16:25:14 #startmeeting 2009-11-06 blocker bug review meeting 16:25:14 Meeting started Fri Nov 6 16:25:14 2009 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:25:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:25:21 #topic welcome 16:25:31 welcome to the shortest bug review meeting ever, i am your host adamw, blah &c 16:25:36 I'm jlaska, and it's been 2 days since I filed a blocker bug 16:25:46 *claps* 16:25:59 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529292 16:26:01 Bug 529292: high, low, ---, bskeggs, MODIFIED, Graphics hang with KMS on nVidia 7800GT with FC12 beta RC2 install 16:26:23 so, this is fixed, as three reporters confirm 16:26:26 fourth hasn't tested yet 16:26:29 let's close it! 16:26:35 well, short, but long because we're about to add 2 or 3 blocker bugs 16:27:06 * jlaska takes egg for not properly announcing this event 16:27:40 Oxf13: i don't believe that is permitted =) 16:28:26 #agreed 529292 is closed, fix it. 16:28:28 er 16:28:38 #agreed 529292 is fixed, close it. 16:28:38 :) 16:30:06 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533236 16:30:08 Bug 533236: high, low, ---, xgl-maint, MODIFIED, X server failure with xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.7.1-6 and Radeon X300 16:30:21 tested and fixed on my end 16:31:12 would you be so kind as to post a comment to that effect in the bug? 16:31:23 oops, yes of course 16:32:42 shall I close it out as well, or would you like to get a few more positive results? 16:32:54 just close it (: 16:33:02 Oxf13: sure is tempting! 16:33:05 nah, go ahead, we'll re-open if anyone still hits it 16:33:53 #agreed 533236 is fixed as confirmed by jlaska, he will close it 16:33:56 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474225 16:33:57 okay closed 16:33:57 Bug 474225: urgent, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, MODIFIED, Touchpad doesn't work in installer 16:34:23 this is almost certainly fixed, we're only waiting on testing 16:34:34 i've been trying to catch tirloni when he's online but no joy so far 16:36:05 i guess we just leave it until he shows up 16:36:17 I think so 16:36:21 we could drop it from the blocker list on the basis it's not a 'blocker' any more since we're pretty sure it's fixed? dunno if that's spurious 16:36:34 was it a blocker before? 16:36:47 it's listed as one 16:36:51 i dunno if it really is 16:36:58 it got a free pass since it was in 'modified' quite early 16:37:03 jlaska: adamw: so, the two livecd install issues are work-around-able? 16:37:28 notting: one is actually the glibc corruption bug that's been fixed 16:37:32 notting: I don't have details on the livecd install issues yet 16:37:33 notting: he was using the pre-fix qemu 16:37:57 oh oh ... the previous blocker issues? 16:38:06 yes 16:38:13 warren's apparently may be too small a disk image 16:38:41 are those the two you're thinking of notting? 16:40:44 thats what I saw 16:40:54 it's something of a bug if anaconda doesn't tell you in the liveinst case that your partitions are too small 16:41:01 but I don't think it's a blocker bug 16:41:27 yeah, it's unfortunate but live-with-able 16:41:40 do we have a bz yet, or still inprogress? 16:41:43 and would probably be a bit of an invasive change to plumb in now anyway. plus it'd need translation 16:42:09 i don't think this is anything new, anyway, i'm sure it was the same in previous releases and no-one died. 16:42:31 ah, I understand the issue now 16:42:43 yeah, I think it's perfectly acceptable to document 16:42:52 you're already trashing your disk 16:43:05 i can throw it in common bugs on the reasoning that anaconda not warning you is a 'bug' 16:43:07 so if you hit this issue, reboot (or restart livinst) and follow the documented instructions for partition sizes? 16:43:32 yeah, custom partition to make / big enough to fit, or if you're in a vm, make the disc bigger 16:43:48 apparently the root image is 2.2GB, so basically you need / to be at least that big. 16:44:13 hughsie confirms his issue was the broken qemu, yay. 16:44:39 so, on 474225, should we just drop it on the basis it's not important enough to be a blocker anyway? 