18:01:19 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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18:01:22 <mizmo> #topic roll call
18:01:26 <mizmo> who's here!
18:01:31 <t2hot> o/
18:01:35 <gnokii> me
18:02:05 <mizmo> anybody else around?
18:02:30 <mizmo> h
18:02:32 <mizmo> hm
18:02:35 <tatica> o/
18:02:39 <tatica> barely, but I'm here
18:02:56 <mizmo> so the main topic is the f16 artwork i think
18:03:07 <mizmo> ixxvil did a design for a shipwreck but i haven't modified the artwork yet
18:03:13 <mizmo> how is the castle progressing?
18:03:40 <t2hot> well, nothing much
18:03:52 * t2hot feels bad about that
18:04:17 <t2hot> but I should work seriously on that in the following week
18:04:23 <mizmo> okay cool
18:04:43 <mizmo> i dont think there is much new to report on anaconda's design
18:04:52 <mizmo> we're looking to wrap up the work by end of august
18:05:06 <tatica> I believe this week everyone was a bit overload with $daywork
18:05:24 * tatica now is worried and doesn't know if extend another week is the apropiated
18:05:32 <mizmo> its our only option
18:05:40 <mizmo> 26 is the date to start packaging
18:05:47 <mizmo> so we need to make a choice next week and there will be no more pushing off
18:06:13 <t2hot> fine with me
18:06:20 <tatica> yes, that's why I'm worried
18:06:56 <tatica> just for the record. t2hot what does your render needs to be done? (only trees or something more?)
18:07:32 <t2hot> tatica, you dont wanna hear the answer to that do you?
18:07:45 <tatica> yeap :\
18:08:07 <t2hot> Okay ... following the present version: yes, trees and mapping
18:08:13 <vinzv> o/
18:08:17 <tatica> hi vinzv
18:08:23 <vinzv> hi tatica
18:08:25 <vinzv> hi all
18:08:54 <tatica> I can help with render, but not with modeling; and I will be free this weekend
18:09:06 <t2hot> but actually, I was gonna remodel the castle and the island and push back the landscape.
18:09:11 <tatica> don't know if there are some of the team that can login on saturday and work a bit on it
18:09:14 <t2hot> a bit
18:09:45 <t2hot> that, ... because of a discussion I had with elad
18:09:55 <t2hot> he made a point I'd like to consider in the design
18:10:01 <tatica> wanna talk about it?
18:10:07 <t2hot> sure
18:10:59 <t2hot> I'm thinking of the best way to put it\
18:11:03 <t2hot> okay
18:12:03 <t2hot> We feel that it has the tendency to draw much attention to itself than act as a 'not-so-domineering \
18:12:10 <t2hot> '...wallpaper
18:12:20 <t2hot> I hope you can decode that
18:12:30 <t2hot> so I studied it a bit
18:12:49 <t2hot> and I can attribute that to the proportions of the elements
18:13:06 <t2hot> especially compared to ixxvil's sketches
18:13:21 <t2hot> My island and castles are bigger
18:13:30 <t2hot> and the landscape is closer
18:13:47 <t2hot> so I need to reduce those and  ...., we might have to flip the entire image
18:14:04 <t2hot> so the castle and the island goes away from the icon zones
18:14:08 <t2hot> I don't know
18:14:21 <t2hot> just a thought ... my analysis.  i could be wrong
18:14:26 <t2hot> what do you think?
18:15:02 <mizmo> yeh it should be a bit less in-your-fast
18:15:06 * ixxvil is here
18:15:13 <mizmo> i think the clouds/mist in ixxvil's sketch make a big difference too
18:15:16 <tatica> I believe it can be done... only if we dedicate at least one day only to that
18:15:23 <tatica> that will mean sacrifice 1-weekend day
18:15:25 <t2hot> sure
18:15:41 <tatica> working together maybe is the solution to finish the wallpaper faster/better
18:16:09 <ixxvil> regarding the remodelling
18:16:20 * t2hot will be more comfortable with weekday ... monday -wednesday
18:16:31 <ixxvil> isnt it easier to just readjust it in 3d
18:17:23 <t2hot> ixxvil .. adjusting existing 3ds may prove tougher than making new ones sometimes ... it depends
18:17:27 <tatica> what if we hang out tomorrow (on weekdays I can only go from 15-20UTC)
18:17:38 <ixxvil> well you made a 3d of the castle already
18:17:49 <t2hot> I can reuse that
18:17:50 <ixxvil> all you have to do is turn it a bit more to the left, so the front is facing more
18:18:13 <ixxvil> basically take the entire thing and just move it a bit to the left
18:18:14 * tatica still believe that with render, much things can be solved
18:18:39 <tatica> but as mather of time.. I guess I will work now with 2.4 and not with 2.5 (until I get more familiar with the new interface)
18:19:23 <ixxvil> and ye reduce the lenght of the water
18:20:39 <tatica> t2hot, ixxvil can you be online tomorrow?
18:20:45 <ixxvil> ye im always around
18:20:46 <tatica> from 15-29utc?
