18:03:03 #startmeeting 18:03:03 Meeting started Thu Jul 28 18:03:03 2011 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:03:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:05 #topic rollcall 18:03:14 me is here 18:03:14 * msourada is present 18:03:25 * HakS present 18:04:06 o/ 18:04:14 okay since tatica is the wallpaper wrangler and she is not around right now (she is still at lunch) 18:04:21 we'll talk about the alpha wallpaper a little later 18:04:35 * ianweller lurks 18:04:51 * jsmith is here 18:07:07 okay im looking up our previous meting minutes 18:08:28 so last week we talked about supplemental wallpapers 18:08:31 the deadline for that is coming up soon 18:09:08 we also talked about the fudcon india designs 18:09:14 is there anybody here involved with the fudcon india work? 18:09:23 there was good progress made on the logo last week 18:09:28 #topic fudcon india 18:10:00 * jsmith is marginally involved (from a planning perspective, not from the actual design perspective) 18:10:19 i saw this post from suchakra http://suchakra.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/fudcon-india-2011-design-updates-1/ 18:10:27 and we provided some feedback on that last meeting 18:10:59 it doesn't look like he has posted an update yet. 18:11:21 #info would be good to get an update on fudcon india poster status http://suchakra.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/fudcon-india-2011-design-updates-1/ 18:11:22 this morning was a shirt proposal on the list but wasnt from suchkara 18:11:47 yep 18:11:53 here is buddhika's shirt proposal 18:12:07 front was good backside not so much 18:12:08 #info buddhika's proposal for fudcon india tshirt https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fudcon-india-tshirt-1-design.png 18:13:17 does anyone have some critique we could send buddhika? 18:14:08 * kirkB is here now (sorry to be late) 18:14:16 oh tatica sent me some mockups for fudcon india too 18:14:31 so this is the logo; i think we all agreed last week this is good and we should go with it: 18:14:32 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6135/5961407519_6760a5cbb6_o.png 18:14:55 #info fudcon india logo http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6135/5961407519_6760a5cbb6_o.png 18:15:03 er pune 18:15:10 #info fudcon pune poster http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/5962277370_fd84b3f46a_o.png 18:15:14 i think the poster still needs some work 18:15:18 the logo looks nice, the back side of the shirt is strange. Looks like some low-res scaled design... 18:15:27 i think maybe the colors on the poster are too much 18:15:29 msourada: +1 18:15:47 i like that the poster describes what fudcon is though 18:15:49 mizmo: its the building what is now to much 18:15:57 yeh on the tshirt, it is hard to make out what hte design is on the back. 18:16:04 and it has a background, which looks odd. 18:16:33 tatica also sent me a mockup for the fudcon pune website 18:16:35 #info http://www.fudcon.tuxdna.in/APAC/index.html 18:16:46 it's a good start 18:16:53 i think its a bit strange to have a picture of milan though 18:17:01 * t2hot ...brb 18:17:10 t looks like it was originally a milan mockup because it has milan info along the bottom too 18:17:33 indeed :D 18:18:30 think the shape from the logo can repeated on the backside in different sizes 18:18:57 gnokii, the rosette pattern? 18:19:01 i think that would look very cool 18:19:07 just one thing when he keep the whit shirts I would do the bubbles in blue instead black 18:19:12 yes the rosettte 18:19:16 the blue in this mockup looks like the wrong color blue. it's too purple ish 18:19:41 u mean from the logo? 18:20:28 no, there is a blue bar in the center of the screen 18:20:39 it's behind the milan photo 18:20:42 http://www.fudcon.tuxdna.in/APAC/index.html do you see it? 18:20:48 mom 18:21:25 thaught we talk about the shirt 18:22:21 ohhh 18:22:23 let me go back to the shirt 18:22:41 i can't really understand what the design in the back is 18:22:48 but i agree if it is blue instead of black it would look better 18:23:20 there's no isuse with the front of the shirt though, right? 