16:02:24 <mizmo> #startmeeting
16:02:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun  2 16:02:24 2015 UTC.  The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:02:29 <mizmo> #topic roll call
16:02:31 <mizmo> who's here :)
16:02:33 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
16:02:33 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
16:02:38 <mleonova> hi!
16:02:46 <kirkB> Here!
16:03:09 <finalzone_laptop> present
16:03:21 <mrichard> here
16:03:32 <mizmo> okay cool
16:03:33 <riecatnor> hi everyone
16:03:36 <mizmo> we got a good crowd today :)
16:03:48 <mizmo> i want to introduce you to meghan, she is mrichard
16:03:55 <mizmo> she is my intern who just started a couple of weeks ago
16:04:03 <pgpattison> hi meghan!
16:04:09 <mizmo> she's been working on UX design for fedora hubs
16:04:16 <riecatnor> hiya mrichard!!
16:04:20 <mizmo> you might have noticed her first blog post on planet last week or so with some of her design work
16:04:23 <finalzone_laptop> hello mrichard
16:04:26 <mrichard> hi everyone!
16:04:32 <mleonova> Hello! =)
16:04:53 <mizmo> mleonova is also going to be interning with me :) she starts july 1!
16:05:15 <finalzone_laptop> hello mleonova
16:05:16 <mizmo> mleonova is going to be working on graphic/visual design for fedora
16:05:48 <mleonova> yeah, it's awesome!
16:05:49 <Sadin> here
16:06:02 <mizmo> okay so let's dive into the tickets :)
16:06:03 <finalzone_laptop> looking forward the progress of your work both mrichard and mleonova =
16:06:19 <mizmo> #topic stalled tickets (waiting on reporter >= 4 weeks)
16:06:26 <mizmo> we just have one here
16:06:30 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355
16:06:31 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355"
16:06:39 <mizmo> Request: F22 featured images for the Magazine
16:07:13 <mizmo> gnokii, do you know what's going on with this one?
16:07:26 <mizmo> do the other fedora editions need to be exported from the SVG?
16:07:39 <gnokii> yeah they use mine so can be closed
16:08:01 <mizmo> oh okay cool
16:08:03 * mizmo closes ticket
16:08:53 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355
16:08:59 <mizmo> okay
16:09:03 <mizmo> #topic aging tickets >= 2 weeks
16:09:10 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/363
16:09:11 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/363"
16:09:14 <mizmo> Mockup request for new spins.fpo and labs.fpo websites
16:09:19 <mizmo> heh
16:09:23 <mizmo> this one is one like a bun, going to close it
16:09:34 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/363
16:09:39 <mizmo> er done like a bun even
16:09:51 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199
16:09:52 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199"
16:09:54 <mizmo> Interface and Usability refresh for ask.fedoraproject.org
16:10:09 <mizmo> okay so we do have a GSoC student working on this because I have seen their planet posts
16:10:15 <mizmo> maybe what we should do is assign the ticket to that student?
16:10:22 <gnokii> thts a gsoc project
16:11:14 <mizmo> okay lemme see if she has a FAS account
16:11:28 <mizmo> her name is Anuradha Welivita
16:12:12 <mizmo> anuradhaw
16:12:17 <mizmo> okay ill assign to her and see what she wants to do
16:12:33 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199
16:13:08 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210
16:13:10 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210"
16:13:12 <mizmo> Update fedoracommunity maps with Russia in EMEA (not APAC)
16:13:22 <mizmo> i think this is the last ticket bronwyn worked on before her internship ended
16:13:33 <mizmo> so this one i think we are waiting on the reporter
16:14:58 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210
16:15:01 <mizmo> i put the reporter on as the blocker
16:15:05 <mizmo> and asked for feedback
16:15:12 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/358
16:15:14 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/358"
16:15:17 <mizmo> Create Artwork for Cockpit banner to display in Anaconda GUI
16:15:33 <mizmo> this one looks finished to me?
16:15:37 <mizmo> ill close it
16:15:55 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/358
16:16:06 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360
16:16:06 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360"
16:16:09 <mizmo> Fedora LiveUSB Creator artwork
16:17:24 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360
16:17:25 <mizmo> im going to give him the official png and ask for a screenshot
16:18:08 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366
16:18:08 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360
16:18:09 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366"
16:18:10 <mizmo> this ticket is
16:18:27 <mizmo> "mo is busy and lazy and there's been no progress because of that"
16:18:28 <mizmo> :)
16:18:36 <mizmo> does anybody want to take a stab at it?
