17:46:30 #startmeeting 17:46:30 Meeting started Mon Jan 31 17:46:30 2011 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:46:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:46:32 hehe 17:46:36 now we'll have a log 17:47:28 so, just for the record 17:47:38 some of us are at fudcon tempe right now having a hackfest 17:47:51 working on the wallpaper a bit, brainstorming and creating mockups 17:51:45 i'm going to post screenshots of WIP to the dveelopment wiki page 17:51:49 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork/Development 17:53:10 https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/1/12/Mockingbird-stripes-1-mo.png/1024px-Mockingbird-stripes-1-mo.png 17:55:52 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Mockingbird-stripes-2-jef.png 17:56:16 i'm uploading our assets here http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%20Themes/F15/Alpha%20Development/ 17:56:44 i love this cover: http://www.purplebearbooks.com/images/nightingalelarge.jpg 17:56:51 schendjeeeeeee: sweet do you have an xcf? 17:56:54 i want to try to mix ours hehe 17:57:07 oh, right 17:57:09 oh wow i really like that one too 17:58:56 mizmo: schendjeeeeeee (nice nick) --- any idea on hopefully changing the current fudcon image in fp.o with a Tempe one? 17:59:35 sijis: oh right we should totally do that 17:59:44 i'll ask around for the group photo 17:59:55 sijis: how was the trip btw? 18:01:02 schendjeeeeeee: it was ok. sad to go home and miss out on hackfest 18:01:25 yeah :( 18:01:33 anyway, there were plans for a panorama i think 18:01:37 but not sure if that's still going to happen 18:01:55 but i can take care of it and put it on the website once i've got it :) 18:02:27 tsk tsk Emichan, you're late! >=( 18:02:44 i was in fedora-fudcon :P 18:03:20 yeah, cool. 18:03:50 Emichan: i will not tolerate these excuses :P 18:04:04 what are you going to do about it? 18:05:10 mizmo: i put the source on the wiki page 18:05:15 yay 18:08:55 O/ 18:10:08 tatica: hey :) - i didn't get a chance to say 'adios' 18:10:20 ohhhh did you already leave? 18:10:23 nooooooooo.... 18:10:24 :( 18:15:00 https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/d/d0/Mockingbird-stripes-3-mo-jef.png/1024px-Mockingbird-stripes-3-mo-jef.png 18:17:36 mizmo: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/105/b/3/japanese_lotus_tree_by_panjer.jpg 18:17:37 tatica: yeah, i left yesterday afternoon 18:17:58 sijis: :( 18:18:03 sijis: that's a shame 18:18:27 I just came in--what's the lotus tree? It's beautiful. 18:18:55 hi suehle, some of the mockups are here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork/Development 18:19:19 the leafy things are from openclipart though, i didn't make those myself :) 18:19:32 brb 18:19:36 x-ray bird! http://imgur.com/eOaCz 18:23:51 hehe 18:23:59 i like that better than big birds 18:26:58 back 18:27:49 fun fact: "big bird" from sesame street is called "pino" in dutch 18:27:55 and he/she's blue :S 18:28:01 what's that about 18:28:20 blue? seriously 18:29:48 pretty random huh 18:30:05 http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/10/3/7/0/47694422502970477.jpg 18:30:30 (i'm so glad we've got the design channel, otherwise you would all miss out on valuable info like this) 18:30:47 who knows when you're gonna get a question about big bird in a job interview! 21:56:21 schendjeeeeeeeee: ping 21:58:17 hey wonderer 22:00:17 schendjeeeeeeeee: qry plz ;-) 22:00:23 schendjeeeeeeeee: how did you acquire so many vowels 22:01:29 ianweller: years of training and patience 22:12:22 csenger: ping 22:12:33 schendjeeeeeeeee: pong 22:12:51 hi csenger... we just saw your commits to the image annotation app 22:13:09 just wondering what you're working on :) 22:14:12 schendjeeeeeeeee: I accidentally saw that you use it and want to extend it. 22:14:28 csenger: excellent :) 22:14:41 schendjeeeeeeeee: I was working on a prototype for an idea mizmo had a while ago (designhub) 22:14:52 oh, that was you 22:14:55 what's the company called again... 