16:28:13 <mchua> #startmeeting
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16:28:20 <mchua> 15:40 < lpedroza> hello, can anyone give me the link where I could download the design spin? the link I had seemed to be broken
16:28:24 <mchua> 15:44 < poptart> hey does anyone here want to talk?
16:28:26 <mchua> 15:44 < poptart> about fedora?
16:28:29 <mchua> 15:44 < poptart> please?
16:28:31 <mchua> 15:45  * mchua waves
16:28:34 <mchua> 15:45 < mchua> lpedroza, poptart: happy to.
16:28:36 <mchua> 15:45 < mchua> Looking for that link, one moment.
16:28:39 <mchua> 15:45 < mchua> poptart: go ahead and ask any questions you have; people are here and listening.
16:28:42 <mchua> 15:48 < poptart> well, i don't really know where to start haha. i guess what i really want and need to know is: do you guys have any specific expectations for us? what needs done and how can we help?
16:28:47 <mchua> 15:49 < mchua> lpedroza: try http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/design-suite/
16:28:50 <mchua> 15:49 < mchua> lpedroza: you want one of the two files that ends in .iso
16:28:53 <mchua> 15:50 < mchua> lpedroza: almost certainly http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/design-suite/design-suite-i386-20100418.17.iso
16:28:56 <mchua> 15:50 < mchua> (the other one is if you have a 64-bit machine, but I'm guessing you don't, statistically speaking)
16:29:00 <mchua> 15:52 < lpedroza> mchua: are those the only two files that i'll need to download?
16:29:03 <mchua> 15:52 < mchua> lpedroza: you'll only need to download one
16:29:06 <mchua> 15:52 < mchua> lpedroza: the one I linked
16:29:08 <mchua> 15:53 < mchua> lpedroza: there are two .isos for two different types of computers, the one I linked to is for the type of computer than you almost certainly have.
16:29:12 <mchua> 15:53 < mchua> so download that and burn it to a CD and see what happens :)
16:29:15 <mchua> 15:54 < brejc8> poptart: Its pretty relaxed. Take a look at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/report/1 if there are any tasks you wish to have a go at
16:29:19 <mchua> 15:54 < lpedroza> mchua:thank you i'll be sure to try it tonight
16:29:21 <mchua> 15:55 < brejc8> poptart: generally, you wont get any task right the first time, so pretty much the only expectation is that you learn and are friendly during
16:29:25 <mchua> 15:56 < tw2113> clearly the purpose of  the fedora design team is to make the eventual conquering of the world look good and be svg/xcf compliant
16:29:28 <mchua> 15:57 < tw2113> i must have forgot to send out that memo
16:29:31 <mchua> 15:57 < poptart> brejc8: thank you very much! that should help.
16:29:33 <mchua> 15:57 < brejc8> conquering the world, one pixel at a time
16:29:36 <mchua> 15:57 < mchua> poptart: also, how much time do you have to spend on this? we may want to help you pick a simple ticket to do first
16:29:39 <mchua> 15:57 < mchua> poptart: since I know the semester is ending soon for all of you.
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16:29:46 <mchua> 16:02 < poptart> mchua: i don't have very much time.  we're expected to present our results for this project during class time next week.
16:29:50 <mchua> 16:02 < lpedroza> mchua: do we still need the cd to run fedora in virtual box?
16:29:53 <mchua> 16:03 < mchua> poptart: How much time do you have?
16:29:56 <mchua> 16:03 < mchua> lpedroza: Once you install it on your virtual machine, you don't need the CD any more; ask Darren or Matt to help you with the install.
16:29:59 <mchua> 16:03 < tw2113> i was thinking perhaps not try to get poptart in on the F13 stuff
16:30:03 <mchua> 16:03 < mchua> lpedroza: (It's something that's easier to do in person.)
16:30:05 <mchua> 16:03 < tw2113> and get him going on something smaller with a less pressing schedule
16:30:09 <mchua> 16:03 < mchua> tw2113: suggestions for stuff for poptart to look at?
