01:00:04 #startmeeting Learn about exciting Fedora 13 Features 01:00:04 Meeting started Mon May 10 01:00:04 2010 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:04 #topic Introduction 01:00:10 welcome everyone! 01:00:27 * lcafiero hands an apple to the teacher 01:00:35 I'm going to talk about new features coming up in Fedora 13 tonight. 01:00:59 Please do feel free to ask questions on things as I go over them. 01:01:14 First off, what do I mean by Features? 01:01:37 Fedora in recent releases has tried to note and showcase exciting new changes for each release. 01:02:03 So, these are new and exciting things, things that we want to show off and note. 01:02:37 If you want more information about the Feature process you can find it at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy 01:03:23 There are a lot of Features coming up in F13... 01:03:32 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList Is the full list. 01:04:18 So, what I would like to do is start at the top of the list and go down them with a few notes about each, and folks can ask questions as they come. 01:04:46 Anyone have any questions about what features are at a high level or the list? 01:05:15 ok, lets go ahead and start in... as I said there are a lot of features. ;) 01:05:31 #topic Anaconda Storage Filtering 01:05:45 This is the continuation of some work thats happened in f11/f12. 01:06:07 Basically anaconda (the fedora installer/upgrader) is gaining some more storage features. 01:06:47 #topic Automatic Print Driver Installation 01:06:54 This is a nice one. 01:07:09 PackageKit in f13 will be able to detect and install the right drivers for a wide range of printers. 01:07:31 So, printer drivers will be installed when a new printer is plugged in? 01:07:33 why would an installer/upgrader need storage facilities? 01:07:49 ardchoille: yes, for many printers. 01:08:00 that is nice 01:08:04 Indeed 01:08:10 gunther44: it's detetecting and filtering the existing storage on your machine. Ie, what you want to install on, or leave alone, etc. 01:08:25 ah, so if i have existing os' 01:08:54 didn't it do this for f12? 01:08:56 This change with printers allows media to not have to ship all the drivers, they can be installed when you plugin a printer that needs them. 01:08:57 or it does more for f13? 01:09:10 nb: which? printers? or storage? 01:09:15 printers 01:09:22 i manually partitioned my drives to install fedora, but could anaconda take one big partition with windows on, and repartition it automatically? 01:09:32 nb: it didn't in f12 I don't think. 01:09:46 hmm, i must have but just didnt remember it :) 01:10:20 gunther44: lots of info on it at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/AnacondaStorageUI if you want to look through there. ;) 01:10:21 * nb didnt remember installing his but thats fine :) I forget things a lot 01:10:25 sorry for interrupting 01:10:32 Auto Printers: So is the auto driver install just for locally plugged in printers or network descivered printers as well? 01:10:34 no problem. 01:11:13 ISCrow: it uses a IEEE 1284 Device ID string which all of those have. ;) So it's all of them. 01:11:31 * nirik should be posting the links to the feature pages. 01:11:35 This one is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation 01:11:43 awesome 01:12:06 ok, moving along./ 01:12:12 #topic Better Webcam Support 01:12:19 This is just more webcam driver support. 01:12:26 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterWebcamSupportF13 01:12:43 We have been doing a ton of work on new webcam drivers over the last few releases. 01:12:47 This just keeps up the good work. 01:13:18 #topic boot.fedoraproject.org 01:13:22 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/boot.fedoraproject.org 01:13:32 This is an exciting new way to install fedora. ;) 01:13:42 Basically it's a network install using gPXE. 01:14:05 i think the webcam was the only thing that works out of the box in 12 on my laptop ;) 01:14:15 gunther44: good to hear it worked. ;) 01:14:48 So with boot.fedoraproject.org you can do a network install without having to setup a pxe server. 01:15:14 i'd have an issue with that after all the issues with my wifi 01:15:32 Also good for folks who may not be able to dl a large iso 01:15:35 gunther44: you do need a supported network device... but there are lots. 01:15:57 on demand installs are fine, only if it can be 100% guaranteed that the device can connect 01:16:11 gunther44: yeah, it's not for everyone, but it's another nice choice. 