19:01:40 #startmeeting 19:01:41 Meeting started Tue Oct 19 19:01:40 2010 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:53 we have a very light agenda today :) 19:02:04 :) 19:02:08 :) 19:02:17 light agendas are the best agendas 19:02:24 :) 19:02:31 #topic F14 release party poster 19:02:35 so Emichan posted her draft design - http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/release_14.png 19:02:38 i think it looks great 19:02:45 * msourada thinks too 19:02:50 she started a thread on the list, so we should make sure any feedback gets posted to that thread 19:02:55 yeah pretty good :) 19:02:57 #link http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/release_14.png 19:02:58 +1 19:03:07 +1 19:03:20 I wouldn't do the oblique 19:03:21 does this cover #164 (I just noticed zodbot notice about this)? 19:03:32 let me see 19:04:06 hello all 19:04:12 still, i would like the "bubble" somewhere on the poster 19:04:13 hi finalzone 19:04:20 jimmac, yeh i think the light blue distinguishes it enough without the oblique, it's a good point 19:05:01 jimmac: +1 19:05:31 so ticket 164 (https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/164) is looking for a panel, 3 x .5 m... certainly the release poster design could be configured for that though 19:06:13 can we print the background image at that size and still looking nice? 19:06:27 probably not 19:06:35 replace with plain blue? 19:06:45 yeh i think so 19:06:52 or maybe reverse on a white background, it might be cheaper to print 19:06:54 hey Emichan 19:07:00 hey 19:07:01 we were just discussing the release poster design you did 19:07:06 there were a couple of points of feedback - 19:07:09 cool 19:07:19 - maybe drop the obliques, the blue color differentiates that text enough as is 19:07:27 - maybe work the fedora bubble logomark in there somewhere 19:07:33 but that was it, overall everyone seems to like it 19:07:42 sounds good :) 19:07:46 we were also talking about the possibility of reconfiguring the design for https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/164 19:07:49 which is a release party banner 19:07:50 good work Emichan 19:08:00 thanks nicubunu 19:08:05 but maybe replacing the background with blue, or reversing the colors to go on white 19:08:06 oh, and I forgot: +1 from me about removing oblique 19:08:39 do we need a grayscale version of the poster too? 19:09:07 it's a good idea Emichan, for folks who only have B&W copiers and hanging them up on campuses or whatnot 19:09:33 it might just work printed out in b&w though, might be worth testing 19:09:45 i think it has lot more impact printed in colors 19:09:51 yeh 19:09:58 it may be hard to read in b/w 19:10:03 sure, a laser jet should work 19:10:12 i think it might still work though, if i squint and look at it, the most important info stands right out from the bg 19:10:28 so i think just to it in color with a simpler background 19:10:41 or maybe fade out the background a bit more? 19:10:55 i can play with it definitely 19:10:57 50% transparency on a black backdrop or something like that 19:11:20 the big banner may look pixelated 19:11:23 i think the layout is great though, all the most important information is easy to read, stands out, and it looks like will be able to be read from a distance as well 19:11:34 oh yeh for the big banner, drop the background entirely i think 19:11:40 sorry i was talking just in poster lol 19:11:45 for the poster i think we are OK 19:12:06 Emichan, do you want to take on the banner in ticket 164 too, or we'll find someone else to take it on using your sources? 19:12:06 the white text is visible 19:12:27 hold on let me take a look 19:12:31 kk 19:12:58 we have a lot of great work going on this release, im thinking of doing a blog post highlighting everything - the countdown banners, the disc/sleeve artwork, this release poster 19:13:40 I think i can get the banner done in time, so I'll claim it if no one else wants it 19:13:52 okay awesome :) 19:14:07 mizmo: wallpapers: simple, animated, extras (props to the packager) 19:14:21 #action Emichan taking a look at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/164 from release party poster design 19:14:34 totally. BTW. have you caught a glimpse of the issue we have had with the animated backgrounds -- some spins went oversize so I had to make it optional :( we should announce this more in advance to let people prepare for it... 19:14:36 yep!! animated wallpapers and the supplemental / extras are going to be a big hit too 19:14:50 msourada, yeh i forgot how long it has been for us to ship animated ones 19:14:51 :( 19:15:18 I believe waves were the last ones... or at least our wiki says so :D 19:15:31 maybe next release, maybe, we could do a transparent-backed svg design and change the background color underneath it, then it won't be any extra file size 19:15:34 yes, wave was the last 19:15:52 waves was kind of a disaster (entirely my fault) 19:16:01 hmm, are svg cpu intensive? 19:16:02 i think we've come a long way from then 19:16:22 finalzone, i think it depends how complex they are. right now we ship some in the default wallpaper capplet and they are pretty light-weight 19:16:28 mizmo: SVGs are a no-no. Too much issues I can think of and not all of them are CPU related :( 19:16:48 finalzone, ohhhh 19:16:52 they are transparent PNGs not SVGs 19:16:59 okay 19:17:02 well transparent PNGs then :) 19:17:03 we can have *very simple* SVGs 19:17:32 nicubunu: that would mean minimalistic design... hard to do to look as awesome as f14 wallpaper... 19:17:52 #action mizmo to do a blog post highlighting the design work for f14 - countdown banners, disc/sleeve artwork, release poster, animated backgrounds, supplemental wallpapers, 19:17:55 msourada: correct 19:17:56 ^ forgetting anything? 19:18:06 three design ninjas this past release cycle :) 19:18:15 maybe some desktop team should take a hint to enlightenment 19:18:20 just noticed your post about the third one :) 19:18:24 finalzone, what does enlightenment do? 19:18:52 mizmo, animated wallpapers 19:18:53 * mizmo hasn't used enlightenment since 1999 or thereabouts o_O 19:19:02 finalzone, do you know what format they are in? 19:19:06 isn't enlightenment really memory hungry? 19:19:39 a mix of png and e custom format 19:20:06 well 19:20:14 i wonder if we did a transparent png 19:20:21 finalzone, so something similar to what we have -- mix of PNGs and some custom XML... 19:20:24 could the slideshow xml format change the gradient underneath 19:20:29 i *think* it can 19:20:45 i might do a proposal, if only for the experiment of it, to see if it'd be workable 19:20:54 maybe with some cleverness it could look cool 19:21:00 well... we can make a RFE for that :) 19:21:08 mizmo, I think the gradient bellow is specified in "the other XML"... 19:21:15 yep! maybe if we ask this early on if could be done 19:21:20 msourada, I think enlightenment is fairly light. I will do the test on my XO laptop 19:21:55 #action RFE to ask for color/gradient change in xml for slideshows? 19:22:01 finalzone: I might be wrong, but I believe I heard something about that being much worse than both GNOME and KDE in terms of memory... :D 19:23:16 msourada, then it is time to verify E claim about good on 1GHZ CPU and 1Gb memory 19:24:09 hehe 19:24:20 1GB is quite a lot for a requirement :D my gnome usually manages with <800MB with lots of apps running :D 19:24:25 we had a couple of new folks ask about joining the team today 19:24:34 is anyone new to the team around and want to say hi? 19:24:53 * mizmo looks a dottedfish and winks 19:24:56 s/a/at 19:25:26 well, the only other thing we have on our agenda is the RPG 19:25:30 #topic RPG 19:25:36 ive been really bad and never set the time for the meeting - 19:25:56 this week is the final crunch for getting the new www.fedoraproject.org ready to go and it's eaten up more time than i thought it would :( 19:26:09 but nicubunu wrote up a nice document for the rpg 19:26:26 mizmo: should i blog that to raise interest? 19:26:37 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-October/003411.html 19:26:46 mizmo: meaning the stg.fp.o will go to www.fp.o soon? 19:26:51 nicubunu, yeh i think that would be awesome!!! 