16:44:44 workarounds: use the keyboard, plug in a mouse 16:44:53 yeah, drop it 16:45:33 is this one laptop 16:45:36 or a range? 16:45:48 sorry ... just wanna make sure we aren't passing on somethign bigger 16:45:49 i think it's several macbooks 16:46:40 hrmm ... I'd like to keep it on awaiting feedback. Is there harm in that ... and closing it monday? 16:46:46 nah, guess not 16:46:49 I think I'm outvoted anyway ... so that's okay 16:46:59 i'm happy with that if you want to do it that way 16:47:10 unless someone is going to punish oxf13 for the blocker list not being empty or something 16:47:11 but I'll close it out first thing monday morning 16:47:49 ok, let's just do it that way 16:47:52 well, it just seems silly to keep it on if we wouldn't actually slip if its still broken 16:48:01 yeah .. good point 16:48:02 heh 16:48:10 so we decided to slip for this earlier 16:48:16 but now the bar is a little higher 16:48:17 i'm not sure we really _did_ 16:48:22 as i said it always got kind of a free pass 16:48:26 okay 16:48:29 as we were always fairly sure we knew what was going on with it 16:48:31 yeah, you're right 16:48:48 you sold me 16:49:01 request testing again and move to target? 16:49:08 yay agreement 16:49:17 thanks for the hand hold ;) 16:49:28 Oxf13: good for you? 16:49:32 and sorry for the sweaty palms 16:49:53 fine by me 16:50:13 alrighty 16:50:31 #agreed 474225 isn't really a blocker, we gave it a free pass before. we're pretty sure it's fixed, but dropping from the list to target 16:51:19 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533236 16:51:20 Bug 533236: high, low, ---, xgl-maint, CLOSED RAWHIDE, X server failure with xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.7.1-6 and Radeon X300 16:51:27 oh hey lookit that, it got closed! 16:51:32 #agreed 533236 - false alarm 16:51:48 er, i linked the wrong bug 16:51:48 heh 16:52:03 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533363 16:52:05 Bug 533363: medium, low, ---, xgl-maint, NEW, Latest rawhide x server crashing 16:52:06 damn similar numbers 16:53:41 so, this is almost certainly a dupe of 533363 16:53:45 yeah, I agree 16:53:48 same backtrace 16:53:54 the reporter reported with 1.7.1-6 that it's broken and has just reported that 1.7.1-3 works, which matches 16:53:57 the backtrace is the same 16:53:58 same single monitor nouveau reproducer you found 16:54:18 and he hasn't tried 1.7.1-7 yet 16:54:27 i've just added a comment explaining this and asking him to please try 1.7.1-7 16:55:12 so, yeah, i'm not elevating the pantscon level on this one 16:55:23 haha 16:55:29 * jlaska agrees 16:56:55 we invented pantscon levels...day before yesterday I think 16:56:57 it works like defcon 16:57:51 although defcon kind of works, def(ecation)con 16:58:04 heheh, hadn't thought of that 16:58:16 okay, you guys have been up too late for too many nights in a row ;) 16:58:32 #agreed 533363 is almost certainly 533236, adamw is confirming 16:59:12 so that's everything we know about... 16:59:19 except this luks unpleasantness warren is hitting in -devel 16:59:35 yeah ... there will be more bugs coming 16:59:44 jlaska: have we done any encrypted install testing yet, to the point of actually booting the encrypted install? 16:59:50 so ... for completeness, you guys up for a quick review of what we have on th einstaller matrix? 16:59:53 wait that's not everything we know about 16:59:56 adamw: sure have ... no issues found yet 16:59:59 Oxf13: ooh sorry, missed a bit? 17:00:00 I have some issues to bring up 17:00:03 * jlaska as well 17:00:06 please do 17:00:09 #topic open floor 17:00:10 there is install to iscsi failure 17:00:20 right - is there a bug report for that yet, for housekeeping? 17:00:35 which is due to missing dracut-network package on the DVD 17:00:55 I have more, just a sec, need to get kid some drinkm 17:01:10 one sec ... 17:01:20 I was planning to walk through the matrix bugs ... 17:01:23 jlaska: i believe you consider the iscsi bug to be reasonably workaround-able, right? 