19:01:37 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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19:01:39 <Schendje> heyhey
19:01:45 <mizmo> #topic roll call
19:01:53 * Schendje is here
19:02:11 * Emichan present!
19:03:12 <mizmo> okay
19:03:19 <mizmo> lol not a great turnout but
19:03:26 <mizmo> we'll see if more folks show up as we go :)
19:03:28 * Schendje pokes fabsh inkscaper tatica :)
19:03:37 <mizmo> #topic supplemental wallpapers
19:04:13 <mizmo> has everyone here voted?
19:04:23 <mizmo> i did a tally including jimmac and kylebaker's votes
19:04:28 <Schendje> not me, sorry
19:04:29 <mizmo> i dont think the current tally is missing anyone's votes
19:04:36 <Schendje> but you can skip them
19:04:39 <mizmo> Schendje, do you wanna pick through them real quick now?
19:04:44 <mizmo> it only took me about 5 minutes or so
19:04:49 <Emichan> mizmo, did you get Jakub Steiner's votes?
19:05:15 <mizmo> Emichan, yep :) jimmac = Jakub Steiner
19:05:26 * mbenitez here
19:05:27 <Emichan> :D
19:05:44 <mizmo> so far it looks like the top runners are pretty solid
19:05:49 <mizmo> so i think we'll have a nice set of wallpapers
19:06:09 <mizmo> i think fabsh is going to sort everything out tomorrow
19:06:15 <mizmo> so we'll have the official final list then i think
19:06:23 <Emichan> some of them may need editing, right?
19:06:34 <mizmo> yep definitely
19:06:48 <mizmo> another step we need to do is verify the licenses on them.
19:07:12 <mizmo> i think a good thing to do is to contact the authors of each individually, let them know we really like the wallpaper, describe how we'll be using it, and make sure our method of attribution is acceptable to them
19:07:32 <mizmo> thats all due sep 3 i think
19:07:34 <Schendje> how many will be accepted?
19:07:35 <Emichan> then we also need to make sure the licenses allow editing of the ones that need it...
19:07:35 <Schendje> 20?
19:07:36 <mizmo> so we can then package them up
19:07:45 <mizmo> i think it depends Schendje
19:07:51 <mizmo> Emichan, oh they all do
19:07:57 <Emichan> ;)
19:07:58 <mizmo> Emichan, we didn't accept any CC licenses that didn't allow editing
19:08:02 <Emichan> good
19:08:06 <mizmo> but it's always good to double-check that there is no license switcheroo
19:08:27 <mizmo> Schendje, for example, if the first 15 have 3 votes or more, then 16-25 are 2 votes a piece, it might be good to cut off at 15
19:08:37 <Schendje> mizmo: ok i see :)
19:08:47 <mizmo> right now we have 3 votes + for each up to #17
19:09:01 <mizmo> then 2 votes a piece from 18 - 34
19:09:07 <mizmo> i wonder how many gnome comes with,
19:09:09 * mizmo takes a quick look
19:09:17 <Emichan> not that many...
19:09:35 <mizmo> gnome does 18 it looks like
19:09:42 <mizmo> at least in RHEL 6 beta it does hehe
19:09:47 <mizmo> so if we do 17 i think we're being pretty reasonable
19:10:10 <mizmo> we need to include fabsh's own votes though in the final tally
19:10:30 <mizmo> so far i think we're doing pretty good on the supplemental wallpapers project though, folks were really good about getting their votes in :)
19:10:37 <mizmo> okay so let me see the next agenda topic
19:10:47 <mizmo> #topic f14 wallpaper
19:10:51 <mizmo> so we're running out of time on this
19:10:58 <mizmo> i think fredpyo said he was going to try for some more iterations
19:11:12 <mizmo> ive gotten a lot of negative feedback on the latest revisions unfortunately :(
19:11:26 <mizmo> does anyone have time/interest in playing with it?