19:27:02 msourada, yep, next week! 19:27:08 we are trying to launch the week before F14 goes lives 19:27:10 ok, doing it after the meeting 19:27:41 mizmo: oh, awesome (sorry for hijacking the agenda item) :) 19:27:43 Schendje put together a list of the bugs in the site we've been working to fix in #fedora-websites https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign/WwwfpoFixes 19:27:50 oh no it's all cool, no hijacking here :) 19:28:38 looks like a quite a long list... 19:28:40 * Schendje is sort of working on it right now 19:28:46 i really like your writeup nicubunu, im looking over it again to see if there are any points we could clarify now 19:28:55 ok 19:28:59 user name/nick <= the person's FAS id, right? 19:29:10 ideally 19:29:12 mizmo: most of it seems to be coming together nicely, but we still need to discuss the front page slideshow :/ 19:29:27 the name the person is known with, IRC an such 19:29:29 whether or not we're gonna chance that, and how it'll look 19:29:48 sometimes people's irc nick isn't the same as their FAS account though. maybe we should offer a choice between the two 19:29:57 or automatically fill in FAS, but let the user change it to something custom if they want 19:30:40 lol, I can already imagine people having one name in fas, another nick in irc and yet another nick in fedora rpg... >:-) 19:31:00 side note for msourada: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about&l=en 19:31:14 well 19:31:28 if we do it based on IRC nick in FAS.... they can change their IRC nick in FAS if they need to because it's an editable field 19:31:31 i think we should encourage using the same name but not force that 19:31:35 so maybe it's better to just go off of FAS-listed IRC nick 19:31:40 if they want to change that, they can in FAS 19:31:44 so they aren't totally locked in 19:31:52 i know that my FAS name is duffy, but most people know me by mizmo 19:31:53 sound good 19:32:00 also i am getting married soon and 'duffy' won't be my real name anymore lol 19:32:07 finalzone: nice, thanks 19:32:17 okay so... 19:32:29 #info RPG username is pulled from the editable FAS IRC nick field 19:32:48 so customizations... 19:32:59 are customizations just how the avatar is dressed up? maybe the background behind the avatar? 19:33:05 Sorry.. i am late 19:33:06 both 19:33:19 Wasp: no worries, welcome :) 19:33:24 but they will have different prices 19:33:32 okay cool 19:33:42 changing the background would cost more than a pair of glasses 19:33:46 maybe we can make a plainer set for cheapest, and the most elaborate ones are more expensive 19:33:53 but make sure there are full sets at each price point 19:33:54 sure 19:34:04 i mean, we dont want people to have to go pantless until they make 10000 points lol 19:34:08 (unless they want to anyway) 19:34:13 everyone can just start out naked like in manaworld ;) 19:34:13 they can wear a potato sack for 1 point 19:34:16 lol 19:34:19 if the avatar is a panda... 19:34:36 do the pandas really need pants? 19:34:37 ah i guess the panda icons i did for the website are pantless 19:34:40 are we going to offer different avatars too? 19:34:43 naked pandas, what is this madness? 19:34:45 if donald duck doesnt need pants, panda doesnt 19:34:52 +1 no pants 19:34:55 but it can be an option 19:34:59 i want to have a panda in a dress 19:35:16 on a unicycle? 19:35:17 I want a panda in a three-piece suit with a monocle :) 19:35:26 oooh that sounds cute Emichan :) 19:35:34 pcon, lol that could be a sweet upgrade 19:35:37 ok guys, but you will have to draw those accessories 19:35:50 Emichan: who doesn't! :( 19:36:10 nicubunu, should we do 5-6 bodytypes total, or 5-6 per gender? (~10-12 total?) 19:36:15 any crazy idea is accepted as long as it is backed by graphics. in SVG 19:36:22 #info Pantless avatars are okay because they are pandas 19:36:30 i think we should also offer penguins and zonies as avatars 19:36:30 let's start simple, 6 in total 19:36:35 KISS 19:36:40 ZONIES!!!! 19:36:45 kiss zonies? 19:36:51 if we go with pie in the sky we may get stuck in implementation 19:37:07 http://www.hemmy.net/images/animals/zony01.jpg <= an upgrade will be wings and a unicorn horn 19:37:28 omg now i want an invisible pink zonicorn! 19:37:29 #info KISS to start, but maybe expand to zonies and penguins at some point 19:37:30 nicubunu: yeah this is fun but i think we need to think carefully about the actual concept 19:37:31 how about that 19:37:32 lol 19:37:47 #info 5-6 base panda options to start 19:38:00 maybe as people earn points we'll make more advanced base avatars as upgrades 19:38:09 mizmo ++ 19:38:16 if the body type is that different (panda and zony) we will need a lot more graphics for accessories 19:38:24 oh has anybody seen this: http://avatars.yahoo.com/ 19:38:40 * msourada would like to have ninja avatar, pants included ;-) 19:38:43 yes 19:39:01 We're sorry, Yahoo! Avatars doesn't currently support your operating system and/or browser. 