17:07:07 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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17:07:13 <mizmo> #topic ticket review
17:07:21 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:07:43 <mizmo> its been assigned to gserma for 5 weeks with no update
17:07:51 <mizmo> i think our policy is to give 2 weeks?
17:08:08 <Sadin> i believe that was what was decided
17:08:19 <mizmo> okay im gonna unset assigned and make a note
17:09:14 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:09:16 <Sadin> mizmo: as a sidenote, the link in the desc of #279 is dead.
17:09:22 <Sadin> pingou: ^
17:09:24 <mizmo> so if anybody here is looking for a ticket to work on, this is one you could do
17:09:53 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:10:11 <pingou> thisweekinfedora.org
17:10:26 <stickster> pingou: Thanks, I just looked that up and am editing the ticket :-)
17:10:39 <twohot> hello? Meeting started?
17:10:47 <Sadin> twohot: yup
17:10:48 <mizmo> is anybody here looking for a ticket to work on?
17:10:50 <mizmo> this looks like a good one
17:10:51 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- pfrields updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:10:56 <stickster> done
17:11:00 <stickster> oh, thanks fedmsg :-)
17:11:55 <Sadin> mizmo: ill give 279 a shot
17:12:02 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- pingou updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:12:07 <mizmo> Sadin, okay great!
17:12:17 <mizmo> next we have: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350
17:12:22 <Sadin> mizmo: its a website retheme so thats right up my ally
17:12:39 <Sadin> cant type today
17:13:13 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:13:21 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350  this we just need to triage
17:13:38 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- sadin updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
17:13:52 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350
17:14:11 <mizmo> there was some info needed there so i filled it in and marked as triaged
17:14:17 <mizmo> if anybody is looking for a ticket to take on 350 is good too
17:14:30 <jurank_dankkal> mizmo, I think I'll gonna take the 350
17:14:54 <mizmo> jurank_dankkal, okay cool. lemme add the link to the current abnenrs to it so you can see the dimensions
17:15:02 <jurank_dankkal> oke cool..
17:15:59 <Emichan> mizmo, link to the other templates too
17:16:27 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- jurankdankkal updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350
17:16:29 <mizmo> its logo stuff so i dont have a link
17:16:46 <twohot> mizmo: I'd like to take on #350
17:17:01 <mizmo> twohot, jurank_dankkal just took it but there's plenty more :)
17:17:47 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350
17:17:48 <twohot> two or more people can't collab on a ticket :)
17:18:02 <twohot> I'd really like to see how that develops
17:18:51 <mizmo> okay i just uplaoded a bunch of banners to 350
17:19:05 <mizmo> next we have https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355
17:19:12 <mizmo> Request: F22 featured images for the Magazine
17:19:19 <mizmo> "Could we get some updated generic F22 imagery for the magazine? I was thinking a simple "F22" along with one for each product. "
17:19:26 <mizmo> so this ticket needs stuff like dimensions
17:19:39 <jurank_dankkal> twohot, yeah maybe we can collab to do that 350
17:19:41 <mizmo> there's a github repo in the fedora design github team
17:19:48 <mizmo> that has fedora magazine stuff
17:19:51 <mizmo> so this ticket should reference that too
17:20:03 <twohot> jurank_dankkal: put me on CC
17:20:52 <mizmo> here we go https://github.com/fedoradesign/fedoramagazine-images
17:21:54 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355
17:22:40 <mizmo> okay so if anybody is looking for a ticket to grab - https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355 is ready to go
17:22:47 <mizmo> ^^ Request: F22 featured images for the Magazine
17:22:55 <mizmo> okay 2 more untriaged ones to work through
17:23:04 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/356
17:23:08 <mizmo> Request: Test day image
17:23:17 <mizmo> this is another fedora mag one so i'll just copy/paste the same stuff i put in the last one
17:23:32 <mleonova> what does it mean 'along with one for each product' in 355?
17:23:33 <gnokii> sorry for beeing late
17:23:46 <mizmo> it's okay
17:24:01 <mizmo> mleonova, ooh i should make that clearer. should be for Fedora Workstation, Fedora Server, Fedora Cloud (the 3 products)
17:24:09 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/356
17:26:14 <mizmo> mleonova, here they are http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/06/24/fedora-next-branding-update/
17:26:55 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355
17:27:17 <mizmo> okay down to one untriaged ticket https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/357
17:27:24 <mizmo> 1/4 page ad for LinuxFest NorthWest
17:27:58 <mizmo> the one we used last year is here: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/325
17:28:33 <gnokii> 1/4 letter or A4
17:28:39 <mizmo> us letter i'm sure
17:28:50 <mizmo> it's a US event, very difficult to find A4 here
17:29:34 <mizmo> Ad size 2.3" width x 3.7" height
17:30:17 <mizmo> anyone interested in designing this conference program ad for Fedora?
