19:00:08 <jreznik> #startmeeting Fedora Board Meeting --- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2011-01-17
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19:00:50 <rdieter> hola
19:00:56 <jsmith> #meetingname Fedora Board
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19:01:07 <abadger1999> hehe
19:01:19 <abadger1999> too many cooks :-)
19:01:28 <jsmith> No worries
19:01:40 <jreznik> abadger1999: feel free to cook to - it's going to be hard today :)
19:02:03 <jreznik> #topic Roll call
19:02:09 <jreznik> Who's present today?
19:02:09 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
19:02:09 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
19:02:14 * spot is here
19:02:15 * jds2001 here
19:02:26 <rdieter> here
19:02:27 * DiscordianUK 
19:02:28 <jds2001> (for a few minutes only)
19:02:41 <smooge> I am here
19:02:46 <liknus> (oops you don;t do the .fas thing :P )
19:02:50 * abadger1999 here
19:02:50 * cwickert is here and lurks
19:03:00 <spot> liknus: no, but it is an interesting idea. :)
19:03:01 * kital is here but very unfocused today :S
19:03:07 * jsmith is here
19:03:26 <liknus> spot, it is heavily used in Ambassadors meetings
19:03:45 * mizmo here
19:04:30 * ke4qqq is here
19:04:51 <jreznik> #info jreznik jsmith abadger1999 spot jds2001 rdieter DiscordianUK smooge kital mizmo ke4qqq present, cwickert lurking
19:05:05 <jreznik> anyone else we are waiting for?
19:05:25 <jsmith> I don't think so -- let's go ahead and get started
19:05:41 <jreznik> just a reminder - meeting rules
19:05:43 <jreznik> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC
19:05:58 <jsmith> So first of all, I'd like to welcome everyone and say "thank you" for coming :-)
19:06:29 <jsmith> The goal of today's meeting is to discuss some broader (multi-release) goals.
19:06:53 <jsmith> The Fedora Board has spent the last couple of months working on a list of our own goals (the "infamous 15")
19:07:05 <jsmith> That being said, none of us is as smart as all of us
19:07:23 <jsmith> So we wanted to reach out to other groups (FAmSCo, FESCo, SIGs, etc.) and get their input as well
19:07:43 <jreznik> #topic Fedora strategic goals discussion (with FAmSCo)
19:07:57 <jsmith> Let me point out that we're not limiting ourselves just to the 15 goals listed by the Board, but any other goals that FAmSCo might be interested in :-)
19:08:02 <spot> !
19:08:14 <jsmith> => spot
19:08:27 <spot> Okay, a few points that are worth making:
19:08:42 <spot> #1: This is the list of goals along with some useful examples https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2010-12-13#Suggested_Goals_in_more_detail:
19:09:17 <jds2001> !
19:09:19 <spot> #2: The input we most want from you is not necessarily what you think would be coolest, but rather, which goals you think you would be able and excited about doing.
19:09:28 <spot> eof
19:09:36 <jreznik> => jds2001
19:09:57 <jds2001> also, the examples mentioned don't necessarily mean anything other than "this is what we thought of"
19:10:04 <mizmo> !
19:10:21 <jds2001> please feel free to come up with things not on the list of examples that would be in furtherance of the goals
19:10:25 <jds2001> eof
19:10:31 <jreznik> => mizmo
19:11:00 <mizmo> i just wanted to note that the board didn't come up with the goals entirely, there was an open discussion on #advisory-board where many of the ideas were gathered from
19:11:00 <mizmo> eof
19:11:11 <mizmo> (er advisory-board-list)
19:11:48 <liknus> !
19:11:54 <cwickert> !
19:11:57 <jreznik> => liknus
19:12:01 <liknus> Shall we get started with input from FAmSCo?
19:12:05 <liknus> eof
19:12:09 <spot> +1
19:12:12 <jds2001> +1
19:12:22 <jreznik> liknus: +1
19:12:45 <liknus> Ok then,
19:13:19 <liknus> Hello all, I am Pierros Chair of FAmSCo and I will begin apologizing on behalf of the rest of famsco who could not attend this meeting
19:13:44 <liknus> We had a special meeting on discussing the goals set by the Board
19:13:51 <liknus> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-01-15/famsco.2011-01-15-13.06.html
19:14:15 <liknus> and we ended up with Suggestions, Additions and some proposed ownership
19:14:40 <liknus> All those are written also here (in bold italics) :
19:14:41 <liknus> http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011
19:14:59 <liknus> (and are part of our meeting's minutes)
19:15:09 <mizmo> ?