18:23:40 o/ 18:23:43 sry I'm late 18:23:44 :S 18:23:44 no it looks fine 18:23:57 the front is nice 18:23:59 okay i will send him some critique right now 18:24:44 * tatica reading fast backlog 18:24:49 aja done 18:25:25 so we discussed the fudcon logo design = it seems +1 from everyone 18:25:28 * tatica eating lunch right now at meeting :D 18:25:37 we discussed buddhika's shirt = it seems we like the front of the design but the back needs some more work 18:25:45 the website mockup you sent me tatica, i think needs more work 18:25:55 and also i think the fudcon pune poster needs some more work but is a good improvement from the last version 18:26:08 mizmo, a lot, that was the modification made to Milan template to fit all regions 18:26:23 yeh we figured that out looking at it closely :) 18:26:25 now comes the work of fill it, mether has already provide some info for it and tuxdna will work on that 18:26:29 the problem with the regions navigation bar though 18:26:35 is that the upper left corner says fudcon pune. 18:26:42 but what happens if you click north america? 18:26:45 the logo will have to change 18:26:47 but that might look weird? 18:26:55 maybe better to have a generic 'fudcon' logo in the upper left 18:27:03 then do the full location logo somewhere else on the page to show the location 18:27:06 mizmo, sure, was mostly a navigation work 18:27:13 mizmo, not yet a region work 18:27:14 i really like the idea of one fudcon wbesite though where you can find out about all of the fudcons 18:27:17 it is a great idea 18:27:17 cool 18:27:23 did you see the poster critique? 18:27:28 (I'm still working to become a member of Fedora Design Team) but the front of the shirt is very casual and I like it. If you want more profesional look you can throw the logo up in the upper right/left breast of the shirt and scale it down a bit. Either way will look great depending on event. 18:27:44 welcome to the team xconstaud!! 18:27:52 fast brb (5min) 18:28:09 Thanks, I'm still working on becoming "offical" :) 18:28:46 xconstaud, cool, we will help you through it. it looks like you have been making some good progress on the scientific spin 18:28:59 back 18:29:12 tatica, do you want to discuss the fudcon pune poster more or should we move on to the f16 artwork? 18:29:31 like we already start with pune lets talk a bit about it 18:29:31 i know martin needs us to make an alpha decision so he can get it packaged, and he needs our help with karma 18:29:34 okay 18:29:40 * tatica saves wallpaper to the end.. :$ 18:29:41 the only thing left to discuss on pune is the release poster 18:30:04 okay so here is the poster design http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/5962277370_fd84b3f46a_o.png 18:30:13 i think the logo is perfect 18:30:26 i think it has some great information too 18:30:38 hups thats a complete new one 18:30:42 it says what fudcon is about, it has some topics, it has the where 18:30:47 nd it has more info 18:31:06 i think the multicolors are a bit distracting though? 18:31:12 and i think the information on the page could have a stronger hierarchy 18:31:16 for example 18:31:17 its good only the words on the side are distructing 18:31:39 i think it would be good to have a slug for the poster 18:31:44 for example, 'Interested in open source?' 