20:21:11 #startmeeting CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27 20:21:12 Meeting started Mon Nov 27 20:21:11 2017 UTC. The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:21:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:21:12 The meeting name has been set to 'commops_-_hack_session_/_office_hours_-_2017-11-27' 20:21:12 meetbot.meeting.start -- jflory7 started meeting "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" in #fedora-commops 20:21:18 #meetingname commops 20:21:18 The meeting name has been set to 'commops' 20:21:31 #nick commops 20:21:37 #topic Roll call 20:21:37 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of jflory7's "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting changed to "Roll call" in #fedora-commops 20:21:42 .hello jflory7 20:21:44 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 20:22:11 * jwf is hanging out in IRC for now, but will jump on video if others are around – in a public place so it's a little noisy! 20:23:41 I'm here, editing fedora cheat cubes... I don't think that count like a commops activity 20:29:22 pagure.issue.comment.added -- jflory7 commented on ticket fedora-commops#114: "Use metrics dashboard to visualize fedmsg data" https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/114#comment-481552 20:29:43 bt0: Hack sessions can be helpful time to dedicate an hour or two to Fedora things. :) 20:30:04 I know I've done Marketing things even years ago during the hack sessions when we ran them two years ago. 20:30:13 Wow, two years ago… feels weird that it's been so long 20:31:19 yeah a lot of time 20:33:10 pagure.issue.comment.added -- jflory7 commented on ticket fedora-commops#125: "[TRACKER TICKET] Organize a CommOps FAD" https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/125#comment-481553 20:33:49 Hi guys 20:34:12 Nobody is on jitsi, So I supose that we will work only here 20:34:40 x3mboy: Hey Eduard, wasn't sure who else was around. If you're on, I'll jump in :) 20:34:52 well, u know, jitsi make me looks fat 20:35:12 Well I'm here, 20:35:35 Just joined, let me grab the link! 20:36:18 #topic Hack time! 20:36:19 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of jflory7's "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting changed to "Hack time!" in #fedora-commops 20:36:21 #link https://meet.jit.si/fedora-commops 20:36:21 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jflory7 linked to more information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "https://meet.jit.si/fedora-commops" 20:37:47 #info jwf updated tickets from meeting, now working on Grimoire vs. Grafana research 20:37:47 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- jflory7 raised a point of information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "jwf updated tickets from meeting, now working on Grimoire vs. Grafana research" 20:38:50 Anyone is welcome to #info something they're working on, if you want to get it into the logs. 20:38:53 #chair bt0 x3mboy 20:38:53 Current chairs: bt0 jwf x3mboy 20:40:41 * jwf assumes @skamath is asleep by now, bummer 20:40:56 I had a question for him about Grimoire and the Perceval plugin. 20:41:30 @skamath: Whenever you see this, what was the blocking issue in Grimoire that required us to write a Perceval plugin for fedmsg? As compared to using a PostgreSQL data store? 20:42:00 Hey, I'm around-ish. 20:42:22 I'm on a very shaky connection. In a place with limited connectivity. 20:42:50 jwf, the blocker was the time factor. 20:43:17 @skamath: No worries, if you want to hang out in Telegram / IRC, that's fine. I know it's super late! 20:43:21 @skamath: Time to implement? 20:43:30 We have to do a lot of research, code reading and hacking. 20:43:49 awesome... skamath++ 20:44:01 Yep, we need to write loads of code and that can take a lot of time. 20:44:15 /me wonders if it is any easier in Grafana. 20:45:30 @skamath: I was trying to get a firm idea of what we need exactly in Grimoire for it to work with fedmsg. If I understand right, fedmsg is using PostgreSQL data store and Grimoire supports PostgreSQL databases 20:45:43 I'm trying to get an idea of what's blocking us specifically 20:46:02 jwf, That's right. We need to write a wrapper around fedmsg. 20:46:16 It's something like this. Get fedmsg data using datagrepper or statscache 20:46:34 Feed it into perceval 20:46:54 Parse it, do all the processing and ready it for elasticsearch. 20:47:30 jwf, Yes - except we cannot have direct access to the database with all the data. 20:47:47 Ahhhh. That makes a lot of sense, I hadn't thought of that 20:48:03 Yeah, so we do need to abstract it out with datagrepper / statscache 20:48:06 Hmmm. 20:48:11 sayan thought it was a god idea to make use of statscache. 20:48:13 I wonder how we would go about doing this in Grafana… 20:48:15 datagrepper is really slow. 20:48:19 Yeah. :\ 20:48:38 Well, statscache uses datagrepper to pull data but it happens only once. 20:48:43 And that's the good thing 20:48:53 * jwf nods 20:49:14 jwf, have you worked with Grafana before? 