19:11:33 <Emichan> I've got an iteration, maybe two I'm working on, i'll try and post asap
19:11:33 <mizmo> it needs to be ready to go by sep 10 i think
19:11:46 <mizmo> Emichan, ohhhh sweet! i'm really looking forward to seeing them
19:11:59 <Emichan> :)
19:12:11 <mizmo> okay and speaking of which
19:12:15 <mizmo> #topic f14 splashes
19:12:23 <mizmo> Emichan, did you have any luck with some splash designs for beta?
19:12:29 <Emichan> yes, i've been working on them.
19:12:30 <mizmo> did the link i sent you last week have enough info to go on?
19:12:42 <Emichan> enough to get started definitely
19:12:48 <mizmo> okay cool
19:12:56 <Emichan> i hope to have most of them up for comment by tomorrow
19:13:02 <mizmo> kick ass! :)
19:13:08 <mizmo> okay great
19:13:12 <mizmo> we are in much better shape than i thought
19:13:16 <mizmo> thanks to Emichan :)
19:13:17 <Emichan> 6 sep is the deadline for those right?
19:13:21 <mizmo> yep i think so
19:13:29 <Emichan> :)
19:13:32 * mizmo double checks - yep
19:13:42 <mizmo> okay
19:13:45 <mizmo> i'm going to add a topic quick
19:13:50 <mizmo> #topic www.fedoraproject.org redesign
19:13:57 <mizmo> i've been making some good but slow progress on the www.fpo mockups
19:14:09 <mizmo> so the last mockup i posted.... lemme grab the url
19:14:11 <Emichan> mizmo, the latest slideshow design rocked!
19:14:18 <Emichan> :D
19:14:27 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_1-frontpage.png
19:14:34 <mizmo> i got a lot of feedback on this one that it looks too 'corporate'
19:14:45 <mizmo> i think maybe 5 separate people spoke up and gave that as a concern
19:15:05 <mizmo> Emichan, well let me show you this week's and let me know if it sitll rocks :)
19:15:16 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_1b-frontpage.png
19:15:17 <mizmo> that's the new one
19:15:23 <mizmo> i think you might have seen it on identi.ca though
19:15:25 <mizmo> i posted it last night
19:15:40 <mizmo> it's an attempt to make the site look less corporate and more friendly
19:16:02 <mizmo> and ive been working on the features & screenshots page
19:16:18 <mizmo> this is what i had last night
19:16:19 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_1-features.png
19:16:27 <mizmo> but actually i've changed it up a bit, let me do a quick export to refresh that
19:17:01 <Emichan> the slide area is my favorite so far
19:17:09 <mizmo> yay
19:17:23 <Emichan> the rest of the site is definitely better - but it looks like it could still use some polish
19:18:07 <mizmo> yeh
19:18:19 <mizmo> well shift-reload this guy https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/d/de/Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_1-features.png
19:18:31 <mizmo> this is my work in progress features & screenshots page as of about half an hour ago
19:19:14 <Schendje> mizmo: do these use cantarell?
19:19:21 <mizmo> Schendje, yep :)
19:19:24 <mizmo> what do you think?
19:19:38 <mizmo> on identi.ca i think there was at least one if not two comments on the font being nice
19:19:51 <Emichan> cantarell is looking good here :)
19:20:11 <mizmo> it really works well
19:20:15 <Emichan> hmmm not sure about the green...
19:20:27 <mizmo> i think the icon bar is still droid though i have to update it (in the features page, the overview icons)
19:20:36 <mizmo> im totally open to color suggestions
19:20:59 <Schendje> Emichan: agreed, the text looks really nice :)
19:21:01 <mizmo> its kind of desaturated for fedora i think
19:21:05 <pcon> i like the green, just not that shade,  or maybe it contrasts too much with the header...