22:15:01 isotope something? 22:15:07 no, that was isotope 11 22:15:19 ah right 22:15:34 but the project stalled and I hat time and it was fun. 22:15:53 yeah so this is sort of a very very basic version of the design hub, taking one of the ideas and getting it to work 22:16:12 csenger: oh you're very welcome, talk to me or Emichan anytime :) 22:16:37 I need some more flexibility for the plugin (other forms and display templates, more callbacks, threaded commenting) and thought I write the unittests in your repo 22:17:09 was just convenient 22:17:14 :) 22:17:16 cool 22:17:54 maybe it's useful for you when you want to add extensions to the plugin. 22:19:57 uhuh yep i'll keep an eye on it, thanks 22:22:11 And I am lurking around for a while. Fedora has a real nice community. 12:22:19 ianweller: is there a place I can add something for tonight's meeting? 12:22:49 It'll be 1am here, so I might not make it, but I'd like to put forward the design-suite comps patch for the team to review 12:22:54 (before I submit it) 12:23:13 I will, of course, send it to the list also 19:03:15 Is there a meeting today? 13:34:24 :D 13:40:49 huhu tatica 13:42:35 gnokii, ;:***************** 13:43:21 how was ur fudcon trip? 13:43:37 amazing! I have so much stories and stuffs to do 13:44:52 yeah publishing al photos u took :D 13:46:44 ujum 01:03:15 Woah, just saw the birds wallpaper on planet 01:03:17 It looks awesome 01:03:19 It reminds me of http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/08/24/birdsong-a-requiem-for-drm/ 12:04:23 morning 12:07:05 dito 12:10:24 lol 13:44:20 anyone here coming to fosdem and has an A3 printer and wants to create a poster quickly (doesn't have to extra special fancy) 15:10:59 hi mizmo 15:11:16 how's the weather up there? heard you got home safely at least 15:12:19 too damn cold lol 15:12:45 hehe 15:12:50 i'll believe that 15:13:37 mizmo: I thought it was funny that when my flight left at 1:00am Tuesday, they were still paging you in the airport 15:13:40 mizmo: I went over to the counter and told them "Hey, I think she's already in Boston", but they didn't believe me at first 15:14:06 mizmo: Then finally they read the notes on the ticket and said "Oh yeah -- we messed up. Thanks for saving us more headaches." 15:14:14 schendje, mizmo, :*** 15:14:20 jsmith, :* 15:14:28 tatica: a :* to you too ;) 15:14:41 Hello tatica! 15:14:45 Hello all! 15:15:12 hey there jsmith 15:15:30 * jsmith made it to Brussels in one piece, but his brain is still in Arizona 15:15:46 jsmith: FOSDEM starts this Saturday, correct? 15:16:03 wow 15:16:24 schendje: Yes, that's correct 15:16:38 jsmith: great, maybe i'll run into you there 15:16:40 schendje: You coming? 15:16:43 Awesome 15:16:57 planning too go at least on Saturday 15:18:59 mizmo, can you help me do some noise with this http://www.flickr.com/groups/fudcontempe2011/ ? 15:20:11 tatica: the first picture is excellent ;) 15:20:49 that's not good 15:20:52 see the last ones 15:21:05 jsmith, I still need to package the photos you take and send them to you 15:21:11 s/take/took 15:21:12 jsmith, im pretty mad at delta. they won't issue a refund even tho the lady at the ticket counter assured me i wasn't getting home if i didnt switch my flight 15:21:19 jsmith, they kind of goofed up all up and down 15:21:27 tatica, sure 15:21:34 tatica, i need to add mine to it lol 15:22:11 yeah! 15:22:15 add them all, there is no limit to post 15:22:44 mizmo: Yeah, I'd be upset at them too... 15:22:47 tatica: Thanks! 