19:05:07 <rdieter> #startmeeting Fedora Board Meeting 19:05:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Mar 14 19:05:07 2011 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:07 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:05:24 <rdieter> #topic roll call 19:05:32 <rdieter> who's present today? 19:05:36 * ke4qqq 19:06:21 <rdieter> smooge, ke4qqq, jds2001 : ping'y ping'y 19:06:57 * ke4qqq saw toshio floating around earlier too 19:07:05 <rdieter> abadger1999: ping 19:07:27 <rdieter> jreznik: ping, if you're still alive 19:07:43 * jreznik is here 19:07:54 <jreznik> trying to survive 19:08:05 <smooge> oing 19:08:18 <rdieter> #info rdieter ke4qqq jreznik smooge present 19:08:26 <rdieter> #chair ke4qqq jreznik smooge 19:08:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik ke4qqq rdieter smooge 19:09:06 <rdieter> most others are out and about, busy elsewhere today 19:09:19 <rdieter> #topic agenda 19:09:23 <smooge> spot and jsmit are at sxsw I believe 19:09:39 <rdieter> on to what to today, I forgot to bother to ask jsmith if he had more that naming for us today. 19:09:56 <abadger1999> Hey. In and out. 19:09:58 <abadger1999> I'm currently here. 19:10:14 <rdieter> #info abadger1999 present now too 19:10:31 <rdieter> so besides F16 naming, anything else to cover in this meeting? 19:10:44 <smooge> abadger1999 is at pycon? 19:10:49 <abadger1999> smooge: correct. 19:11:06 <smooge> rdieter, I do not have anything on the governance parts.. 19:11:09 * rdieter checks trac for any low-hanging fruit 19:11:37 <rdieter> smooge: ok, what is on your plate wrt governance anyway? I forget... 19:12:04 <smooge> I was going to move from what we started in FudCon 19:12:34 <smooge> I plan to have a "charter" discussing what we have currently and then people can move from there. 19:13:07 <rdieter> good, I like that direction 19:13:12 <abadger1999> rdieter: Announcing cancellation of meetings is an open ticket -- it's jsut informational and then I'll add that to the meetings page unless someone disagrees. 19:13:36 <smooge> I am trying to find what we had written on the board about problems and solutions but if I can't find it will make it up as I go. 19:14:02 <rdieter> #info smooge to continue working on crafting governance draft 19:14:35 <rdieter> abadger1999: thanks 19:15:08 <rdieter> abadger1999: go for it, I mean, there's not been any comment, but it seems like an obviously good thing to do ... to me. 19:15:25 <abadger1999> Excellent. 19:15:55 <rdieter> #undo 19:15:55 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x2b026147c810> 19:16:02 <rdieter> #action smooge to continue working on crafting governance draft 19:16:07 <rdieter> there, more fancy 19:16:35 <smooge> cool 19:16:37 <rdieter> #action abadger1999 to document procedure for board meeting cancellations 19:17:55 * rdieter is hunting for f16 name url 19:18:41 <jreznik> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 19:19:34 <rdieter> thank you! 19:19:47 <rdieter> #topic F16 names -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 19:20:44 <rdieter> for lack of anything else to do, should we knock out a few of these, looking for trademark collisions, or other reasons to drop from the list... 19:22:08 <ke4qqq> yep.... there are some with acknowledged problems that don't fit the bill to begin with methinks. 19:23:00 <smooge> I know mine of "none" does not fit the bill. but I figured I would represent the people who are wanting names to go away. 19:23:27 <rdieter> represent'in the peeps 19:24:03 <ke4qqq> for instance - hawking is still alive. 19:24:25 <rdieter> lemme see, anything that is NACK'd at this step, what's the procedure then? mark it such in the "Board approved" column of the wiki? 19:24:51 <smooge> ke4qqq, the people have to be dead? 19:24:58 <rdieter> or... how about we just spend this time to chop of the list and delegate each of us to look at a piece? 