17:01:38 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533392 17:01:39 Bug 533392: medium, low, ---, notting, NEW, dracut-network not included in F-12-RC1 DVD install 17:02:00 I bring it up because it's a very simple fix and we may need to respin anyway 17:02:05 due to some other issuess I have to bring up 17:02:28 We have two packages with broken deps, /both/ of which exist in some part on the DVD 17:02:40 so the DVD has broken deps, that's not shippable. 17:03:05 if we do need to respin then i'm +1 to fix this at the same time 17:03:23 if one of the broken deps issues is lynx, sorry for bumping it off the blocker list :( i didn't realize exactly how it panned out 17:03:26 We have to respin the DVD set with an updated lynx and gnome-python2-extras 17:03:44 ok, so, one thing at a time 17:03:45 adamw: I didn't know either because the fedora-release-notes which broke its dep wasn't tagged yet 17:03:52 yowch. 17:04:15 i think the position for 533392 is that we wouldn't really block the release for it, but we should take the fix if we're respinning anyway 17:04:19 right? 17:04:30 yeah, nie to have for me 17:05:16 Oxf13: wdyt? 17:05:24 adamw: yes 17:05:27 * adamw notes his short-meeting dreams sailing out the window 17:05:28 okie dokie 17:05:33 tbf, iscsi is just one instance of what this breaks 17:05:40 I think any form of network root would fail 17:05:47 #agreed 533392 is not a blocker, but we will take the fix if we re-spin anyway (which is likely) 17:05:50 yup, this affects any netboot setup 17:05:55 nbb, iscsi, and nfs 17:06:09 ah, k, that is worse 17:06:41 ok, so, the lynx/indexhtml issue is basically https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533004 17:06:43 Bug 533004: medium, high, ---, jmoskovc, NEW, fedora-release-notes obsoleted indexhtml without providing it 17:06:45 so if pushed, I'd actually fall on teh side of it being a blocker 17:07:03 actually with that level of impact i'm inclined to agree, even if it's workaround-able 17:07:25 the workaround could be tricky if you're, say, doing an internal network install from an exploded dvd image with no internet connection available 17:07:34 for some weird reason - sounds insane to me but i'm sure someone has a reason to do it 17:07:36 which, seems rare 17:08:20 'i took the fedora 12 dvd to install in my super-sekrit nuclear bunker and now i'm screwed! am sending this message by semaphore! CURSE FEDORA FOR ME!' 17:08:25 good news is that these aren't really code changes, which shouldn't invalidate any existing testing 17:08:28 right 17:08:33 yes 17:08:46 well, in theory. heh. it _can_ happen, but rather unlikely. 17:09:32 so, i'm +1 to make it a blocker actually, if oxf13 is +1 i guess we do 17:11:44 ok, that's it for issues I'm aware of 17:12:06 jlaska: you had a matrix to go over? 17:12:14 yeah ... let's take a look ... 17:12:18 hold on hold on 17:12:22 we didn't make everything nice and formal 17:12:23 * jlaska waits 17:12:25 gimme a minute here 17:12:29 adamw: you're right, sorry 17:12:41 #agreed 533392 overriding previous agreement, this is a blocker, will be fixed in the respin by including dracut-network 17:13:03 is 533004 the bug for lynx's indexhtml dependency? or is there a separate bug for that? 17:13:25 in either case, if it's a blocker we need to (re)-add the appropriate bug to the blocker list 17:16:08 *crickets* 17:16:25 adamw: there is the bug you dropped from the Blocker yesterday 17:16:27 that would suffice 17:16:29 alright, i propose we update 533004's summary to be more accurate and add it back to the blocker list 17:16:31 and I think we have a build for lynx 17:16:35 yeah, it's in the bug 17:17:47 proposed comment: "as this introduced a broken dep on the DVD - which is not shippable per our release criteria - this should have been a blocker, apologies for dropping it. Updating the summary to reflect the current agreement over what the real issue is here, and re-adding to the blocker list. this will be fixed in an RC re-spin." 17:19:41 worksforme 17:19:49 welcome to the party warren :) sorry we didn't really advertise this meeting in advance 17:19:57 that's my fault ^^^ :( 17:20:23 ok, so 17:20:46 #agreed 533004 goes back on the blocker list with an updated summary as it resulted in a broken dep on the DVD, will be fixed with an updated lynx in the re-spin 17:21:18 this is a prime candidate for the soon to be born project ... "is anaconda broken?" 