15:25:09 :) 15:40:22 so does anyone know if there was a group photo taken in Tempe? :( 15:40:34 because i haven't seen it nor heard of anybody doing so :( 15:40:38 schendje, afaik, no 15:40:46 I did it bad... waiting to the last day 15:40:53 I should had done it at the first one :\ 15:41:57 ok, i'm just asking cause otherwise we could change the group photo on www.fpo 15:42:20 tatica: awesome photos in that pool though! i love this one haha: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5410431035/in/pool-1619500@N21/ 15:42:44 lol, that's jsmith work 15:42:44 max going all out and you standing there laughing :D 15:42:48 I should add who take some 15:42:50 let me do it 15:42:56 schendje, did you check yours? 15:43:28 tatica: you mean photos taken by me or *of* me? 15:43:36 of you 15:43:56 I only have see mizmo , colby and markdude photos :\ 15:44:53 schendje, there was a dseign team group photo :) 15:45:14 mizmo: hehe that's true 15:46:11 I have the link, wait 15:46:30 http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon# 15:46:52 http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568818433197579778 15:46:56 http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568818431254420994 15:50:24 * jsmith reboots to help out with the Fedora Test Day 15:51:10 yay 21:08:32 mizmo, ping 21:15:29 is there a (wiki) page with all the themes for the last Fedora releases? 21:16:04 yup 21:16:31 ciupicri: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers -- is that what you are looking for? 21:16:58 ianweller, yeah, it's good enough to have an idea; thanks! 21:29:47 this is a bit off-topic, but is the earth&moon animated background working on Fedora 14? I have installed earth-and-moon-backgrounds-common-0.2-1.fc12.noarch.rpm and earth-and-moon-backgrounds-single-0.2-1.fc12.noarch.rpm, but I'm getting a white background. 12:28:09 morning 20:19:38 mizmo: wooo Fedora Notitie is almost done http://jefvanschendel.nl/ImageAnnotation/index.php?i=testimage4 20:19:41 :) 20:20:19 (we renamed it, too) 20:20:39 i'll do a blog post once Emichan has the latest version on her site 20:24:10 schendje: nottie is the fucking most awesome thing ever. 20:24:11 fyi 20:24:15 it makes me so happy. 20:24:27 ianweller: i love nothing more than making you happy ;) 20:24:50 nah that's great to hear, thanks :) 20:25:05 :D 20:31:33 btw we've set up a launchpad page for bugs: https://launchpad.net/notitie 20:31:51 if anyone finds something that bothers them or should be added 20:53:55 schendje: only that I can not do anything with the notes after set them .... also I miss a list of the notes .. 20:54:30 schendje: baut ist a GREAT idea. Cool. 20:54:33 wonderer: you can still move / edit / delete them after they're created, right? 20:54:49 wonderer: and yeah a list would probably be good... we were thinking of an "export" option 20:55:03 schendje: no. no moving or so... 20:55:03 so we can also copy/paste in mailing lists and such 20:55:07 oh 20:55:09 that's not good 20:55:13 because that should work :) 20:55:39 wonderer: if you click on an existing note, the edit window should appear 20:55:43 but with you it does nothing? 20:56:14 yeah, that copy & paste would be cool. Because I'm thinking of having lets say 10 or 20 annotations that are all overlapping and I want ONE specific one with a URL in it but can not pinpoint it ... 20:56:51 or if I could personalize my "Account" and find replies to my annotations ... would also be cool, but maybe in version 2.0 or so :-) 20:57:06 no problem with thinking ahead ;) 20:57:23 schendje: Ah, the "klick" thing i missed. But I can edit ALL Annotations, right? 20:57:31 wonderer: yes 20:57:36 wonderer: or at least, you should 20:58:00 wonderer: we'll just have to trust that others don't mess with them :) 20:58:18 schendje: so it would be not so cool to use it for productive purpose ;-) 20:58:28 lol 20:58:38 schendje: could it maybe combined with the FAS ? 