16:19:00 <mizmo> it would involve expanding this page to include info for the three edition logos (Server, workstation, cloud) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines
16:19:18 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366
16:19:44 <kirkB> Hmm, if I am done with the other wiki page I could take a stab.
16:19:55 <mizmo> that would be great kirkB :)
16:19:55 <gnokii> #366?
16:20:02 <kirkB> But would want to be bothering you a lot to make sure the content is right - or is there a sandbox?
16:20:15 <mizmo> gnokii, yeh
16:20:37 <mizmo> kirkB, you'd probably have to copy/pasta a sandbox together
16:20:45 <kirkB> Oh yeah, good idea
16:20:53 <mizmo> wheni did that usage guidelines page redo last time i copy/pastaed it to a sandbox under my User:duffy page
16:20:56 <gnokii> mizmo: its already my responsebility and i decided to wait on jimmacs work to look them consistent
16:20:59 <mizmo> so legal could look over it
16:21:04 <mizmo> gnokii, jimmac's work on what?
16:21:28 <gnokii> he does an icon for such an usb creator
16:21:31 <mizmo> ohhhhh
16:21:43 <mizmo> gnokii, that's 360 not 366
16:22:16 <mizmo> what mbriza said 3 weeks ago is that he is just using the fedora logo mark
16:22:21 <mizmo> i dont think using separate logos makes sesnse
16:23:31 <gnokii> ok
16:23:59 <mizmo> next ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374
16:24:05 <mizmo> UX feedback on fedmenu
16:24:13 <mizmo> we talked about this at length i think a meeting or two ago
16:24:29 <mizmo> i think i was supposed to copy/pasta the discussion into the ticket and ran out of time
16:25:00 <mizmo> but iirc we concluded that when we get cranking on fedora-hubs this is going to need a redesign anyway
16:25:30 <kirkB> I also see this deployed on sites already
16:25:43 <mizmo> yeh
16:26:18 <gnokii> I like the feature
16:26:32 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- kirkb updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366
16:26:47 <mizmo> we dont have an owner for the ticket
16:26:53 <mizmo> does anybody want to take  it?
16:27:36 <finalzone> for ticket 366?
16:27:38 <gnokii> can we do this long term?
16:27:47 <mizmo> finalzone, 374
16:27:52 <kirkB> I'd love to see some usability testing done, to be honest
16:27:53 <gnokii> its the right topic for flick - design clinic
16:27:54 <mizmo> gnokii, yeh i think that is the best approach
16:28:00 <mizmo> gnokii, oh you're right
16:28:06 <gnokii> flock not flick
16:28:19 <mizmo> ill put that on the ticket
16:29:13 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374
16:29:46 <mizmo> #topic tickets needing a response
16:29:49 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- anuradhaw updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199
16:29:59 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355  <= we just closed this one
16:30:01 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/355  <= we just closed this one"
16:30:04 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367
16:30:04 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367"
16:30:09 <mizmo> Need logo design for the Fedora Security Team(FST)
16:30:26 <gnokii> that should be fine I thought
16:30:37 <suchakra> did I reach in middle of the meeting?
16:30:49 <gnokii> yes
16:30:58 <mizmo> looks like yogi needs to update this one
16:31:10 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367
16:31:11 <mizmo> ill email him
16:31:51 <mizmo> okay next is the fun bucket of tickets
16:31:53 <mizmo> untriaged :)
16:32:01 <mizmo> if you are looking for smoething to work on here is where to pay attention :)
16:32:04 <mizmo> #topic untriaged tickets
16:32:08 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=!~triaged&report=9&order=priority
16:32:12 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=!~triaged&report=9&order=priority"
16:32:25 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/372  f22 media art - pretty sure this is done an needs to be closed
16:32:25 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/372  f22 media art - pretty sure this is done an needs to be closed"
16:32:51 <gnokii> looks strange
16:33:32 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/372
16:33:38 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/376
16:33:40 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/376"
16:33:42 <mizmo> T-Shirt design for FUDCon APAC 2015
16:33:57 <mizmo> suchakra, looks like you are actively working on this one
16:34:00 <suchakra> This is almost done
16:34:16 <mizmo> im going to add the triaged keyword to it so it doesn't show up in the untriaged list
16:34:22 <suchakra> I could do more variations, but organizers wanted simpler design
16:34:22 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/376
16:34:58 <mizmo> suchakra, are they going to be able to print that many colors silkscreen or is a diff process being used?
