17:46:30 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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17:46:32 <mizmo> hehe
17:46:36 <mizmo> now we'll have a log
17:47:28 <schendjeeeeeee> so, just for the record
17:47:38 <schendjeeeeeee> some of us are at fudcon tempe right now having a hackfest
17:47:51 <schendjeeeeeee> working on the wallpaper a bit, brainstorming and creating mockups
17:51:45 <mizmo> i'm going to post screenshots of WIP to the dveelopment wiki page
17:51:49 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork/Development
17:53:10 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/1/12/Mockingbird-stripes-1-mo.png/1024px-Mockingbird-stripes-1-mo.png
17:55:52 <schendjeeeeeee> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Mockingbird-stripes-2-jef.png
17:56:16 <mizmo> i'm uploading our assets here http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%20Themes/F15/Alpha%20Development/
17:56:44 <schendjeeeeeee> i love this cover: http://www.purplebearbooks.com/images/nightingalelarge.jpg
17:56:51 <mizmo> schendjeeeeeee: sweet do you have an xcf?
17:56:54 <mizmo> i want to try to mix ours hehe
17:57:07 <schendjeeeeeee> oh, right
17:57:09 <mizmo> oh wow i really like that one too
17:58:56 <sijis> mizmo: schendjeeeeeee (nice nick) --- any idea on hopefully changing the current fudcon image in fp.o with a Tempe one?
17:59:35 <schendjeeeeeee> sijis: oh right we should totally do that
17:59:44 <schendjeeeeeee> i'll ask around for the group photo
17:59:55 <schendjeeeeeee> sijis: how was the trip btw?
18:01:02 <sijis> schendjeeeeeee: it was ok. sad to go home and miss out on hackfest
18:01:25 <schendjeeeeeee> yeah :(
18:01:33 <schendjeeeeeee> anyway, there were plans for a panorama i think
18:01:37 <schendjeeeeeee> but not sure if that's still going to happen
18:01:55 <schendjeeeeeee> but i can take care of it and put it on the website once i've got it :)
18:02:27 <schendjeeeeeee> tsk tsk Emichan, you're late! >=(
18:02:44 <Emichan> i was in fedora-fudcon :P
18:03:20 <sijis> yeah, cool.
18:03:50 <schendjeeeeeee> Emichan: i will not tolerate these excuses :P
18:04:04 <Emichan> what are you going to do about it?
18:05:10 <schendjeeeeeee> mizmo: i put the source on the wiki page
18:05:15 <mizmo> yay
18:08:55 <tatica> O/
18:10:08 <sijis> tatica: hey :) - i didn't get a chance to say 'adios'
18:10:20 <tatica> ohhhh did you already leave?
18:10:23 <tatica> nooooooooo....
18:10:24 <tatica> :(
18:15:00 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/d/d0/Mockingbird-stripes-3-mo-jef.png/1024px-Mockingbird-stripes-3-mo-jef.png
18:17:36 <tatica> mizmo: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/105/b/3/japanese_lotus_tree_by_panjer.jpg
18:17:37 <sijis> tatica: yeah, i left yesterday afternoon
18:17:58 <tatica> sijis: :(
18:18:03 <tatica> sijis: that's a shame
18:18:27 <suehle> I just came in--what's the lotus tree? It's beautiful.
18:18:55 <schendjeeeeeee> hi suehle, some of the mockups are here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork/Development
18:19:19 <schendjeeeeeee> the leafy things are from openclipart though, i didn't make those myself :)
18:19:32 <tatica> brb
18:19:36 <schendjeeeeeee> x-ray bird! http://imgur.com/eOaCz
18:23:51 <mizmo> hehe
18:23:59 <mizmo> i like that better than big birds
18:26:58 <tatica> back
18:27:49 <schendjeeeeeee> fun fact: "big bird" from sesame street is called "pino" in dutch
18:27:55 <schendjeeeeeee> and he/she's blue :S
18:28:01 <schendjeeeeeee> what's that about
18:28:20 <sijis> blue? seriously
18:29:48 <schendjeeeeeee> pretty random huh
18:30:05 <schendjeeeeeee> http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/10/3/7/0/47694422502970477.jpg
18:30:30 <schendjeeeeeee> (i'm so glad we've got the design channel, otherwise you would all miss out on valuable info like this)
18:30:47 <schendjeeeeeee> who knows when you're gonna get a question about big bird in a job interview!