18:31:50 and that should be the biggest, #1 in the hierarchy 18:32:02 then the date, time, location (there are no times of day here) should be #2 18:32:05 about the poster: I think the text looks too cramped. I'm not sure how big the result poster will be, but I'd suggest making the font smaller and thus allowing some spacing between the general text and headings 18:32:10 then the 'what' and 'topics' could be 3rd in hierarchy 18:32:12 * tatica would like to keep colors (since India is colorful and they really like them) but that was my best idea 18:32:24 if any of you can see a way to make colors work.. plis plis help 18:32:27 tatica, they would make it difficult to xerox though, and they don't impart useful information 18:32:28 Maybe more blue/black/gray/white varients...all the color is a bit distracting in the poster 18:32:54 yeap, I know... my baconipsum doesn't help too much hehe 18:32:59 mizmo: the colors are fine its just to much text and the white text on the right side have to be removed 18:33:17 does anybody know who will be using the posters? 18:33:24 what if we change text for more like what we have on $foundations? 18:33:28 * 4Foundations 18:33:31 do they have access to a color printer? 18:33:33 hmm slogans? 18:33:38 mizmo, afaik, yes 18:33:39 i think just one slogan, not four. 18:33:42 they will go on full color 18:33:56 the slogan should be something that could capture the interest of somebody who has never heard of fudcon before 18:34:06 looks like a flyer not like an poster to me 18:34:16 do you know how large they are going to print them, tatica? 18:34:17 gnokii, interesting... 18:34:25 half-tabloid maybe 18:34:27 it does look more like a flyer to me, but thats usually how we do them 18:34:32 mether is not online, but I can ask tomorrow 18:34:36 okay 18:34:47 even so, that can also work for a flyer 18:34:49 gnokii, thx! 18:35:02 Blacksburg ask for flyers so I can change it to fit there too 18:35:25 ha, thats another topic 18:35:51 the flyer can have colors but i think they need to be integrated a bit better 18:35:54 right now they distract, i think 18:36:08 it is hard to read the text on top of the building too 18:36:23 maybe if the color bars on the left were more narrow 18:36:30 then they wouldn't pull your eye so much 18:36:45 but there is no hierarchy to the design except for the logo 18:36:47 its to much information hidden on them 18:36:52 it's hard to understand where your eye is supposed to go 18:36:56 is their an svg for this design? 18:38:20 tatica, do you have an svg for the poster design? 18:38:27 * mizmo shakes fist at bofh 18:38:57 I'm back! 18:38:59 sure, but nowhere to upload it thx to BOFH 18:39:03 sending to your mail mizmo 18:39:05 as long all svg I have of Pune 18:39:08 okay sweet 18:39:20 done 18:39:43 ill try to work a hierarchy into it so you can see what i mean 18:40:20 sure :D 18:40:32 okay 18:40:37 any other discussion of fudcon pune? 18:40:43 ok, I'm having internet problems so I rather to go with wallpaper now 18:40:46 my Bofh is starting to attack 18:40:51 * t2hot is back 18:41:21 okay 18:41:24 #topic f16 wallpaper 18:41:28 so we need to pick a wallpaper for alpha 18:41:36 so msourada can get started packaging 18:41:38 #link http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/ 18:42:16 will be good that everyone in the room pick a number? 18:42:18 basically I need: 18:42:18 it is between the castle design and the iceberg design right? 18:42:18 (only one) 18:42:18 http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/80 18:42:20 a) 18:42:26 I like this idea: http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/76 18:42:27 a) pictures to be used 18:42:29 tatica, which #'s can we pick from 18:42:31 b) who worked on them 18:43:05 some of the ideas on the artboard have been abandoned so its important to vote on an idea that someone is working on 18:43:28 I would say mostly between 81-80-85 18:43:46 but I would think that wont hurt to make 1 or 2 rounds in order to have a common decition 18:43:55 okay what about http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/75 18:43:56 78 might work for alpha? 