20:01:36 #startmeeting 20:01:36 Meeting started Tue Feb 22 20:01:36 2011 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:43 * mizmo was just working on badge stickers for conferences 20:01:43 lol! 20:01:45 one sec and ill show u 20:01:49 awesome 20:02:01 * tatica was eating dark chocolate :$ 20:02:49 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/badge-stickers/sxsw-badge-stickers_draft1.png 20:03:11 awesome!!! 20:03:22 would you have a machine there? or just buy those? 20:04:12 qould/will 20:04:14 :@ 20:04:20 s/would/will 20:04:35 im trying to find a vendor who will make die-cut sheets 20:04:44 its been hard though a lot of companies don't do sheets 20:05:03 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Badge-It-Maker/dp/B000296JY0 20:05:24 * tatica want to buy a badge maker :D 20:07:04 Emichan: we need designs for your "big sticker of the day" asap 20:07:30 spot okay, how asap? 20:07:34 today? 20:07:38 yesterday? :) 20:08:03 we need plenty of time for them to be processed, made, and shipped 20:08:04 hold on, let me fire up my time machine.. 20:08:23 Emichan: i'd let you borrow my TARDIS, but it is... sensitive. 20:08:36 spot, i can pump those out fairly quickly 20:08:50 hi there all 20:08:54 we can use one of my pandas for one 20:08:55 mizmo: as in "i can get them made" ? 20:08:59 maybe a hot dog for another? 20:09:11 spot, print-ready pdf 20:09:32 * spot is willing to give some creative leeway, but i do think we need to keep to the theme of "Fedora and FOSS" in some way 20:09:53 i was thinking one for each of the four foundations 20:10:11 mizmo, literally? or more creatively? 20:10:49 literally 20:10:53 http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Button-Badge-Maker-Cutter-Button-Supplies-/140515544476?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b7610d9c#ht_1048wt_907 20:11:15 well, that will be fast at least, since we don't have to do any new drawing 20:11:35 well, we could do that, but i at least wanted to give you the chance to make new art if you wanted 20:12:40 i wouldn't mind doing something more creative with the four foundations.. 20:12:56 Emichan: sounds like a winner to me 20:13:48 spot, what kind of deadline are we looking at for the stickers? do we need to get them done today? tomorrow? 20:14:14 Emichan: how much will you scream if i say today? :) 20:14:27 only on the inside ;) 20:14:47 i just really want to make sure we're ready in advance, and we only have less than 3 weeks before the show 20:14:59 (and less time for you since you're going to the larger SXSW) 20:16:14 I can get them done quickly if need be. 20:16:49 I can get maybe get some drawn up tonight 20:17:12 i didn't have any plans tonight, anyway... ;) 20:17:32 * mizmo working on four f's stickers now as a backup 20:17:42 vinzv, welcome to the team! 20:17:55 hi there vinzv :) 20:17:57 we are in craziness mode right now hehe 20:18:02 mizmo, good idea, i'll do my best, but... 20:18:16 hi vinzv! welcome aboard! 20:18:33 vinzv, *\º/* 20:18:52 Emichan, it's always good to have a plan b (the printers asked for sample artwork anyway to help make a quote) 20:19:24 mizmo, plan b++! 20:20:55 * finalzone somebody should update pitivi, 0.13.5 version keep crashing just for some editing... 20:23:02 tatica, can you give us an update on your ticket progress? 20:23:06 you have been kicking serious booty 20:23:25 mizmo: thanks! 20:23:27 hi schendje :) 20:23:30 I'm just trying to clean up the easier old tickets 20:23:32 mizmo: already seen, much more chaotic than ambassadors meetings ;-) 20:23:34 tatica, you are awesome ticket closing machine! 