21:56:21 <wonderer> schendjeeeeeeeee: ping
21:58:17 <schendjeeeeeeeee> hey wonderer
22:00:17 <wonderer> schendjeeeeeeeee: qry plz ;-)
22:00:23 <ianweller> schendjeeeeeeeee: how did you acquire so many vowels
22:01:29 <schendjeeeeeeeee> ianweller: years of training and patience
22:12:22 <schendjeeeeeeeee> csenger: ping
22:12:33 <csenger> schendjeeeeeeeee: pong
22:12:51 <schendjeeeeeeeee> hi csenger... we just saw your commits to the image annotation app
22:13:09 <schendjeeeeeeeee> just wondering what you're working on :)
22:14:12 <csenger> schendjeeeeeeeee: I accidentally saw that you use it and want to extend it.
22:14:28 <schendjeeeeeeeee> csenger: excellent :)
22:14:41 <csenger> schendjeeeeeeeee: I was working on a prototype for an idea mizmo had a while ago (designhub)
22:14:52 <schendjeeeeeeeee> oh, that was you
22:14:55 <schendjeeeeeeeee> what's the company called again...
22:15:01 <schendjeeeeeeeee> isotope something?
22:15:07 <csenger> no, that was isotope 11
22:15:19 <schendjeeeeeeeee> ah right
22:15:34 <csenger> but the project stalled and I hat time and it was fun.
22:15:53 <schendjeeeeeeeee> yeah so this is sort of a very very basic version of the design hub, taking one of the ideas and getting it to work
22:16:12 <schendjeeeeeeeee> csenger: oh you're very welcome, talk to me or Emichan anytime :)
22:16:37 <csenger> I need some more flexibility for the plugin (other forms and display templates, more callbacks, threaded commenting) and thought I write the unittests in your repo
22:17:09 <csenger> was just convenient
22:17:14 <csenger> :)
22:17:16 <schendjeeeeeeeee> cool
22:17:54 <csenger> maybe it's useful for you when you want to add extensions to the plugin.
22:19:57 <schendjeeeeeeeee> uhuh yep i'll keep an eye on it, thanks
22:22:11 <csenger> And I am lurking around for a while. Fedora has a real nice community.
12:22:19 <FranciscoD> ianweller: is there a place I can add something for tonight's meeting?
12:22:49 <FranciscoD> It'll be 1am here, so I might not make it, but I'd like to put forward the design-suite comps patch for the team to review
12:22:54 <FranciscoD> (before I submit it)
12:23:13 <FranciscoD> I will, of course, send it to the list also
19:03:15 <msourada> Is there a meeting today?
13:34:24 <tatica> :D
13:40:49 <gnokii> huhu tatica
13:42:35 <tatica> gnokii, ;:*****************
13:43:21 <gnokii> how was ur fudcon trip?
13:43:37 <tatica> amazing! I have so much stories and stuffs to do
13:44:52 <gnokii> yeah publishing al photos u took :D
13:46:44 <tatica> ujum
01:03:15 <ricky> Woah, just saw the birds wallpaper on planet
01:03:17 <ricky> It looks awesome
01:03:19 <ricky> It reminds me of http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/08/24/birdsong-a-requiem-for-drm/
12:04:23 <tatica> morning
12:07:05 <wonderer> dito
12:10:24 <tatica> lol
13:44:20 <biertie> anyone here coming to fosdem and has an A3 printer and wants to create a poster quickly (doesn't have to extra special fancy)
15:10:59 <schendje> hi mizmo
15:11:16 <schendje> how's the weather up there? heard you got home safely at least
15:12:19 <mizmo> too damn cold lol
15:12:45 <schendje> hehe
15:12:50 <schendje> i'll believe that
15:13:37 <jsmith> mizmo: I thought it was funny that when my flight left at 1:00am Tuesday, they were still paging you in the airport
15:13:40 <jsmith> mizmo: I went over to the counter and told them "Hey, I think she's already in Boston", but they didn't believe me at first
15:14:06 <jsmith> mizmo: Then finally they read the notes on the ticket and said "Oh yeah -- we messed up.  Thanks for saving us more headaches."
15:14:14 <tatica> schendje, mizmo, :***
15:14:20 <tatica> jsmith, :*
15:14:28 <schendje> tatica: a :* to you too ;)
15:14:41 <jsmith> Hello tatica!
15:14:45 <jsmith> Hello all!