19:25:10 <ke4qqq> smooge: it says living people will be rejected on the submission page 19:25:17 <rbergeron> The following links will also likely be rejected: 19:25:20 <rbergeron> * Other cities in Nevada * Names of living people * Well-known trademarks 19:25:36 * rbergeron apologizes for disregarding board meeting on irc procedure 19:25:39 <rbergeron> :) 19:26:57 <jreznik> rdieter: +1 19:27:03 <rdieter> rbergeron: there's few enough of us today, I think it's a-ok 19:27:31 * rdieter dubs rbergeron honorary board-member-for-purposes-of-speaking for the duration of the meeting 19:28:16 * rbergeron would suspect that the living person thing likely has to do with that living person being able to come over and scream about how they don't want a totally awesome distro named after them for 6 months of their life 19:28:32 * rbergeron bows to rdieter :) 19:28:50 <rdieter> ok, let's see about the list then. 19:29:04 <ke4qqq> there are 55 names proposed, so relatively easy to dispense them - how do we want to annotate? 19:30:51 <rdieter> ke4qqq: I'd say use the "Board Approved" column, and use OK and NOT OK (+potential reason). 19:31:09 <rdieter> or ACK, NACK, if we want to bike-shed a little 19:31:55 <ke4qqq> ok, so obvious NOT OK is easy - are we dividing, or just attacking them all? 19:32:57 <smooge> how many are here currently ? 19:33:00 <rdieter> let's divide and conquer 19:33:34 <rdieter> and, preferably, do the conquering post-meeting, and save the rest for Q&A or something 19:33:42 <ke4qqq> 4 19:33:49 <ke4qqq> abadger is in and out 19:34:14 <jreznik> maybe it makes sense to go one by one together - as for example - I can't feel "not ok" names because of cultural difference etc. 19:34:34 <rdieter> jreznik: if in doubt, feel free to ask for help/advice, no worries 19:34:53 <rdieter> alright, let's go through a couple perhaps for practice. 19:35:11 <rdieter> Weed 19:36:21 <rdieter> and do the google step of looking for trademark collisions 19:36:52 <rdieter> (unless we want to trust submitters when then filled in the "Tested" column?) 19:37:01 <ke4qqq> hmmmm so i get an interesting problem 19:37:02 <rdieter> well, this is just an example, so... :) 19:37:09 <smooge> Jonas Weed died in 1806 19:37:17 * ke4qqq is at the library ATM - and it won't let me google for weed IT, weed computers, etc. 19:37:39 <rbergeron> lol 19:37:40 <rdieter> ke4qqq: ok, so just follow along with the rest of us for that step. 19:37:54 <ke4qqq> so maybe common sense dictates that something likely to be censored/filtered is a bad idea 19:37:54 <smooge> sorry 1676 19:38:07 <rdieter> offhand, I don't see any (obvious) trademark collisions 19:38:27 <smooge> ke4qqq, search for kudzu. it is a weed :) 19:38:57 <ke4qqq> smooge: no need to search, I can see it right outside the window :) 19:39:10 <smooge> Weed Computers & Electronics in California 19:39:48 <smooge> several Tumble Weed software companies 19:39:50 <jreznik> smooge: it's related to Weed city 19:40:09 <jreznik> Weed, CA yellow pages are most of my results 19:40:27 <rdieter> alrighty, looks like a ding, there to me so NACK, any objections? 19:40:29 <smooge> there is a Weed Heights Nevada 19:40:46 <ke4qqq> no objections 19:41:14 <rdieter> oh wait, it's just a place. that's ok, I think. 19:41:34 <jreznik> yep 19:41:37 <rdieter> I thought the business smooge found was called "Weed Computers & Electronics" 19:42:29 <rdieter> and the "is a..." link looks legit. (pending if we want to verify if the claims of founding 2 towns is true) 19:42:41 <smooge> well the Lovelock was a place so I think we want to avoid places in general to keep away from being too similar to the last nameset 19:42:57 <rdieter> true, and linking out of this may be tricky 19:43:02 <smooge> rdieter, I checked. he did found two townships in Mass 19:43:09 <jreznik> There's Weed & Co. LLP "we're experienced in the intricacies of securities and corporate law and" - OK 19:43:14 <smooge> rdieter, the next one would be Kudzu 19:43:30 <rdieter> that's one at least. :) 19:43:33 <jreznik> hh, try to look for "weed company", one of top results "Legalized Medical Marijuana Company Now Public Stock, Really" 19:45:26 <rdieter> not sure if it's worth mentioning *every* Marijuana-related business as related in the "Tested" column, maybe just say there are some. 19:45:37 <smooge> actually to be honest.. without spot here I am not sure we are going to make good progress. 