19:15:20 <liknus> mizmo, please go ahead
19:15:30 <mizmo> the pirate pad says "Five highest ranked goals according to Board" ... so FESCo didn't pick those 5?
19:15:32 <mizmo> eof
19:16:03 <liknus> mizmo, those goals are taken from the wiki page :
19:16:13 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_goals_2011
19:16:20 <jreznik> #info FAmSCo prepared suggestions, additions and proposed ownership for goals - http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011
19:16:24 <mizmo> ?
19:16:34 <liknus> According to FAmSCo those are indeed the goals we should focus
19:16:41 <liknus> => mizmo
19:17:05 <mizmo> were the other 10 goals evaluated by FAmSCo as well?
19:17:08 <mizmo> eof
19:18:19 <liknus> mizmo, we focused only on those 5, as we believe that having widely published many goals will lead to confusion and not-focused work done
19:18:38 <mizmo> !
19:18:43 <liknus> mizmo,
19:18:49 <mizmo> i think we have some confusion here
19:18:54 <mizmo> the board came up with a list of 15 example goals
19:18:57 <mizmo> they are not exhaustive
19:19:32 <mizmo> (i am pretty sure) we were looking to see which of the 15 FAmSCo thought would be most important to pursue over the next two releases, and if we missed any to propose additional ones
19:19:38 <spot> mizmo: +1
19:19:43 <jds2001> mizmo: +1
19:20:05 <mizmo> absolutely agreed having > 5 set as the goals is going to be too confusing and simply not possible to achieve
19:20:19 <jreznik> mizmo: +1
19:20:34 <mizmo> at this point though we're looking to figure out which of the 15+others are the most important, and we were look for famsco's perspective on what 3-5 goals they thought most important
19:20:35 <mizmo> eof
19:20:40 <liknus> Famsco saw the 15 ones and ended up reallizing that the already "high ranked" ones suit us OK
19:20:55 <abadger1999> ?
19:20:58 <liknus> abadger1999,
19:21:28 <abadger1999> What ranking did FAMSCo assign to those five?  (The Board will likely further narrow it down to 2-3 goals before htis is done).
19:21:30 <liknus> (also out of those 5 we think that some are more important than ithers)
19:21:43 <liknus> exactly abadger1999 I will come to that
19:22:25 <liknus> So starting, as a general notice, we feel that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also)
19:22:38 <liknus> that way we can assess the success or any blockers along the way
19:22:54 <spot> !
19:23:00 <liknus> => spot
19:23:22 <jreznik> #info FAmSCo feels that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also)
19:23:44 <spot> liknus: that makes sense, but to be clear, we would be looking to groups like FAMSCo to identify those deliverables and action items for themselves, with the understanding that other groups may also have deliverables/action items for the same goal
19:23:54 <spot> as opposed to mandating it from the Board down.
19:23:55 <spot> eof
19:23:57 <rdieter> !
19:24:19 <jreznik> => rdieter
19:24:25 <liknus> spot, glad to hear :) We were thinking of the same approach
19:24:52 <rdieter> in addition, at this point, consider these just strategic goals, without specific implementations.  that comes later (by various groups within fedora as spot mentioned).
19:24:53 <mizmo> spot +1
19:25:00 <rdieter> eof
19:25:15 <spot> rdieter: +1
19:25:22 <jreznik> rdieter, spot: +1
19:25:29 <jsmith> rdieter: +1
19:25:47 <liknus> totally understood that's why part of our suggestions are simply refining and second stage approach on the goals
19:26:12 <liknus> Shall I move in detail discussion over each goal?
19:26:20 <spot> +1
19:26:22 <mizmo> liknus +1
19:26:23 <jsmith> +1
19:26:26 <abadger1999> +1
19:26:26 <jreznik> liknus: go ahead!
19:26:33 <liknus> OK so Goal #
19:26:40 <liknus> Goal #1
19:26:50 <jreznik> #topic Goal #1 (FAmSCo)
19:27:21 <liknus> We can live with a smaller name (as in all Goals) sth like Improve and Simplify Collaboration
19:27:59 <liknus> We think that scheduling and events application is a key part in achieving this goal
19:28:27 <liknus> this is something that was long debated within fedora and we still have not reached a conclusion
19:29:14 <liknus> So as a suggestion we feel that by the end of 2011 we should have a good calendaring solution, either within Fedora Community Portal or through an modified wiki page
19:29:27 <liknus> (We are working on the second one as FAmSCo)
19:29:36 <igorps> !