17:30:34 <gnokii> 325?
17:31:18 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/357
17:31:39 <mizmo> 357 - https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/357
17:31:47 <mizmo> 325 is from last year gnokii  :) but the specs / dimensions are the same
17:31:53 <mizmo> they want it updated to have a music theme
17:32:29 <gnokii> ok
17:32:33 <mleonova> when's the deadline?
17:32:49 <gnokii> 1st april
17:33:42 <mleonova> gnokii, right! thanks)
17:35:08 <mizmo> okay so that was all the untriaged tickets
17:35:16 <mizmo> do we want to keep talking tickets or should we talk about something else
17:35:39 <gnokii> is there something to talk abut tickets?
17:35:46 <mleonova> i would like to try that 325, if it's okay?
17:35:54 <gnokii> 357
17:36:05 <mizmo> mleonova, take 357 - feel welcome to :) 325 is the old version of it from last year
17:36:20 <mleonova> gnokii, right! =)
17:36:25 <mizmo> we have 3 tickets needing a response
17:36:37 <mizmo> and 3 tickets that are stalled (waiting on reporter > 2 weeks)
17:36:40 <mizmo> er > 4 weeks
17:37:12 <mizmo> i think maybe the > 4 weeks ones need attention
17:37:47 <mleonova> btw the flickr link in 357 doesn't work
17:38:23 <gnokii> which is the 4 weeks one
17:38:42 * stickster hopes those queries are useful as-is... if not, I could look at fixing.
17:38:54 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/357
17:39:15 * ryanlerch is here -- sorry
17:39:23 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/297  no activity in 4 weeks
17:39:34 <mizmo> we are waiting for the reporter to provide more info
17:39:50 <mizmo> what do we do in this case, ask for the info, close the ticket, and tell them to reopen when they provide it?
17:40:14 <gnokii> we close it then zoltan will wake up
17:40:15 <ryanlerch> mizmo, IMHO, that is the best way to go
17:40:23 <mizmo> ok cool
17:40:32 <jurank_dankkal> mizmo, may I know where I can get the fedora.next logo source?
17:41:28 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'insufficient_data' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/297
17:41:33 <mizmo> jurank_dankkal, email me or ryan
17:41:44 <mizmo> okay i closed 297
17:41:57 <mizmo> next one > 4 weeks inactivity is https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/332
17:42:01 <mizmo> Request for input for ARM sticker design
17:42:02 <jurank_dankkal> okay mizmo
17:42:30 <gnokii> lets close it it was fr flock anyway
17:42:38 <ryanlerch> mizmo, i'd say close -- the desc says it was for flock last aug
17:42:41 <Emichan> mizmo, should we just automatically close tix waiting on reporter > 4wks?
17:42:49 <Emichan> instead of going through them individually
17:43:00 <ryanlerch> Emichan, i don't think we have the tech
17:43:01 <mizmo> Emichan, sometimes its not clear if its waiting on reporter or designer
17:43:07 <mizmo> if its designer then we have to reopen it
17:43:08 <ryanlerch> also, there isnt that many
17:43:18 <mizmo> im going to close 332
17:44:14 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'insufficient_data' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/332
17:44:26 <mizmo> okay last > 4 weeks inactive ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/353
17:44:30 <mizmo> Required Flyers FudCon 2015 CFP
17:44:42 <mizmo> " We are almost ready to announce CFP.  /  To get reach wider audience and get qualified speaker we need attractive flyers. We can ask few organizations, college to post on notice boards. "
17:45:39 * finalzone is here
17:45:43 <mizmo> hum this ticket looks active
17:45:50 <gnokii> well indians should propably learn to make one step after anther
17:45:56 <jurank_dankkal> I already doing some design for the 353
17:45:56 * stickster notes... to keep that ticket query useful, use the "blockedby" field to indicate the person blocking. If it's on that query, then the reporter is in that field
17:45:58 <mizmo> stickster, so we have an issue with one of the reports
17:46:02 <gnokii> first logo then we talk about flyer
17:46:17 <stickster> So team members should remove the reporter's name if they pick up the ticket and see that someone *else* is blocking
17:46:23 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/353
17:46:24 <mizmo> okay
17:46:32 <stickster> Is it 353 that's the issue?