16:30:11 <mchua> 16:04 < tw2113> design queue
16:30:14 <mchua> 16:04 < poptart> mchua: i'd say about six hours? if there are no projects that simple, though, i could push it and work for a few more hours than that.
16:30:17 <mchua> 16:05 < tw2113> we really have no need to rush you that fast
16:30:20 <mchua> 16:05 < tw2113> and there is no deadline you need to meet to join
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16:30:26 <mchua> 16:06 < ShanWade> hey, i'm in poptart's group. we can definitely divide and conquer, but right now we're kind of at a loss as to what to do because virtual box hasn't cooperated for any of us, and it's kind of all we have to go on as far as downloading the design spin
16:30:30 <mchua> 16:06 < lpedroza> mchua: thanks, i already installed fedora, now i just need the design spin, can i have the link of how to install it after i burn on the cd
16:30:34 <mchua> 16:06 < ShanWade> lpedroza: oh! sorry, i didn't know it worked for you. sweet.
16:30:37 <mchua> 16:07 < mchua> lpedroza: you do the same thing with that cd that you did with the normal fedora beta cd.
16:30:41 <mchua> 16:07 < mchua> lpedroza, ShanWade, poptart: hrm, I think we need matt or darren in here to help us figure out a good gameplan for your remaining time.
16:30:44 <mchua> 16:07 < mchua> I'm unsure what the best way is to set a scope for this.
16:30:47 <mchua> 16:07 < mchua> can one of you get them into this channel?
16:30:54 <mchua> 16:08 < ShanWade> mchua: matt's helping someone else, but i'll flag him down when he's done
16:30:54 <mchua> 16:08 < mchua> (or have them talk with your group in person now, I'll be here if needed but don't actually need to participate)
16:30:56 <mchua> 16:08 < mchua> Ok, can do
16:30:59 <mchua> 16:08 < ShanWade> mchua: thanks so much!
16:31:01 <mchua> 16:08 < mchua> While we're waiting - it sounds like some of you are working on the design suite spin, some working on design tickets?
16:31:05 <mchua> 16:08 < mchua> or are you all working on tickets, but want to use the spin to do it?
16:31:08 <mchua> 16:08  * mchua is a bit confused
16:31:11 <mchua> 16:09 < ShanWade> what are tickets?
16:31:13 <mchua> 16:09 < mchua> ShanWade: oh, sorry! "tasks that the design team itself needs done"
16:31:17 <mchua> 16:10 < lpedroza> are we suppose to be working on the tickets or the webpage?
16:31:20 <mchua> 16:10 < ShanWade> mchua: no prob! okay. at least personally, i'm having trouble downloading the design spin at all, which seems to be the jumping off point for everything. like, i'm not sure how to help with tickets if i don't even know what the spin looks like
16:31:25 <mchua> 16:11 < ShanWade> (if that makes sense...?)
16:31:27 <mchua> 16:11 < mchua> lpedroza: it depends on which project you chose - what did you say you were going to be working on, when we started in class a few weeks ago?
16:31:31 <mchua> 16:12 < lpedroza> mchua:well i'm on the team that was working on the design spin
16:31:34 <mchua> 16:12 < lpedroza> with annie
16:31:37 <mchua> 16:12 < mchua> ShanWade: That does make sense - I should apologize that this wasn't communicated more clearly, but you don't have to use the design spin in order to help with tickets.
16:31:41 <mchua> 16:12 < mchua> lpedroza: The design spin webpage?
16:31:44 <mchua> 16:12 < mchua> ShanWade: The design spin is something that we're making so it will be easier (someday - apparently not yet :) to install all the design programs we use at once
16:31:48 <mchua> 16:12 < mchua> ShanWade: but you can install them individually - some of them you can even install in Windows, and use them there to make the art
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16:31:55 <mchua> 16:13 < ShanWade> mchua: ooookay. that makes a lot more sense.