19:29:42 <liknus> igorps,
19:29:53 <jreznik> #topic Goal #1 - Improve and simplify collaboration in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)
19:30:06 <igorps> We also think that meeting face to face is important
19:30:14 <igorps> for all SCos
19:30:24 <liknus> (and that is our second addition on Goal #1)
19:30:34 <igorps> and we could do that on FUDCons around the world
19:30:40 <rockworldmi> !
19:30:45 <igorps> eof
19:30:50 <jreznik> => rockworldmi
19:30:53 <rockworldmi> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Team_meeting_schedule_applet
19:31:22 <liknus> Calendaring solution should be also focused on our events
19:31:25 <liknus> not only meetings
19:31:31 <igorps> +1
19:31:37 <rockworldmi> but i think there will be better option for gnome 3's availability..default calendar can be itegrated for meeting's schedules
19:31:55 <rockworldmi> linkus:ou are right
19:31:59 <rockworldmi> eof
19:32:01 <liknus> Anyway returning on what igorps brought up
19:32:08 <liknus> The basic idea behind this is :
19:32:41 <liknus> At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon
19:33:06 <jreznik> #idea At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon
19:33:21 <liknus> that way we #1 improve SCo collaboration and #2 improve the level of FUDCons
19:33:36 <jreznik> liknus: +1, I like it
19:34:03 <liknus> also by having them around the world will significally lower the budget as SCos are distributed around the globe
19:34:20 <rockworldmi> linkus:+1
19:34:27 <liknus> We can make sure this happens within 2011 also (there is still plenty of time)
19:34:35 <igorps> !
19:34:43 <liknus> igorps,
19:35:07 <igorps> I suggests that one idea is to start with the upcoming FUDCon Panama
19:35:15 <igorps> in May
19:35:26 <igorps> we still can manage time for that
19:35:37 <spot> !
19:35:38 <igorps> but this is just one first idea
19:35:43 <igorps> eof
19:35:46 <jreznik> => spot
19:36:08 <spot> This is useful, just keep in mind that we're not committing to anything yet. :)
19:36:10 <spot> eof
19:36:40 <liknus> none asked for commission :) we understand that this needs serious thought :)
19:36:46 <igorps> +1
19:36:50 <liknus> Shall I move to the next goal?
19:36:54 <spot> liknus: +1
19:37:10 <jsmith> liknus: +1
19:37:16 <liknus> Ok Goal #2
19:37:31 <liknus> I am sorry.. it is # 3
19:37:41 <jreznik> #topic GOAL #3: Improve and encourage high-quality communication in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)
19:38:14 <liknus> So we need some more explanations on Summarizers (possibly off the meeting -- on the mailing list? )
19:38:46 <jsmith> Sure.
19:39:00 <mizmo> !
19:39:08 <liknus> => mizmo
19:39:32 <mizmo> just a suggestion, liknus! it might be helpful for us on the board to understand the impact of these goals on ambassadors better if you could give us maybe a summary
19:39:43 <mizmo> of in what ways achieving the goal would positively impact ambassadors
19:39:52 <mizmo> you've done this a little bit so far, especially with the calendaring point
19:40:09 <liknus> ok mizmo I will make sure I do :)
19:40:11 <mizmo> but just a suggestion to point it out clearly / up front
19:40:12 <mizmo> eof
19:40:14 <liknus> So moving on :
19:40:37 <liknus> Ambassadors have vast experience in meetings (regional, local etc ones)
19:41:17 <liknus> So I think that we can benefit from having  nice classrooms on hosting a meeting (and what happens after that -- transparency etc)
19:41:49 <liknus> We are confident we can be owners of such an action item and also in parallel form the appropriate SOPs
19:42:01 <liknus> (we have already started to form Ambassadors SOPs)
19:42:40 <liknus> Also many times, by people with experience in other projects (Gnome, Mozilla) it has been suggested to try out more widely some voice meetings-calls
19:43:22 <liknus> And that bring us to our last addition, that we want to make more people aware of the VoIP capabilities our project has and make more use of them
19:43:39 <liknus> Especially on local meetings (country-wide) we could benefit a lot
19:44:07 <liknus> I think we are done on this Goal
19:44:09 <liknus> moving on?
