <nielsenb> It feels a little like basic functionality, like, you can select Turkish in Anacdonda, and then not be able to use anything that uses OpenSSL3? 17:29:48 <kparal> well, we don't block on curl. But rpm-ostree is blocking in IoT, right? 17:30:03 <coremodule> kparal, yeah 17:30:48 <nielsenb> Isn't curl just an easy reproducer? 17:30:49 <kparal> in that case it violates https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#rpm-ostree_requirements for Turkish, it seems 17:31:09 <kparal> nielsenb: sure, I know. We need to demonstrate a real impact. 17:31:27 <lruzicka> there sure are Turkish Fedora users 17:31:53 <nielsenb> https://github.com/fedora-silverblue/issue-tracker/issues/241 17:31:57 <nielsenb> From there, DNF broke as well 17:32:03 <nielsenb> https://github.com/fedora-silverblue/issue-tracker/issues/241#issuecomment-1086789609 17:32:05 <nielsenb> Better link 17:32:22 <nielsenb> Actually, no 17:32:29 <nielsenb> Reading comprehension, I should get some 17:32:52 <kparal> looks like +1 Final blocker to me 17:33:25 <OnuralpSezer[m]1> nielsenb: For me it is very easy and that also break dnf/git/flatpak and others too 17:33:40 <lruzicka> +1 FinalBlocker then 17:33:46 <coremodule> +1 Final Blocker 17:33:51 <nielsenb> +1 FinalBlocker 17:34:06 <OnuralpSezer[m]1> +1 FinalBlocker 17:34:16 <frantisekz> +1 FB 17:35:53 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2071343 – AcceptedBlocker – This bug impacts an IoT users ability to interact with ostree using “rpm-ostree” and is thus a violation of the IoT Edition rpm-ostree requirements. We grant this bug blocker status. 17:36:01 <nielsenb> ack 17:36:13 <lruzicka> ack 17:36:22 <frantisekz> ack 17:36:34 <coremodule> #agreed 2071343 – AcceptedBlocker – This bug impacts an IoT users ability to interact with ostree using “rpm-ostree” and is thus a violation of the IoT Edition rpm-ostree requirements. We grant this bug blocker status. 17:36:42 <coremodule> #topic (2070764) selinux-policy is preventing flatpak from updating / installing / removing flatpaks 17:36:42 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2070764 17:36:42 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/702 17:36:42 <coremodule> #info Proposed Blocker, selinux-policy, NEW 17:36:42 <coremodule> #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +lruzicka) 17:37:52 <frantisekz> +1 FB, just the criterion, do we offer flatpaks by default in gnome sw? 17:38:13 <kparal> my opinion is in both bugzilla and ticket review 17:38:16 <copperi[m]> It is tied to it 17:38:19 <kparal> I saw nobody else reproduce this 17:38:23 <kparal> and I couldn't 17:38:35 <lruzicka> frantisekz, yes Fedora Flatpaks 17:38:55 <lruzicka> frantisekz, and Flathub with Third Party repos 17:38:55 <coremodule> +1 punt for more testing, kparal couldn't reproduce this 17:39:09 <kparal> has anybody else tried? 17:39:10 <lruzicka> I am not having Flatpak issues either 17:39:26 <nielsenb> I'm trying to check, but gnome-software is being slow on this system 17:39:29 <lruzicka> but I have not tried to test the bug specifically, just installed some Flatpaks 17:39:34 <copperi[m]> I had this issue and got it fixed by removing old rules 17:40:08 <kparal> copperi: what do you mean by old rules? 17:40:59 <copperi[m]> semodule -X 200 -r snappy -r container -X 300 -r my-chown -X 400 -r my-chown -r my-systemctl 17:41:20 <copperi[m]> those my-chown where done somewhere in the past 17:41:43 <kparal> for us selinux ignorants - does this mean you have modified the system defaults and had to reset it back? 17:43:10 <copperi[m]> I removed those 4 packages I got complaints with while trying to update flatpak. 17:43:26 <copperi[m]> Then run dnf reinstall -y container-selinux 17:44:18 <kparal> Note that there IS something fishy going on with selinux and containers, nobody proposed it as a blocker yet: 17:44:18 <kparal> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/dnf-upgrade-of-some-packages-fail-after-upgrade-from-f35/20983 17:44:21 <copperi[m]> But I have seen error (bugzilla) with other rules as well 17:44:28 <kparal> but I'm not sure if it is related to this very bug report 17:44:37 <nielsenb> I'm leaning punt 17:44:49 <kparal> I'd also punt this 17:44:55 <nielsenb> But I do think our criteria should be updated to be more specific in regards to flatpak 17:44:58 <kparal> and we need to look into the other selinux + containers reports 17:45:28 <kparal> nielsenb: you can start a discussion on test list, send us some proposals/thoughts 