16:02:52 <jsmith> #startmeeting Fedora Board public IRC meeting
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16:03:00 <jsmith> #meetingname Fedora Board
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16:03:17 * jds2001 here
16:03:25 <jsmith> #chair jds2001 rdieter abadger1999 gomix ke4qqq kital pbrobinson
16:03:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 gomix jds2001 jsmith ke4qqq kital pbrobinson rdieter
16:03:34 <jsmith> #topic Roll Call
16:03:49 * ke4qqq is here
16:04:17 <abadger1999> buenos días
16:04:47 <jsmith> I'm pretty sure Peter Robinson is out this week due to work travel
16:05:11 <jsmith> and I think Joerg Simon is still in Hungary
16:05:43 <jsmith> So we've got a slightly smaller than normal group today, but that's OK
16:05:54 <jsmith> Just a couple of quick updates, and then we'll move on to open Q and A
16:06:12 <jsmith> #topic Status updates
16:06:44 <jsmith> I've been talking with Red Hat's legal team regarding the questions we asked them, and they still don't have a formal answer ready
16:06:53 * gomix here
16:07:04 <jsmith> #info No formal answer from Red Hat legal to our questions yet, work ongoing
16:08:23 <jsmith> Also, a quick reminder that we have an I18N and L10N Test Week
16:08:30 * cwickert feels reminded of the "asking Red Hat Legal is like asking a black hole" quote
16:08:32 <jsmith> and we'd love to have people help participate in that
16:09:23 <jsmith> #info Reminder to participate in the I18N/L10N Test week
16:09:42 <jsmith> Any other status updates before we move on to open Q and A?
16:11:16 <jsmith> #topic Open Questions and Answers
16:11:55 <jsmith> As a reminder, we ask everyone to please use the protocol as listed at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC#General_Rules
16:12:06 <jsmith> That helps us focus on one topic at a time
16:15:06 * jsmith appears to be having network problems with his ISP
16:15:23 <jds2001> that's ok, you didnt miss anything :)
16:15:32 <jsmith> OK, I'll ask the first question then...
16:15:42 <jsmith> Is having a public IRC meeting every other week too often?
16:16:00 * jsmith doesn't think so, but he'll throw that out for discussion
16:16:10 * jds2001 thinks that the community likes to se us conduct business in the open
16:16:23 * gomix i dont think is too often
16:16:29 <jds2001> it just happens that this week we don't have business to conduct :/
16:16:32 * abadger1999 fine with the IRC meetings
16:17:07 <inode0> !
16:17:08 <abadger1999> If we wanted to reduce meetings, might be better to reduce phone meetings first -- we haven't had a lot of (any?) private business since I've been on the Board.
16:17:25 <jsmith> => inode0
16:18:05 <inode0> as part of the public I can't state too strongly how valuable the public meetings are - even if they are short and uneventful sometimes
16:18:39 <DiscordianUK> its a quiet week here in the UK yesterday was a public holiday
16:19:17 <ke4qqq> +1 abadger1999
16:19:25 <jsmith> inode0: I couldn't agree more
16:19:32 <jsmith> abadger1999: I'm perfectly fine with that :-)
16:19:35 <inode0> from my perspective they are working great, if there is just Q&A and there aren't any Q's feel free to adjourn in a few minutes
16:19:47 <gomix> i actually prefer irc meetings :)
16:20:10 <jds2001> yeah, good for folks where english is not their first language.
16:20:14 <jsmith> Or even, just hang out for an hour...
16:20:19 <gomix> jds2001: thats ME
16:20:28 <jds2001> gomix: "_
16:20:28 <abadger1999> :-)
16:20:31 <jds2001> er, :)
16:20:36 <jsmith> I'd much rather see this time used as much as "open office hours" instead of just formal Q and A
16:20:58 <abadger1999> Fine by me.
16:21:23 <jds2001> what do you mean open office hours?
16:22:19 <jds2001> i mean, inode0 and I (or anyone else) could talk at any time...not just for an hour every two weeks :)
16:22:50 <jds2001> even though these meetings are the rare occasion that I'm on IRC during the work day :)
16:23:18 * inode0 would like to see the professor/student metaphors left behind
16:23:56 <jsmith> Well, the idea is that the board members are here and available to help answer questions or help solve problems
16:24:06 <jds2001> inode0: i dont think that was intentional....
16:24:16 <jsmith> It wasn't intentional
16:24:31 <inode0> open floor, open forum - or any number of things are more neutral and less annoying :)
16:25:17 <Southern_Gentlem> lol
16:26:19 * jsmith didn't intend to be annoying
16:26:29 <inode0> so, what is the board going to do to make sure ddate is preserved as a core component of Fedora?
16:28:00 * ke4qqq would hope that it's a fesco issue and the board isn't going to meddle. :)
16:28:03 <abadger1999> I'm going to add it to robotfindskitten so that it'll reenter core when that gets merged to util-linux.
16:28:45 <abadger1999> :-)
16:28:50 <inode0> some things will rise to the board level and if ddate isn't one of them I can't imagine what they might be :)
16:28:56 <jds2001> kzak dropped ddate?
16:29:27 <inode0> seems he plans to
16:30:00 <DiscordianUK> Oh I think that'd be a shame
16:30:09 <jds2001> it would be.
16:30:48 <jds2001> [jstanley@crusher binutils]$ ddate
16:30:48 <jds2001> Today is Boomtime, the 23rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3177
16:31:00 <DiscordianUK> Indeed
16:36:44 <jds2001> can we get cowsay in core?
16:37:03 <jds2001> it is really an essential utility
16:37:03 * inode0 has lost any hope of doing it through util-linux now
16:37:11 <abadger1999> jds2001: okay, but xcowsay is out :-)
16:37:55 <jds2001> that should be in x11-base
16:39:31 * inode0 thinks about proposing a new standards base because distros without ddate and robotfindskitten really shouldn't exist
16:41:18 <inode0> meetings like these probably mean you guys are doing a good job - keep it up
16:42:30 <jds2001> anyhow, im off to find food.
16:45:58 * abadger1999 sticks around but multi-tasks
16:53:35 <jsmith> I think I'll goa head and close the meeting, as we're almost to the top of the hour, and it doesn't look like we're going to get any more questions
16:53:35 <jsmith> s/goa head/go ahead/
16:53:46 <jsmith> #topic Last call for questions...
16:55:17 <jsmith> OK, if there are no further questions, let's adjourn.
16:55:24 <jsmith> Thanks everyone for your participation
16:55:26 <jsmith> #endmeeting