19:44:14 <spot> liknus: +1
19:44:14 <mizmo> liknus+1
19:44:31 <jreznik> !
19:44:34 <liknus> Goal #4 (should be named "Ease of joining" :)
19:44:43 <liknus> => jreznik
19:45:11 <jreznik> just a quick note -> voip is nice but there's much bigger language barrier (not for local ones)
19:45:13 <jreznik> eof
19:45:54 <liknus> thats why we think that it will be best suited country wise :)
19:46:01 <liknus> So on Goal # 4
19:46:10 <liknus> Ambassadors deal daily with Joining procedures
19:46:35 <jreznik> #topic  GOAL #4: It is extraordinarily easy to join the Fedora community and quickly find a project to work on.  (FAmSCo)
19:46:36 <liknus> One of our main purpose is to facilitate people joining the project (in each subproject)
19:47:37 <liknus> We think that we can lead this Goal and make sure by the end of 2011 we deliver a barrier-free Joining procedure for each project of fedora
19:47:56 <kital> !
19:48:12 <liknus> We have already tested some approaches on Ambassadors and we think they are good enough to be applied in other projects too
19:48:17 <liknus> => kital
19:49:16 <kital> i do not want to dive into details - but i prefer to focus more on mentoring instead on  barrier-free
19:49:39 <kital> just as a side note - i am happy to help with this goal!
19:49:40 <kital> eof
19:49:55 <liknus> kital, of course .. I was simply referring on gathering info.. not on letting "anyone join"
19:50:17 <kital> yep
19:50:33 <igorps> !
19:50:39 <liknus> Also in this spirit we acknowledge that each subproject has its own unique way of working and we understand our organic structure
19:50:57 <liknus> Still we are confident on finding common steps that can be outlined on the same way
19:51:20 <liknus> thus, joining another project can be a familiar procedure for each fedora contributor
19:52:15 <liknus> "Cross joining" or joining multiple projects within Fedora has been always a weird issue, especially in terms of how info is spread within a subproject
19:52:20 <liknus> => igorps
19:52:40 <igorps> One point of view is that Ambassadors should be able to identify contributors's profile and guide them to the subproject that best fits their profiles
19:52:52 <igorps> This an Ambassador role that we need to emphasize a bit more.
19:53:12 <igorps> For instance Ambassadors can guide new contributors to get in touch with subproject mentors
19:53:23 <igorps> eof
19:53:33 <liknus> thanks igorps :)
19:53:40 <kital> +1 igorps
19:54:29 <liknus> Summarizing on this one : "Make Ambassadors profiling and help work easier" :)
19:54:48 <liknus> And I think we are done on this Goal also
19:54:53 <liknus> Moving on?
19:54:59 <igorps> +1
19:55:19 <spot> +1
19:55:23 <jreznik> #topic GOAL #11: Expand global presence of Fedora among users & contributors (FAmSCo)
19:55:24 <liknus> Goal #11 Expand Global Presence
19:55:52 <liknus> ok So generally speaking we can see that Fedora Project global-wise (geographically) has two main issues
19:56:19 <liknus> minimal Africa presence and no APAC wide Events and collaboration of community
19:56:57 <liknus> (I know that those are generallizations and not totally true and we might also have other issues etc but bare with me)
19:57:20 <liknus> We envision a process of event planning like this :
19:57:55 <liknus> Regional FADs (focused on a subject or not) leading up (preparing) FUDCons
19:58:42 <liknus> For us in order to achive our goal having 4 FUDCons on our respective regions annually is of outmost importance
19:59:05 <liknus> FADs can lead the way towards it
19:59:13 <liknus> so in specific:
19:59:34 <liknus> FAD Ghana is on the way and a couple more FADs in Africa can lead on a FUDCON there
19:59:57 <liknus> also FUDCON APAC is a must for 2011 and we hope that Board can help on that direction also
20:00:28 <liknus> (India seems like the place to go by most people I know.. but this can be discussed off-meeting)
20:00:50 <liknus> Also moving on : regional meetings
20:01:01 <mizmo> ?
20:01:09 <liknus> => mizmo
20:01:41 <mizmo> is FAmSCo already pursuing this issue and if so what additional aid/support would you expect from the rest of the project to the ambassadors to help make it happen
20:01:44 <mizmo> eof
20:02:25 <liknus> mizmo, you are referring on FUDCON?
