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15:19:25 <muccic> #chair mchua
15:19:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: mchua muccic
15:21:55 <muccic> Hi guys! I'm wondering what there is for me to know about the design spins you guys are working on?
15:22:40 <muccic> I'm excited to learn about them, and try to improve some of the features that already exist
15:37:32 <mchua_projector> muccic: Hm, people might be at work or sleeping right now - let's see if we can find you someone...
15:38:05 * sdziallas hullos
15:38:11 <mchua_projector> Ok, muccic - I just pinged sdziallas, who's the spin owner, and hopefully he can come in and answer some of your questions.
15:38:13 <mchua_projector> And there he is!
15:38:20 <morinoa> hello! I am a student at Allegheny College working with the Fedora Design Spin
15:38:33 <mchua_projector> Sweet, the whole team is here.
15:38:37 * sdziallas waves - cool!
15:38:38 <mchua_projector> Anyway, I'll leave you folks to get started. Have fun!
15:38:53 <muccic> thanks mchua!
15:39:39 <muccic> sdziallas: hey! what are you working on?
15:40:24 <sdziallas> muccic: hi! I'm... well, I'm the maintainer of the Design Suite and Sugar on a Stick, so to say... I'm selecting the applications and making sure everything works together by the end of the day.
15:40:33 <muccic> Sdziallas: that's a pretty broad question, but can I help you in any small way with it?
15:41:24 <mchua_projector> muccic: I believe the idea was to make a webpage for the spin. ;)
15:41:58 <muccic> sdziallas: i was reading about SoaS on their wiki page, so i'm familiar with what you guys do
15:41:58 <morinoa> sdziallas: I have some questions, but they will be a little further explained in my blog post: http://act.ivism.org/blogs/morinoa/2010/04/08/design-spin-is-making-my-head-spin/
15:42:15 * sdziallas is keeping his head out of the local tasks -- yes, we desperately need a web page (I'd generally appreciate any help I can get)
15:42:23 <sdziallas> I'll read that, hang on.
15:42:36 <morinoa> sdziallas: thank you
15:42:46 <sdziallas> Looks like I should subscribe to the whole act.ivism.org feed... ;)
15:43:10 <muccic> sdziallas:  I'm going to make a webpage for the site, so what are some broad starting points that i can focus the webpage on?
15:43:39 <sdziallas> morinoa: uh, oh. that looks like it's a bug in our installer. meh.
15:43:47 <sdziallas> mchua_projector: bug reporting's part of the assignment?
15:44:17 <sdziallas> muccic: well, it'd be awesome if there was a couple of cool applications, together with screenshots and short explanations.
15:44:40 * sdziallas goes looking for an example (might be that I posted that last time already)
15:44:43 <muccic> sdziallas: How can we (my classmates and I) make a webpage without copying info directly from the SoaS wiki page?
15:45:24 <sdziallas> muccic: (this is a good example http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/ )
15:45:52 <sdziallas> muccic: well... ask, if there's anything to clarify, or if you need more information :)
15:46:02 <sdziallas> generally, *ask* - throw questions, heh.
15:46:11 * sdziallas wonders whether he'll regret saying that ;)
15:46:34 <sdziallas> now seriously, the wiki isn't actually too bad, it's just that... it's a wiki, and most end users get confused with wikis.
15:46:55 <sdziallas> so here's what I'd recommend for both web pages.
15:47:10 <sdziallas> I'd bet that the Fedora Website folks have a template for the web pages on spins.fedoraproject.org.
15:47:37 <sdziallas> Actually, I think I've seen something on the design-list at some point (but I fail to recall when).
15:48:02 <sdziallas> If you get your hands on that template, you can compare where what would have to go -- and fill in content accordingly.
15:48:16 <sdziallas> Like: "why *you* should use $spin"
15:48:24 <sdziallas> "what $spin offers to you"
15:48:50 <chartij> do you know the link for the templates by chance?
15:49:55 <morinoa> sdziallas: I have two main questions: how do we report a bug? the mailing list? and my second question is if a webpage has already been created for the design spin and if we are just contributing to it
15:49:58 <sdziallas> morinoa: sorry... so here's the thing: if the installer is broken right now, it'll get fixed at some point. it might make sense to report the issue or not. if you wanted to report it, I can walk you through the process at bugzilla.redhat.com. if you're in a hurry, you could just use it without installing it for now.
15:50:01 <muccic> sdziallas: ok, this is really helpful, thank you!  when i adress, on the webpage, "why ppl should use the spin", does that mean that SoaS is considered a Spin?
15:50:14 <sdziallas> morinoa: jinx ;)
15:50:34 <morinoa> sdziallas: ok I will just wait it out I guess.
15:50:35 <muccic> Sdziallas:  and also, why do people get confused by the wiki pages?
15:50:37 <sdziallas> morinoa: to the second question: nope, not yet - there's a wiki page on the design suite (link incoming, hang on), but nothing even close to a landing page.
15:51:25 <sdziallas> morinoa: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite
15:51:35 <sdziallas> morinoa: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning
15:52:02 <sdziallas> muccic: yes, with Fedora 13 (which is to be released in early May), Sugar on a Stick is considered to be a spin.
15:52:05 <morinoa> sdziallas: ok... I don't know how to make a webpage, but I'm assuming that will be included in this link correct
15:52:46 <sdziallas> muccic: because they look scary :) - basically, what we need is a landing page with cool, concrete information, but also links to the wiki (to make sure people interested can get involved).
15:53:08 <sdziallas> morinoa: mhm, actually... not really ;) hang on, gimme a minute.