16:35:02 <gnokii> suchakra: we warned about that as the "logo" was done
16:35:19 <suchakra> I will scale the colors down
16:35:33 <suchakra> it's screen only
16:35:40 <suchakra> I reduces 2 colors
16:35:40 <mizmo> ah ok
16:35:48 <gnokii> mizmo: they dont know which printing method they will use they have no idea about that thats the problem
16:36:03 <mizmo> gnokii, its okay though suchakra has exp doing tshirt/silkscreen designs
16:36:13 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369
16:36:14 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369"
16:36:15 <suchakra> I will probably change the blue a bit
16:36:16 <gnokii> sure we all have
16:36:17 <mizmo> T-shirt design for Flock 2015
16:36:27 <mizmo> riecatnor, omg looks amazing!!
16:36:33 <gnokii> yes
16:36:37 <riecatnor> :)
16:36:54 <riecatnor> which one do you guys prefer
16:37:00 <gnokii> but maybe riecatnor has time to do a version of the lighthouse to
16:37:21 <riecatnor> I can, but it is not a very well known landmark around here
16:37:24 <riecatnor> it is known
16:37:29 <mizmo> i like the first one but i wonder if this is too many colors
16:37:33 <kirkB> I like the second more, the details on the buildings lose the bridge and make it pretty busy
16:37:45 <suchakra> riecatnor: I like the tee :)
16:37:50 <kirkB> I mean the details on the first one, hence my liking the second
16:38:10 <mizmo> im assuming the dark blue is a punch thru to the shirt fabric, so there's two lighter blues, two grays, white, two greens so it's 6 colors (with the white udnerlay)
16:38:13 <suchakra> The second one is better
16:38:24 <mizmo> i dont think ive ever done more than 4 colors
16:38:26 <riecatnor> gotcha.. I was thinking that too about the first one. I want to try simplfying details on the bulding
16:38:32 <riecatnor> ok, I will also cut back on colors
16:38:50 <mizmo> i like the design of the first one better, but i think the second one will silkscreen better - less fine detail to gum up the screen i think
16:38:52 <gnokii> riecatnor: its not about who knows it locally, I think not one german knows how skyline of Rochester looks either
16:39:07 <riecatnor> gnokii: :P you are right
16:39:10 <mizmo> i remember once we did a tag cloud with like 4 pt fonts and the screens got gummed up and the print came out blotchy
16:39:34 <riecatnor> ok.. well I am open to suggestions for the second one
16:39:39 <suchakra> riecatnor: is there a gradient in the inner-green on trees?
16:39:42 <gnokii> but if we take the light house and go there for wallpaper hunt it will show up in Fedora release
16:39:50 <riecatnor> no gradient in the trees suchakra
16:39:55 <suchakra> ok
16:39:57 <mizmo> riecatnor, i feel like you could work the first vesrion of the buildings to work without usingmore than 2 colors - white for the bright parts, and a gray for windows and shade
16:40:06 <suchakra> riecatnor: probably my lcd tricks me :)
16:40:22 <mizmo> could maybe use the same gray to outline the trees and water
16:40:31 <riecatnor> ok cool
16:40:31 <mizmo> i love how you used the dark blue to edge them with shadows too
16:40:35 <mizmo> very clever
16:40:52 <suchakra> mizmo: exactly what i was gonna say :)
16:40:59 <suchakra> this gives me ideas now
16:41:01 <mizmo> i think i like the fedora logomark (2nd one)  better than the logotype but i kind of want the ribbon to be straight (like the fedora magazine logo)
16:41:12 <mizmo> maybe a bit bigger too
16:41:19 <riecatnor> I was thinking it looked too similar
16:41:23 <mizmo> maybe istead of a ribbon a circular little badge on the circle or something
16:41:26 <riecatnor> to the fedora magazine logo
16:41:41 <riecatnor> yeah, that might be nice
16:41:59 <mizmo> im putting the traiged keyword on this ticket btw
16:42:12 <mizmo> but im glad it came up cuz it's awesome :)
16:42:18 <riecatnor> ok thanks mizmo :D
16:42:24 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/370
16:42:24 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/370"
16:42:30 <mizmo> Poster required for FUDCon APAC 2015
16:42:38 <mizmo> ugh this one lol
16:42:46 <gnokii> yeah
16:42:56 <gnokii> I am done with