20:03:10 <mizmo> liknus, no, i'm referring to the goal, expand the global presence of fedora
20:03:30 <kital> !
20:03:31 <liknus> Our main concern is the budget approvals and clearance of Community Architecture team
20:03:34 <mizmo> liknus, is famsco already pursuing that goal, and if so, what additional support would you expect / need / require to make it a reality if goal #11 was made one of the fedora goals for 2011
20:03:35 <mizmo> eof
20:04:17 <jreznik> => kital
20:04:21 <liknus> We do, and we are expecting more support on speedy budget decisions
20:04:54 <kital> i also saw that famsco has the goal for a closer team up with marketing-team will you focus marketing activities together with larger event activities
20:04:54 <liknus> (many decisions can take up to 3 months to get a response budget-wise)
20:05:50 <kital> does famsco also consider how much value we get back from our investments in new areas?
20:06:10 <liknus> FUDCon is currently our biggest approach on events and we might end up on something bigger or different with Marketing team
20:06:18 <kital> s/values/contributors/
20:06:21 <liknus> (discussions are yet to come)
20:06:35 <kital> just to make sure that they are related to that goal
20:06:41 <kital> eof
20:07:04 <liknus> Our investments on new areas had been minimal and we can already see major imporvements
20:07:25 <liknus> I can state 3 examples :
20:07:36 <liknus> Australia, Greece and Tunisia
20:07:44 <kital> you forgott china
20:07:46 <kital> ;)
20:08:03 <igorps> I would say Chile as well
20:08:08 <liknus> China is still to be proven but certainly on the right track
20:08:14 <liknus> Chile also
20:08:38 <liknus> So in order to move on with examples like that we need budget and speedy responses on that
20:09:16 <liknus> Also another point on expansion is the primary usage of fedoracommunity.org
20:09:40 <liknus> We want it to be finalized and board to pursue the transition of local presences on this domain
20:09:50 <liknus> (with options of course)
20:10:22 <liknus> Also have a clear policy on Community Hosting
20:10:48 <liknus> Finally we will pursue on our side the participation on local LUGs and Groups
20:11:00 <liknus> Any questions on those points?
20:11:29 <liknus> (is board taking notes? are you going to discuss on them later?)
20:11:39 <mizmo> !
20:11:42 <jsmith> liknus: Yes, we're taking notes :-)
20:11:44 <kital> liknus: vizualization always helps
20:11:46 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f14/
20:11:50 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/
20:12:21 <liknus> thanks kital :)
20:12:28 <liknus> => mizmo
20:12:35 <kital> this can help to measure success or failure
20:12:37 <kital> eof
20:12:46 <mizmo> i think we'll discuss them afterwards too
20:12:52 <mizmo> eof
20:13:30 * kital has to go sorry ;S
20:13:32 <liknus> ok moving on?
20:13:38 * liknus waves to kital
20:13:39 <spot> liknus: +1
20:13:58 <liknus> Goal #12 then
20:14:07 <jreznik> #topic GOAL #12: Improve education & skill sharing in community (FAmSCo)
20:14:29 <liknus> we have nothing in particular to add to this goal as FAmSCo,
20:15:31 <liknus> we do believe though that we can have major beneficial impact by pursuing this goal
20:16:13 <liknus> especially in terms of recruiting, as it can act as luring point for newcomers
20:16:14 <jreznik> #info FAmSCo has nothing to add to the goal #12
20:17:06 <liknus> An active "Classrooms" initiative will help a lot when we make a point about "skills sharing" in public
20:17:32 <rockworldmi> liknus:+1
20:18:31 <liknus> That being said we as famsco pursue the creation of many Ambassador SOPs, transitioning wiki knowledge to specific SOPs
20:18:35 <jsmith> liknus: +1
20:18:56 <spot> !
20:18:59 <liknus> and that was eof for this goal and for FAmSCo input in general
20:19:11 <liknus> thanks all for listening :)
20:19:14 <spot> ?
20:19:15 <liknus> => spot
20:19:41 <spot> my question (ignore my !) is: Is it possible for FAMSCo to rank these goals by preference?
20:20:17 <liknus> A rough approach would be :
20:20:48 <liknus> #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12
20:20:55 <liknus> in order of preference
20:21:09 <liknus> eof
20:21:32 <jreznik> #info FAmSCo preferences are #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12 (in order of preference)
20:21:51 <smooge> ?