18:20:56 <tatica> awesome
18:20:59 <gnokii> 29utc?
18:21:08 <tatica> so I guess we can spend tomorrow only on this render and see what came out of it
18:21:12 <tatica> ups!
18:21:16 <tatica> 20... 20...
18:21:23 <t2hot> tatica, yes
18:21:27 <tatica> my days should have like 7 extra-hours
18:21:28 <ixxvil> oh wait
18:21:31 <t2hot> at your time
18:21:38 <ixxvil> UTC 15.29 means what time?
18:21:45 <tatica> that's UTC (is everyone time)
18:22:02 <tatica> ixxvil, at console date --utc (is your local time on UTC)
18:22:02 <ixxvil> well UTC is 6:21 pm now
18:22:03 <tatica> or...
18:22:05 <ixxvil> im in NY
18:22:11 <ixxvil> 14:30 now
18:22:14 <tatica> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=07&year=2011&hour=15&min=30&sec=0
18:22:21 <gnokii> new york is minus 5 to utc
18:22:50 <ixxvil> so if its around 15:30 is what you want right? that would be in the morning over here
18:22:54 <ixxvil> which is fine with me
18:23:12 <tatica> yeap
18:23:23 <ixxvil> ye ol
18:23:25 <ixxvil> ok
18:24:01 <tatica> ok, mizmo want to follow with anaconda? or talk about events?
18:24:03 <ixxvil> t2hot: another thing why you cant get the island stretched out like the sketch because you've stretched it sideways
18:24:27 <ixxvil> maybe stick to the dimensions of say a laptop screen and you'll get a longer island
18:25:44 <t2hot> no problem ... if we'll be online we shouldnt miss
18:26:15 <t2hot> I'll be uploading the progress
18:26:26 <t2hot> for critiques of course
18:27:22 <mizmo> well
18:27:26 <mizmo> the only other thing ihad
18:27:31 <ixxvil> mizmo: the shipwreck is fine?
18:27:34 <mizmo> was that we're doing a design for a new version of fedora community
18:27:40 <mizmo> ixxvil, to be honest i haven't had a chance to look at it yet
18:27:42 <mizmo> this week is crazy
18:27:45 <ixxvil> ok
18:27:45 <mizmo> i have to get on a plane tomorrow
18:28:09 <tatica> mizmo, :O
18:28:15 <ixxvil> it's on artboard
18:28:30 <mizmo> this is the fedora community v2 design work so far, it's in the fedora-ux git http://linuxgrrl.com/fedora-ux/Projects/Fedora%20Community%20v2/
18:28:32 <pcon> mizmo: also, we've gotten two new entries for supplemental wallpapers and I made another post to the blog.  Still waiting on DevantArt access to the groups
18:29:27 <mizmo> http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2011/07/20/fedora-community-the-app-update/  this is more detail about the fedora community project
18:29:45 <mizmo> pcon, you shouldn't need to be a member of the deviant art groups to post on their wall
18:30:00 <mizmo> (unless deviant art has changed, which could be)
18:30:02 <pcon> mizmo: good to know.  It seemed like you did.  I'll look at it again
18:30:06 <mizmo> two new entries sounds awesome
18:30:31 <mizmo> ixxvil, the shipwreck sketch looks fanastic
18:31:55 <mizmo> i dont think we really have anything else on the agenda
18:32:01 <mizmo> so we can do open floor
18:32:05 <mizmo> #topic open floor
18:32:32 <tatica> I would like to chat a bit about Pune logo for FUDcon
18:32:44 <tatica> I know breaks guidelines... but I would like to keep some elements
18:32:48 <tatica> (same with Milan)
18:33:26 <tatica> mizmo, have you look at them?
18:33:46 <mizmo> i did and i left a detailed critique on the pune logo blog post
18:34:45 <tatica> ok, so both logos must be modified?
18:34:54 <mizmo> yeh it's gotta follow the guidelines
18:34:58 <mizmo> the color issues are the biggest
18:35:10 <gnokii> where is a logo for pune?
18:35:26 <mizmo> http://suchakra.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-designs/poster_fudcon_india_concept_revA.png
18:35:31 <mizmo> the logo there looks great now
18:35:36 <mizmo> but the rest of the poster still has some issues
18:36:04 <gnokii> yeah I left him some comments
18:36:13 <mizmo> there shouldn't be a white border on the fedora logo
18:36:23 <mizmo> and if i don't know what a fudcon is i won't know why to go
18:37:36 <mizmo> gnokii, your critique was good, they are good points
18:38:37 <mizmo> think the poster should say something like, 'Want to learn more about Linux? Want to attend technical talks by open source hackers? Want to get involved with an awesome Linux distro?'