20:49:19 I have. 20:49:28 But not with a custom data backend like this 20:49:34 I used it with InfluxDB data stores 20:49:42 Ah okay. 20:49:47 #link http://docs.grafana.org/plugins/developing/development/ 20:49:48 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jflory7 linked to more information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "http://docs.grafana.org/plugins/developing/development/" 20:50:01 It looks like we are standing in front of two diverging roads. 20:50:16 Do you want to take the one less traveled? :P 20:50:54 skamath: Yeah. But the more I go into this, the more that Grimoire is attractive because of its emphasis on community tooling, like Mailman, Telegram, supybot, Bugzilla… all things we have in Fedora. 20:50:55 #link https://grimoirelab.github.io/ 20:50:56 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jflory7 linked to more information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "https://grimoirelab.github.io/" 20:51:03 \o/ 20:51:09 Sounds good. 20:51:11 Should we talk/discuss te FAD ticket? 20:51:21 Ir we will do it only in meetings? 20:51:22 Grafana, to me, does the technical things really nicely, but I'm missing the connection to some of those tools like Grimoire has 20:51:23 jwf, so let's fix Grimoire? 20:51:33 x3mboy: Nope, we definitely can now! 20:51:50 Is something happening on Jitsi? 20:52:04 skamath: Me, x3mboy, and bt0 are hanging out there, but we could chat there if you can jump on. 20:52:31 skamath: I'm thinking more and more that Grimoire has better support for our needs, but I'm still going through some of my tabs 20:52:48 jwf, Yes. And we can extend it to a lot of things. 20:52:56 That's what is exciting. :D 20:53:01 There are lots of plugins which are super useful and fun. 20:53:10 .fas bex 20:53:13 nb: tqtwr 'gsafd' - ybexwqmxnx 'ybexwqmxnx yhdgb' - lonelyibex 'fungo' - moko 'moko lee' - sfarr01 'Steven Farr' - bexhet '' - tbex 'Tony Beckham' - efjiwmos 'takagiatuko' - makubex 'Bruno Lopes de Mello' - dgranville 'Daniel (2 more messages) 20:53:18 .fas bexelbie 20:53:19 nb: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' 20:53:34 * jwf waves to nb :) 20:53:49 nb o/ 20:53:54 * skamath is looking for the Jitsi link 20:54:02 I gotcha 20:54:09 skamath: https://meet.jit.si/fedora-commops 20:54:15 Thanks! 20:55:36 Hack time ;) 20:55:38 'Off topic' uploaded by bt0dotninja: https://i.imgur.com/aEyxRBy.jpg 20:58:12 Ok, about the FADI will create and work aon a little ticket to write a wiki how-to guide, because the new wiki (I'm not sure if is media wiki with a custom theme or what) because some things changed 20:58:23 e.g. The tables layout 20:58:49 jonatoni, o/ 20:59:18 LOL 20:59:28 Mixed messages 20:59:40 I will create and work aon a little ticket to write a wiki how-to guide, because the new wiki (I'm not sure if is media wiki with a custom theme or what) because some things changed 20:59:41 * jonatoni waves at x3mboy 20:59:44 This is one messages 21:00:07 And the other messages supose to be: "Ok, about the FAD: Where are we at?" 21:00:09 What we need 21:00:12 ? 21:01:34 jonatoni, o/ 21:01:50 x3mboy, That's a nice tee :D 21:02:44 skamath \0 21:07:11 https://taiga.fedorainfracloud.org/project/x3mboy-fedora-commops-fad 21:07:12 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- x3mboy linked to more information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "https://taiga.fedorainfracloud.org/project/x3mboy-fedora-commops-fad" 21:07:37 pagure.issue.comment.added -- jflory7 commented on ticket fedora-commops#114: "Use metrics dashboard to visualize fedmsg data" https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/114#comment-481564 21:07:48 Let's see if we can use this tool to work with the task in the FAD planning 21:10:05 jonatoni: Hey hey! :D 21:10:12 pagure.issue.comment.added -- x3mboy commented on ticket fedora-commops#125: "[TRACKER TICKET] Organize a CommOps FAD" https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/125#comment-481568 21:10:25 bt0++ Nice! Where did you get those shirts? 21:11:02 Mexican online shop :P 21:11:19 for one Release Party 21:12:24 * skamath is heading to bed 21:12:34 x3mboy: https://screenshots.firefox.com/VCatDKXkjzOV89um/taiga.fedorainfracloud.org 21:12:43 @skamath: Good night! Thanks for jumping in really quick. :) 21:12:49 jwf, If there is anything else, ping here and I'll get to it first thing tomorrow :D 21:12:49 skamath++ 21:12:54 skamath: Yep, will do! 21:12:59 jwf++ x3mboy++ bt0++ 21:13:12 skamath++ 21:13:12 x3mboy: Karma for skamath changed to 5 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:13:13 irc.karma -- x3mboy gave skamath(52) a karma cookie in #fedora-commops. "skamath++" https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/skamath 21:13:18 Have a nice rest 21:13:33 Thanks :) 21:15:07 jwf, https://screenshots.firefox.com/Q5lPxKjpThuzaqvu/taiga.fedorainfracloud.org 21:16:19 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Diversity_2017 21:16:20 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jflory7 