19:21:08 <mizmo> but i picked the green from the front page illustration
19:21:10 <Emichan> maybe the yellow from the front page
19:21:28 <Emichan> i just think the green makes it look a little drab
19:21:43 <mizmo> yeh its a drabby green
19:22:24 <Emichan> you could go for more of a kelly green, but it's hard to pick a color based on speculation
19:23:45 <Schendje> maybe we could use the orange from the "features" foundation?
19:23:56 <Schendje> maybe make it a little less bright
19:24:09 <Schendje> but since the "back to top" buttons already use it
19:25:15 <Emichan> well, it is the "features" page, so the features orange makes sense :)
19:25:28 <Schendje> Emichan: yeah exactly :)
19:25:41 <Schendje> liking those orange buttons, btw!
19:26:10 <Schendje> also, maybe less text for the different apps would work better?
19:26:12 <Emichan> blue+orange=complementary
19:26:27 <Schendje> just a few lines... just naming the killer features
19:26:48 <Schendje> we've already got the "learn more" links anyway
19:26:57 <Emichan> schendje++
19:27:13 <mizmo> well
19:27:23 <mizmo> i was trying to avoid using orange because then the back to top buttons dont pop anymore :-/
19:27:35 <mizmo> i had tried orange before green, and it was pretty loud unfortunately :(
19:27:35 <Emichan> the app descriptions are getting into tl;dr territory...
19:27:50 <mizmo> but maybe a less saturated orange?
19:27:59 <Emichan> mizmo, that's what I was thinking
19:28:02 <Schendje> you only need them if you scroll down, and if you scroll down you won't see the top orange bar anymore... :P
19:28:22 <mizmo> Emichan, yeh they are :) as ive been working on the page though ive been getting lazy and making them shorter so i'll have to shorten the longer one
19:28:37 <mizmo> Schendje, true, but the top bar is still exceedingly loud in orange
19:28:40 <Emichan> less saturated, getting into the reddish-yellow area
19:29:02 <mizmo> yeh i bet that would work
19:29:05 <Schendje> oh yeah definitely... simply taking the same orange would make it scream, i can imagine :)
19:29:06 <mizmo> less saturated
19:29:19 <mizmo> Schendje +1
19:30:04 <Emichan> yeah, the buttons and the color bar are far enough apart, where using a similar color on top won't overwhelm the buttons
19:30:22 <mizmo> cool
19:30:47 <mizmo> download will just be our current new download pages reformatted to this template
19:30:54 <mizmo> then we need community + tutorials + help
19:31:23 <finalzone> hello, sorry for being late
19:31:26 <mizmo> hey finalzone
19:31:41 <mizmo> finalzone, we were just finishing up reviewing the latest www.fpo redesigns
19:31:51 <mizmo> finalzone, this is the features page https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/d/de/Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_1-features.png
19:32:01 <mizmo> finalzone, and this is the front page https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_1b-frontpage.png
19:32:57 <finalzone> mizmo, are they final mockup?
19:33:03 <mizmo> finalzone, nope, total works in progress
19:33:10 <mizmo> if you have any comments/feedback please feel free to chime in
19:33:13 <msourada> hey, is the meeting still going?
19:33:15 <mizmo> i posted the sources too
19:33:17 <mizmo> they are at
19:33:33 <mizmo> ...
19:33:36 * mizmo grabbing link
19:33:42 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign/Mockups/Www.fpo#Sources
19:34:27 <mizmo> msourada, yep
19:34:36 <mizmo> msourada, although weve pretty much exhausted our agenda :)
19:34:52 <mizmo> #topic open floor
19:34:53 <msourada> mizmo: "learn more" and "download now" buttons from frontpage are looking a bit strange, maybe bland?, to me... perhaps try either different shade of color or make them darker
19:35:07 <Schendje> mizmo: i should still work on the join page, right?
19:35:19 <msourada> mizmo, I should have watched the time more carefully then :(
19:35:27 <mizmo> Schendje, yep!!!
19:35:30 <mizmo> you still upf or it?