17:21:24 heh 17:21:30 but, news on that @ 11 17:21:40 so, what's the bug number for the gnome-python-whatthehellever dep? 17:22:02 adamw: there isn't one? 17:22:15 if it's a blocker there really should be 17:22:22 shall we file one quickly? what's the issue? 17:22:39 it has a broken dep on libgdl 17:22:49 we have a fixed package. but it's part of the xulrunner refresh 17:23:04 notting: I'd prefer to get a package that's /not/ part of xulrunner 17:23:10 that's a security update, no? 17:23:25 Oxf13: easier said than done 17:23:43 since it sounds like there's some discussion to be had here that's all the more reason to have a bug report 17:23:43 notting: yes, but taking all of xulrunner deps is going to be world of eww 17:24:09 can someone who's in the know on this issue file one? i don't want to screw up the description 17:25:50 notting: is that something you can help with? 17:26:10 sure, in a minute 17:27:20 i am with oxf13 in wanting a fix that doesn't touch xulrunner if humanly possible 17:27:56 just to be clear - if we take a 'fix' in an updated xulrunner we have to rebuild and take all the other dozen things that depend on xulrunner, right? 17:28:26 * jlaska shivers 17:28:54 * warren notes rpmdiff like would be very usefl here. 17:29:06 warren: talk about rpmqguard 17:29:17 http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/rpmguard-print-important-differences-between-rpms/ 17:30:10 adamw: it's all already built. 17:30:17 adamw: and there's a tag request. 17:30:49 notting: as in, 'take onto the dvd' 17:30:57 yes 17:31:05 but there's no rebuilds we'd have to wait for 17:31:06 I'd have to shove another 8~ packages or so into my side repo 17:31:14 and hope I get the multilib right 17:31:17 it's not the waiting that is worrying :) 17:31:34 and hope that nothing broke in the new firefox et al release 17:31:38 it's the 'shoving multiple rebuilds onto the dvd can't possibly break anything'-ness of it 17:31:53 I'd /really/ rather see those go to updates-testing for a bit 17:32:15 the alternative is untagging thigns from the build root, rebuilding, re-tagging things, and rebuilding *again* 17:32:32 all it would really take is to remove xulrunner from the buildroot, bump/build gnome-python2-extras, tag it, and then put xul back in teh buildroot to build gnome-python2-extras again for the xul update 17:32:38 not really that hard, I can start that right now. 17:32:53 notting: it's /one/ thing in the buildroot to manage 17:33:00 2 builds total. 17:33:25 notting: the advantages are two. a), the thing we're rebuilding is only one thing and less important than xulrunner. b), jesse doesn't have to do the stuff manually in a side repo. right, jesse? 17:33:40 meh. if everyone's going to get the new FF, i'd just ship it. but .. *shrug* 17:33:45 Oxf13: did you tag lynx? 17:33:49 notting: not yet 17:33:53 shall i? 17:34:10 sure 17:34:39 ok, tagging. 17:34:47 #topic Unfiled (HINT HINT) release-blocking xulrunner dependency issue 17:35:12 eh? 17:35:16 the broken dep isn't on XR 17:35:19 and it's filed. P 17:35:22 still waiting for a bug report :) 17:35:24 ah, linky? 17:35:37 bug 533420 17:35:38 (re xulrunner bit: see, that's why i didn't file it myself :>) 17:35:38 Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=533420 medium, low, ---, mbarnes, NEW, broken dep: gnome-python2-gdl-2.25.3-12.fc12.i686 requires libgdl-1.so.2 17:35:40 thanks 17:35:46 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=533420 17:35:47 Bug 533420: medium, low, ---, mbarnes, NEW, broken dep: gnome-python2-gdl-2.25.3-12.fc12.i686 requires libgdl-1.so.2 17:36:15 #info discussion of 533420 occurs *above* its setting as the meeting topic, please read up 17:37:00 Oxf13: don't untag 1.9.1.4 17:37:14 notting: that one is already in the buildroot due to dist-f12 tagging 17:37:19 ah, ok 