15:15:12 <schendje> hey there jsmith
15:15:30 * jsmith made it to Brussels in one piece, but his brain is still in Arizona
15:15:46 <schendje> jsmith: FOSDEM starts this Saturday, correct?
15:16:03 <tatica> wow
15:16:24 <jsmith> schendje: Yes, that's correct
15:16:38 <schendje> jsmith: great, maybe i'll run into you there
15:16:40 <jsmith> schendje: You coming?
15:16:43 <jsmith> Awesome
15:16:57 <schendje> planning too go at least on Saturday
15:18:59 <tatica> mizmo, can you help me do some noise with this http://www.flickr.com/groups/fudcontempe2011/ ?
15:20:11 <schendje> tatica: the first picture is excellent ;)
15:20:49 <tatica> that's not good
15:20:52 <tatica> see the last ones
15:21:05 <tatica> jsmith, I still need to package the photos you take and send them to you
15:21:11 <tatica> s/take/took
15:21:12 <mizmo> jsmith, im pretty mad at delta. they won't issue a refund even tho the lady at the ticket counter assured me i wasn't getting home if i didnt switch my flight
15:21:19 <mizmo> jsmith, they kind of goofed up all up and down
15:21:27 <mizmo> tatica, sure
15:21:34 <mizmo> tatica, i need to add mine to it lol
15:22:11 <tatica> yeah!
15:22:15 <tatica> add them all, there is no limit to post
15:22:44 <jsmith> mizmo: Yeah, I'd be upset at them too...
15:22:47 <jsmith> tatica: Thanks!
15:25:09 <tatica> :)
15:40:22 <schendje> so does anyone know if there was a group photo taken in Tempe? :(
15:40:34 <schendje> because i haven't seen it nor heard of anybody doing so :(
15:40:38 <tatica> schendje, afaik, no
15:40:46 <tatica> I did it bad... waiting to the last day
15:40:53 <tatica> I should had done it at the first one :\
15:41:57 <schendje> ok, i'm just asking cause otherwise we could change the group photo on www.fpo
15:42:20 <schendje> tatica: awesome photos in that pool though! i love this one haha: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5410431035/in/pool-1619500@N21/
15:42:44 <tatica> lol, that's jsmith work
15:42:44 <schendje> max going all out and you standing there laughing :D
15:42:48 <tatica> I should add who take some
15:42:50 <tatica> let me do it
15:42:56 <tatica> schendje, did you check yours?
15:43:28 <schendje> tatica: you mean photos taken by me or *of* me?
15:43:36 <tatica> of you
15:43:56 <tatica> I only have see mizmo , colby and markdude photos :\
15:44:53 <mizmo> schendje, there was a dseign team group photo :)
15:45:14 <schendje> mizmo: hehe that's true
15:46:11 <tatica> I have the link, wait
15:46:30 <tatica> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#
15:46:52 <tatica> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568818433197579778
15:46:56 <tatica> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568818431254420994
15:50:24 * jsmith reboots to help out with the Fedora Test Day
15:51:10 <mizmo> yay
21:08:32 <tatica> mizmo, ping
21:15:29 <ciupicri> is there a (wiki) page with all the themes for the last Fedora releases?
21:16:04 <tatica> yup
21:16:31 <ianweller> ciupicri: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers -- is that what you are looking for?
21:16:58 <ciupicri> ianweller, yeah, it's good enough to have an idea; thanks!
21:29:47 <ciupicri> this is a bit off-topic, but is the earth&moon animated background working on Fedora 14? I have installed earth-and-moon-backgrounds-common-0.2-1.fc12.noarch.rpm and earth-and-moon-backgrounds-single-0.2-1.fc12.noarch.rpm, but I'm getting a white background.
12:28:09 <tatica> morning
20:19:38 <schendje> mizmo: wooo Fedora Notitie is almost done http://jefvanschendel.nl/ImageAnnotation/index.php?i=testimage4
20:19:41 <schendje> :)
20:20:19 <schendje> (we renamed it, too)
20:20:39 <schendje> i'll do a blog post once Emichan has the latest version on her site
20:24:10 <ianweller> schendje: nottie is the fucking most awesome thing ever.
20:24:11 <ianweller> fyi
20:24:15 <ianweller> it makes me so happy.