01:16:24 #topic Boost 1.41 Uplift 01:16:31 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F13Boost141 01:16:39 yeah, but i don't think it could replace any iso's 01:16:44 This is an update to the Boost framework to 1.41... which is a major new version with a new buildsystem. 01:17:03 This is nice for developers. ;) 01:17:11 #topic Dogtag Certificate System 01:17:14 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DogtagCertificateSystem 01:17:26 nirik: so this is just an update the version of boost provided in the repos? 01:17:41 Dogtag is a nice system for managing ssl certs and certificate authority. 01:18:21 yates: yes. But boost is used for a LOT of things... this was a major undertaking to update everything. ;) 01:19:02 #topic ColorManagement 01:19:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ColorManagement 01:19:27 Their is a new color management application and tables 01:19:48 this is an area that linux hasn't had anything in. Many of the tools are closed source in this area. 01:20:08 So, for example you can calibrate your monitor and printer and really get the same color when printing you see. 01:20:18 or make your monitor show more real/true colors on photos. 01:20:30 This is a big deal for printing and photo work. 01:20:37 That's going to be nice 01:20:43 yes, nice! 01:21:04 it's amazing how quickly the app has come up to speed. it's nice looking already. 01:21:16 #topic Easier Python Debugging 01:21:20 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EasierPythonDebugging 01:21:28 This is another great developer feature. 01:21:48 You can now use gdb to debug python applications. 01:21:54 great! 01:22:27 It's able to report a lot of the internals, so it's sometimes better than native debuggers in python. 01:22:48 #topic Gnome 2.30 01:22:50 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome2.30 01:22:57 Another Fedora, another update to gnome. ;) 01:23:26 +1 01:23:27 Will gnome-shell be default in Gnome 2.30? I hear it's coming. 01:23:28 full release notes at: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.30/ 01:23:34 gnome looks pretty now 01:23:35 ardchoille: nope. thats Gnome 3. 01:23:39 ok 01:23:45 it's available however as a tech preview. 01:23:49 so, you can install and test it out. 01:24:17 I think 2.30 is the last of the 2.x releases, so next cycle we may see gnome3 and gnome-shell. 01:24:34 It's worth noting in this release: "nautilus defaults to browser mode now" 01:24:50 Nice, no more changes for that :) 01:24:53 #topic Implicit DSO Linking 01:24:55 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking 01:25:02 This is another developer related change. 01:25:37 Many packages were linking with a particular library, that in turn linked to another one. This feature requires things to list all the libs they are linking to directly... 01:25:53 this prevents changes in libraries from messing up applications at runtime. 01:26:20 It also moves us along to other new features, like the gold linker (which is much faster than the default gcc ld linker) 01:26:41 #topic IntelliJ IDEA 01:26:44 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IntelliJ_IDEA 01:27:00 This is a popular java ide. 01:27:46 are there any plans to include eclipse? 01:28:02 gunther44: eclipse is already in Fedora. ;) 01:28:09 #topic KDE44 01:28:11 oh, pardon me then! 01:28:12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE44 01:28:17 Another update to another DE. ;) 01:28:35 kde 4.4 will have more bells and whistles and improve stability for the 4.x series. 01:29:11 The next two features are also kde related. 01:29:16 #topic KDE PolicyKit One Qt 01:29:20 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PolicyKitOneQt 01:29:43 This is integration for KDE for polkit... the policy/permissions framework. 01:29:52 and 01:29:56 #topic KDE PulseAudio Integration 01:29:57 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration 01:30:05 Integration with pulseaudio. 01:30:39 #topic KVM Stable PCI Addresses 01:30:41 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_Stable_PCI_Addresses 01:31:01 This is a feature of the KVM/libvirt setup to keep stable pci addresses for things it adds to guests. 01:31:35 So, if you add a network card for example, then remove it and add it again, the guest would see it as the exact same card. 01:31:52 This prevents problems for guest OSes that can't autoconfigure things. 