17:46:56 <mizmo> jurank_dankkal, it looks like shatadru owns the ticket - are you working with him on it?
17:46:58 <mizmo> stickster, yeh
17:47:02 <zodbot> Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #332 (Request for input for ARM sticker design) closed <https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/332#comment:8> || Ticket #297 (Icons needed for Fedora Web Apps for inclusion as web apps in GNOME ...) closed <https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/297#comment:8>
17:47:09 <mizmo> stickster, i cleared the blocked by on it
17:47:13 <mizmo> so it should be okay now
17:47:17 <stickster> mizmo: cool!
17:47:26 <stickster> It should disappear from the report now
17:47:50 * stickster agrees it's worth looking quickly at these before just mass-closing, since you never know if someone just forgot to do that small thing
17:47:56 <mizmo> does anybody have any ticket work they've been working on that they'd like a critique or review of?
17:47:56 <jurank_dankkal> mizmo, I didn't contact him yet, just give another idea for the design, maybe after this we can collar for the flyers
17:47:58 <mizmo> anybody need help?
17:48:01 <ryanlerch> threebean, anyway to turn off zodbot ticket notifications now we have the fedmsg-design ones?
17:48:08 <threebean> sure
17:48:14 <threebean> except we entered infrastructure freeze
17:48:16 <ryanlerch> threebean, hld that til end of meeting!
17:48:17 <threebean> about... two minutes ago.
17:48:18 <ryanlerch> sorry
17:48:24 <stickster> ha
17:48:26 <ryanlerch> my fault
17:48:28 <threebean> :P
17:48:29 <gnokii> ryanlerch: the way around
17:48:54 <threebean> ryanlerch: I'll file a ticket to take care of it when we thaw out
17:49:38 * stickster has to run afk but ping if more help needed with Trac or whatever, I'm here for you guys :-)
17:49:47 <jurank_dankkal> mizmo, please for the 353 ticket :)
17:50:11 <mizmo> okay cool
17:50:22 <mizmo> #topic critique/review of ticket 353 (fudcon pune flyer design)
17:50:23 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.new -- ralph opened a new ticket on the Fedora Infrastructure trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4676
17:50:26 <mizmo> here's the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/353
17:51:07 <mizmo> okay so we have this esign by shatadru: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/raw-attachment/ticket/353/353_2.png
17:51:25 <mizmo> and he astutely noted that the CFP text is way too dense for the flyer, and that more concise text is needed
17:51:31 <mizmo> (maybe this is why he left pravins in the blocked by field)
17:51:35 <gnokii> blue on blue
17:52:01 <mizmo> these are the mockups jurank_dankkal came up with:
17:52:01 <mizmo> https://jurankdankkal.fedorapeople.org/FUDCon/FUDConPune2015/final/flyer/
17:52:10 <mizmo> this is the first one:
17:52:11 <mizmo> https://jurankdankkal.fedorapeople.org/FUDCon/FUDConPune2015/final/flyer/flyer1.png
17:52:27 <mizmo> on this one i have a few points of feedback:
17:52:36 <mizmo> - the orange and green are really bright and will probably be out of gamut for printers
17:52:47 <gnokii> ++
17:52:53 <mizmo> - when you look at a flyer like this, there are a few points of information that should stand out right away. since it's a CFP
17:53:17 <mizmo> - the deadline, event name, and the types of proposals they are looking for are the most important htings i think
17:53:17 <gnokii> the green has to be spot color you definitely gets that otherwise printed
17:53:22 <mizmo> but when i stare at this flyer all i see are bright green and orange, they take a lot of attention away
17:53:40 <mizmo> i think it's a cool technique to take the fedora triangles and make them an indian flag but i think it's too loud for this application
17:54:05 <mizmo> i think the ticket requestor needs to provide better copy for the flyer
17:54:05 <gnokii> just replace that with our green and orange
17:54:16 <mizmo> i would even drop the flag colors
17:54:24 <mizmo> or maybe fade it out, 50% transparency or something
17:54:39 <finalzone> fade out seems a better option
17:54:50 <mizmo> yeh it seems like a lot of visual noise otherwise
17:54:57 <mizmo> this flyer doesn't have a call to action either
17:55:07 <mleonova> is it on purpose that some triangles have spaces in between?
17:55:10 <mizmo> like if you want to get people to submit talks, have a big headline like, "We need your talks!"