20:23:50 afaik, there are 10closed tickets, and I have right now 6 (I think) 20:24:07 spot, Emichan: plan b http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/badge-stickers/sxsw-large-stickers_draft1.png 20:24:21 vinzv, this is like a playground 20:24:26 :) 20:24:45 btw, I have something for mizmo 20:24:48 * tatica uploading 20:25:11 no... is bad 20:25:17 * tatica redo everything 20:25:21 mizmo, i like the solid stickers best 20:25:35 the second row? 20:25:43 yeh i think those look the best too 20:25:45 right 20:25:47 cheapest to print as well lol 20:25:54 win win! 20:26:20 spot, Emichan - how many do we want of each? 20:26:40 #info we <3 tatica 20:26:50 lol 20:26:53 #agreed 20:27:04 how many can we get? 20:27:07 * tatica also needs to keep helping schendje with insight 20:27:15 #agreed 20:27:17 :) 20:27:22 schendje, can we test the user/admin icons this week? 20:27:30 schendje, I'm not sure if I made those too big :\ 20:27:39 tatica: that's okay for me :) 20:27:39 mizmo, spot, are we doing the sticker contest? 20:27:58 sticket ninjitsu contest ftw! 20:28:12 Emichan, spot: $650 for 3,000 stickers, so prollyl something like 2600 for 3,000 of each of the four designs (12,000 stickers total) 20:28:36 tatica, are there any tickets you need help with or want someone to look at? 20:28:57 well, I need help is with the slogan issue 20:29:10 I just got some easy tickets, and all artwork is already done 20:29:16 just waiting for feed-back 20:29:49 okay stickerrobot is a rip off, uprinting.com will do 5,000 of one design for $150 20:30:06 do we want to take some time to talk over the slogans for the posters? 20:30:15 tarzan-english: I don't take tickets to let people know I -will-work on them; I take them when I have something to show :\ 20:30:16 which ticket was the posters for? is it for the APAC events one? 20:30:20 20:30:26 yup, let me link you 20:30:54 Emichan: If we have budget, then yes. 20:31:26 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/166 20:31:40 I already fix the "friends" text 20:31:58 mizmo: wow, that is nicer. 20:32:06 at $150 * 4, we should be able to budget for 5000 per day 20:32:07 I just need a new text for the controversial freedom 20:32:40 spot, with shipping to westford it says $527.82 for 20,000 20:33:10 tatica, what do you think about "freedom is a feature" ? 20:33:13 we've used the slogan elsewhere 20:33:14 mizmo: thats four designs of 5000 each, not 20000 of one, right? 20:33:29 spot, that's 20k of one, their quote app won't let me do 4 separate designs 20:33:33 i can call them up real quick and get a real quote 20:33:44 their turnaround is 4 biz days btw 20:33:47 with emphasis at "is" ? 20:34:11 mizmo, that's great - we don't have to rush as much :) 20:34:52 * spot likes "freedom opens doors" 20:35:41 freedom is a feature than open doors? 20:36:06 tatica: that was just my suggestion, i think it should be short and simple, whatever it is 20:36:32 well, after this weekend incident, I would rather to have something more explicit 20:37:21 maybe "freedom for everyone" 20:37:32 well crap 20:37:39 mizmo: oh? 20:37:42 tatica: there's meeting on Thursday with the Insight theme, can you make that? 20:37:42 so that price was for rectangular 20:37:44 which is ick 20:37:48 doh. 20:37:55 you get into circular, and it's $550/5k 20:37:58 schendje, utc time? 20:38:13 spot, I like that one 20:38:20 if we make them 2"x2" we can save a bit, $335/5,000 20:38:37 1.5"x1.5" - $260/5000 20:38:52 tatica: wiki says "on Thursdays at 2:00pm US-Eastern time." 20:38:54 mizmo: i think 2" x 2" is the smallest we want to go 20:38:59 i have no idea what that means ;) 20:39:11 looool, me neither 20:39:20 if is until 22utc I can make it 20:39:26 until/before 20:39:44 thats 1900 UTC 20:39:53 mizmo, 2x2 would be okay 20:40:08 +1, then I can :D 20:40:16 schendje: meetings got moved to mondays for insight, IIRC 20:40:21 starting next week 20:40:29 stickster: ^^ 20:40:30 oh oh, same time? 20:40:41 stickster: the meeting got moved AND this week's meeting is being skipped, correct? 