17:37:22 #agreed 533420 is a release blocker as it's a broken dependency on the DVD spin, a minimum-impact method of sequential rebuilds has been agreed to produce a build that resolves the issue and can be added to the re-spin 17:37:50 yay 17:37:58 #action oxf13 to remove xulrunner from the buildroot, bump/build gnome-python2-extras, tag it, and then put xul back in teh buildroot to build gnome-python2-extras again for the xul update 17:38:23 we should probalby update the comment in the XR tag request, then (as we said we may take it if we respin) 17:38:48 good catch 17:38:59 notting: good point 17:39:11 ok, so, jlaska you wanted to review the matrix? shall i chair you so you can take over for that bit? 17:39:16 notting: i'm updating the bug, can you update the tag request? 17:39:30 adamw: either way, just a few bugs to inspect 17:39:40 #chair jlaska 17:39:40 Current chairs: adamw jlaska 17:39:42 go for it 17:39:43 adamw: closed 17:40:02 okay, let's start with 2 shrinkage issues 17:40:08 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523610 17:40:09 Bug 523610: medium, medium, ---, dcantrell, ASSIGNED, error occured during shrink install 17:40:54 we briefly talked about this before I believe ... 17:41:12 we've discussed this before, i think jlaska and I agree that partition shrinking is just too dicey to take issues in it as blockers much 17:41:14 Hurry has narrowed down a 100% reproducer (see comment#11) 17:41:38 adamw: that's exactly what I wanted to raise 17:41:51 from our testing so far, I don't get the sense that this area is solid yet 17:41:59 we haven't focused on it as much as we are doing now 17:42:07 so I don't have anything to say these are regressions 17:42:13 me either 17:42:22 we have a mix of failures around shrink, along with some successes 17:42:26 haven't pinpointed the commonality yet 17:42:26 did we really do much shrinkage testing in the previous releases? 17:42:32 very little 17:42:42 * jlaska looks at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_11_Test_Results 17:43:02 i did a very similar test to he rui's - i was using the live installer, and didn't have a /boot partition, but an 18GB / and 2GB swap - and that worked fine 17:43:05 we shipped F11 with shrink failures it seem 17:43:12 so...it seems pretty icky area 17:43:16 yeah 17:43:39 yeah, i just think that in practice what we have is nowhere near reliable enough to block the release if it's broken. if it's stuffing up existing data i might be worried, but i don't think we have any cases of that? 17:44:05 I don't think we've looked to make sure the previous data is still intact 17:44:09 but that's something to check 17:44:27 yeah i think we should add a bug report comment 17:44:33 I guess it would be prudent to get the anaconda team's take on this 17:44:38 good point 17:44:45 denise: ping? 17:44:57 adamw, pong 17:45:10 denise: see above - we're discussing shrink failures in anaconda 17:45:21 I just posed the question in #anaconda too 17:45:52 so far jlaska and i are sort of of the opinion that this is messy enough area, and we don't have enough of a proven base of working-ness, not to take shrink failures as blockers generally speaking 17:46:25 imho, I would not see it as blocking 17:46:29 my proposal is more or less that we block only if the function is completely broken - no-one can make it work at all in any circumstance - or for instances where it destroys / corrupts existing data 17:46:37 we wanted to know what your team thinks on that 17:47:04 agree - clumens is off having lunch, he will probably agree 17:47:09 but should check 17:47:19 it is tricky to get correct 17:47:32 and this doenst feel like the time to introduce instability\ 17:47:36 and to get it correct ... 17:47:43 we'd invalidate all storage testing done so far 17:47:48 yeah, it involves poking delicate bits 17:47:50 ^---> or what denise said :) 17:48:00 so ... I'm not in favor of respining for this stuff 17:48:02 for something that isnt truly critical 17:48:10 but I wanted to make sure everyone knew where we are 17:48:55 ok, so shall we agree for now that the policy on shrink issues is more or less as i outlined above, pending clumens' agreement? 