19:35:37 <Schendje> mizmo: oh yeah absolutely :)
19:35:38 <mizmo> msourada, ah i can see that
19:35:40 <mizmo> msourada, maybe a darker blue
19:35:43 <mizmo> they were originally fedora blue
19:35:53 <mizmo> but they matched the nav bar and it didnt quite look right
19:35:59 <Schendje> i'll start in a few minutes i think :)
19:36:02 <mizmo> it would pull your focus all over the place and make the page feel pretty cluttered
19:36:09 <mizmo> Schendje, that would be fantastic!
19:36:16 <msourada> mizmo, also IMHO, the "free your desktop with fedora" has too low contrast with the background
19:37:19 <mizmo> its about just as bad with white
19:37:26 <mizmo> and blue
19:37:52 <mizmo> dark grey seems to work though
19:38:12 <mizmo> msourada, maybe we'll go with the dark grey then
19:38:29 <msourada> mizmo: maybe try complementary color? like orange? although it would be maybe too much...
19:38:43 <mizmo> msourada, can't overuse the orange, then the arrows on the slideshow won't pop
19:38:47 <msourada> mizmo, yeah, dark grey sounds fine
19:38:58 <msourada> mizmo, good point
19:39:06 <mizmo> eee it looks kind of crazy with orange text too lol
19:39:09 <mizmo> very halloween-y
19:39:10 <mizmo> hehe
19:39:22 <msourada> hehe
19:39:22 <mizmo> i think the dark grey is a lot more readable
19:39:38 <mizmo> see im glad you spoke up msourada ive been staring at this mockup so long
19:39:45 <mizmo> i totally missed that the main headline was so hard to read
19:40:26 <mizmo> does anybody have anything cool or interesting to mention?
19:40:27 <msourada> I know that feeling. When stare at something too long, it will eventually start to look right, even if it isn't...
19:40:39 <mizmo> i just sent john rose a design for fedora lanyards today
19:40:51 <mizmo> i posted all the files here http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/Lanyards/
19:41:11 <mizmo> the fabric for them is going to be silver, so the f punched one is with the fedora logo 'f' punched out so you can see through to the silver
19:41:29 <mizmo> he is going to send them to the lanyard printers and get some digital proofs back; ill send them to the list when they come in
19:41:37 <msourada> mizmo, another tiny detail: the language drop-down box -- it looks odd when the button does not have rounded corners while the entry has...
19:41:38 * mizmo trying to remember if theres anythign else interesting to mention
19:41:53 <mizmo> msourada, oh thats totally sloppiness on my part :) i think i'll just be a standard html dropdown
19:41:58 <mizmo> s/i'll/it'll
19:42:51 <msourada> mizmo, that would work, although, I beleive, that's usually rendered same as desktop widget, so it might look a bit out of place... but nothing to kill baby seals :D
19:44:02 <Emichan> there's only so much styling you can apply to form elements ;)
19:44:40 <msourada> Emichan, I'm noob when it comes to html and css... but I think some basic styling of form elements can be done with css?
19:46:34 <Emichan> yes, some styling can be done, but certain form elements are particularly tricky, and styling select boxes is really limited...
19:47:20 <mizmo> i used to go to town with form elements in IE 5.5, ah the good old days
19:47:24 <mizmo> for some definitions of good lol
19:47:34 <Emichan> :)
19:47:36 <finalzone> planning to use html5 on the fp.p?
19:47:40 <finalzone> ft.o?
19:48:09 <msourada> hehe, how I'm glad I'm working on gtk theming and not html/css :D
19:48:50 <Emichan> whose job is it to translate the mockup to workable markup/styling? ours or web team?
19:49:08 <Schendje> Emichan: both a bit, i believe?
19:49:09 <finalzone> I thought web team will take care of those mockup
19:49:30 <Schendje> i guess anyone who wants to work on it :D
19:49:50 <Emichan> whoever we can rope into it? is that the idea? ;)
19:50:16 <Schendje> hehe :D
19:50:39 <mizmo> finalzone, yep!