20:40:45 for FI? 20:40:54 schendje: tatica: Oops, I need to change the wiki page, my fault 20:41:00 I fixed the meeting channel page, but not the [[Insight]] page 20:41:14 rbergeron: That's correct, the next Insight meeting is next Monday at 2000 UTC/3:00pm US EST 20:41:38 Of course, it's a wiki and anyone could fix it... 20:41:38 ;-) 20:41:42 stickster: cool. I remember seeing it got moved. 20:41:49 * rbergeron would have fixed it after getting off the phone :) 20:41:58 and verifying that I'm not insane by reading my mail 20:42:01 perfect 20:42:02 * stickster fixes 20:42:20 rbergeron: no sweat 20:42:50 I sent something to the logistics@ list yesterday too, so hopefully people hanging there will know as well 20:43:15 schendje, if you can do me a quick ping I would be thankful :$ 20:43:38 tatica: but we changed it, and it seems this Thursday we won't have a meeting 20:43:40 next one will be next Monday 20:43:51 schendje, yeap, that's why 20:43:54 2000 UTC 20:43:57 mondays I'm lost 20:44:20 mizmo: http://www.stickers4u.com/circle_roll_labels.htm ? 20:44:24 I wake up at 3am and got a 3 hours trip to my work 20:44:36 all mondays I'm a zombie 20:44:37 (the one on Monday) 20:46:04 spot, so that's $221 for 5000 - best yet 20:46:27 tatica: you mean, at the start of the meeting on Monday? 20:46:27 tatica: sure! 20:46:27 tatica: wait, no, i'm on vacation on Monday :/ 20:46:28 oh that is for 1" 20:46:33 spot, those aren't really any cheaper unless we go with single color 20:46:36 looool 20:46:47 $266 for 2" diameter 20:46:53 Emichan, those designs would be single-color 20:46:54 schendje, then we will be 2 zombies 20:46:56 the middle row 20:47:26 $310 for 5,000 2.5" it looks like 20:47:31 mizmo, oh, true :P 20:48:26 fyi, i just finished another "dotted" country: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz/Projects#Switzerland 20:48:29 ohhhhh 20:48:38 has anyone here draw a cherry tree before? 20:49:52 266 * 4 = $1064 20:50:01 thats a big chunk of budget, but... 20:51:04 vinzv: which countries are you planning on doing? 20:51:09 vinzv: and how did you make them, i'm curious :) 20:51:17 vinzv, did you use tile clones to do it? 20:51:48 * tatica likes dottet countries a lot 20:52:03 but spain is going to be a challenge with the canary islands :P 20:52:30 schendje: there is no plan, i just started. switzerland was a wish by someone on my blog. 20:52:30 schendje: mizmo is right, tile clones on inkscape with some hand work around the borders 20:52:50 vinzv: cool :) 20:53:11 tatica: i started working on the uk and failed right before scotland :D 20:53:19 hahahahaha 20:53:30 mizmo & Emichan: I've added a Budget section to the SXSW page 20:53:32 vinzv, this can be a really interesting project to have all fedora countries "dotted" 20:54:01 schendje: meanwhile i'm quite fast, as i have sort of a "workflow". 20:54:04 mizmo, spot, should we look at doing 3000 stickers instead of 5000? 20:54:16 vinzv: yeah :) i like how they're different colors 20:54:24 Emichan: i'm okay with using a big chunk of budget on the stickers 20:54:40 vinzv: ah, you used both the Fedora blues - awesome 20:54:41 aplausos clap aplausos clap for vinzv :D 20:54:53 tatica: i'd wish to do that... 20:55:03 but we don't know yet what the sheets will cost - Emichan, spot 20:55:08 spot, we've also got the badge stickers to think of 20:55:26 Emichan: yes, but if we're doing the giveaway, some people may want one to keep and one for the entry form 20:55:35 vinzv, those graphics can be used not only for t-shirts... I would LOVE a huge poster with that design at my office 20:55:35 schendje: right. thanks to mizmo's tutorial there are even print ready cmyk pdfs on the wiki. 20:55:43 or a sweater 20:55:45 :$ 20:56:07 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SXSW_2011#Budget 20:57:02 spot, we shouldn't waste a sticker on an entry form, can we just check it off, or something? 