17:49:04 +1 17:49:16 Oxf13: notting: how do you feel? 17:49:40 sounds reasonable 17:49:51 alrighty ... 17:50:16 #action denise double checking with clumens for input on installer shrink results 17:50:29 seems fine 17:50:34 shall I toss an #agreed in at this point? 17:50:54 yes 17:51:12 go for it 17:51:20 i do want to just throw a point out there 17:51:25 #agreed present installer shrink bugs are not considered blocker bugs ... addressing them at this time would destabalize storage code 17:51:29 halfline: waddya got? 17:51:31 karmic didn't go over so well 17:51:39 true true 17:51:41 would be good if made sure f12 was pristine 17:52:03 slipping a week to fix even non-critical bugs might be a good idea if they make the release outstanding 17:52:23 while i agree with that, I'm not willing to slip for an indefinite amount of time to fix a very tricky problem which may introduce any number of regressions 17:52:29 provided the fixes are really targeted so they avoid regressions 17:52:32 and that's a long way outside the scope of this meeting 17:52:36 it's almost a policy issue 17:52:43 and slipping a week means slipping more than a week due to thanksgiving 17:52:44 halfline: today we're just working the blockers 17:52:51 okay 17:52:53 halfline: monday we get to talk about slippage 17:53:08 okay ... next bug ... 17:53:13 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533350 17:53:14 Bug 533350: medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, Can't shrink encrypted partition 17:53:17 this is also a shrink bug 17:53:18 on the ubuntu thing, i consider that to be more press cycles at work than anything else; it's counter-productive to worry _too_ much about publicity in and of itself 17:53:19 just wanted to throw it there as a counter to adamw's proposal earlier 17:53:31 I'll ask kparal to provide the installer logs, I don't see them in the bz 17:53:39 but I think the same decision holds 17:54:01 and should this be in CommonBugs? 17:54:20 denise: i can put a fairly general entry in common bugs to the effect of 'don't rely on shrink' 17:54:22 if we go the non-blocker route that is 17:54:35 denise: definitely 17:54:37 thanks adamw 17:54:43 and if this is known to be accurate - you can't shrink any encrypted partition - we can definitely document that specifically 17:55:03 if you could throw the CommonBugs keyword on there that'd be great, it'll make sure we don't miss it 17:55:10 got it 17:55:42 adamw: I still document CommonBugs I've added ... I'm just sloooower 17:55:43 note for both these bugs, we should add comments to check if they have any negative effect on any existing data 17:55:51 or if they just fail without touching it 17:56:12 #info ask for feedback as to whether the existing partitions have lost data 17:56:59 okay next up was the dracut-network issue ... 17:57:01 skipping that 17:57:07 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=533108 17:57:08 Bug 533108: medium, low, ---, xgl-maint, NEW, Unable to switch back and forth between ttys during install 17:57:11 looks like an X issue 17:57:14 nouveau perhaps 17:58:00 others might be familiar with this already ... for me, I'd ask for the versions of xorg-x11-server, kernel and nouveau 17:58:09 this could actually well be fixed in the later stuff 17:58:16 right 17:58:17 i.e. the stuff we tagged yesterday 17:58:35 some of the bugs that got fixed in the last two days would have manifested like this 17:58:43 so we should ask him to re-test with the RC build or later 17:58:49 okay, I'll update the bz asking for updated testing from Hurry 17:58:58 anywhere to track these while we are waitin 17:58:59 g 17:59:09 should we add this to the list awaiting feedback? 