16:31:58 <mchua> 16:13 < mchua> ShanWade: so let me look at the list of tickets and see if we can find a simple one that uses... are you familiar with photoshop or illustrator? something that uses gimp or inkscape (the equivalents)
16:32:02 <mchua> 16:13 < mchua> (er, the open source equivalents that is)
16:32:05 <mchua> 16:14 < ShanWade> mchua: i'm not super versed in them, but i probably know/can figure them out well enough to help
16:32:08 <mchua> 16:14 < mchua> ShanWade: Ok, I'm looking at the list at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/report/1 to find you a good first project
16:32:12 <mchua> 16:14  * mchua knows you have to run in a moment
16:32:14 <mchua> 16:15 < ShanWade> mchua: i can stay a bit longer, i don't have class till 1:30
16:32:18 <mchua> 16:15 < mchua> ShanWade: in the meantime, choose either http://www.gimp.org/ (it's like photoshop)
16:32:21 <mchua> 16:15 < mchua> ok, thanks!
16:32:24 <mchua> 16:15 < ShanWade> mchua: sure thing!
16:32:26 <mchua> 16:15 < mchua> ShanWade: or http://www.inkscape.org/ (illustrator)
16:32:29 <mchua> 16:15 < mchua> (or both)
16:32:31 <mchua> 16:15 < mchua> and install them on whatever computer you have
16:32:34 <mchua> 16:15 < lpedroza> mchua: yes design suite webpage  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Spins_Page
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16:32:41 <mchua> 16:17 < mchua> ShanWade: Here's a good starter one - https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/130, design a logo for the Fedora group in Africa.
16:32:44 <mchua> 16:17 < mchua> ShanWade: It looks like some students from Allegheny are working on https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/113 already; you could join them.
16:32:48 <mchua> 16:18 < mchua> ShanWade: There's also https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/111, though it may take a little longer.
16:32:51 <mchua> 16:18 < mchua> ShanWade: and Karsten needs a poster (and some other stuff, but I'd recommend starting with a poster) for https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/129
16:32:55 <mchua> 16:19 < mchua> ShanWade: Those are a few options I found - you don't have to look at them all, just pick one. :)
16:32:58 <mchua> 16:19 < mchua> lpedroza: (did you find matt/darren?)
16:33:01 <mchua> 16:19 < ShanWade> mchua: thank you SO MUCH, this is really great. i'm sorry for the panic; our group got caught up making our little computers and didn't plan our time out very well. =/
16:33:05 <mchua> 16:19 < mchua> ShanWade: No worries. It's a learning experience for all of us. :)
16:33:09 <mchua> 16:19 < poptart> thank you for all the help!
16:33:11 <mchua> 16:20 < mchua> ShanWade: And we'll also be around after class ends if you want to learn more, too. There are good inkscape and gimp tutorials if you need resources to get started on that.
16:33:15 <mchua> 16:20 < mchua> (google "inkscape tutorial" or "gimp tutorial" and you'll find a bunch)
16:33:19 <mchua> 16:20 < lpedroza> mchua: i will talk to them during lab hours
16:33:21 <mchua> 16:20 < lpedroza> thanks for the help
16:33:24 <mchua> 16:20 < mchua> lpedroza: Ok. Your job, for the spins page, is to write the content.
16:33:27 <mchua> 16:20 < lpedroza> i have to go now
16:33:30 <mchua> 16:20 < ShanWade> mchua: awesome sauce. thanks again!! talk to you later
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16:33:36 <mchua> 16:20 < mchua> lpedroza: You don't have to worry about design or layout - what we can't do, but you can, is figure out what words to write there.
16:33:39 <mchua> 16:21 < mchua> lpedroza: because we all think the design spin is awesome already, so we're bad at figuring out how to convince other people of the same. :)
16:33:43 <mchua> 16:21 < lpedroza> mcuah:oh ok
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16:33:49 <mchua> 16:21 < mchua> lpedroza: the wiki page you linked, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite#Spins_Page, has all the sections we need
16:33:52 <mchua> 16:21 < lpedroza> thanks i'll talk to you later
16:33:55 <mchua> 16:21 < mchua> lpedroza: and http://spins.fedoraproject.org has examples of existing ones
16:33:58 <mchua> 16:21 < mchua> so you can see the sorts of content people typically write.
16:34:02 <mchua> 16:21 < mchua> lpedroza: good luck.
16:34:04 <mchua> #endmeeting