16:43:05 <mizmo> it looks like it came out great to me
16:43:31 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/370
16:43:33 <mizmo> im going to add triaged to it
16:43:41 <mizmo> i think they seem like they're close to done but i wont close it yet
16:43:50 <mizmo> next one
16:43:51 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371
16:43:55 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371"
16:43:56 <mizmo> Fedora security / CVE appreciation sticker
16:44:18 <mizmo> mleonova, https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/371/23%205%20sticker%20371%20upl.png  the one on the left looks perfect
16:44:27 <mizmo> i think the hammer is a lot more clear in that one, that it's whack a mole
16:44:29 <mleonova> awesome)
16:44:58 <mleonova> yeah, I changed a bit as we discussed
16:45:10 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371
16:45:16 <mizmo> im asking sparks for feedback and setting the ticket to block on him
16:45:23 <mizmo> great work :)
16:45:28 <mleonova> thank you)
16:45:38 <mizmo> okay just one more ticket
16:45:39 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/378
16:45:43 <mizmo> Standee design required for FUDCon APAC 2015
16:45:43 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/378"
16:46:06 <mizmo> looks like ryan's got this one
16:46:34 <mizmo> im going to add the triaged keyword to it
16:46:41 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/378
16:47:02 <mizmo> #topic open floor
16:47:08 <gnokii> !
16:47:11 <mizmo> we actually have some time this week after tickets :)
16:47:15 <mizmo> whats up gnokii
16:47:23 <gnokii> I have 3 points
16:47:27 <suchakra> Want me to update on GSoC student on Ask Fedora?
16:47:38 * suchakra will do it probably later after gnokii
16:47:43 <gnokii> 1. flock design clinic is accepted so means all of us
16:47:45 <mizmo> suchakra, that would be great (yes after gnokii's turn)
16:48:05 <gnokii> 2. want a brainstorming for f23
16:48:20 <gnokii> 3. the mail of akur with his flyer
16:48:49 <mizmo> i think we got a lot of design talks accepted :)
16:48:57 <mizmo> im glad the design clinic went thru
16:49:07 <riecatnor> fedora badges workshop was accepted
16:49:12 <mizmo> as many of us are at flock, i hope we don't get double booked so we can all make the design clinic
16:49:15 <mizmo> \o/
16:49:29 <gnokii> yes Ryan is doin Gimp if he des eg sky replacement would fit absolut to wallpaper hunt
16:49:33 <mizmo> i had an inkscape bootcamp, fedora hubs preso with robyduck, and a design thinking talks all accpeted as well as the design clinic
16:50:02 <mizmo> should we do a separate meeting session for f23 brainstorm?
16:50:14 <mizmo> we usually have so many tickets there isnt time during this meeting
16:51:02 <finalzone> I'm for a seperate meeting sesion for f23
16:51:07 <gnokii> mizmo: yes I think so, I mean I have one idea
16:51:35 <mizmo> gnokii, would you be willing to set up the meeting?
16:51:44 * Sadin isnt sure if he is set to goto flock
16:51:55 <gnokii> how would be next tuesday same time as our regular meeting?
16:51:59 <mizmo> Sadin, did you request funding?
16:52:29 <mizmo> gnokii, i can hopefully do that although i might have a dentist appt that makes me late (i had to move it bc of the rh summit)
16:52:42 <mizmo> would be 5-10 min late
16:52:45 * gnokii what me worries where US emigratin already knows that I want to come to US in Auust
16:52:48 <Sadin> it says no on the register.flocktofedora for me but I swore i did so...
16:53:05 <Sadin> also im operating on huge delay running off a bar of 3g :/
16:53:11 <gnokii> mizmo: so what date would be fine?
16:53:16 <mizmo> Sadin, i would email the organizers ASAP to get on the funding req list
16:53:23 <mizmo> Sadin, let me get you the email
16:53:40 <gnokii> Sadin: did you propose a talk?
16:54:01 <Sadin> gnokii, I dont feel im qualified to talk yet.
16:54:09 <mizmo> Sadin, this is where to message https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning
16:54:16 <gnokii> then there will be no sponsoring anyway
16:54:20 <mizmo> speakers get priority for funding
16:54:29 <mizmo> gnokii, is it speaker only funding?
