19:05:07 #startmeeting Fedora Board Meeting 19:05:07 Meeting started Mon Mar 14 19:05:07 2011 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:05:24 #topic roll call 19:05:32 who's present today? 19:05:36 * ke4qqq 19:06:21 smooge, ke4qqq, jds2001 : ping'y ping'y 19:06:57 * ke4qqq saw toshio floating around earlier too 19:07:05 abadger1999: ping 19:07:27 jreznik: ping, if you're still alive 19:07:43 * jreznik is here 19:07:54 trying to survive 19:08:05 oing 19:08:18 #info rdieter ke4qqq jreznik smooge present 19:08:26 #chair ke4qqq jreznik smooge 19:08:26 Current chairs: jreznik ke4qqq rdieter smooge 19:09:06 most others are out and about, busy elsewhere today 19:09:19 #topic agenda 19:09:23 spot and jsmit are at sxsw I believe 19:09:39 on to what to today, I forgot to bother to ask jsmith if he had more that naming for us today. 19:09:56 Hey. In and out. 19:09:58 I'm currently here. 19:10:14 #info abadger1999 present now too 19:10:31 so besides F16 naming, anything else to cover in this meeting? 19:10:44 abadger1999 is at pycon? 19:10:49 smooge: correct. 19:11:06 rdieter, I do not have anything on the governance parts.. 19:11:09 * rdieter checks trac for any low-hanging fruit 19:11:37 smooge: ok, what is on your plate wrt governance anyway? I forget... 19:12:04 I was going to move from what we started in FudCon 19:12:34 I plan to have a "charter" discussing what we have currently and then people can move from there. 19:13:07 good, I like that direction 19:13:12 rdieter: Announcing cancellation of meetings is an open ticket -- it's jsut informational and then I'll add that to the meetings page unless someone disagrees. 19:13:36 I am trying to find what we had written on the board about problems and solutions but if I can't find it will make it up as I go. 19:14:02 #info smooge to continue working on crafting governance draft 19:14:35 abadger1999: thanks 19:15:08 abadger1999: go for it, I mean, there's not been any comment, but it seems like an obviously good thing to do ... to me. 19:15:25 Excellent. 19:15:55 #undo 19:15:55 Removing item from minutes: 19:16:02 #action smooge to continue working on crafting governance draft 19:16:07 there, more fancy 19:16:35 cool 19:16:37 #action abadger1999 to document procedure for board meeting cancellations 19:17:55 * rdieter is hunting for f16 name url 19:18:41 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 19:19:34 thank you! 19:19:47 #topic F16 names -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 19:20:44 for lack of anything else to do, should we knock out a few of these, looking for trademark collisions, or other reasons to drop from the list... 19:22:08 yep.... there are some with acknowledged problems that don't fit the bill to begin with methinks. 19:23:00 I know mine of "none" does not fit the bill. but I figured I would represent the people who are wanting names to go away. 19:23:27 represent'in the peeps 19:24:03 for instance - hawking is still alive. 19:24:25 lemme see, anything that is NACK'd at this step, what's the procedure then? mark it such in the "Board approved" column of the wiki? 19:24:51 ke4qqq, the people have to be dead? 19:24:58 or... how about we just spend this time to chop of the list and delegate each of us to look at a piece? 19:25:10 smooge: it says living people will be rejected on the submission page 19:25:17 The following links will also likely be rejected: 19:25:20 * Other cities in Nevada * Names of living people * Well-known trademarks 19:25:36 * rbergeron apologizes for disregarding board meeting on irc procedure 19:25:39 :) 19:26:57 rdieter: +1 19:27:03 rbergeron: there's few enough of us today, I think it's a-ok 19:27:31 * rdieter dubs rbergeron honorary board-member-for-purposes-of-speaking for the duration of the meeting 19:28:16 * rbergeron would suspect that the living person thing likely has to do with that living person being able to come over and scream about how they don't want a totally awesome distro named after them for 6 months of their life 19:28:32 * rbergeron bows to rdieter :) 19:28:50 ok, let's see about the list then. 19:29:04 there are 55 names proposed, so relatively easy to dispense them - how do we want to annotate? 19:30:51 ke4qqq: I'd say use the "Board Approved" column, and use OK and NOT OK (+potential reason). 19:31:09 or ACK, NACK, if we want to bike-shed a little 19:31:55 ok, so obvious NOT OK is easy - are we dividing, or just attacking them all? 19:32:57 how many are here currently ? 19:33:00 let's divide and conquer 19:33:34 and, preferably, do the conquering post-meeting, and save the rest for Q&A or something 19:33:42 4 19:33:49 abadger is in and out 19:34:14 maybe it makes sense to go one by one together - as for example - I can't feel "not ok" names because of cultural difference etc. 19:34:34 jreznik: if in doubt, feel free to ask for help/advice, no worries 19:34:53 alright, let's go through a couple perhaps for practice. 19:35:11 Weed 19:36:21 and do the google step of looking for trademark collisions 19:36:52 (unless we want to trust submitters when then filled in the "Tested" column?) 