20:24:27 <schendje> ianweller: i love nothing more than making you happy ;)
20:24:50 <schendje> nah that's great to hear, thanks :)
20:25:05 <ianweller> :D
20:31:33 <schendje> btw we've set up a launchpad page for bugs: https://launchpad.net/notitie
20:31:51 <schendje> if anyone finds something that bothers them or should be added
20:53:55 <wonderer> schendje: only that I can not do anything with the notes after set them .... also I miss a list of the notes ..
20:54:30 <wonderer> schendje: baut ist a GREAT idea. Cool.
20:54:33 <schendje> wonderer: you can still move / edit / delete them after they're created, right?
20:54:49 <schendje> wonderer: and yeah a list would probably be good... we were thinking of an "export" option
20:55:03 <wonderer> schendje: no. no moving or so...
20:55:03 <schendje> so we can also copy/paste in mailing lists and such
20:55:07 <schendje> oh
20:55:09 <schendje> that's not good
20:55:13 <schendje> because that should work :)
20:55:39 <schendje> wonderer: if you click on an existing note, the edit window should appear
20:55:43 <schendje> but with you it does nothing?
20:56:14 <wonderer> yeah, that copy & paste would be cool. Because I'm thinking of having lets say 10 or 20 annotations that are all overlapping and I want ONE specific one with a URL in it but can not pinpoint it ...
20:56:51 <wonderer> or if I could personalize my "Account" and find replies to my annotations ... would also be cool, but maybe in version 2.0 or so :-)
20:57:06 <schendje> no problem with thinking ahead ;)
20:57:23 <wonderer> schendje: Ah, the "klick" thing i missed. But I can edit ALL Annotations, right?
20:57:31 <schendje> wonderer: yes
20:57:36 <schendje> wonderer: or at least, you should
20:58:00 <schendje> wonderer: we'll just have to trust that others don't mess with them :)
20:58:18 <wonderer> schendje: so it would be not so cool to use it for productive purpose ;-)
20:58:28 <schendje> lol
20:58:38 <wonderer> schendje: could it maybe combined with the FAS ?
20:58:55 <schendje> wonderer: I don't know, but for now i'm not really worried yet
20:59:04 <schendje> that will bring a whole new set of problems probably
20:59:19 <wonderer> probably, yes :-)
21:00:14 <wonderer> schendje: I just added two notes with the content "URL1" and "URL2" ... but for now you only will see the "URL1" note ... have fun ;-)
21:00:54 <wonderer> Ok, that was a bad one to klick two times on the "add note" and not to move the original one harharhar ;-)
21:02:06 <schendje> wonderer: hey, stop breaking the system ;)
21:03:42 <wonderer> schendje: I'm a Pen tester ... thats my daily job, sorry :-D
21:17:32 <wonderer> ups, did I say something wrong ...
21:18:13 <wonderer> :-)
03:05:03 <tatica> O/
11:58:24 <tatica> morning
12:01:42 <gnokii> morning tatica
12:01:55 <tatica> gnokii, Mr. Hamburguer
12:02:03 <gnokii> :D
12:02:12 * gnokii hides tatica is hungry
12:02:21 <tatica> lol
12:02:24 <tatica> in fact... I am
12:02:27 <tatica> but I cannot eat
12:02:29 <tatica> :(
12:04:18 <tatica> ok.. I need help
12:04:33 <tatica> anyone in the design team knows about svg animation? I need help with a project :\
12:32:40 <gnokii> use synfig
12:32:59 <gnokii> or u mean svg animation with smil?
12:38:24 <tatica> I guess I can use synfig
13:05:17 <gnokii> big learning curve
13:05:48 <gnokii> tatica flisol pages had last year a half transparent menu did u that with css or javascript?
13:08:12 <tatica> hmmm, don't remember
13:08:15 <tatica> must be css
13:10:20 <gnokii> do u have the code from last year?
13:12:32 <tatica> probably, but at home
13:12:40 <tatica> would you remind me that this weekend?
13:26:22 <gnokii> yeah, I do its not so important have a little fight with a collegue, she says isnt possible with css
13:30:34 <tatica> but if you need help I can do (I mean, if you have already a css and want to fix it)
13:43:32 <gnokii> no right now I do only a mockup, coding can do others ;)
13:45:56 <tatica> lol
13:45:57 <tatica> hahaha
15:55:23 <zodbot> Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #175 (task created): error on FOSDEM media sleeves <https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/175>
20:48:14 <tatica> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Fedora_Artwork/hackergotchis/
20:51:56 <schendje> tatica: ooo are those from fudcon, tatica?