01:32:15 #topic NetBeans_6.8 01:32:23 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetBeans_6.8 01:32:37 Another java framework. :) This was added in F12, but this is a new major upstream version. 01:33:02 The next 3 are all NetworkManager related. 01:33:13 #topic NetworkManager Bluetooth DUN 01:33:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerBluetoothDUN 01:33:36 Easy to use support to use a bluetooth dialup device (ie, a phone) as a network source. 01:33:47 #topic NetworkManager Command Line 01:33:51 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerCmdline 01:34:01 A command line for NetworkManager, nmcli has been added. 01:34:07 So you can manage your networks via command line. 01:34:15 That's going to make a lot of folks happy 01:34:29 Yeah, we had cnetworkmanager, but it's interface wasn't the best... 01:34:36 #topic NetworkManager Mobile Status 01:34:38 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerMobileStatus 01:34:55 And finally for NM, this allows the networkmanager applet to show things like signal strength on 3g devices. 01:35:03 You can see when you are roaming or have low signal. 01:35:41 It's pretty handy to see that info in an easy way. 01:35:47 #topic NFSv4 Default 01:35:49 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NFSv4Default 01:35:55 nfs version 4 will be default in f13. 01:36:03 It was close to landing for f12, but it didn't quite make it. 01:36:29 nfsv4 is nice in that it is much easier to manage on firewalls, faster, better locking, etc. 01:36:45 You can easily fall back or use v3 if you like however 01:37:06 also for NFS: 01:37:11 #topic NFS Client IPv6 01:37:12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NFSClientIPv6 01:37:25 ipv6 client support has been added. For those folks that are using ipv6 networks. 01:37:57 We have also added displayport support for 2 of the major video drivers... 01:38:02 #topic Nouveau DisplayPort 01:38:04 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NouveauDisplayPort 01:38:16 and also for radeon. 01:38:29 This will be welcome news for those folks with displayport hardware. 01:38:30 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RadeonDisplayPort 01:38:56 #topic Python 3 01:39:00 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Python3F13 01:39:16 A fully parallel installable python3 package is provided. 01:39:44 this should allow folks to test programs and develop on python3, while still being able to use 2.6 for day to day work. 01:40:11 #topic RPM4.8 01:40:13 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.8 01:40:32 Another infrastructure update. rpm 4.8 has some nice speed improvements and bug fixes. 01:41:06 it's worth noting this time there were no package format changes... 01:41:28 so rpm 4.7 in f12 can read/manage any of the 4.8 created packages. 01:41:53 #topic SIP Witch Domain Telephony 01:41:55 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SIP_Witch_Domain_Telephony 01:42:26 This is a very nice setup for SIP, allowing voice calling between fedora machines running the indicated packages. 01:42:52 Hopefully this will gain traction as a alternative to non free solutions in this area. 01:43:19 #topic SSSDByDefault 01:43:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSDByDefault 01:43:46 SSSD is an authentication framework. So, you can much more easily manage ldap/krb5/etc authentication. 01:44:21 It also allows offline logins... so it caches information needed and allows you to login even when you aren't connected to your ldap server or the like. 01:44:55 #topic System Rollback With Btrfs 01:44:58 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemRollbackWithBtrfs 01:45:09 This is a nice little feature for folks using the new btrfs filesystem 01:45:24 Basically it allows you to take a snapshot then apply updates. 01:45:38 Then if you decide something is broken, you can rollback to the snapshot 01:45:52 I like that, I've been doing this manually with PartImage for too long. 01:45:52 lvm too btw. 01:45:59 You do have to have an install using btrfs, but it's a nice preview of what will be possible someday. 01:46:40 #topic Systemtap Static Probes 01:46:43 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemtapStaticProbes 01:46:50 Here's another developer related change. 01:47:12 nice 01:47:19 This basically allows for much better system tap tracing of applications. 