19:37:01 hmmmm so i get an interesting problem 19:37:02 well, this is just an example, so... :) 19:37:09 Jonas Weed died in 1806 19:37:17 * ke4qqq is at the library ATM - and it won't let me google for weed IT, weed computers, etc. 19:37:39 lol 19:37:40 ke4qqq: ok, so just follow along with the rest of us for that step. 19:37:54 so maybe common sense dictates that something likely to be censored/filtered is a bad idea 19:37:54 sorry 1676 19:38:07 offhand, I don't see any (obvious) trademark collisions 19:38:27 ke4qqq, search for kudzu. it is a weed :) 19:38:57 smooge: no need to search, I can see it right outside the window :) 19:39:10 Weed Computers & Electronics in California 19:39:48 several Tumble Weed software companies 19:39:50 smooge: it's related to Weed city 19:40:09 Weed, CA yellow pages are most of my results 19:40:27 alrighty, looks like a ding, there to me so NACK, any objections? 19:40:29 there is a Weed Heights Nevada 19:40:46 no objections 19:41:14 oh wait, it's just a place. that's ok, I think. 19:41:34 yep 19:41:37 I thought the business smooge found was called "Weed Computers & Electronics" 19:42:29 and the "is a..." link looks legit. (pending if we want to verify if the claims of founding 2 towns is true) 19:42:41 well the Lovelock was a place so I think we want to avoid places in general to keep away from being too similar to the last nameset 19:42:57 true, and linking out of this may be tricky 19:43:02 rdieter, I checked. he did found two townships in Mass 19:43:09 There's Weed & Co. LLP "we're experienced in the intricacies of securities and corporate law and" - OK 19:43:14 rdieter, the next one would be Kudzu 19:43:30 that's one at least. :) 19:43:33 hh, try to look for "weed company", one of top results "Legalized Medical Marijuana Company Now Public Stock, Really" 19:45:26 not sure if it's worth mentioning *every* Marijuana-related business as related in the "Tested" column, maybe just say there are some. 19:45:37 actually to be honest.. without spot here I am not sure we are going to make good progress. 19:45:49 normally he can give a "oh yeah like thats gonna fly" 19:46:02 i think ke4qqq's point about "if it's getting filtered out by filters" that's probably a bad sign. 19:46:14 we likely don't want people googling for fedora weed and never being able to find it. 19:46:16 I still fall back to the 'if it's likely to be censored/filtered' common sense dictates it's a bad idea. 19:46:33 common sense is good too, indeed 19:46:37 but there's opportunity for nice (one flower) theming :) 19:47:58 lol 19:48:20 any questions about the name clearing procedure? else, I'd say let's move on to some Q&A before we get too long here 19:48:52 and those with time today, work on the name list as able 19:49:28 home work to go through names + fab list? 19:50:11 #action board members with time/energy please work through f16 name list as you're able 19:50:33 #topic Q and A 19:50:49 any other business or questions for the board ? 19:50:53 well who gets which ones 19:51:23 14 a piece?? /me volunteers for 15-29 :) 19:51:36 I have a comment, when you get to open floor. 19:52:29 spevack: go for it. 19:52:40 .---. __ 19:52:43 , / \ \ |||| 19:52:46 \\\\ |O___O | | \\|||| 19:52:48 \ // | \_/ | | \ / 19:52:51 '--/----/| / | |-' 19:52:53 // // / -----' 19:52:56 // \\ / / 19:52:58 // // / / 19:53:01 // \\ / / 19:53:03 // // / / 19:53:06 /| ' / / 19:53:08 //\___/ / 19:53:11 // ||\ / 19:53:14 \\_ || '---' 19:53:16 /' / \\_.- 19:53:19 / / --| | 19:53:21 '-' | | 19:53:24 '-' 19:53:26 EOF 19:53:38 that was a mouthful 19:54:31 come to think of it, honestly, will mr beefy have any real competition? (provided it clears vetting) 19:54:51 I don't know that anyone can ketchup at this point 19:54:59 * rdieter groans 19:55:12 set that one up 19:56:06 * ke4qqq is shocked that the BeefyMiracle seems more popular than even bacon has been in past years....and zod before that... I think no one (save legal perhaps) can stand in the way of the beefy miracle 19:56:07 #info spevack censured for beefymiracle paste spam (kudos) 19:56:31 spevack, wow.. that looks really awful in proportional fonts 19:56:54 none 19:56:58 ke4qqq: i also noticed one of the name options was "Cunningham" which is the last name of red hat's general counsel :) 19:57:14 there is an a-bun-dance of names - perhaps there will be a slight amount of competition 19:57:50 smooge: but it looks AWESOME in monospace ;) 19:58:06 credit to notting for the design, btw 19:58:53 spevack: I've conditionally notified our marriott contact to reserve the cricket field for your event. :) 19:59:19 top of the hour is drawing near... I'll close the meeting in 2 minutes, if there's no other business. 19:59:26 spevack, I don't doubt.. It looks like a frog on a fork 19:59:29 have to leave now 20:00:20 ke4qqq: your ability to think ahead in that way is part of the reason why you are such an excellent Fedora Board member. I commend you, sir. 20:00:42 rdieter: i don't relish my censure, but I will accept it as part of my duties to the Meat SIG. 20:01:14 we should take this show on the road 20:01:30 good stuff, thanks everybody! 20:01:33 #endmeeting