18:44:21 85/75 sry 18:44:30 okay so we vote between 81, 80, and 75? 18:44:49 if nobody is oposed, yes... if someone want to add another one to the vote pls feel free to say it now 18:44:53 i think we had ruled out 80 two weeks ago 18:45:00 so i do not think 80 is in the running 18:45:23 so between 75 and 81? 18:45:26 yep 18:45:35 pls, ANYONE who doesn't believe mizmo and I are correct raise your hand 18:45:49 I'd go with 81 or 78... 18:46:09 msourada, oka, 81 78 75 18:46:09 * jsmith takes a quick look 18:46:11 anyone else? 18:46:13 can we talk about the amount of work for each too 18:46:14 take your time 18:46:16 Gimme one minute? 18:46:21 mizmo, can we give 5-10min? 18:46:24 75 does not have much work left to do 18:46:27 81/78 18:46:30 it would affect how i vote 18:46:31 if i knew 18:46:43 t2hot, do you have enough time to invest in the castle to iterate it for beta? 18:46:56 this is alpha right? 18:47:01 this is alpha yes 18:47:11 how many days to beta? 18:47:12 yeap 18:47:28 i believe you'll have 2-3 weeks to work on it for beta 18:47:54 Beta wallpapers deadline — Fri 2 September 2011 18:48:01 ^^from our schedule 18:48:04 yeah, I think a lot can happen in 2 weeks ...so yes 18:48:10 okay 18:48:17 how much work needs to be done on the castle 18:48:52 we haven't seen a revision in 2 weeks 18:48:55 look mizmo u dont have to buy a house t2hot can draw u a castle :D 18:48:57 I'm currently resizing (castle/island) so that its not taking too much space 18:49:02 i like 75 18:49:11 is it closer to the end, or is there still much work to do 18:49:27 gnokii, lol that would be wonderful 18:49:36 3D work is just work mizmo ... until you stop. Its just work 18:49:50 t2hot, yes but theres definitely discrete chunks right? 18:49:53 But if you're having fun ... you don't feel it 18:50:10 t2hot, like with 75. there are two tasks left to do: finish the rocks, and potentially add the shipwreck. 18:50:13 t2hot, lets take some quick maths 18:50:14 it doesn't need the shipwreck. 18:50:18 the minimum needed is the rock fix. 18:50:24 it would be roughly 2 hours of work. 18:50:33 i could work much longer on it, but thats what i think it needs. 18:50:46 castle/island will not be ready in 2hrs 18:51:00 anyone else want to vote? 18:51:03 we could take some shortcuts though 18:51:10 so going by time ... the underwater design is a fast route 18:51:12 how's the "ping all" thing? 18:51:13 eg we could enhance a render with 2D artwork 18:51:22 sure 18:51:23 it doesn't have to be all 3d 18:51:26 I vote 75 18:51:44 +1 for enhanced 3D castle ;-) 18:51:46 im not sure tatica :( 18:52:01 lol... zodbot doesn't like us 18:52:10 *2D enhanced .... 18:52:11 i vote 75 just because of time factors. i think the castle could be beautiful but i am worried about the risk. 18:52:31 * mizmo plays it safe 18:52:48 well, from my point of view I see that both will go in our iso 18:52:56 we only need to figure out which will be default 18:52:57 the risk it is not done untile release or the risk that most dont like it? 18:52:58 right? 18:53:05 well to me the castle looks more attractive and with better colouring as it is now... 18:53:14 Atleast for alpha...then decide when beta comes around. 18:53:15 if the iceberg one isn't picked for alpha im going to dro pit 18:53:35 Can we swap artwork at beta if the tables turn? 18:53:36 because i dont want to be stuck in another up-all-night-every-night-the-week-before-final again 18:53:45 is that permissible? 18:53:50 i need to know now if i need to work more on 75 t2hot 18:54:02 unless someone else wants to pick it up (which is 110% fine with me) 18:54:18 jsmith, any vote yet? 18:54:58 * t2hot is trying the read mizmo's mind 18:55:01 ixxvil, elad661 Emichan ianweller schendje 18:55:06 t2hot, of course if we are in a bind it'll have to happen. i just really do not want to be in that situation again. 