20:57:11 tatica: so you're asking for venezuela as the next country to be done? ;-) 20:57:31 am I that obvious? xD 20:57:42 we could scan their badges if they show they have all four 20:57:44 and not waste the sticker 20:57:45 well... 20:57:45 spot ^^ 20:57:55 vinzv, my only recomendation 20:58:04 try to make the dots size more equal 20:58:04 mizmo: okay, but now we need a badge scanner system. 20:58:10 spot, any android phone will do 20:58:18 if dots are too small, when we take them to printing will be a chaos 20:58:32 I like france size 20:58:40 and a way to convert that list into something where it randomizes the list and spits out a "winner" along with "runners up", one at a time 20:58:42 spot, you could literally just take photos of each, dump them in a folder, randomly pick a picture and only read the QR code of that one picture 20:58:47 and would use germany size as the smaller 20:58:56 mizmo: trust me, we want to keep this simple 20:59:09 vinzv, do you think that is possible to increase switzerland and usa dot size? 20:59:28 if there are too many moving pieces, you'll have to pick me and jared up from the asylum 20:59:33 spot, but its simple no? you have 5000 pictures you took say. on the command line you can spit out a number from 0 - 5000 with one line - look up dsc1020 <= or whatever the number is 20:59:36 and read in that photo's qr 20:59:43 hell 20:59:44 switzerland... hard to write (switzerland = suiza_es... easier :D ) 20:59:46 dont bother with the qr code 20:59:50 take the picture of their name on the badge 21:00:13 spot, entry forms means printing them, getting people to fill them out, etc, so still not simple 21:00:16 * spot is not liking that approach 21:00:19 tatica: they only differ on the previews i think 21:00:51 on svg format the should be all the same, just with different shapes according to the country size 21:00:57 I think that I get what you say, but you don't get what I say 21:01:06 you're taking dot size acording to the world map 21:01:18 my concern is that i don't know that without an entry form that many people will retain four days worth of stickers on their person 21:01:24 but when you go to print, the size of countries is the same (letter) 21:01:40 so distance between dots, no-matter the country size, must be the same at prints 21:01:53 we could use an ink stamp for the form, i dont know how cheap they are 21:01:55 *click* 21:02:00 now i gotcha :) 21:02:06 xD 21:02:10 spot, i'll carve you a potato ;) 21:02:15 Emichan: hehe 21:02:29 vinzv, tip: you can use a dot pattern on a letter layer and place the map on it 21:02:39 then just clean... that way dots will always have the same size 21:03:20 hm... could have come up with that idea on my own... thanks! 21:03:29 or...use the inkscape patter colors, click on dots and twist it a little so dots be horizontal 21:03:54 patter... not colors 21:03:56 my bad 21:04:56 * tatica forgot again the f15 wallpaper deadline 21:05:14 we could get four stock stamps for the entry form 21:05:15 march13? 21:12:54 Emichan: i say the people hold on to them. 21:13:02 id cool photos: http://www.uwe.ac.uk/inPictures/assets/images/welcomeweekend/settling_in3.jpg and http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_01/idcardDM0503_468x435.jpg 21:13:04 that way we're not trying to find someone's card for an hour 21:13:41 we pre-print a large amount of entry cards, no bigger than a postcard 21:13:51 heck, they could even be a postcard with art on one side 21:14:52 I like it :-) 21:15:15 well, except that custom postcards are not cheap. 21:15:21 we'd blow our budget on the forms. 