16:54:43 <gnokii> yes, there will be no money left for sponsoring more
16:54:51 <mizmo> i know some speakers don't get funding if they are in apac
16:54:56 <mizmo> oh okay
16:55:01 <mizmo> Sadin, you may have missed the boat then :( :(
16:55:14 <mizmo> the last thing gnokii brought up was ankur's flyer
16:55:15 <gnokii> thats why EMEA already made a decision to sponsor ppl with 200$ if they want to go
16:55:27 <mizmo> i think maybe what we should do is make a ticket to provide him a nice visual design
16:55:30 <mizmo> what do you think?
16:55:36 <mizmo> it seems like he has the content and just needs the design work
16:56:10 <Sadin> mizmo, I can get some of the money together, I think. Only issue Is im paying out of pocket mostly for this next semester.
16:56:19 <gnokii> well thats actually same flyer as for last version
16:56:33 <mizmo> a long time ago i think i made the template that is based on for libreoffice
16:56:42 <mizmo> the marketing folks just wanted something really, really simple that could be updated by a non-designer
16:56:52 <mizmo> a loooong time ago like, fc6 or something
16:57:23 <mizmo> Sadin, if you only need a partial sponsorship i can't see it hurting to ask
16:57:29 <gnokii> well point is we dont need for each release flyer, thats to expensive
16:57:29 <mizmo> the worst that can happen is they say no
16:57:40 <Sadin> you're right
16:57:42 <mizmo> if you can give them a ballpark estimate for what you need to cover the difference it might help
16:58:13 <mizmo> gnokii, yeh it should probably be more generic info. like the creative flyers Emichan did for sxsw - we can still use those because the information is about the core of the apps involved
16:58:47 <mizmo> how about this
16:59:12 <mizmo> i'll email ankur and ask for a bit more context about how it is planned to be printed, etc maybe suggest a bit more 'timeless' content and suggest we could open a ticket for visual design with a bit more direction
16:59:14 <gnokii> well I told the guy last time that it is not his job to create them, he ignored it and the flyer got printed behind our back
16:59:29 <Sadin> Gonna ask then Id only need help paying for hotel cause driving from PA would be cheaper then flying.
16:59:46 <mizmo> i can send him a photo of the 1,000+ fedora 15 design suite dvds i have next to my cube that are outdated and useless because we ordered to omany and can't use them since they aren't reusable
16:59:56 * mizmo can't bring herself to throw them out
17:00:12 <kirkB> Wow
17:00:13 <mizmo> Sadin, that might be quite easy in that maybe they could find a person who is paid for you to roommate with
17:00:32 <mizmo> gnokii, well ill try responding this time and we'll see whathappens?
17:00:41 <mizmo> suchakra, want to give us a GSoC update before we run over too long?
17:00:48 <suchakra> yes
17:00:57 <gnokii> go ahead
17:01:02 <suchakra> first before gsoc, I would say that I may not be there at floc
17:01:06 <suchakra> *flock
17:01:16 <suchakra> it clashed with LinuxCon where I may go
17:01:26 <suchakra> Now GSoC,
17:01:32 <suchakra> Anuradha is doing good work
17:01:34 <gnokii> but you will be at pune?
17:01:43 <suchakra> gnokii: yes I will be in Pune
17:01:54 <mizmo> suchakra, aww i will miss you at flock if you can't make it :(
17:01:54 <gnokii> me to visa approved
17:02:16 <suchakra> mizmo: I will try to come if I don;t go to LinuxCon
17:02:19 <suchakra> :)
17:02:50 <suchakra> So, regarding GSoC, we have regular meets with Anuradha - me, sarup and kushal
17:03:24 <suchakra> And give her suggestions. Yesterday we had a long audio call with her about updates
17:03:34 <gnokii> suchakra: can you do me a favor?
17:03:38 <suchakra> sarup gave feedback on mockups via screenshare
17:03:41 <suchakra> gnokii: yes
17:04:16 <gnokii> include more as indians, sarup has not the best knowledge about usability
17:04:32 <mizmo> cool i noticed she emailed the design team list this morning asking for more feedback from the designers
17:04:40 <gnokii> so when ever show it mo, ryan or me
17:04:45 <suchakra> i do not follow you "include more as indians"
17:05:21 <mizmo> suchakra has a ux backgroudn too tho, sarup is working on implementation so he could provide feedback to technical feasability no?