18:55:10 hey what 18:55:12 it's not fair to me. 18:55:14 t2hot, that can be dangerous... you'll find mostly pandas 18:55:23 understand 18:55:27 mizmo, np, We understand :) 18:55:31 i hear drills 18:55:32 ianweller, vote... now!!! 18:55:40 * ianweller tries to find a link 18:55:40 and miss kitty :D 18:55:47 i think a wall is getting taken down here lol 18:55:51 http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/ 18:55:57 I want to see the end of the castle ... which ever way this goes anyway 18:55:58 ianweller, http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/ 18:55:58 hello panda - it's a type of cookie you know 18:56:09 tatica: what am i voting between? 18:56:23 ianweller: 81, 78, 75 18:56:25 ianweller, wallpaper o0 18:56:31 msourada: thx 18:56:45 t2hot, it could go either way for beta. if we pick one for alpha and change our mind based on feedback it's possible to switch 18:57:00 * ianweller waits for slow hotel wifi 18:57:03 mizmo, didn't knew that :P 18:57:04 i just dont want iceberg to come back up if it isn't picked now :) 18:57:09 tatica, sure why not 18:57:19 tatica, its up to you anyway 18:57:27 u_U 18:57:28 tatica, but i dont see why we couldn't. the splash artwork will be generic 18:57:30 * tatica gets a slap 18:57:32 but after beta it cant change 18:57:33 I see 18:57:36 lol 18:57:40 because websites, etc. 18:57:42 right? 18:57:49 maybe not 18:57:50 ignore me 18:57:51 75 18:57:53 lol 18:58:05 * gnokii brings in the dices 18:58:06 tatica: still need my opinion? 18:58:11 ok, waiting then for jsmith and ianweller votes 18:58:12 ianweller, yes 18:58:25 * jsmith is almost there... 18:58:25 ianweller, your price will be a cookie 18:58:32 * t2hot votes for PROGRESS! 18:58:34 a hello panda cookie 18:58:39 i like cookies 18:58:45 ianweller, then vote u_U 18:58:46 Ok, my vote (ranked from highest to lowest) is: 75, 78, 81 18:58:50 no vote, no cookie 18:58:51 tatica: in order, most favorable to least favorable, 75 81 78 18:58:56 http://kawaii.kawaii.at/img/Panda-double-chocolate-biscuits-meiji-1_big.jpg 18:58:58 jsmith, so 75 18:59:06 Yes, 75 is my preferred 18:59:09 hey folks. Sorry I'm late. Family emergency 18:59:15 is anyone want to vote, then 75 is 18:59:19 pcon, wanna vote? 18:59:20 no sweat pcon 18:59:34 tatica: what are we voting on. 'cause 1337 is my fav num > 100 18:59:39 lol 18:59:46 pcon, http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/ 18:59:58 what about 31337 pcon :) 19:00:07 that's just silly 19:00:22 l33t 19:01:08 pcon: these are the current voted-on options: 81, 78, 75 19:01:18 yeap 19:01:49 wait what? there's a meeting now? sry! :P 19:01:51 ok then 75, 81, 78 in that order 19:02:04 well... is done then 19:02:07 * tatica breaths 19:02:10 * Emichan scrolls back 19:02:17 Emichan, lol vote! 19:02:51 i'm looking - just one sec :) 19:03:15 as for supplemental wallpapers we've gotten 2 other entries, and I'll do one last blitz this week and I'll send a vote out to the mailing list next Wednesday (unless we want to do it via irc) 19:03:23 Emichan, go, take your time :D 19:04:07 tatica, my vote in order: 75, 81, 78 19:04:09 i won't delay the meeting any longer - 75 get's my vote :) 19:04:13 sounds great pcon 19:04:42 pcon, you can do an informal poll public (mail or whatever) to have an idea of what "people like" 19:04:50 and then bring final decition to meeting 19:04:56 75 wins then ... so mizmo your call :) 19:04:59 mizmo, has anyone else worked on 75 besides you (needed for proper attribution)? 