#fedora-blocker-review: F38-blocker-review

Meeting started by adamw at 16:00:16 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

  1. Roll Call (adamw, 16:00:26)
  2. Introduction (adamw, 16:06:35)
    1. Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (adamw, 16:06:45)
    2. We'll be following the process outlined at: (adamw, 16:06:48)
    3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (adamw, 16:06:51)
    4. The bugs up for review today are available at: (adamw, 16:06:53)
    5. http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (adamw, 16:06:55)
    6. The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (adamw, 16:06:58)
    7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria (adamw, 16:07:00)
    8. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_38_Beta_Release_Criteria (adamw, 16:07:04)
    9. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_38_Final_Release_Criteria (adamw, 16:07:07)
    10. for Final, we have: (adamw, 16:07:11)
    11. 8 Proposed Blockers (adamw, 16:07:12)
    12. 7 Accepted Blockers (adamw, 16:07:16)
    13. 3 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (adamw, 16:07:18)
    14. 8 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (adamw, 16:07:21)
    15. adamw will secretarialize if coremodule doesn't make it (adamw, 16:07:33)

  3. Proposed Final blockers (adamw, 16:08:51)
  4. (2179535) FFmpeg version 6 seems not to be supported (adamw, 16:09:16)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2179535 (adamw, 16:09:19)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1117 (adamw, 16:09:28)
    3. Proposed Blocker, firefox, POST (adamw, 16:09:28)
    4. https://tools.woolyss.com/html5-audio-video-tester/ (geraldosimiao, 16:25:33)
    5. AGREED: 2179535 - punt (delay decision) - we will punt on this to see if affected folks can come up with a more precise explanation of exactly what this breaks so we can evaluate if it really constitutes 'basic functionality' (adamw, 16:30:36)

  5. (2177153) crash data are erased occasionally (adamw, 16:30:43)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177153 (adamw, 16:30:45)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1104 (adamw, 16:30:48)
    3. Proposed Blocker, gnome-abrt, NEW (adamw, 16:30:51)
    4. Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,1,-5) (geraldosimiao, -catanzaro, -lruzicka, -frantisekz, -kparal, -bcotton) (adamw, 16:30:53)
    5. AGREED: 2177153 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is currently rejected as we don't have strong enough evidence there's a reproducible widespread issue here. we can reconsider the vote if more information emerges (adamw, 16:37:45)

  6. (2177993) Crash/Hang when clicking a modified Google event right after editing it (due to the preview popover) (adamw, 16:37:59)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177993 (adamw, 16:38:03)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1097 (adamw, 16:38:09)
    3. Proposed Blocker, gnome-calendar, NEW (adamw, 16:38:12)
    4. Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,1,-4) (+lruzicka, +geraldosimiao, bcotton, -aday, -frantisekz, -adamwill, -kparal) (adamw, 16:38:14)
    5. Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+bcotton) (adamw, 16:38:17)
    6. AGREED: 2177993 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected as not meeting the "basic functionality" definition (adamw, 16:43:35)

  7. (2180047) Automatic suspend also suspends virtual machines, can't be resumed (adamw, 16:49:13)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2180047 (adamw, 16:49:17)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1120 (adamw, 16:49:20)
    3. Proposed Blocker, gnome-settings-daemon, NEW (adamw, 16:49:22)
    4. AGREED: 2180047 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of the Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release", on the basis that a guest VM that autosuspends after 20 minutes of inactivity and cannot be recovered is sufficiently non-functional to violate that requirement (adamw, 16:59:03)

  8. (2179889) Cascade menus open outside of the visible screen when close to that position. (adamw, 16:59:20)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2179889 (adamw, 16:59:22)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1118 (adamw, 16:59:25)
    3. Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (adamw, 16:59:28)
    4. Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-2) (-lruzicka, -kparal) (adamw, 16:59:31)
    5. Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+lruzicka) (adamw, 16:59:36)
    6. AGREED: 2179889 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected as it does not seem to be easily reproducible at all, many folks have now tried and not managed. assuming it's an odd corner case of the handling for this scenario not working properly, that's not serious enough to violate any criteria (adamw, 17:13:51)