19:50:50 <Schendje> i think mizmo and sijis worked together on the community site?
19:50:52 <mizmo> finalzone, have you seen the fedoracommunity.org staging site?
19:50:56 <Schendje> how does this work, mizmo?
19:50:57 <mizmo> it uses the new css font embedding
19:51:03 <mizmo> with Comfortaa
19:51:12 <mizmo> http://stg.fedoracommunity.org/latam.html
19:51:18 <Emichan> @font-face is the best!
19:51:32 <mizmo> Emichan, Sijis on the websites team has been doing mockup => htm/css conversion
19:51:40 <mizmo> then i've been going back in and tweaking it to be pixel-perfect
19:51:52 <finalzone> mizmo, awesome, it appears Cantarell is used as well
19:51:57 <mizmo> we're probably going to need a lot of help with www.fpo
19:51:59 <mizmo> finalzone, yep!!!
19:52:14 <mizmo> that's the idea anyway
19:52:19 <mizmo> im not sure it's loading for me at the moment thouh
19:52:24 <mizmo> i think i have to check in the cantarell font ile
19:52:26 <mizmo> file
19:53:16 <finalzone> speaking about cantarell, I am waiting for dave to update his source
19:53:30 <Emichan> mizmo, you should consider using css3 gradients for the continent nav - it's so much easier to maintain :)
19:53:34 <msourada> mizmo, try it with epiphany or midori. the top button bar is rendered incorrectly. Are you using some browser specific quirks there?
19:54:36 <mizmo> Emichan, oh i haven't worked with them yet
19:54:49 <mizmo> Emichan, sounds like it'll work well though
19:54:57 <mizmo> msourada, i dont think so
19:55:01 <mizmo> msourada, screenshot?
19:55:10 <msourada> mizmo, just missing rounded corners
19:55:28 <finalzone> that may be browser specific
19:55:40 <finalzone> that should not be a big deal
19:55:44 <Emichan> you need to add in -webkit- border radius
19:55:53 <mizmo> msourada, i believe we have multiple stanzas for rounded corners for widest browser coverage, but if epiphany/midori don't support rounded corners there is not much to be done
19:56:04 * mizmo checks in firebug
19:56:15 <mizmo> ahhh they are missing
19:56:16 <mizmo> good catch
19:56:36 <mizmo> okay cool ill update the css
19:56:51 <msourada> Emichan, it's still not in any w3 draft? I wonder why it's still with vendor prefixes...
19:57:08 <Emichan> it hasn't been added to official spec yet
19:57:24 <Emichan> so, it's still up to the browsers to implement on a one-on-one basis
19:57:29 <Emichan> as i understand it :)
19:57:36 <mizmo> vendor rounded corners have been around forever, it's crazy its not in the official spec
19:57:54 <msourada> well, luckily there's not much beyond -mozilla and -webkit (or something like that)... but still...
19:58:01 <Emichan> i think they are adding it - specifics may still be in dispute...
19:58:02 <mizmo> there's IE ones too
19:58:15 <Emichan> or they may still have it up for comment, etc
19:58:25 <Emichan> the w3c specs move like glaciars!!!
19:58:31 <msourada> lol
19:58:43 <msourada> html5 isn't official either, is it...
19:58:52 <Emichan> i think parts of it are...
19:58:57 <finalzone> i feel like banging those w3c for being so slow
19:59:03 <msourada> lol
19:59:20 <Emichan> well, i understand it - there's a lot at stake...
19:59:20 <msourada> well, they need to do it properly... I can understand why are they so slow with new specs...
19:59:56 <Emichan> luckily, the new browser wars have been really pushing development pace! :D
20:00:13 * Schendje is looking forward to FF4! ^^
20:00:27 <finalzone> lets hope somebody stop thinking about vendor lock-in
20:00:43 <msourada> yeah... good thing apple opensourced webkit and google ported it as chromium...