15:53:10 <muccic> Sdziallas: also, is there any way that my partners and I can actually USE SoaS, and not just learn about it, as a way to better inform ppl of what it has to offer?  another thing I'm wondering:  you said that it's a good idea to put apps on the SoaS webpage.  What is an application exactly? is that some way that the public can try out the spin?
15:53:31 <muccic> Sdziallas: ok that makes sense
15:53:46 * sdziallas is constantly getting confused between SoaS and Design Suite, hang on. Trying to clarify.
15:54:10 <mchua_projector> chartij, muccic, and other members of both spins page teams (design suite / soas): I'd be happy to sit down with you + the templates sometime today or tomorrow before we go back to Boston and work on the webpage with you - can teach html or whatever else you need. Just tell me a time.
15:54:20 <mchua_projector> sdziallas: I think both of the teams are in this channel and asking everything at once.
15:54:39 <sdziallas> mchua_projector: this is true, I guess ;)
15:55:03 <chartij> mchua: that would be great, i can def stop by tonight
15:55:20 <sdziallas> muccic: sure thing, you can just download it - just as Fedora - and give it a try.
15:55:40 <muccic> Sdziallas:  yeah, my group wants to make a SoaS webpage, and morinoa's group wants to make a webpage for the design suite
15:55:46 <sdziallas> muccic: you can download it here, and either boot the .iso file in a VM: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick
15:55:48 <mchua_projector> chartij: If you're free either before or after the talk (I'm not sure what time it'll end, so maybe before is better?) I'll be around.
15:58:30 <muccic> Sdziallas: ok the download sounds good.  So even though SoaS is used in third world countries originally to make a transportable operating system and save info, now that same software is available to us? so i could get a usb and use SoaS the same way?
15:58:37 <sdziallas> mchua_projector: can I get you as mchua for a sec.?
15:58:43 <sdziallas> muccic: that's exactly the point :)
15:59:12 <mchua> sdziallas: Yeah, I'm here.
15:59:18 <sdziallas> muccic: you don't need $special-hardware to do it. because it works on almost any machine, you can just boot the image (like Fedora) in a Virtual Machine or from your USB key.
15:59:48 <morinoa> mchua: my group cannot necessarily meet with you before you leave, are we really going to have to learn computer programming before we are able to complete our project?
15:59:50 <muccic> Sdziallas: thank you! i really appreciate your patience:-D
16:00:11 <muccic> Mchua: what is the difference between software and hardware?
16:00:13 <mchua_projector> muccic: if you got Fedora running on a virtual machine (using virtualbox) on your computer - there are instructions on the class wiki page, I'll find the link in a moment - you can do the same thing with the SoaS image. Not sure if I'm making sense when I say this, though.
16:00:27 <sdziallas> muccic: no no, you're very welcome :) I'm glad all of you are walking through this.
16:00:30 <mchua_projector> muccic: Hardware is the physical machine - the computer sitting in front of you. Software are the programs running on that machine - for instance, Pidgin and Firefox.
16:01:02 <sdziallas> mchua_projector: PM.
16:01:05 <mchua_projector> morinoa: Nope. Well, making a webpage is a very special form of "programming," and it's actually quite easy to learn... if you come up to the front I can show you in about 5 minutes.
16:01:07 <mchua_projector> sdziallas: Oh, ok.
16:02:27 <morinoa> mchua
16:02:29 <morinoa> ok
16:02:33 <muccic> mchua: thanks. ha. thats a lot simpler than i thought. also, did you mean you can send me the link to get a virtualmachine download?
16:03:03 <mchua_projector> muccic: If you look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism_And_Fedora, there's a link called "Allegheny Activism: Fedora 13 and VirtualBox" that goes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Allegheny_Activism:_Fedora_13_and_VirtualBox
16:03:19 <muccic> mchua: ok i get it, so we can find instructions for how to download the virtual machine on the class wiki page,
16:03:47 <mchua_projector> muccic: That has instructions for how to run an image (for example, SoaS) on your machine. The only difference is that for the .iso file (you'll see this when you get through the instructions) you can use the .iso that sdziallas is pointing to.
16:03:53 <muccic> and we can use this virtual machine to run SoaS, and can we get a second virtual machine to just run fedora?
16:04:31 <mchua_projector> muccic: Yep.
16:04:43 <muccic> mchua: what is an .iso file, and why are you referring to running SoaS as "running an image"?
16:05:03 <muccic> is image just another term for program?
16:05:41 <ke4qqq> sdziallas: does it help for one person to take design and another to take soas?? if so assign me one, I can handle questions til we get to releng-level stuff I think
16:05:55 <sdziallas> ke4qqq: hi :) good to have you around!
16:06:02 <ke4qqq> sorry I am late to the party
16:06:15 <sdziallas> ke4qqq: yeah, that would help - if you're up for taking the design-suite, that would be awesome!
16:07:52 * ke4qqq yells hey design suite peeps: feel free to ping me with questions
16:08:07 * sdziallas grins.
16:09:20 <ke4qqq> muccic: an iso is a bit-copy of a CD or DVD - so it's an "image" of what is on a CD or DVD
16:10:01 <ke4qqq> not just a copy of the files, but entire directory structures, filesystem, etc.
16:11:45 <sdziallas> looks like we're losing 'em again ;)
16:11:59 <ke4qqq> it's about that time
16:12:08 * sdziallas nods.
16:12:42 <ke4qqq> well - showing up today was easy :)
16:13:31 <sdziallas> :)
16:14:52 <muccic> # endmeeting
16:15:24 <muccic> #endmeeting