19:39:20 #info outfit ideas: 3-piece-suit monocle panda, ninja panda, panda in a pretty dress, panda in overalls 19:39:31 yahoo wants me to sign in >=( 19:39:36 #info outfit ideas: panda with wings, panda with zony T-shirt 19:39:51 yahoo has a few types of avatar accessories 19:39:55 they have full outfits, which you can't split 19:40:01 i think i showed you a similar avatar builder (but 3D) in facebook 19:40:07 they have pieces you can assemble together 19:40:15 they have accessories (from a panda doll to a scarf to sunglasses) 19:40:57 http://avatar.yahoo.co.jp/ this one is older, it might work on your browser Emichan 19:41:01 mizmo: the ninja outfits could be special rewards for design (and other) ninjas ;-) 19:41:06 thanks mizmo! 19:41:10 pandas!!!! 19:41:14 they added pandas, they are so cute 19:41:23 nope still doesn't work :( 19:41:28 look: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs406.snc4/46933_137942159584193_100001052307750_216219_4292760_n.jpg 19:41:28 ohhhh :( suck 19:41:36 interesting links: http://www.slideshare.net/dings/just-add-points-what-ux-can-and-cannot-learn-from-games 19:41:39 http://www.slideshare.net/dings/pawned-gamification-and-its-discontents 19:42:03 that one kind of looks like a mii from nintendo nicubunu 19:42:10 we should have a sad panda avatar too 19:42:42 sure, happy panda, sad panda, serious panda, all boys and girls 19:43:06 mizmo: also looks like the Sims game for wii 19:43:29 mizmo: "mysims" http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mysims_beach.jpg 19:43:57 Schendje, 'NRA varmint hunter' och lol 19:44:05 oh those are so cute 19:44:23 this is one of the yahoo.jp ones http://k.yimg.jp/images/avt12/anm_newcoordinate1_20101013_1f806580.gif 19:44:28 we could totally do animation like that 19:44:54 this is another one http://k.yimg.jp/images/avt12/anm_contestwin1_389_a90fff75.gif 19:45:24 uh, isn't animation a little over the top? :P 19:45:39 yeah the animation is a little ... um... 19:45:49 yes, i want to go with cartoon graphics, like mizmo's pandas 19:45:52 lol but sparkling zonies.... 19:46:06 lol 19:46:09 a little zony unicorn horn that sparkles every 30 sec 19:46:10 ooo shiny! 19:46:50 Schendje, so the discontents preso - i think we kind of fit with his model, because his complaint is that if the game lacks any concept of challenge or mastery, people won't want to play 19:47:02 Kitsch 19:47:09 Schendje, but when you do things like a design bounty or learning how to package software, you're learning something new, building mastery 19:47:41 hello! sorry i was at dinner andit ran over, id like to raise LibreGraphicsMag.com again, they didnt get any submissions related to Fedora for issue 1, and issue 2 is in 3.5 months so there is more time for that :) 19:48:09 * mizmo sad, she didnt have time to write up her proposal 19:48:22 i will send it for issue 2! 19:48:54 :) 19:48:58 #info *maybe* animation for avatars, but not over-the-top like this one: http://k.yimg.jp/images/avt12/anm_newcoordinate1_20101013_1f806580.gif 19:49:08 mizmo: the girl guides thing could be rad 19:49:28 davelab6, oh true! ill have two proposals then :) 19:49:32 there used to be a gimp icon on slashdot with Wilber blinking 19:49:34 our first class was on friday 19:49:44 nicubunu, yeh something subtle like that i think might be a good animation 19:50:00 where the character blinks occasionally (not constnatly!) 