linked to more information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Diversity_2017" 21:16:22 x3mboy: ^ 21:17:51 x3mboy: https://pagure.io/fedora-mediawikitheme 21:20:04 jejeje, maybe infra only looks "OMG, LTS mediawiki" and don't see the the looks and feel 21:20:40 Hahahah, that could be it! 21:20:50 The theme looks nice, just definitely got me off-guard. :D 21:22:39 jwf hey ;) 21:23:54 It looks good, the problem is that breaks some stuff (like tables) and there are places that were important and there aren't linked anymore 21:23:58 Like uploading files 21:24:36 But with some love I can still work there :D 21:25:20 * jwf nods 21:25:58 Okay, the last little bit of work I have left is with the CommBlog. I want to do some follow-up on articles and get one out the door too. 21:26:17 I have these all started on my desktop at home, so I think I will finish them after I head home and I'm at my desktop. 21:27:32 jwf, I have a question, CommBlog is a little more informal than Magazine, we don't do the Pitch/Aprrove/Draft/Review/Schedule schema 21:27:42 Correct. 21:28:09 It's ok if I create tickets for my commblogs articles ideas? Or should I keep it in my personal to-do list? 21:28:59 nagios.host.state.change -- commops.fedorainfracloud.org is in an unknown state: "CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (commops.fedorainfracloud.org)" https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin/status.cgi?navbarsearch=1&host=commops.fedorainfracloud.org 21:29:02 nagios.host.state.change -- commops.fedorainfracloud.org is in an unknown state: "CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (commops.fedorainfracloud.org)" https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin/status.cgi?navbarsearch=1&host=commops.fedorainfracloud.org 21:29:04 Hmm. For now, I think new tickets are okay. Ideally, we should start something like "starter pitches" like we have for the Magazine. 21:29:15 Oh no /o\ 21:29:25 The CommOps machine didn't like F27… 21:29:37 Oh oh 21:29:44 Who can look at it? 21:29:49 Infra-folks? 21:30:38 x3mboy: I just asked in #fedora-noc 21:30:47 Hopefully it's not a major issue. 21:30:57 Okay, x3mboy / bt0: Either of you need anything from me before I jump off? 21:31:12 OMG 21:31:13 no 21:31:32 pagure.issue.new -- x3mboy opened a new ticket fedora-commops#127: "Write a "How to" commblog post to explain a little bit the changes in the wiki" https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/127 21:31:37 Awesome. Last one out, get the lights please ;) (#endmeeting) 21:31:44 Not now 21:31:47 Thanks for the session 21:31:48 #chair x3mboy bt0 jwf|matrix 21:31:48 Current chairs: bt0 jwf jwf|matrix x3mboy 21:32:08 * jwf jumps off for now, see ya soon! 21:32:24 See ya 21:32:42 Anyone is working on something? 21:32:52 cheat cubes 21:32:54 I need to get out in a few minutes 21:32:54 :P 21:34:35 Ok, I will move to my spot 21:34:45 Leaving conference room 21:34:52 ok 21:37:46 Oh, I forgot to ask jwf about the commops pagure privileges 21:37:49 Well, next time 21:39:04 x3mboy: What's up? 21:39:37 jwf|matrix, I can't take tickets or edit metadata in the Commops's Pagure 21:39:57 Oh! Maybe you're not in the group? I think bt0 can add you there. If not, I can when I'm home. 21:40:08 let me check 21:40:10 https://pagure.io/group/fedora-commops/ 21:40:10 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jwf|matrix linked to more information in the "CommOps - Hack session / office hours - 2017-11-27" meeting in #fedora-commops: "https://pagure.io/group/fedora-commops/" 21:40:22 I think that's the link 21:42:37 done :P 21:43:08 please check x3mboy 21:43:43 pagure.issue.assigned.added -- x3mboy assigned ticket fedora-commops#127 to x3mboy https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/127 21:43:54 Now it works :D 21:43:56 Thanks :D 21:44:07 super :D 21:44:08 nagios.host.state.change -- commops.fedorainfracloud.org is in an unknown state: "CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (commops.fedorainfracloud.org)" https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin/status.cgi?navbarsearch=1&host=commops.fedorainfracloud.org 21:44:11 nagios.host.state.change -- commops.fedorainfracloud.org is in an unknown state: "CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (commops.fedorainfracloud.org)" https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin/status.cgi?navbarsearch=1&host=commops.fedorainfracloud.org 21:44:19 pagure.issue.tag.added -- x3mboy tagged ticket fedora-commops#127: Community Blog and easyfix https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/127 21:44:26 bt0++ 21:44:27 x3mboy: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 8 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:44:27 irc.karma -- x3mboy gave bt0dotninja(30) a karma cookie in #fedora-commops. "bt0++" https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/bt0dotninja 21:44:37 Well guys I need to run 21:44:43 So see ya 21:45:52 umm, end meeting? 21:49:26 #endmeeting