20:58:55 wonderer: I don't know, but for now i'm not really worried yet 20:59:04 that will bring a whole new set of problems probably 20:59:19 probably, yes :-) 21:00:14 schendje: I just added two notes with the content "URL1" and "URL2" ... but for now you only will see the "URL1" note ... have fun ;-) 21:00:54 Ok, that was a bad one to klick two times on the "add note" and not to move the original one harharhar ;-) 21:02:06 wonderer: hey, stop breaking the system ;) 21:03:42 schendje: I'm a Pen tester ... thats my daily job, sorry :-D 21:17:32 ups, did I say something wrong ... 21:18:13 :-) 03:05:03 O/ 11:58:24 morning 12:01:42 morning tatica 12:01:55 gnokii, Mr. Hamburguer 12:02:03 :D 12:02:12 * gnokii hides tatica is hungry 12:02:21 lol 12:02:24 in fact... I am 12:02:27 but I cannot eat 12:02:29 :( 12:04:18 ok.. I need help 12:04:33 anyone in the design team knows about svg animation? I need help with a project :\ 12:32:40 use synfig 12:32:59 or u mean svg animation with smil? 12:38:24 I guess I can use synfig 13:05:17 big learning curve 13:05:48 tatica flisol pages had last year a half transparent menu did u that with css or javascript? 13:08:12 hmmm, don't remember 13:08:15 must be css 13:10:20 do u have the code from last year? 13:12:32 probably, but at home 13:12:40 would you remind me that this weekend? 13:26:22 yeah, I do its not so important have a little fight with a collegue, she says isnt possible with css 13:30:34 but if you need help I can do (I mean, if you have already a css and want to fix it) 13:43:32 no right now I do only a mockup, coding can do others ;) 13:45:56 lol 13:45:57 hahaha 15:55:23 Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #175 (task created): error on FOSDEM media sleeves 20:48:14 http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Fedora_Artwork/hackergotchis/ 20:51:56 tatica: ooo are those from fudcon, tatica? 20:52:14 yes!! 20:52:22 I still have to do something funny with the rest of the faces 20:52:44 haha 20:53:00 i like smooge's, mike's and nushio's the best :) 20:53:27 I have more funny faces, but wanted to release the "serious" ones first 21:38:44 tatica! who is the hooded jedi? 21:39:00 wow those look great 21:39:55 Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #163 (logo design request closed): Design for FUDCon 2011 Tempe T-shirts 21:40:34 mmcgrath 21:40:36 lol 21:40:50 mizmo, my favorite hacker :D 21:43:37 lol 21:43:55 mmcgrath++ now i can talk to you in IRC more!!! 21:47:29 yeah!!!!!! 21:47:43 mizmo, I will use part of the money I had save for the car to buy a new laptop 21:48:09 I can't do anything at nights... even if I don't have internet I can take several tickets and update them at morning 21:48:16 but with my popcorn machine is imposible 09:58:35 nicubunu: morning 09:58:47 hi wonderer and http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/ 09:59:20 nicubunu: yeah, I saw your blogposts ;-) 09:59:50 nicubunu: I was hopping to see more Text beneath the pictures :-D 10:00:41 nicubunu: what Flash-Configuration did you use at the event? 10:06:32 i had a Nissin 466 put on TTL 10:06:41 unfortunately no time for more text 10:12:44 :-) 10:12:54 nicubunu: more text - less beer :-D 10:13:11 boo! more beer, less everything else 10:13:17 nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8769.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S from wher did I know her. Do not remember :-( 10:14:40 she was also at the last year FOSDEM, if the GF of the guy on the right, both Greeks 10:14:59 nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8854.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S the thing with the poster is VERY suboptimal. I know it from last events and hopefully there willbe some new ones soon... 10:15:10 ah, ok. 10:15:46 nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8861.