20:01:35 <Emichan> and FF development has really sped up with their new release policies
20:02:08 <msourada> well, they had to... to keep up with google... :D
20:02:10 <finalzone> that only shows competition is good and healthy =p
20:02:15 <Schendje> Emichan: i want it to be faster though :(
20:02:34 <Schendje> Emichan: i won't leave my dear FF soon but it's not exactly blazing
20:02:47 <Emichan> schendje, what part? js? ui?
20:03:06 <msourada> Schendje, I left firefox around 2.5... :-D And I'm happy since then.
20:03:16 <Schendje> Emichan: i mainly mean the startup/shutdown times
20:03:16 <Emichan> FF4 should have much better js speed thx to jaegermonkey!
20:03:20 <Schendje> those are awful :O
20:03:55 <finalzone> another format that needs love is svg. I don't understand why adobe didn't adopt it instead
20:03:56 <msourada> and it does not do youtube yet... :-D
20:04:01 <Emichan> schendje, get rid of any extensions/plugins - those are the greediest part of ff in my experience
20:04:15 <Schendje> Emichan: yeah i should clean up again :)
20:04:46 <Emichan> msourada, what's your browser of choice? personally i can't live without firebug...
20:04:55 <msourada> firefox has zillions of useless stuff in and you need to install another zillion of extensions to actually make it pleasant to work with...
20:05:07 <Schendje> Emichan: i think it's mostly Sync bringing it down... I wanted to use it, but then forgot the password as soon as I booted up my other partition... so I'm only syncing one profile with itself xD
20:05:32 <msourada> Emichan, I'm with midori. Still lacks some features like password saving, but it's working great and fast. And the important stuff is already in.
20:05:46 <Emichan> msourada, i'll have to give it a shot. :)
20:06:11 <mizmo> Emichan, i'm exactly the same i can't live without firebug
20:06:24 <msourada> Emichan, I wonder when will 0.2.7 hit repos... it has some really cool new features >:D
20:06:42 <Emichan> looks like IE9 is going to support at least some SVG spec: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/03/18/svg-in-ie9-roadmap.aspx
20:07:16 <msourada> Emichan, mizmo: I haven't ever tried firebug, so I might be off track, but have you tried Web Inspector (available in all webkit, chromium, chrome and safari)
20:07:19 <msourada> ?
20:07:19 <Emichan> but i want to know what happened to SMIL, i think everyone forgot about it :)
20:07:42 <Emichan> msourada, web inspector is pretty good, but i still like firebug better ;)
20:07:43 <dvanstone> hello :
20:07:52 <msourada> hehe
20:07:59 <mizmo> msourada, i haven't but i have heard it is not as good
20:08:02 <dvanstone> firebug?
20:08:07 <msourada> dvanstone, hello :)
20:08:15 <Emichan> hi dvanstone! we're talking about browsers :)
20:08:24 <finalzone> emichan, I never tried smil before
20:08:24 <mizmo> apparently IE has some kind of firebug knockoff that really sucks
20:08:32 <dvanstone> msourada ,why no just use
20:08:39 <dvanstone> chrome?
20:08:51 <pcon> mizmo: yes it does
20:08:52 <msourada> Emichan, mizmo: it seems to be under heavy development, it's totally more powerful compared to half a year ago...
20:08:52 <Emichan> finalzone, i'm not sure any browser actually supports it, but it was pretty exciting back in the day...
20:09:02 <sijis> mizmo: i wanna say its called IEDev
20:09:09 <dvanstone> I could imagine IE?
20:09:42 <msourada> dvanstone, I prefer chromium to chrome, as it's 100 % open, but some UI elements really suck there (totally unmanagable when you have too many tabs)
20:09:45 <Emichan> mizmo, i've used debugbar for IE (cuz it has to work in ie too dangit!) - it is seriously lacking compared to firebug
20:09:54 <dvanstone> for what is the purpose
20:10:26 <dvanstone> It just depends on your taste some people like tomatoes also
20:10:30 <Emichan> msourada, i'll give it a shot - i usually use it somewhat when testing in webkit anyway...