01:47:57 #topic Sugar_0.88 01:47:59 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sugar_0.88 01:48:02 Another Desktop update. 01:48:11 This time Sugar. Used on the OLPC. 01:48:24 It's a very different setup, but some people really like it. ;) 01:48:48 They have added a number of activities that were not in previous releases too. 01:48:52 Lots of ways to learn. 01:49:15 #topic Udisks Improvements 01:49:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UdisksImprovements 01:49:19 sugar is built into fedora? 01:49:28 gunther44, yum install @sugar-desktop 01:49:29 gunther44: it is built on fedora. ;) 01:49:56 Udisks gains some very nice improvements, including lvm support... 01:50:32 ah sorry, newbie q's :) 01:50:46 gunther44: no problem at all. ;) Try it out sometime... it's an interesting desktop. 01:50:53 #topic Upstart0.6.0 01:50:56 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart0.6.0 01:51:10 Upstart (the init framework) has been updated to 0.6.0 01:51:11 have they finalized the iniscript files for this release? 01:51:20 fenris02: nope. ;( 01:51:31 bummer. 01:51:41 basically this was to get to a supported upstream release (they ended support for the old one), and help improve stability. 01:51:51 There aren't many other changes yet. 01:52:22 #topic User Account Dialog 01:52:24 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UserAccountDialog 01:52:44 This is an interesting feature. Basically it allows users to set information for small/single user deployments. 01:52:57 It's worth noting that this has some of the features of the old gdmsetup in it to manage gdm 01:53:27 So, you can easily hide the user list in gdm for example. 01:54:11 The next 4 features are all libvirt/virtual machine related. ;) 01:54:15 #topic VHostNet 01:54:18 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VHostNet 01:54:31 This basically greatly increases the performance of virtual networks. 01:54:54 #topic Virtx2apic 01:54:57 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Virtx2apic 01:55:18 This improves performance on machines with x2apic support. 01:55:37 Typically this is newer machines with lots of cpus. ;) 01:56:01 * nirik is sad not to have a machine where this is supported. ;( 01:56:05 #topic Virtio-Serial 01:56:07 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VirtioSerial 01:56:37 This feature adds a simple serial interface between the guest and hosts in a virtual setup. 01:56:48 This has all kinds of handy implications. 01:56:56 You can talk to guests that don't have any network support enabled. 01:57:15 SPICE (a fancy new accelerated graphics for virtual machines) will use this interface 01:57:34 Lots of possible uses. 01:58:04 #topic Virt Shared Network Interface 01:58:07 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Shared_Network_Interface 01:58:28 This allows for virtuals to use a bridged network instead of a routed one (which is the default). 01:58:51 Sadly, support hadn't landed in networkmanager, so you still need to disable it and use the network service, but at least it's much easier to setup. 01:59:08 and finally... 01:59:12 #topic Zarafa 01:59:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Zarafa 01:59:32 Zarafa is a open source Exchange replacement. It can do mail, calendaring, webmail, smtp, etc. 01:59:58 A lot of folks are going to like that. 02:00:07 It's a pretty slick setup... 02:00:21 #topic Q and A / General feature discussion 02:00:42 So, whew. Thats the list. ;) Lots of features... showing how quickly Fedora jumps in just 6 months. 02:01:05 Does anyone have any questions on any of the features? Anything we should go into more detail on? 02:01:23 I had a question about the IPv6 02:01:38 sure, the nfs ipv6? 02:01:43 Will this speed up Firefox without having to disable IPv6 in Firefox's config 02:02:07 This is just for NFS... network file sharing. ;) 02:02:16 Ah, ok 02:02:16 So, it will not affect firefox any. 02:03:26 Lots of exciting features, especially for developers. I'm looking forward to Fedora 13 :) 02:03:28 * nirik is most excited by the NM changes, and possibly the color management. 02:03:56 I updated to the RC today. I have kms on my intel. wahoo! Thanks to all your hard work 02:04:42 cool. 02:04:54 Well, if no further questions, I will go ahead and wrap things up. ;) 02:05:12 Hopefully this has been informative and let folks know about a feature or two to look forward to. ;) 02:05:41 thanks for coming everyone! 02:05:41 Very informative, thank you nirik 02:05:59 #endmeeting