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S THAT is a good shot we can use for PR. 10:16:27 as i said on the list, i can provide hi-res versions from everything 10:16:58 nicubunu: please mark that for press-picture archive ;-) 10:19:26 nicubunu: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_8992.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S that also 10:22:16 http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_9095.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S Dan and Jared in Talk ... hope I meat those guys at CeBIT ... 10:22:56 http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/photos/fosdem2011/?Qwd=.&Qif=img_9252.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=S also archive! 10:24:04 nicubunu: but gerold looks pretty ugly with that mustache ... maybe we can retouch him a bit hehehe. 10:24:25 gimping him >:) 12:20:30 wonderer: the other photos http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/travel/brussels-jan-2011/ 13:21:34 nicubunu: thx. Cool Photowalk! 13:21:48 too bad i was all alone 16:20:37 mizmo, ping 16:20:50 tatica, pong 16:21:14 mizmo, do we have any reply from gnome guys related to the mockups? 16:21:27 tatica, no i haven't talked to them 16:21:30 the entire situation is making me sick 16:21:36 it's in the alpha now 16:21:40 and i haven't heard any complaints from them 16:21:43 but maybe they haven't seen it yet 16:21:46 yes, I check the package 16:21:59 mizmo, is there a way to make us sure that they see it? 16:22:06 jsmith, buenos días 16:22:34 tatica, talking to them is the best idea but i am sadly in no state to do that 16:22:37 :( 16:22:44 i am thinking about resigning as the design team leader 16:22:47 want me to do it 16:22:50 mizmo, o_O 16:23:03 they are in #fedora-desktop on gimpnet if you want to talk to them 16:23:54 tatica: Buenos días 16:24:03 mizmo: Would you like me to talk to them? 16:24:30 jsmith, that would be really helpful if youre willing to do it 16:24:32 im terrified 16:24:50 mizmo: I'm willing! 16:25:05 mizmo, those guys at the channel? 16:25:11 yeh 16:25:51 jsmith, let's decide who will talk... paper, scissors or rock (don't know how is in english :D ) 16:26:13 tatica: You got it -- rock, paper, scissors :-) 16:26:18 lol 16:30:00 * jsmith goes for "rock" on his first try 16:33:29 lol 16:41:47 mizmo who posts on facebook as gnome? 16:42:24 gnokii, im not sure 16:42:48 maybe there is some discussion of it on the gnome marketing lsit? 16:43:17 she/he said I should send a drawing of me to the gnome marketing list 16:44:50 pls, can someone link me to the maillist? 16:45:40 tatica: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list 16:46:11 rbergeron, question: do you have a bot or something helping you with links? omg.... is amazing 16:46:35 tatica: brainbot :D 16:46:52 lol 16:47:24 tatica: his name is google ;) 16:47:57 "gnome marketing list" == first listing :) 16:48:01 my 7desktops are my enemies .\ 16:48:02 :\ 16:52:22 bbl 17:03:59 Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #176 (task created): Rebrand the Lovelock wallpaper to Horos for Plasma Desktop 17:47:19 this ticket is fun: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/171 17:48:12 quick and dirty: http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/coin/coin.png 17:49:27 quite easy when you've got this as a base, lol http://www.openclipart.org/detail/10397 17:49:40 i think first instead of firs might work :) Though I do like trees. :) 17:50:02 rbergeron: i thought it was freedom, friends, features, firs? 17:50:06 "first" makes no sense at all tbh 17:50:16 * schendje changes typo :( 17:50:25 how would firs make sense? 