20:22:01 <jreznik> => smooge
20:23:00 <smooge> Just to be clear, are these ones that FAMSCo are going to implement themselves in their area, looking to help project wise, or looking for furhter input.
20:23:05 <smooge> eof
20:23:45 <spot> !
20:23:59 <liknus> !
20:24:18 <jsmith> => spot
20:24:58 <jsmith> => liknus
20:25:01 <spot> smooge: thats a very confusing question. We asked FAMSCo to give us feedback on which goals they are most interested in and think they could be involved with. Its a bit early to do that.
20:25:02 <jsmith> (and then we'll come back to spot)
20:25:03 <spot> eof
20:25:16 <smooge> !
20:25:19 <smooge> or ?
20:25:24 <jreznik> => liknus
20:25:57 <liknus> Agreed with spot .. we are willing to head some action items , but we can discuss that when actions are finallized
20:26:16 <liknus> just consider us open and available for some major help :)
20:26:17 <liknus> eof
20:26:24 <jreznik> => smooge
20:26:28 <smooge> my apologies.. I lost track somewhere in the discussion as we got feedback and then project ideas.
20:26:56 <spot> !
20:26:57 <smooge> I was trying to get an idea of what we were to discuss afterworsds.
20:26:58 <smooge> eof
20:27:02 <jreznik> => spot
20:27:32 <spot> to liknus and FAMSCo, thanks for your work here. I hope you are as excited about this new approach as we are.
20:27:33 <spot> eof
20:28:07 <jreznik> spot: +1, thanks FAmSCo for sharing their ideas!
20:28:09 <liknus> We are :) thanks for letting us express that :) We will be with you on all the process
20:28:27 <mizmo> !
20:29:01 <jreznik> => mizmo
20:29:10 <mizmo> im wondering about the board's next steps now
20:29:16 <mizmo> would it be worth a quick discussion?
20:30:02 <spot> !
20:30:06 * liknus will be here the whole meeting so feel free to ask me anything else or just move on
20:30:06 <mizmo> i think we should note FAmSCo's support of the goals, enumerate their specific ideas under each goal, and then document that so when we review the info we've been gathering to whittle down the goals it'll be readily available
20:30:07 <mizmo> eof
20:30:23 <spot> mizmo: +1
20:30:27 <jsmith> mizmo: +1
20:30:37 <jreznik> mizmo: +1 for documenting FAmSCo goals
20:30:49 <jreznik> work for me today
20:30:56 <jreznik> => spot
20:31:42 <spot> jreznik: mizmo basically said what i was going to, except that the next step is to hear what FESCo thinks, and to remind FESCo that we want their feedback from the list of 15, rather than the "5"
20:31:46 <spot> eof
20:31:58 <jsmith> spot: +1
20:32:37 <jreznik> !
20:33:07 <jreznik> I agree with feedback for all goals + more goals
20:33:27 <jreznik> but we want to know what they prefere (and order of preference)
20:33:30 <jreznik> eof
20:35:02 <spot> jreznik: +1
20:35:11 <spot> !
20:35:16 <jreznik> => spot
20:35:45 <spot> jreznik: my point was more that I wanted FESCo to pick their own top five, without assuming that the board's "five" are their set. :)
20:36:05 <spot> not that i'm implying that FAMSCo did that, just wanted to avoid any issue of bias/taint.
20:36:07 <spot> eof
20:36:44 <liknus> (we did partially, but *really* those are the goals we also think should be top-5)
20:36:58 <liknus> (possibly top 4 removing the last one)
20:37:21 * liknus is sorry for not keeping the meeting protocol
20:37:38 * liknus goes into lurk mode
20:37:41 <jsmith> liknus: You're OK :-)
20:38:52 <mizmo> !
20:38:59 <jreznik> => mizmo
20:39:40 <mizmo> hi i just wanted to suggest we end the meeting now, we're at 1 hour 40 min at this point. i think we've covered pretty much everything, so great job
20:39:54 <spot> mizmo: +1
20:40:03 <jsmith> +1
20:40:06 <jreznik> mizmo: +1
20:40:18 <jsmith> Thanks again everyone for your comments and your participation!
20:40:20 <gholms> Thanks, folks!
20:40:41 <abadger1999> Thanks to famsco
20:40:50 <abadger1999> and liknus for representing htem :-)
20:40:52 <jreznik> ok, thanks all!
20:41:11 <jreznik> #endmeeting