21:15:54 first website i found was $335 for 5000 21:15:55 we can get 5000 custom postcards on uprinting.com for <$200 21:16:06 Emichan: okay, thats more reasonable 21:17:33 looks like $215.92 for five thousand (front and back printing) 21:17:58 $175.02 if we just do front printing 21:18:24 spot: I might be able to get better pricing... my wife prints postcards all the time 21:18:42 (She's had over 10,000 printed already this year) 21:18:59 of course, if we do that, we still have the problem of "pile of postcards, how do we pick a winner" 21:19:20 numbers 21:19:28 the penguin picks the postcard out of a top hat 21:19:32 spot: Large game of rock, paper, scissors 21:19:43 tatica: as in, we give every completed entry a number? 21:19:48 spot: If you've never seen a large-group version of rock, paper, scissors, you've never lived! 21:19:58 jsmith: lol 21:20:02 yup 21:20:07 Former employer of mine used to do it at trade shows, and give away a Hummer 21:20:17 rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock! 21:20:18 It steals all the thunder from the other booths :-) 21:20:20 tatica: yeah, but we have to track those numbers 21:20:29 photos 21:20:36 jsmith: did they actually give away a Hummer or a lease to one? 21:20:40 Emichan: i've always loved this on: http://www.umop.com/rps25.htm 21:20:44 spot: The real deal 21:20:49 hmmm hummer.... 21:21:10 jsmith: lately, that seems to be the gimmick, you don't give away the car, you just give them ... the lease! 21:21:21 schendje, I think that may cause the world to end 21:21:45 Emichan: correct, I tried it with just two friends and the ground started to rumble 21:21:50 i am not referreeing a large game of rock paper scissors anything. 21:22:13 (this is an awesome meeting so far, btw :D ) 21:22:21 schendje, that was amazingly careless of you! you could have started the armageddon! 21:22:22 would people want to keep the postcards? 21:22:31 mizmo: maybe, i dont know 21:22:32 the thing is if we keep the postcards for drawing then people don't go home with bling :( 21:22:47 you know, if we wanted to go low tech 21:22:52 we could just get a big roll of tickets 21:22:53 why don't you do "badges-poscards"? 21:22:54 i'd rather have 5,000 people go home with stickers on their laptop 21:23:00 no.. stupid me 21:23:01 show us your four stamped card 21:23:03 than one of 5000 get a cool prize 21:23:04 get a ticket 21:23:04 you're going with a single design 21:23:06 forget it 21:23:12 spot, ah i like that 21:23:12 show us your four stickers, get a ticket 21:23:14 tickets +1 21:23:21 then, we draw a ticket. 21:23:37 double your chances to win by wearing your stickers on the last day 21:23:54 sticker on laptop 21:23:58 tickets ++ -> easier to draw than a postcard :) 21:24:04 wearing/showing/whatever 21:24:14 Emichan: well, we still need the entry forms for the main form of entry 21:24:22 we just won't collect them 21:24:37 actually, i figured out how to game the system there 21:24:44 we'd have to collect them if we did that 21:24:48 spot, draw as in "draw out of a hat" ;) 21:24:59 Emichan: ah. 21:25:20 spot, just keep showing postcards and getting tickets 21:25:31 Emichan: yeah, thats the hack 21:25:40 we could mark the postcards once they've gotten a ticket 21:25:50 Emichan: i like it! 21:26:01 but couldnt they pick up another postcard 21:26:02 maybe we should forget about postcards and just give out tickets, one per sticker 21:26:22 stickerrobot lets you print on the sticker backing 21:26:28 but they are a rip off, but other vendors would too 21:26:34 maybe make the sticker backing the ticket 21:26:36 mizmo: yes, but they wouldn't be able to get four stamps on the last day 21:26:37 oh that doesnt work though does it 21:27:06 show us four tickets, and you get an entry? 