17:59:23 i guess 17:59:32 gonna CC myself on this one so i don't lose it 17:59:45 wanna add to X blocker list? 17:59:49 * jlaska will add a comment to the bz 18:00:00 not really, as it's likely a dupe of a bug that's already on there 18:00:05 okay 18:01:25 i couldn't tell which without some logs but frankly it's more useful to get him to test with rc and confirm it's fixed than worry about exactly which bug it is 18:01:52 agreed 18:02:04 her, sorry 18:02:16 #agreed request updated testing from Hurry using latest kernel and xorg-x11-server fixes 18:02:39 lack of sleep is affecting my gender-recognition centres =) 18:02:47 :D 18:02:51 alright, next up 18:02:52 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533123 18:02:53 Bug 533123: medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, CLOSED DUPLICATE, reboot does not work when install from vnc which start from telnet 18:03:06 this is marked as a dupliate to bug#525615 18:03:07 Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=525615 medium, low, ---, clumens, NEW, system can not automatically reboot after exit installer -f12 beta TC 18:03:39 the failure case here is that the installer doesn't exit the same way it did in F-11 after saving a traceback 18:03:58 I think this is relatively low impact 18:04:22 I think we just need guidance from clumens on expectations and what might have caused the change 18:04:25 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525615#c12 18:04:26 Bug 525615: medium, low, ---, clumens, NEW, system can not automatically reboot after exit installer -f12 beta TC 18:05:21 jlaska agreed - we need clumens for this one, aalthough there are a lot of dups 18:05:50 denise: I think we finally narrowed this one down, and I don't think it's severe. Just a changein behavior 18:05:58 that mostly worries me in the sense it means others are hitting exceptions =) 18:06:11 adamw: we were forcing it with this test 18:06:18 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Anaconda_save_traceback_to_bugzilla 18:06:33 l and this was a meh problem, right? 18:06:35 532607 wasn't. but, meh. 18:06:43 this issue in itself, yeah, not a blocker. 18:06:47 adamw: you're right, didn't start out that way 18:06:55 denise: it might be related to the python-meh change, not sure 18:07:53 #agreed 525615 is change in behavior during reboot after a handled exception. Agreed this isn't a blocker list. Clumens will look into whether python-meh may have introduced the changed behavior 18:08:05 #topic open floor 18:08:08 that's all I have 18:08:29 I got nothing else. 18:09:35 alright, so we are go for RC.2 then? 18:09:47 anything we need to summarize around RC.2 ... who has the ball etc...? 18:10:42 i'm a go for rc.2 yep 18:10:52 I've got the gnome-python2-extras build going right now 18:11:11 as a general note there was no wailing and gnashing of teeth on the forums that i can see surrounding the latest bits, so that's encouraging 18:11:15 I'll combine that with the lynx build, and the change in the fedora-install-fedora.ks file to include dracut-network 18:11:34 with those three changes, I think we're set to do RC.2. 18:13:09 Oxf13: okay ... I'll give Liam a heads up 18:13:23 it'll unfortunately take a lot of time for he & Hurry to sync the ISO's 18:13:35 right 18:14:01 i think any RC1 testing should be valid though 18:14:11 adamw: I'm aiming for 114%. 18:14:19 yeah, I've got a discussion going with him now on how to determine what testing to reset 18:14:38 warren: 114% fedora 12 approval rating? :) 18:14:43 looks like I have access to download the ISO's for him ... that will save time 18:15:00 Oxf13: what's your ETA for RC.2? 18:15:00 #agreed everyone is go to spin RC.2 18:15:00 7 hours from now? 18:15:03 jlaska: probably 2~3 hours 18:15:29 oh wow, okay 18:15:39 is alt.fp.org accessible via rsync? i could download the diff between RC.1 and RC.2 faster... 18:15:40 we don't have to get mash involved 18:15:40 same same dirname etc... with just s/2/3/ ? 18:15:53 warren: it is, if you have ssh access and can make some tunnels 18:15:56 jlaska: yep 18:15:57 ah 18:15:58 ok 18:16:47 Oxf13: thx, Liam and Hurry should have the ISO's for them when they arrive Monday morning 18:16:54 k 18:17:01 adamw you started this puppy ... want the honor of ending it too? 18:18:25 alrighty 18:18:32 now ending the longest ever really short meeting =) 18:18:45 thanks all for coming! been a long week 18:18:46 #endmeeting