17:50:32 who doesn't love firs 17:50:49 what if someone's allergic to firs? :) 17:50:51 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations 17:50:59 * schendje goes to edit wiki >=) 17:51:02 lol 17:51:19 change that trophy to a nice evergreen too 17:51:20 i've got hayfever too, people should just suck it up :P 17:51:20 ;) 17:51:24 haha 17:51:46 oh i am so gonna do this 17:51:57 i should be eating dinner, what have you done rbergeron! :( 17:52:57 * wonderer is thinking of the grlscouts and looking over to robyn ;-) 17:53:19 i can redirect you to my dream of having cloud.fp.o someday ;) 17:53:58 * rbergeron throws wonderer a box of cookies 17:54:29 * wonderer thinks we definitly should have Fedora Cookies... 18:02:17 http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/coin/firs.png 18:02:33 just sayin', it *could* work 18:02:43 lulz 18:58:10 mizmo: For what it's worth, I just asked owen/jrb/mclasen if combining the stripes and birds was acceptable 18:58:18 mizmo: (as a compromise) 18:58:27 mizmo: owen made it pretty clear that they don't like it 18:58:42 11:58 < jsmith> mizmo: For what it's worth, I just asked owen/jrb/mclasen if combining the stripes and birds was acceptable 18:58:46 11:58 < jsmith> mizmo: (as a compromise) 18:58:48 11:58 < jsmith> mizmo: owen made it pretty clear that they don't like it 18:58:51 ugh, mouse 18:58:57 jsmith: :/ 18:59:00 jsmith: where does that leave us? :( 18:59:11 i give up 18:59:12 im done 18:59:17 rbergeron: It leaves us making a decision to only go with stripes or only go with birds. 18:59:17 mizmo, calm down 18:59:18 they dont like it conceptually 18:59:21 or they dont like the rendering 18:59:25 the rendering obviously needs work 18:59:35 mizmo: Essentially, both. I explained that the rendering is an alpha 18:59:40 we can still do a couple of mockups 18:59:44 * tatica has a mail from gnome, brb 18:59:54 mizmo: owen basically said it's too confusing to combine the stripes and something else 19:00:00 if it's all or nothing, then it's nothing 19:00:03 im putting my foot down 19:00:21 "owen: jsmith: well, that doesn't really change anything about what I said - it's either a stripes background, or a birds background. A stripes and birds background is presenting a complicated and confusing message on something that is supposed to, well, fade into the background" 19:00:28 same reply 19:01:07 " jsmith: "acceptable" is something that comes in all shades. I think I'll stick for now to saying that it wasn't what I was asking and we'll be unhappy about it." 19:01:17 i would note that having a stripes background in the middle of a bird themed OS is a complicated anad confusing message 19:01:43 It is, to a certain degree 19:01:52 "hmm who lost the argument?" it what it says to me 19:02:01 That being said, it's the only kind of compromise that I can come up right now 19:02:13 So if that's unacceptable, it means we either: 19:02:19 1) Choose to go with stripes 19:02:32 (for Gnome, and birds for others) 19:02:38 2) Choose to go with birds for all 19:02:48 3) Try to come up with some other ideas for compromise 19:03:07 jsmith, mizmo is thu, we can work on a couple of more ideas 'till friday (I think) 19:03:18 and after that, we can go with the plan B 19:04:23 i would like to see a modicum of effort to try to work together rather than just shoot everything down 19:04:33 since i havent seen that 19:04:41 mizmo, people is people; and that's the plan B 19:04:49 i dont have much confidence putting more sweat into it on our side has any hope of being fruitful 19:05:06 obviously if they want people to help them spread gnome, they need to understand and accept people that will help them 19:05:40 mizmo, we won't lose anything trying a couple of mockups for 2 days... at the end. F12 artwork was an old mockups too ;-) 19:05:46 im out tomorrow 19:05:54 im doing a campus career fair, ill be offline all day 19:06:02 i have other projects im working on 19:06:10 so i cant be ofmuch help up till fri 19:06:15 :( 19:06:27 but if you want to gather a crew to keep hashing on it that might be a good idea 19:06:28 * tatica can give it a try 19:06:33 yup 19:06:34