20:52:14 <tatica> yes!!
20:52:22 <tatica> I still have to do something funny with the rest of the faces
20:52:44 <schendje> haha
20:53:00 <schendje> i like smooge's, mike's and nushio's the best :)
20:53:27 <tatica> I have more funny faces, but wanted to release the "serious" ones first
21:38:44 <mizmo> tatica! who is the hooded jedi?
21:39:00 <mizmo> wow those look great
21:39:55 <zodbot> Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #163 (logo design request closed): Design for FUDCon 2011 Tempe T-shirts <https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/163#comment:6>
21:40:34 <tatica> mmcgrath
21:40:36 <tatica> lol
21:40:50 <tatica> mizmo, my favorite hacker :D
21:43:37 <mizmo> lol
21:43:55 <mizmo> mmcgrath++ now i can talk to you in IRC more!!!
21:47:29 <tatica> yeah!!!!!!
21:47:43 <tatica> mizmo, I will use part of the money I had save for the car to buy a new laptop
21:48:09 <tatica> I can't do anything at nights... even if I don't have internet I can take several tickets and update them at morning
21:48:16 <tatica> but with my popcorn machine is imposible
09:58:35 <wonderer> nicubunu: morning
09:58:47 <nicubunu> hi wonderer and http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/
09:59:20 <wonderer> nicubunu: yeah, I saw your blogposts ;-)
09:59:50 <wonderer> nicubunu: I was hopping to see more Text beneath the pictures :-D
10:00:41 <wonderer> nicubunu: what Flash-Configuration did you use at the event?
10:06:32 <nicubunu> i had a Nissin 466 put on TTL
10:06:41 <nicubunu> unfortunately no time for more text
10:12:44 <wonderer> :-)
10:12:54 <wonderer> nicubunu: more text - less beer :-D
10:13:11 <nicubunu> boo! more beer, less everything else
10:13:17 <wonderer> nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8769.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S from wher did I know her. Do not remember :-(
10:14:40 <nicubunu> she was also at the last year FOSDEM, if the GF of the guy on the right, both Greeks
10:14:59 <wonderer> nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8854.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S the thing with the poster is VERY suboptimal. I know it from last events and hopefully there willbe some new ones soon...
10:15:10 <wonderer> ah, ok.
10:15:46 <wonderer> nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8861.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S THAT is a good shot we can use for PR.
10:16:27 <nicubunu> as i said on the list, i can provide hi-res versions from everything
10:16:58 <wonderer> nicubunu: please mark that for press-picture archive ;-)
10:19:26 <wonderer> nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8992.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S that also
10:22:16 <wonderer> http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_9095.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S Dan and Jared in Talk ... hope I meat those guys at CeBIT ...
10:22:56 <wonderer> http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_9252.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S also archive!
10:24:04 <wonderer> nicubunu: but gerold looks pretty ugly with that mustache ... maybe we can retouch him a bit hehehe.
10:24:25 <nicubunu> gimping him >:)
12:20:30 <nicubunu> wonderer: the other photos http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/travel/brussels-jan-2011/
13:21:34 <wonderer> nicubunu: thx. Cool Photowalk!
13:21:48 <nicubunu> too bad i was all alone
16:20:37 <tatica> mizmo, ping
16:20:50 <mizmo> tatica, pong
16:21:14 <tatica> mizmo, do we have any reply from gnome guys related to the mockups?
16:21:27 <mizmo> tatica, no i haven't talked to them
16:21:30 <mizmo> the entire situation is making me sick
16:21:36 <mizmo> it's in the alpha now
16:21:40 <mizmo> and i haven't heard any complaints from them
16:21:43 <mizmo> but maybe they haven't seen it yet
16:21:46 <tatica> yes, I check the package
16:21:59 <tatica> mizmo, is there a way to make us sure that they see it?
16:22:06 <tatica> jsmith, buenos días
16:22:34 <mizmo> tatica, talking to them is the best idea but i am sadly in no state to do that
16:22:37 <mizmo> :(
16:22:44 <mizmo> i am thinking about resigning as the design team leader
16:22:47 <tatica> want me to do it
16:22:50 <tatica> mizmo, o_O
16:23:03 <mizmo> they are in #fedora-desktop on gimpnet if you want to talk to them
16:23:54 <jsmith> tatica: Buenos días
16:24:03 <jsmith> mizmo: Would you like me to talk to them?