19:50:22 once every 10-20 seconds 19:50:38 #info subtle animation like blinking every 10-20 seconds is good 19:50:56 okay let me look at the doc again 19:51:03 i think we have some good outfit ideas 19:51:07 davelab6: i have a fontforge question once you have a free second ;) 19:51:36 okay so the medals are gonna be separate from the avatars like in the playstation network widgets 19:52:12 how do we want the medals to look? 19:52:23 should they be like trophies? or medals hanging on a ribbon? both? 19:52:57 this is what the Playstation one looks like http://fp.profiles.us.playstation.com/playstation/psn/pid/mairin.png 19:53:08 I think both - trophies for some things, medals for others 19:53:09 they have 4 different trophy levels, and they show on the graph how many you received of each 19:53:19 something like that might be good, because then there's a limited amount of artwork 19:53:30 look here and wait a little: http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicgimp.gif 19:53:53 lol i had never noticed that nicubunu, its very neat :) 19:54:07 someone on planet fedora had a blinking avatar at one point 19:54:24 so if we had say 5 trophy levels 19:54:27 maybe the bottom 2 would be medals 19:54:34 #3 and #4 would be trophies 19:54:37 trohpies > medals 19:54:38 and maybe #5 would be something awesome 19:54:55 something fancy 19:54:58 mizmo: this one? http://nicubunu.ro/gfx/bleeding.gif 19:55:12 nicubunu, lol did you ever have that one set? 19:55:18 the one i saw was a bit more subtle lol 19:55:21 don't remember, is old 19:55:24 that is some cool animation though 19:55:33 reminds me of oblivion which i just started playing :) 19:55:46 made frame by frame in inkscape 19:55:58 mizmo: i can never get past the create-your-character screen in that game 19:56:03 mizmo: that's the best part lol 19:56:32 Schendje, oh i know we spent almost an hour on it lol 19:56:40 could anyone summarize the topic real quick? :p I was out and I'll be back in a minute 19:56:52 dottedfish, we're talking about the Fedora RPG right now 19:57:10 so i think it would be good for next week maybe to have some rough mockups of what the widget will look like 19:57:13 there'll be an rpg? what engine 19:57:19 dottedfish, we're building it :) 19:57:28 it'll be a new engine i think 19:57:28 iso styled? 19:57:50 dottedfish, what does iso mean? 19:57:59 iso is 45° perspective 19:58:07 ohhhh isometric... 19:58:19 well we were thinking it would be more like yahoo avatar style i think 19:58:26 no, it won't be like that 19:58:27 the actual 'game' is contributing to free software 19:58:46 our game will be mostly a website badge :) 19:58:47 mhh, so it's a vector animation based platformer? 19:58:53 yahoo avis are pretty much flat 19:59:00 yeh it's going to be flat 19:59:05 the avatar is just going to show status mostly 19:59:19 it'll be similar to the playstation network widgets 19:59:22 http://fp.profiles.us.playstation.com/playstation/psn/pid/mairin.png 19:59:26 #link http://fp.profiles.us.playstation.com/playstation/psn/pid/mairin.png 19:59:40 another big piece to this 19:59:42 i think will be some website 19:59:47 where people can look for 'quests' to join 19:59:53 look at other players' rankings 19:59:55 and team rosters 20:00:15 are there any outlines yet for the project? because I find it hard to imagine a platformer RPG - reminds me of maple story a bit 20:00:19 that could be similar to open hatch, maybe an open hatch instance? 20:00:23 dottedfish, it's not a platformer - 20:00:35 dottedfish, see nicubunu's writeup http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-October/003411.html 20:00:51 are you thinking of real players actually moving around or rather an accumulation of points from posts etc. to build up a character much like in gaja online 20:01:16 dottedfish, more the latter! you build up points by doing activities in fedora, then the character reflects your points 20:01:23 does that make more sense? 20:01:50 nicubunu, any ideas on how big the characters should be? 20:02:00 should they be usable as hackergotchi? so maybe 120x120px? 20:02:11 yes, that sounds fair 20:02:17 you'd have to evaluate if you want it to be mobile or not I assume 20:02:27 #info characters will be 120x120 px and usable as hackergotchi 20:02:33 also if it should be done static, in flash or html5 20:02:41 but the background may be larger... 