21:28:05 the logic is this: visit us every day, get a sticker and a stamp. On day four, show us the postcard with four stamps, get a ticket. If you show us all four of our daily big stickers stuck on you or your stuff, you get a bonus ticket. 21:28:41 the only loophole is if people get multiple postcards and come by our booth repeatedly to get it stamped 21:28:56 youd recognize ppl though right 21:29:03 maybe guard the postcards so people can't just show up and grab a stack 21:29:11 tickets people could slip inside their badges/wallets 21:29:14 mizmo: maybe, but if we're getting 30K people by the booth a day 21:29:21 well its a 30k person event 21:29:28 i dont know if youd get 30k people by the booth every day 21:29:33 maybe total over 4 days, maybe 21:29:34 mizmo: fair point 21:29:36 but they wont all stop by 21:29:44 (losers) 21:29:47 (those who dont stop by) 21:29:52 :) 21:30:15 the prize would have to be pretty sweet for people to jump through these hoops though. 21:30:30 a cake 21:30:30 lol 21:30:40 we cannot give away an ipod 21:30:44 * mizmo ... memories of linuxcon 21:30:51 oh that was an ipad actually 21:30:54 yeah, i don't think it can be Apple* 21:31:28 a netbook? 21:31:29 we could give away a xoom! 21:31:36 whats a xoom Emichan? 21:31:39 a Hummer 21:31:42 it's linux-ish 21:31:53 xoom = motorola android tablet 21:31:55 spot, how about a nice gently used penguin costome lol 21:31:59 Emichan, oh i want that 21:32:03 can i be the winner? 21:32:07 :) 21:32:28 spot, what about an olpc 21:32:40 you cant BUY those man 21:32:46 not for love or money 21:32:54 mizmo: yeah, but i don't know that it has the indy-hipster cred. 21:32:59 http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Tablets/ci.MOTOROLA-XOOM-US-EN.overview 21:33:21 You could get an archos tablet, which is a lot less than the xoom, iirc 21:33:42 theyre kind of not very good though :( 21:33:45 the archos 21:33:52 again, i think the response might be "pshaw, i have an ipad." 21:34:06 i know 21:34:12 a roll of ipad branded toilet paper 21:34:13 :-p 21:34:14 oh, or an adam 21:34:27 mizmo - that would be awesom! :) 21:34:36 i would totally jump through hoops for that 21:34:40 whats an adam Emichan 21:34:47 im guessing its not hte 1980s coleco i grew up with 21:34:50 well, instead of one big prize, we could do several smaller ones. 21:34:57 another android tablet 21:35:10 less expensive than the xoom, i beleve 21:35:35 What about a, uh, little drawing pad that is known to work with the design suite? 21:36:12 spot, you can get a 16gb sandisk cruzer for $30. 5 of those preloaded with f14 ? 21:36:12 rbergeron: hmm, one of the nicer tablets might be a worthy prize 21:36:20 the wacom bamboo is $100 21:37:16 4x6 intuos is $230 21:37:16 swiss army usb key knife! 21:37:18 oh, the plane 21:37:20 nevermind 21:37:34 the smaller cintiq is 999 21:37:43 thats a worthy prize 21:37:57 * mizmo can watch qa playing with one of those from her desk right now 21:38:12 it is but is it worth the $? 21:38:37 well, i suppose it depends on how much we have left after the stickers and the postcards and the roll of tickets 21:40:05 http://www.amazon.com/EMTEC-Animal-Flash-EKMMD4GM314-Penguin/dp/B003AM8PP2%3FSubscriptionId%3D14H876SFAKFS0EHBYQ02%26tag%3D3boystoyscom-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB003AM8PP2 <= live sticks! 21:40:10 i have the panda, it's nice :) 21:40:13 only 4gb tho 21:40:28 $8.99 per 2000 double ticket roll on amazon 21:40:46 ooh, $6.95 in blue 21:41:15 mizmo so cute! :) 21:41:22 we could do the wristband usb drives fairly cheaply 21:41:28 or laser pointer usb drives hehe 21:41:45 i just dont think people will do all this for a chance at a small prize 21:41:56 * jsmith agrees w/ spot 21:42:05 spot, i agree, i think a large prize is a much better draw 21:43:10 oh oh what about those cool usb monitors 21:43:14