16:24:30 <mizmo> jsmith, that would be really helpful if youre willing to do it
16:24:32 <mizmo> im terrified
16:24:50 <jsmith> mizmo: I'm willing!
16:25:05 <tatica> mizmo, those guys at the channel?
16:25:11 <mizmo> yeh
16:25:51 <tatica> jsmith, let's decide who will talk... paper, scissors or rock (don't know how is in english :D )
16:26:13 <jsmith> tatica: You got it -- rock, paper, scissors :-)
16:26:18 <tatica> lol
16:30:00 * jsmith goes for "rock" on his first try
16:33:29 <tatica> lol
16:41:47 <gnokii> mizmo who posts on facebook as gnome?
16:42:24 <mizmo> gnokii, im not sure
16:42:48 <mizmo> maybe there is some discussion of it on the gnome marketing lsit?
16:43:17 <gnokii> she/he said I should send a drawing of me to the gnome marketing list
16:44:50 <tatica> pls, can someone link me to the maillist?
16:45:40 <rbergeron> tatica: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
16:46:11 <tatica> rbergeron, question: do you have a bot or something helping you with links? omg.... is amazing
16:46:35 <gnokii> tatica: brainbot :D
16:46:52 <tatica> lol
16:47:24 <rbergeron> tatica: his name is google ;)
16:47:57 <rbergeron> "gnome marketing list" == first listing :)
16:48:01 <tatica> my 7desktops are my enemies .\
16:48:02 <tatica> :\
16:52:22 <tatica> bbl
17:03:59 <zodbot> Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #176 (task created): Rebrand the Lovelock wallpaper to Horos for Plasma Desktop <https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/176>
17:47:19 <schendje> this ticket is fun: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/171
17:48:12 <schendje> quick and dirty: http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/coin/coin.png
17:49:27 <schendje> quite easy when you've got this as a base, lol http://www.openclipart.org/detail/10397
17:49:40 <rbergeron> i think first instead of firs might work :) Though I do like trees. :)
17:50:02 <schendje> rbergeron: i thought it was freedom, friends, features, firs?
17:50:06 <schendje> "first" makes no sense at all tbh
17:50:16 * schendje changes typo :(
17:50:25 <rbergeron> how would firs make sense?
17:50:32 <schendje> who doesn't love firs
17:50:49 <rbergeron> what if someone's allergic to firs? :)
17:50:51 <rbergeron> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations
17:50:59 * schendje goes to edit wiki >=)
17:51:02 <rbergeron> lol
17:51:19 <rbergeron> change that trophy to a nice evergreen too
17:51:20 <schendje> i've got hayfever too, people should just suck it up :P
17:51:20 <rbergeron> ;)
17:51:24 <schendje> haha
17:51:46 <schendje> oh i am so gonna do this
17:51:57 <schendje> i should be eating dinner, what have you done rbergeron! :(
17:52:57 * wonderer is thinking of the grlscouts and looking over to robyn ;-)
17:53:19 <rbergeron> i can redirect you to my dream of having cloud.fp.o someday ;)
17:53:58 * rbergeron throws wonderer a box of cookies
17:54:29 * wonderer thinks we definitly should have Fedora Cookies...
18:02:17 <schendje> http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/coin/firs.png
18:02:33 <schendje> just sayin', it *could* work
18:02:43 <rbergeron> lulz
18:58:10 <jsmith> mizmo: For what it's worth, I just asked owen/jrb/mclasen if combining the stripes and birds was acceptable
18:58:18 <jsmith> mizmo: (as a compromise)
18:58:27 <jsmith> mizmo: owen made it pretty clear that they don't like it
18:58:42 <rbergeron> 11:58 < jsmith> mizmo: For what it's worth, I just asked owen/jrb/mclasen if combining the stripes and birds was acceptable
18:58:46 <rbergeron> 11:58 < jsmith> mizmo: (as a compromise)
18:58:48 <rbergeron> 11:58 < jsmith> mizmo: owen made it pretty clear that they don't like it
18:58:51 <rbergeron> ugh, mouse
18:58:57 <ianweller> jsmith: :/
18:59:00 <rbergeron> jsmith: where does that leave us? :(
18:59:11 <mizmo> i give up
18:59:12 <mizmo> im done
18:59:17 <jsmith> rbergeron: It leaves us making a decision to only go with stripes or only go with birds.