17:05:25 <suchakra> We told anuradha to share the mockups. She did on mailing list and on github for reviews
17:06:09 <suchakra> mizmo: well, we have her feedback as best as we did. Then we told her to share it with the world so that you guys can give feedbacks as well
17:06:10 <gnokii> suchakra: after filling my visa application I have strong feeling that is a cultural problem like using a calendar on the date from tday so that I have to click 42 times just to reach my year of birth
17:06:39 <suchakra> gnokii: I can't speak for the government
17:06:51 <suchakra> and the way they implement websites.
17:06:52 <mizmo> gnokii, nah there are lots of american websites who have even worse than that
17:07:01 <mizmo> i should tell you about some of my american medical billing experiences some time lol
17:07:06 <mizmo> probably over a lot of alochol
17:07:10 <suchakra> however, i can express my views - and that I did
17:07:18 <gnokii> just share it with us thats all
17:07:27 <suchakra> gnokii: https://suchakra.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/sad-state-of-sarkari-sites/
17:07:29 <mizmo> suchakra, her blog post is great, and i am very glad she's reached out to the whole design team
17:07:57 <mizmo> "Oh yes, that is a marquee and those tiny “NEW” things are so fabulous. Its like web fashion from 1990s returning never changed since 1996. "   hehe
17:08:19 <suchakra> I know it is a problem and their websites are shit
17:08:31 <mizmo> suchakra for country CTO! hear hear!
17:09:08 <suchakra> But then government department have websites like this also: https://data.gov.in/ and http://www.isro.org/
17:09:18 <suchakra> mizmo: lol
17:10:04 <finalzone> much better for the eyes
17:10:07 <suchakra> gnokii: probably the eVisa website is done by same folks who did IMD websites etc. They are from 90s
17:10:10 <mizmo> visa office proably doesnt get much love
17:10:28 <mizmo> could be contractors too, i know the visa admin is done by third party contractors at the New York embassy
17:10:39 <gnokii> yeah its like there is that crazy thing lets use it and not thinking if it makes sense
17:10:57 <suchakra> gnokii: you have not seen railways reservation website
17:11:01 <mizmo> they probably have a checklist they go through and check off each feature and never try to even use it
17:11:04 <gnokii> not to mention that a visa is plain text mail :D
17:11:18 <suchakra> just search IRCTC reviews on the internet and you will see how much we love our railways website ;)
17:12:14 <suchakra> Anyways, coming back to point, thats where we are
17:12:36 <gnokii> +
17:12:42 <suchakra> The next versions of mockups will be directly in code, so this would be a time to give feedback to Anuradha
17:13:21 <mizmo> okay just finished email to ankur
17:13:30 <gnokii> make it somewher available I dont like do download from git and make a setup for it to have a look on
17:13:30 <suchakra> However, not all feedbacks may be implemented as we have to decide how much we can modify askbot
17:13:49 <suchakra> gnokii: it is on fedora-design github team
17:13:59 <suchakra> https://github.com/fedoradesign/Askbot-mockups
17:14:00 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- suchakra linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://github.com/fedoradesign/Askbot-mockups"
17:14:12 <gnokii> ok I take a look
17:14:17 <mizmo> suchakra, im going to do my best to respond to her request for feedback tomorrow
17:14:37 <mizmo> thank you for filling us in on the GSoC project so far
17:14:43 <suchakra> We told her not to do hi-fidelity mockups and just focus on functionality
17:14:47 <suchakra> That is all folks :)
17:14:52 <mizmo> suchakra, i dont know if this time is reasonable for anuradha but make sure she knows she is welcome to these meetings!
17:15:09 <suchakra> mizmo: I told her. She attended infra meetings in the past
17:15:12 <mizmo> it might even be good to schedule a time for her to meet some of us for a time that works for her
17:15:22 <mizmo> cool
17:15:24 <suchakra> Probably she would attend this one as well :0
17:15:32 <gnokii> thats excellent we have to d more to keep our gsoc students
17:15:32 <mizmo> okay any other topics or should we close for now?
17:15:58 <gnokii> mizmo: would be next wednesday fine for brainstorming?
17:16:02 <mizmo> i am bad and wasn't able to post a meeting summary last time so ill try to do a two for one this time
17:16:09 <mizmo> gnokii, next wednesday should work great for me!
17:16:19 <gnokii> ok then I send invites
17:16:33 <mizmo> gnokii, cool thank you for taking care of that and for thinking of it, it's a good idea
17:16:41 <mizmo> okay im gonna close the meeting in
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