17:45:33 <nielsenb> Yeah 17:45:37 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2070764 – punt – Per kparal’s comment in-bug and lruzicka’s comment during the meeting, neither were able to reproduce this. We would like to have more widespread testing before we vote one way or the other on this bug, so we will punt for now. 17:45:46 <frantisekz> ack 17:45:47 <nielsenb> ack 17:46:05 <copperi[m]> ack 17:46:13 <coremodule> #agreed 2070764 – punt – Per kparal’s comment in-bug and lruzicka’s comment during the meeting, neither were able to reproduce this. We would like to have more widespread testing before we vote one way or the other on this bug, so we will punt for now. 17:46:16 <coremodule> okay 17:46:24 <coremodule> moving on to our single FE 17:46:33 <coremodule> #info moving onto proposed FE's 17:46:47 <coremodule> #topic (2071098) "Installing software" and other strings displayed during installation are untranslated 17:46:47 <coremodule> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071098 17:46:47 <coremodule> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/715 17:46:47 <coremodule> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, ASSIGNED 17:47:13 <lruzicka> I was asked by jkonecny to bring it up 17:47:23 <nielsenb> +1 FreezeException 17:47:25 <lruzicka> he has some problems to propose it 17:47:30 <lruzicka> +1 FE 17:47:44 <copperi[m]> +1 fe 17:48:33 <coremodule> proposed #agreed 2071098 – AcceptedFreezeException – The decision to classify this bug as an "AcceptedFreezeException (Final)" was made as it is a noticeable issue that cannot be fixed with an update. 17:48:39 <nielsenb> ack 17:48:54 <copperi[m]> ack 17:49:02 <kparal> hmm, didn't we have a criterion for this? 17:49:16 <frantisekz> ack 17:49:24 <kparal> oh yes we did! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Final_Release_Criteria#Installer_translations 17:49:35 <frantisekz> good catch 17:49:39 <kparal> "The installer must correctly display all sufficiently complete translations available for use. " 17:49:46 <coremodule> One or two translated strings not being displayed will not usually constitute a violation of this criterion (unless the ones missing are very important strings). 17:49:47 <kparal> "One or two translated strings not being displayed will not usually constitute a violation of this criterion (unless the ones missing are very important strings)." 17:49:54 <kparal> so.... how many? 😀 17:50:00 <kparal> this might well be a blocker 17:50:02 <coremodule> it's just one per the bug 17:50:14 <nielsenb> Bug says "and other" :) 17:50:15 <coremodule> https://bugzilla-attachments.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1870004 17:50:28 <kparal> "The "Installing software" and other strings that are displayed next to the spinner" 17:51:14 <kparal> so let's make it +1FE and I'll sneakily propose it as a blocker, and perhaps it gets closed before the next blocker meeting 17:51:30 <kparal> and if it doesn't, we have to figure out how many strings are broken 17:51:30 <lruzicka> Does it say which language? 17:51:42 <lruzicka> I can take a look. 17:51:54 <kparal> nope 17:52:01 <coremodule> #agreed 2071098 – AcceptedFreezeException – The decision to classify this bug as an "AcceptedFreezeException (Final)" was made as it is a noticeable issue that cannot be fixed with an update. 17:52:42 <coremodule> alright, that's all the proposed bugs 17:52:58 <coremodule> #topic Open Floor 17:53:42 <frantisekz> guys, if you have some time, please give a https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-c43760a865 try/karma it 17:54:03 <frantisekz> you can just grab packages from updates/testing, just qt-creator is different since the karma reset 17:54:13 <lruzicka> kparal, it looks like there are several strings when "Zahájit instalaci" is pressed. 17:54:25 <lruzicka> The comments above the progress bar are in English 17:54:36 <OnuralpSezer[m]1> frantisekz: please take look kde-meeting If you can (please :) ) 17:55:07 <coremodule> thanks for sticking around kparal, even though you tried to go afk at the beginning of the meeting :) 17:55:19 <kparal> also, everyone, please help us completely fill out this 17:55:20 <kparal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_36_Branched_20220401.n.0_Summary 17:55:47 <coremodule> I plan to do the aarch64 stuff later today 17:55:52 <kparal> coremodule: averted a few family crises, could stay, win 17:56:11 <coremodule> alright everyone, thanks for coming 17:56:16 <coremodule> #endmeeting