18:59:17 <tatica> mizmo, calm down
18:59:18 <mizmo> they dont like it conceptually
18:59:21 <mizmo> or they dont like the rendering
18:59:25 <mizmo> the rendering obviously needs work
18:59:35 <jsmith> mizmo: Essentially, both.  I explained that the rendering is an alpha
18:59:40 <tatica> we can still do a couple of mockups
18:59:44 * tatica has a mail from gnome, brb
18:59:54 <jsmith> mizmo: owen basically said it's too confusing to combine the stripes and something else
19:00:00 <mizmo> if it's all or nothing, then it's nothing
19:00:03 <mizmo> im putting my foot down
19:00:21 <jsmith> "owen: jsmith: well, that doesn't really change anything about what I said - it's either a stripes background, or a birds background. A stripes and birds background is presenting a complicated and confusing message on something that is supposed to, well, fade into the background"
19:00:28 <tatica> same reply
19:01:07 <jsmith> "<owen> jsmith: "acceptable" is something that comes in all shades. I think I'll stick for now to saying that it wasn't what I was asking and we'll be unhappy about it."
19:01:17 <mizmo> i would note that having a stripes background in the middle of a bird themed OS is a complicated anad confusing message
19:01:43 <jsmith> It is, to a certain degree
19:01:52 <mizmo> "hmm who lost the argument?" it what it says to me
19:02:01 <jsmith> That being said, it's the only kind of compromise that I can come up right now
19:02:13 <jsmith> So if that's unacceptable, it means we either:
19:02:19 <jsmith> 1) Choose to go with stripes
19:02:32 <jsmith> (for Gnome, and birds for others)
19:02:38 <jsmith> 2) Choose to go with birds for all
19:02:48 <jsmith> 3) Try to come up with some other ideas for compromise
19:03:07 <tatica> jsmith, mizmo is thu, we can work on a couple of more ideas 'till friday (I think)
19:03:18 <tatica> and after that, we can go with the plan B
19:04:23 <mizmo> i would like to see a modicum of effort to try to work together rather than just shoot everything down
19:04:33 <mizmo> since i havent seen that
19:04:41 <tatica> mizmo, people is people; and that's the plan B
19:04:49 <mizmo> i dont have much confidence putting more sweat into it on our side has any hope of being fruitful
19:05:06 <tatica> obviously if they want people to help them spread gnome, they need to understand and accept people that will help them
19:05:40 <tatica> mizmo, we won't lose anything trying a couple of mockups for 2 days... at the end. F12 artwork was an old mockups too ;-)
19:05:46 <mizmo> im out tomorrow
19:05:54 <mizmo> im doing a campus career fair, ill be offline all day
19:06:02 <mizmo> i have other projects im working on
19:06:10 <mizmo> so i cant be ofmuch help up till fri
19:06:15 <mizmo> :(
19:06:27 <mizmo> but if you want to gather a crew to keep hashing on it that might be a good idea
19:06:28 * tatica can give it a try
19:06:33 <tatica> yup
19:06:34 <mizmo> tatica++ :)
19:06:58 <tatica> mizmo, let me finish some work task here at office and I will send a post+mail+SN to ask for help this week
19:07:14 <tatica> so that way gnome guys will also know that we are doing our best to find a solution for -both-
19:07:30 <jsmith> <owen> jsmith: I think my initial proposal was a compromise - we do it for one release, we change only the GNOME default background
19:07:33 * jsmith blinks
19:07:50 <jsmith> <owen> jsmith: from there, I'm not sure how you compromise further while retaining the point of the exercise
19:08:13 <mizmo> was it a request or not?
19:08:17 <mizmo> that certainly doesnt sound like a request
19:08:49 <tatica> jsmith, where is that?
19:08:51 <rbergeron> that doesn't even sound like room for compromise
19:09:11 <jsmith> tatica: #fedora-desktop on irc.gimp.net
19:09:37 <jsmith> <owen> jsmith: chosing a background via rand() when you log in or whatever is compromise for the sake of compromise, rather than about providing a good operating system experience
19:09:53 <tatica> hmm, I think that my hacker Mike won't help me get through there
19:10:12 <mizmo> it should port-forward all irc traffic i think
19:10:16 <mizmo> gimpnet is slow though
19:10:20 <mizmo> it takes a long time to connect, im not sure wh
19:10:26 <mizmo> maybe its timing out during the forwarding
19:10:55 <tatica> let me see
19:11:20 <mizmo> the experience is more than a fucking wallpaper!