19:45:49 <smooge> normally he can give a "oh yeah like thats gonna fly" 19:46:02 <rbergeron> i think ke4qqq's point about "if it's getting filtered out by filters" that's probably a bad sign. 19:46:14 <rbergeron> we likely don't want people googling for fedora weed and never being able to find it. 19:46:16 <ke4qqq> I still fall back to the 'if it's likely to be censored/filtered' common sense dictates it's a bad idea. 19:46:33 <rdieter> common sense is good too, indeed 19:46:37 <jreznik> but there's opportunity for nice (one flower) theming :) 19:47:58 <ke4qqq> lol 19:48:20 <rdieter> any questions about the name clearing procedure? else, I'd say let's move on to some Q&A before we get too long here 19:48:52 <rdieter> and those with time today, work on the name list as able 19:49:28 <jreznik> home work to go through names + fab list? 19:50:11 <rdieter> #action board members with time/energy please work through f16 name list as you're able 19:50:33 <rdieter> #topic Q and A 19:50:49 <rdieter> any other business or questions for the board ? 19:50:53 <smooge> well who gets which ones 19:51:23 <ke4qqq> 14 a piece?? /me volunteers for 15-29 :) 19:51:36 <spevack> I have a comment, when you get to open floor. 19:52:29 <ke4qqq> spevack: go for it. 19:52:40 <spevack> .---. __ 19:52:43 <spevack> , / \ \ |||| 19:52:46 <spevack> \\\\ |O___O | | \\|||| 19:52:48 <spevack> \ // | \_/ | | \ / 19:52:51 <spevack> '--/----/| / | |-' 19:52:53 <spevack> // // / -----' 19:52:56 <spevack> // \\ / / 19:52:58 <spevack> // // / / 19:53:01 <spevack> // \\ / / 19:53:03 <spevack> // // / / 19:53:06 <spevack> /| ' / / 19:53:08 <spevack> //\___/ / 19:53:11 <spevack> // ||\ / 19:53:14 <spevack> \\_ || '---' 19:53:16 <spevack> /' / \\_.- 19:53:19 <spevack> / / --| | 19:53:21 <spevack> '-' | | 19:53:24 <spevack> '-' 19:53:26 <spevack> EOF 19:53:38 <ke4qqq> that was a mouthful 19:54:31 <rdieter> come to think of it, honestly, will mr beefy have any real competition? (provided it clears vetting) 19:54:51 <rbergeron> I don't know that anyone can ketchup at this point 19:54:59 * rdieter groans 19:55:12 <rdieter> set that one up 19:56:06 * ke4qqq is shocked that the BeefyMiracle seems more popular than even bacon has been in past years....and zod before that... I think no one (save legal perhaps) can stand in the way of the beefy miracle 19:56:07 <rdieter> #info spevack censured for beefymiracle paste spam (kudos) 19:56:31 <smooge> spevack, wow.. that looks really awful in proportional fonts 19:56:54 <smooge> none 19:56:58 <spevack> ke4qqq: i also noticed one of the name options was "Cunningham" which is the last name of red hat's general counsel :) 19:57:14 <rbergeron> there is an a-bun-dance of names - perhaps there will be a slight amount of competition 19:57:50 <spevack> smooge: but it looks AWESOME in monospace ;) 19:58:06 <spevack> credit to notting for the design, btw 19:58:53 <ke4qqq> spevack: I've conditionally notified our marriott contact to reserve the cricket field for your event. :) 19:59:19 <rdieter> top of the hour is drawing near... I'll close the meeting in 2 minutes, if there's no other business. 19:59:26 <smooge> spevack, I don't doubt.. It looks like a frog on a fork 19:59:29 <smooge> have to leave now 20:00:20 <spevack> ke4qqq: your ability to think ahead in that way is part of the reason why you are such an excellent Fedora Board member. I commend you, sir. 20:00:42 <spevack> rdieter: i don't relish my censure, but I will accept it as part of my duties to the Meat SIG. 20:01:14 <rdieter> we should take this show on the road 20:01:30 <rdieter> good stuff, thanks everybody! 20:01:33 <rdieter> #endmeeting