  9. (2178167) Fullscreen mode is broken for many games (adamw, 17:13:57)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2178167 (adamw, 17:14:00)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1102 (adamw, 17:14:02)
    3. Proposed Blocker, mutter, POST (adamw, 17:14:06)
    4. Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+4,0,-0) (+lruzicka, +geraldosimiao, +bcotton, +frantisekz) (adamw, 17:14:07)
    5. AGREED: 2178167 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted under the proposed criterion from kparal (see above for link). there is still some discussion about tweaking the wording and what is blocked at beta vs. what's blocked at final, but there is strong consensus the criterion should cover this functionality at Final (adamw, 17:24:10)

  10. (2179998) sddm-wayland-plasma freezes for a while at boot time (adamw, 17:24:17)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2179998 (adamw, 17:24:20)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1119 (adamw, 17:24:25)
    3. Proposed Blocker, sddm, NEW (adamw, 17:24:26)
    4. Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao) (adamw, 17:24:27)
    5. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2180100 (geraldosimiao, 17:45:14)
    6. AGREED: 2179998 - punt (delay decision) - we agreed to delay the decision on this one to see if we can get a better idea of exactly what causes the delay, and hence how widespread this is likely to be. current testing seems to indicate the pause doesn't affect everyone, and can be quite short (adamw, 17:46:58)

  11. (2178971) xdg-desktop-portal-kde is launching and crashing when SDDM launches the Wayland greeter (adamw, 17:47:54)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2178971 (adamw, 17:48:00)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1113 (adamw, 17:48:06)
    3. Proposed Blocker, xdg-desktop-portal-kde, MODIFIED (adamw, 17:48:09)
    4. Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-1) (-frantisekz) (adamw, 17:48:12)
    5. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2178971#c5 (adamw, 17:58:08)
    6. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2129479 (adamw, 17:58:30)
    7. AGREED: 2178971 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this does not meet any criteria (this is not a failed 'system service' as proposed), so it's rejected as a blocker. However, it's accepted as an FE to clean up these crashes in live environments and first boots after install, although we likely would not take a new git snapshot during freeze (adamw, 18:05:44)

  12. (2180100) At sddm-wayland-plasma icons to reboot, shutdown, other dissapear and reapear (adamw, 18:06:06)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2180100 (adamw, 18:06:08)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1121 (adamw, 18:06:10)
    3. Proposed Blocker, sddm, NEW (adamw, 18:06:14)
    4. AGREED: 2180100 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of Beta criterion "Shutting down, rebooting, logging in and logging out must work using standard console commands and the mechanisms offered (if any) by all release-blocking desktops", as such options are intended to be available in SDDM as part of KDE, but they cannot be used properly due to this bug (adamw, 18:25:13)

  13. Proposed Final freeze exceptions (adamw, 18:26:21)
  14. (2178389) Qt application render very thin fonts after switch to VF version of Noto CJK fonts (adamw, 18:26:28)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2178389 (adamw, 18:26:31)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1116 (adamw, 18:26:37)
    3. Proposed Freeze Exceptions, qt5-qtbase, ASSIGNED (adamw, 18:26:43)
    4. AGREED: 2178389 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this looks bad for CJK users, and could easily be experienced on live images or first boot after install so cannot be fully addressed by an update (adamw, 18:29:33)
    5. the punt decision for 2179998 is assumed to apply to FE status also, so moving on to (adamw, 18:30:27)

  15. (2177722) systemd-oomd extremely aggressive in killing non-DE logins (sshd or console) and any commands running in them (adamw, 18:30:33)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177722 (adamw, 18:30:36)
    2. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1090 (adamw, 18:30:38)
    3. Proposed Freeze Exceptions, systemd, NEW (adamw, 18:30:41)
    4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_38_Beta_Release_Criteria#Expected_installed_system_boot_behavior (geraldosimiao, 18:39:52)
    5. AGREED: 2177722 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is considered a serious enough potential problem for initial update after install that we should try to fix it for release (adamw, 18:48:18)

  16. Open floor (adamw, 18:48:28)
    1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016563 (geraldosimiao, 18:49:02)
    2. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/spice/linux/vd_agent/-/issues/26 (geraldosimiao, 18:52:40)


Meeting ended at 18:57:23 UTC (full logs).

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