20:02:46 NO FLASH 20:02:54 dottedfish, ah thats a good point, we could design an alternate stylesheet for mobile viewing, maybe have a script to generate smaller image versions 20:02:59 yeh no flash :) html5++ :) 20:03:08 that's where we will kick yahoo avatars butt :) 20:03:15 or it may be a JS widget 20:03:27 no FLASH, awesome 20:03:28 with html5 you wouldn't have to worry that much about avatar size initially I assume 20:03:39 you can pretty much scale by using vectors 20:03:49 * finalzone had to keep windows because of Flash development =( 20:04:11 i wait for feedback on that from who will do the coding 20:04:31 well i think maybe to start we'd keep it simple and stick to png, but maybe i'm overestimating the complexity svg introduces 20:04:42 i mean, we could start with tagged-up SVGs and have scripts to generate the pngs 20:04:43 it will probably make the most sense to use a server-side image library like imagick to create pngs 20:05:25 so we upload an avatar SVG file, and the script automagically walks through the svg to png-ize them? 20:05:35 that could be cool actually 20:05:37 something like that ;) 20:05:40 if we define a set of tags in SVG 20:05:43 to define the avatar format 20:05:55 eg 20:06:00 we define object 'sunglasses' 20:06:16 and maybe panda 1 and panda 2 are different sizes, but each has a sunglasses layer, and if you win sunglasses no matter which panda you have you get them 20:06:38 if we have objects and coordinates, export to PNG and assemble with imagemagick could work and is simple 20:06:38 is it okay if some pandas have objects other pandas dont? 20:07:05 it should be fine 20:07:06 or should they always be applicable to all? 20:07:17 that would add complexity to the objects "store" 20:07:20 #info consider imagemagick server-side for generating pngs 20:07:38 so maybe better that if you add one object, all avatars have it available (and maybe it is as simple as changing coordinates) 20:08:05 is simple if we draw the objects having this in mind 20:10:02 yeh 20:10:08 it'll just be a matter of putting it all together server-side 20:10:08 okay, let's make it a rule for now then 20:10:28 #info each object should be available for each avatar. having objects apply only to certain avatars will complicated the system so we should avoid it 20:10:36 cool 20:10:40 i think we've made some good progress 20:10:43 we're about 10 minutes over now 20:10:45 but 20:10:49 #topic open floor 20:10:54 does anyone have anything else to bring up? 20:11:18 #info note no Fedora proposals for the Libre graphics magazine 1, but we can send a proposal for issue 2 20:12:22 * mizmo eager to start sketching out panda avatars this weekend :) 20:12:28 ok I have been gone for a few seconds 20:12:41 the complexity of png isn't much less 20:12:47 * Emichan wants to go draw suits on pandas right now 20:12:49 if you generate custom avatars that is 20:12:50 Can someone tell me what open floor is? sorry... 20:13:11 WaspStung you can bring up any topic, the floor is open 20:13:16 WaspStung, hey! open floor just means if you have any questions or ideas you want to bring up, on *any* topic, you should do it now :) 20:13:24 * nicubunu wants to draw small accessories: ice cream, funny hats, tattoos... 20:13:33 i want a strawberry hat for my panda 20:13:50 WaspStung, open floor pretty much means our agenda is over so we can just chat :) 20:14:14 i expect craziness, each of us implementing his own wild ideas 20:14:26 it's good though 20:14:28 will anyone summarize todays meeting somewhere? ;P 20:14:31 we each have different styles too probably 20:14:37 dottedfish, yep im going to post it to our mailing list! 20:14:40 dottedfish, are you subscribed to it? 20:14:47 Super! thanks. well i have a question. I am new around as you saw from my mail last night. i was wondering if it would be ok to take a task from the design spool or it there is something more urgent then i could help. 20:14:49 wait a sec, I'm working on it 20:15:00 so the first who draws some panda has the chance to set the style? 20:15:11 ^^ hint, hint! 20:15:24 dottedfish, you can see meeting minutes here too: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/ 20:15:26 panda hat takes 5 seconds :p 20:15:33 i am refering to the ticket system 20:15:41 but I'm not into panda hats so I'll skip on that^^ 20:15:44 WaspStung: yes, take one 20:16:02 we are relaxed, at the end of a release cycle 20:16:13 panda bikini? 20:16:28 * nicubunu is a known perv 20:17:20 WaspStung, let me look at the design pool and see what might be good for you to take in terms of urgency 20:17:25 onesec, okay? 20:18:02 WaspStung, you are Felipe right? 20:18:47 WaspStung, are you familiar with skinning Drupal? 20:18:54 ok I just subbed the list 20:18:59 ya 20:19:01