18:38:42 <mizmo> to grab people's attention
18:38:53 <mizmo> then have some of the details a bit smaller, maybe the date/time biggest though
18:39:12 * tatica can help suchakra with that
18:39:19 <mizmo> i wonder if the people printing the posters will have color printers available or if they will need b&w for xerox machine
18:39:30 <tatica> and about milan, needs to be changed too right? (I need to let Francesco know about it)
18:39:44 <mizmo> tatica, i think milan is fine as-is we can make an exception
18:40:03 <mizmo> tatica, and i think we can add the design back to the pune one too, i was more concerned about the colors of the letters in the pune logo than in the design
18:40:16 <mizmo> im not sure why the milan one has all those monuments though
18:40:28 <mizmo> i thought we had agreed on the list to just have the cathedral because its a symbol of milan
18:40:29 <tatica> no no, they choose the one with the dome only
18:40:37 <mizmo> to me, it seems strange to have things from rome in the milan logo
18:40:42 <tatica> the other where test (afaik)
18:40:48 <mizmo> oh okay, when i asked samuele for the latest logo he sent one with rome objects
18:40:54 <mizmo> this was this past week
18:41:07 <tatica> hmm... I will check that then
18:41:09 <mizmo> he said this is final tatica http://www.2s-design.it/fudcon_milan/fudcon_logo_def.png
18:41:41 <ixxvil> mizmo: sweet
18:41:44 <tatica> hmm, weird... well, nothing that a mail can't solve
18:42:54 <ixxvil> ooh the milan one is nice
18:43:04 * tatica loves the pune one :$
18:43:06 <ixxvil> but maybe add a few more colors for the buildings
18:43:24 <ixxvil> the pune one could use some colors too,i mean gees it's india! full of colors
18:43:49 <ixxvil> like pastels or something so people are not distracted from the original content
18:44:28 <gnokii> ixxvil: I would be happy the pastel colors would be removed from the posters they are confusing
18:44:37 <mizmo> yeh i dont like the pastel colors in the poster
18:44:43 <mizmo> they make the design less strong
18:44:45 <tatica> gnokii, yeah... :(
18:45:20 <ixxvil> milan one needs the church gone:P
18:45:20 <gnokii> people dont read in the right order in that case
18:45:36 <mizmo> ixxvil, no that wouldn't make any sense. all of those monuments are not in milan, except for the church
18:45:37 <ixxvil> it's taking an awful lot of space like the jehovahs fudCON!
18:45:38 <ixxvil> :P
18:45:42 <ixxvil> oh
18:45:49 <ixxvil> milan is in italy eh
18:45:49 <mizmo> it's like saying fudcon california and having a picture of the empire state building
18:46:13 <ixxvil> well the pisa tower is in italy
18:46:20 <mizmo> its in rome, not milan
18:46:21 <gnokii> thats right but finding a thing for milan except the soccer club is hard
18:46:26 <ixxvil> ooh
18:46:37 <mizmo> milan is known for high-end fashion i thought
18:46:42 <mizmo> a lot of internation designers there
18:46:53 <ixxvil> fasihon designers
18:47:03 <mizmo> samuele is from italy and he thinks the cathedral is the best milan-specific landmark so i would trust his judgment
18:47:06 <ixxvil> here's an idea
18:47:11 <ixxvil> maybe make the church a bit smaller
18:47:15 <ixxvil> and add the guy on the horse
18:47:21 <ixxvil> Milan Landmarks: Arco della Pace (The Arch of Pea
18:47:52 * tatica brb
18:48:00 <ixxvil> or even
18:48:06 <gnokii> ixxvil: never heard from it
18:48:14 <ixxvil> a fashion boutique store's side window and fedor written on it
18:48:20 <ixxvil> and drapes around it
18:49:15 <ixxvil> i mean something like this http://travelsplendid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/163134935_b1ed5b1a8e_b.jpg
18:49:44 <ixxvil> actually nvm
18:50:47 <gnokii> mizmo: would it be ok to put the vitruvian man into the bubble?
18:51:39 <ixxvil> ye sounds like a nice idea
18:51:42 <tatica> back
18:51:43 <ixxvil> let's see
18:52:18 <mizmo> i dont think we have time at this point to make drastic changes to the milan logo
18:52:26 <ixxvil> ok
18:52:36 <mizmo> gnokii, i think that would be samuele's call
18:52:43 <mizmo> i dont think its a bad idea but it's his project
18:52:58 <gnokii> yeah its ok, was just an idea
18:53:04 <mizmo> can someone send samuele an email to give him these ideas?
18:53:35 * tatica already did :D
18:53:48 <mizmo> great :)
18:53:50 <mizmo> tatica++
18:53:51 <mizmo> :)
18:54:22 <ixxvil> vitruvian man for the milan poster?
18:56:50 * tatica working a bit on india poster
18:56:53 <gnokii> all quiet now?
18:56:57 <mizmo> well
18:57:00 <mizmo> ive got a hard stop at 3
18:57:07 <mizmo> we'll end meeting, unless there's anything else?
18:57:20 <tatica> I do
18:57:22 <tatica> where are my cookies?
18:57:40 <mizmo> pcon, great blog post :)
18:58:07 <gnokii> tatica: http://www.openclipart.org/detail/130009/cookie-by-gnokii
18:58:13 <tatica> :D
18:59:03 <mizmo> #endmeeting