19:05:08 yes ixxvil and HaKs did 19:05:11 me 19:05:12 :D 19:05:19 it was a team effort 19:05:23 :D 19:05:32 * tatica even help at begining, so can join forces 19:05:51 its true. tatica do you want to be listed on the package too? 19:05:59 o0 no no 19:06:02 I will only help 19:06:04 okay 19:06:06 I did nothing lol 19:06:15 you helped HakS get started with the group though 19:06:18 it's based on his submission 19:06:24 mizmo: (when we're done with wallpapers i have a quick note on brand + trademark guidelines) 19:06:26 ok, attributing mizmo, ixxvil, HaKs, tatica. Sounds right? 19:06:43 mizmo, :P everything was for a coffee.. right HakS ? :P 19:06:50 it sounds good to me msourada, go for it 19:06:52 ianweller, sure 19:07:14 tatica: msourada so the only thing is that we've got 15 to pick and getting a feel for what people like might not narrow it down enough 19:07:21 ok, next thing: is there anyone present here who could do a package review in about half an hour? 19:07:25 mizmo, even so, I will need a background as at 80 for general purposes 19:07:26 msourada: yes 19:07:30 separated elements 19:07:38 * tatica is sure that mizmo made it using layers 19:07:39 msourada: ping me on irc and i'll churn it out 19:07:49 msourada: it's just a wallpaper package, right? 19:08:00 tatica, you mean 75? 19:08:06 yeap 19:08:07 ianweller, thanks. Now going off to finish the wallpaper package. 19:08:12 tatica, sure i can upload the .ora file, it's layered, you can open in mypaint or gimp 19:08:12 msourada: :) 19:08:18 mizmo, awesome! 19:08:24 weekend homework :P 19:08:29 msourada, question 19:08:41 msourada, now what? we should do some banners to promote it? 19:10:00 tatica: basically, after I build the package I need at least three people to test it and give positive karma (logged in bodhi). 19:10:26 oki 19:10:38 i can karma 19:10:57 me too :) 19:10:59 tatica: the pacakge should be prepared tomorrow (unless stalled on adding to git) and we need karma at monday the latest (so that it gets pushed at tuesday the latest) 19:11:13 let's go for the world record in newpackage time 19:11:16 ;) 19:11:25 thanks for packaging msourada 19:11:31 msourada, perfect! 19:11:32 :) 19:11:57 since we're running over a bit should we move on to brand & trademark guidelines then 19:12:04 hiya 19:12:13 +1 19:12:47 just wanted to make a quick note of what's been happening, pchestek and i met in person yesterday to talk about expanding the trademark guidelines to include guidelines for the rest of our trademarks, which include the foundations, fudcon and fill-in-the-blank fedora logos 19:13:15 * t2hot 's internet stops in 48mins 19:13:33 i'll be posting the notes we came up with for potential use cases for all of those after i flesh them out a bit to design-team and advisory-board, and pchestek will be working on a draft of the trademark guidelines that integrates everything on a user subpage on the wiki 19:13:40 okay cool 19:14:04 that's all i have. we just want to make sure we have everybody's feedback on the use cases 19:14:16 nice! 19:14:36 cool 19:14:44 anything else or should we close meeting? 19:14:53 yes 19:15:02 we have 3 Fudcon's near 19:15:19 so after wallpaper process is done, pls join any of them and give some feedback or help 19:15:28 in order: Milan, Pune and Blacksburg 19:15:31 also, a final message 19:15:53 pls pls pls... if ANY team ask you personally to help with a design task, open a ticket and/or a mail thread and let the team be part of it 19:16:07 a group work can help a lot more than a single effort 19:16:13 eof 19:16:15 having archives is handy too :) 19:16:25 if you have the discussion on the list you can go back and see what you talked about easily 19:16:27 its harder in email 19:16:30 yeap, be clear and open :P 19:16:42 :D 19:17:20 has someone a idea for a logo blacksburg? 19:17:51 maybe a hokie turkey? 19:17:59 not yet :\ there is a thread with some helpful info 19:18:08 tatica, is the thread on design-team or ambassadors? 19:18:09 hokie turkey? 19:18:12