19:12:26 <jsmith> mizmo: Watch the language, please :-)
19:12:50 * tatica put a chocolate at mizmo mouth
19:12:53 <mizmo> oh sorry, was i providing a bad experience with my language
19:13:04 <mizmo> let me turn the knob into mickey mouse mode
19:13:10 <tatica> lol
19:13:13 <rbergeron> lolz
19:13:13 <tatica> panda... panda...
19:13:15 <mizmo> golly gee whiz gosh durn it!
19:14:05 <jreznik_n900> I agree with mizmo, it is not about wp, but experience... I take upstream as reference implementation, it would be great to start our own UX based on gnome shell or plasma platform like canonical is doing
19:14:09 <tatica> now I don't understand a single word :\
19:14:22 <jsmith> tatica: The conversation re: the wallpaper is over now :-(
19:14:33 <tatica> jreznik_n900, I was scared to say something like that... but I kind of agree with you
19:14:43 <tatica> at the end, Debian also did something like that with firefox
19:14:47 <mizmo> if the entire experience hinges upon a single wallpaper then it's build with popsicle sticks and belly button lint
19:14:53 <mizmo> and is too fragile
19:17:36 <jreznik_n900> tatica, yes, technology is there, now we shloud add fedora user experience with proper fedora infra and community integration, that is my dream, hh...
19:18:11 <tatica> jreznik_n900, fedora was a dream and here we are, right?
19:18:21 <tatica> but for that we need a lot of stuff
19:18:26 <tatica> people, infra, etc
19:21:41 <jreznik_n900> I know...
19:23:22 <tatica> even so...
19:23:28 <tatica> I don't see it like an impossible thing
19:24:02 <jsmith> No, not impossible... just hard.
19:24:12 <jsmith> Then again, we've done hard things before, and will continue to do hard things in the future
19:24:51 * tatica wants a panda desktop environment
19:25:04 <finalzone> hello all. has the meeting begun?
19:26:19 <gnokii> tatica: pandora :D
19:26:31 <tatica> lol
19:26:43 <tatica> finalzone, noup
19:35:57 <mizmo> im not up for a meeting today
19:36:58 <schendje> mizmo: you don't want to or you don't think it's necessary?
19:37:08 <mizmo> i dont want to
19:37:17 <mizmo> you folks can go without me though
19:37:19 <schendje> ok
19:37:29 <schendje> normally i'd be glad to do it but I can't right now :/
20:06:06 <mizmo> schendje, i totally just embedded notitie into a mediawiki
20:06:17 <schendje> mizmo: !
20:06:19 <mizmo> i dont know if fedora infra would let us do it on the fedora wiki thoguh
20:06:20 <schendje> show me :)
20:06:27 <mizmo> schendje, its a box i have in my office :( firewalled
20:06:41 <schendje> oh :)
20:06:44 <mizmo> i couldn't do it on fedoraproject.org/wiki cuz i dont have permissions to install the extension we need :(
20:06:59 <schendje> not sure i can trust you on your word though :/ ;)
20:07:04 <mizmo> this is wht i did http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/Iframe
20:07:09 <schendje> still, that sounds cool!
20:07:11 <mizmo> they have an example there with google slides or something
20:07:20 <mizmo> maybei can set up a mediawiki on my dreamhost machine
20:09:05 <mizmo> man if we could have something like this on our wiki, omg
20:09:27 <schendje> :D
20:09:31 <schendje> i know, right?
20:17:14 <Emichan> i've been having some connection issues :P are we having a meeting today or no?
20:18:04 <jsmith> Emichan: Sounds like the answer is "no", from what I've seen
20:18:23 <jsmith> Emichan: mizmo said she wasn't up for leading it, and Jef said he couldn't lead it either
20:20:51 <Emichan> aww - i was looking forward to it :( saaad panda
20:21:20 <jsmith> You're free to lead the meeting yourself :-)
20:23:13 <Emichan> well, i'd be willing - it'd just be open floor tho cuz I don't have an agenda...
20:24:07 <schendje> Emichan: i'd say go for it :)
20:24:14 <Emichan> okay
20:24:17 <zodbot> Emichan: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
20:24:22 <Emichan> wha?
20:24:31 <schendje> (sorry if i don't respond that quickly, though - i'm really busy)
20:24:32 <Emichan> are we already in a meeting?
20:24:48 <mizmo> bwahaha we ever stopped it from tempe
20:24:50 <mizmo> #endmeeting