17:55:28 <mizmo> or "Propose your talk today!"
17:55:33 <mizmo> some kind of call to action
17:55:49 <mizmo> okay jurank_dankkal 's second design is here:
17:55:50 <mizmo> https://jurankdankkal.fedorapeople.org/FUDCon/FUDConPune2015/final/flyer/flyer2.png
17:55:56 <mizmo> i like this one much better because the focus is more on the content
17:56:07 <jurank_dankkal> yeah I also feel that way, just trying to do fedora triangle with indian flag, but it's hard to put the content n combine the color
17:56:40 <mizmo> i like the design in the backgroudn too - you got the orange and green in there but it's not as loud. the only thing is it interacts a lot with the fudcon pune logo, i'd consider separating them (or again, the old trick of 50% opacity the wheel in the back)
17:56:54 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- ralph updated a ticket on the Fedora Infrastructure trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4676
17:57:04 <mizmo> the information is presented great here too, we're just missing a list of talk topics
17:57:11 <mizmo> which the reporter didn't provide
17:57:32 <mizmo> i think maybe the white outlines on the fudcon logo are too extreme too
17:57:41 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- kevin closed a ticket on the Fedora Infrastructure trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4676
17:58:04 <mizmo> it looks off to me, i'm not sure why though
17:58:06 <ryanlerch> also, if it is for printing out (on a lazer or inkjet), having a olid color on the BG is not
17:58:20 <ryanlerch> going to look that good
17:58:27 <mizmo> yeh it'll have lines
17:58:41 <ryanlerch> and heavy on the ink for people printing it out
17:58:44 <mizmo> are people going to know what fudcon is? that it's for fedora?
17:58:51 <mizmo> it should maybe point out it's the Fedora conference
17:58:58 <mizmo> here's what i'd suggest -
17:59:00 <finalzone> thin white line for the fudcon logo?
17:59:21 <mizmo> - we'll set the ticket to block on pravins and ask him for solid copy for the flyer, suggesting that he provide a list of topics for people to propose talks about
17:59:54 <mizmo> - jurank_dankkal, i would contact shatadru since it's his ticket and coordinate with him based on the feedback we gave you today - i'd suggest designing on a white bg too
17:59:58 <gnokii> makes no sense anymore
18:00:03 <mizmo> does that seem like a reasonable plan?
18:00:14 <gnokii> deadline 6th march thats next week
18:00:49 <jurank_dankkal> yeah sure mizmo , thanks for the feedbacks guys..
18:01:09 <mizmo> cool hope it helps!
18:01:14 <jurank_dankkal> i think maybe the white outlines on the fudcon logo are too extreme too >> do you mean the strokes on the logo?
18:01:33 <mizmo> jurank_dankkal, yeh the strokes on the logo, they don't look right, i think they need to be thicker
18:01:47 <mizmo> they make some artifacts like a little diamond between the 4 logomark pieces
18:04:26 <jurank_dankkal> okay, so I'll make it more thicker and also ticket 352 need to be changed too..
18:05:36 <sgallagh> mizmo: Could we schedule some time at some point to discuss the advertising banners at the bottom of Anaconda? It would be nice to advertise Cockpit there, particularly so we could note the port to find it on. That would help it be more discoverable.
18:06:25 <mizmo> sgallagh, just open a ticket and give the details - if you can come up with a draft of the text for the banner that would be perfect
18:07:29 <sgallagh> mizmo: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ?
18:07:38 <mizmo> sgallagh, u got it
18:07:51 <sgallagh> Thanks
18:08:00 <mizmo> we're at an hour now folks and i have another meeting im in, but we can still stick aroudn and talk if you want
18:08:09 <mizmo> i'm going to turn off the meetbot though unless there's any objections
18:08:16 <mizmo> thank you everyone for coming
18:08:20 <mizmo> i think this was really productive
18:08:43 <gnokii> just one thing
18:09:04 <mizmo> sure
18:09:25 <gnokii> I opened supplemental wallpaper cntest yesterday
18:09:40 <mizmo> oh ok great!
18:09:47 <gnokii> its very short this time only until 19th march
18:10:17 <gnokii> s bring your pics
18:10:34 <mizmo> cool i will put it in the topic too
18:11:27 <gnokii> fine thats all
18:12:13 <mizmo> sweet, thanks everybody
18:12:16 <mizmo> we'll meet again in 2 weeks!
18:12:20 <mizmo> #endmeeting