20:10:46 <finalzone> emichan, it seems smil is still alive now 3.0 spec. If that is good, I frankly don't understand why no vendors use it
20:11:56 <dvanstone> I may be missing the point here? ※ whats the topic?
20:12:04 <Emichan> finalzone, me neither... although you can do SVG animation with JS, SMIL should be a lot easier to maintain then JS
20:12:04 <msourada> Emichan, hehe. Here's some older blogpost about web inspector updates: http://webkit.org/blog/1091/more-web-inspector-updates/
20:12:57 <mizmo> dvanstone, we're talking about cross browser support
20:13:01 <msourada> Emichan, and with html5 you can combine html, svg and js... all in one file... SMIL starts to loose it's purpose a bit... maybe...
20:13:55 <Emichan> msourada, i can see that, still seems like SMIL would be nice to have as an option, esp if you don't need event handling...
20:14:34 * Schendje is gonna mess around with the new www.fpo mockups :D
20:15:19 <Emichan> msourada, new web inspector features look v interesting, i'll have to give it another shot! :) do you know if wi supports plugins?
20:16:07 <msourada> Emichan, plugins? As in netscape plugins? I doubt that, but not 100 % sure.
20:16:23 <dvanstone> oh web design right up my alley I was refered here from fedora art I asked for hair extensions or addon for gimp or other art renders
20:17:38 <Emichan> msourada, plugins/extensions/whatever ;) there are some useful fb plugins and i was just wondering if wi had similar capability...
20:18:24 <Emichan> dvanstone, hair extensions? try the beauty salon ;)
20:18:38 <msourada> Emichan, aah, in that sense. Probably not. Most certainly not the firebug ones...
20:19:18 <Emichan> msourada, i wouldn't expect the fb ones to be compatible, just wondering about the possibility of porting...
20:19:32 <Schendje> mizmo: where can I get the sources for www.fpo?
20:20:42 <Schendje> mizmo: wooops, found them! :)
20:21:02 <msourada> Emichan, well, if they're useful they could be probably integrated into wi itself, but you'd have to convince the devs :D
20:23:52 <Emichan> dvanstone, i'm not sure what you're trying to do, but here's some info on creating hair in blender: http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-240/hair-strand-rendering/
20:24:29 <Emichan> dvanstone, there are also some blender hair tutorials on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1ujPlJbJI
20:25:05 <msourada> FYI, another update to my nodoka sketches: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lh41g82r7rk/THKiq9j7BPI/AAAAAAAAAU8/yW755scEahM/s1600/modern-layout.png
20:25:30 <msourada> as usual, comments welcome. Relevant blogpost: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2010/08/nodoka-gtk-engine-075-released-status.html
20:25:41 <Emichan> msourada, I really like the drop shadows under the icons! :)
20:26:01 <mizmo> Schendje, some of the header ones are in the older source file
20:26:55 <msourada> Emichan, and these are Echo icons... frankly, I created these three just for the sake of this sketch, but they'll eventually make it into echo perspective
20:26:58 <mizmo> Schendje, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_mockup.svg  it would be the one on the bottom there
20:27:21 <Emichan> msourada, can't wait, it looks really good! :)
20:27:31 <Schendje> mizmo: ok cool :)
20:28:11 <msourada> Emichan, thanks :) Thanks encouraging :) I just dread the amount of code that I'll need to write to make it actually work...
20:30:03 <Emichan> msourada, :( but it'll be worth it, right? :)
20:31:32 <msourada> Emichan, yeah, probably. Since I'll be using it myself :D
20:32:15 <Emichan> msourada, i'll be using it too! :D assuming we still use GTK at that point ;)
20:32:23 <finalzone> so much priorities that echo icon has been on hibernation mode
20:33:50 <mizmo> #endmeeting