16:01:54 #startmeeting 16:01:54 Meeting started Tue Jul 14 16:01:54 2015 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:02:04 #topic agenda 16:02:16 before we do the ticket dance, does anybody have anything to add to the agenda so we can be sure to get to it? 16:03:13 lol okay we'll do the dance then 16:03:18 if any ideas come up let me know tho 16:03:22 #topic tickets 16:03:40 okay first is aging tickets / >= 2 weeks 16:03:54 Hi, sorry I'm a bit late) 16:04:02 mleonova, you're right on time we're *just* starting now 16:04:04 :) 16:04:14 first ticket there is the ask.fpo ui project 16:04:15 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:04:16 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199" 16:04:39 it looks like the last comment is anuradhaw asking for feedback 16:04:49 i think we had a feedback thread about this on the design-team list too iirc? 16:05:50 i think what i'll do is reply to that thread and see how things are going 16:06:33 Can I have a question? 16:06:44 about this ticket/199 16:07:19 trac.ticket.update -- riecatnor updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 16:07:51 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:07:55 lhorakov, sure! 16:08:00 whats up? 16:08:30 What is purpose of that ticket? Why their is mascot of owl? 16:08:51 If the ticket should be about UX? 16:08:51 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:09:27 lhorakov, well the ticket requested both usability/ux help and a logo, so it was kind of 2 requests in one 16:09:31 (the very last line is the logo request) 16:09:37 ideally this would be filed as two tickets 16:09:57 their logo isnt a owl 16:10:10 yeh those comments are from 4 years ago and it looks like there was some confusion 16:11:55 Oh, ok. Before this meeting I just saw that mascot. I'm sorry, I don't know whose work it is, but I think someone shoul make it look easier, cause if it gets smaller it could look awkward. It's nice picture. But I think it suits more for some primary school for kids. No ofense. Just maybe it should be more serious. 16:12:19 yeh it makes sense, i think the focus of the ticket is now more the UX though 16:12:29 generally for fedora web properties we have a standard logo template we follow anyway 16:13:02 okay the next ticket is 279, design for this week in fedora 16:13:03 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 16:13:03 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279" 16:13:36 i think for this one i'll just ask sadin for an update or if he wants to hand over the reins to someone else 16:13:55 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 16:14:10 next one 350 anaconda banner template 16:14:11 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 16:14:11 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350" 16:14:49 suggestion for 279 16:15:03 sure 16:15:24 its something we could do with pingou at design clinic at flock, pingou will be there 16:15:56 * pingou will 16:16:50 oh that sounds good! 16:17:04 we should probably start a list of design clinic discussions too 16:17:26 we also had fedmenu as a topic for it i think 16:17:58 gnokii, do you know if sadin is coming to flock? i know he was thinking about it before 16:18:01 ralph had something, mattdm and pingou and lets see who else might have something 16:18:06 ryanlerch is coming :) 16:18:21 you mean Ryan to flock? 16:18:32 yep 16:18:34 he will be there! 16:18:37 Sadin did search for a place to sleep 16:18:44 great news 16:19:04 if ryan needs to get a new room maybe he can share with sadin 16:20:21 gnokii, do you remember what matt needed hep with? i think the fedmenu stuff was ralph's 16:20:28 mizmo: point for sadin was he cant afford the hotel 16:20:44 mizmo: I think it was a page for atomic 16:20:51 trac.ticket.update -- anuradhaw updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:22:14 gnokii, if ryan has to book a new room anyway though, there will be an empty bed 16:22:22 gnokii, so it might not cost anything, depending on the circumstances 16:22:37 mizmo: ok then we should tell that Sadin 16:22:51 yep but lets see if ryan found a roommate too, if he did maybe that won't work 16:23:03 * mizmo looks for the atomic ticket (Was it a ticket?) 16:23:24 oh no ticket it's this https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2015-June/007200.html 16:23:39 okay 16:23:46 so i started a list for the clinic, i'll have to post it somewhere 16:23:49 will do at the end of the meeting 16:23:53 okay lets move on with tickets :) 16:24:02 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 16:24:02 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350" 16:24:04 the anaconda template 16:24:19 i think this is a good start but needs more 16:24:29 robyduck: that comes better I think http://img.susepaste.org/d27bd4ed 16:24:39 well 16:24:42 maybe it's okay as is 16:25:13 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 16:25:14 trac.ticket.update -- anuradhaw updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:25:41 next ticket - logo for pagure 16:25:42 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/362 16:25:42 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/362" 16:26:09 pingou, do you have thoughts on this one? 16:27:42 ill ask in the ticket :) 16:27:55 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/362 16:28:19 next one is logo guidelines for fedora.next 16:28:20 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366 16:28:20 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366" 16:28:41 i think kirkb isn't around today, i will ask for an update in the ticket 16:28:52 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366 16:28:54 mizmo: if you have time about pagure later this week, could we discuss it a little? 16:29:22 pingou, sure! 16:29:26 thanks 16:29:55 hey kirkB 16:30:02 we were just looking at one of your tickets 16:30:04 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366 16:30:21 Sorry to be late - no updates on 366 as I'm still trying to finish the design team wiki page ticket 16:30:28 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366" 16:30:30 oh okay that's fine 16:30:45 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366 16:30:53 kirkB, do you need any feedback / help on the design wiki ticket? 16:31:40 I'm almost finished. Just combing through the old page for final pieces missing. Some of the old stuff looks really old (hackergotchi service for example). I'll call those out as archived items so the team can review/approve - sound OK as an approach? 16:32:15 THis is the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/364 16:32:37 definitely sounds good 16:32:42 One question 16:32:44 sure 16:32:56 You mentioned the desire to create sub-pages, but I read on the wiki guidelines that sub-pages are discouraged 16:33:45 I have no preference, just want to make sure I'm following the right guidelines 16:33:46 kirkB, really??? 16:34:00 kirkB, most team pages do have subpages 16:34:06 so i think it's okay as long as we list them out clearly 16:34:11 it's way too much info for one page 16:34:18 team pages are really more like a mini site than a page 16:34:36 so maybe the guideline is more for single purpose pages (like, packaging guidelines document, or logo guidelines, things like that?) 16:34:56 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure#General_naming_rules 16:35:10 Do not nest pages in sub-folders, e.g. Topic/FAQ 16:35:28 ahh 16:35:34 I'd prefer to break the page up, as you say 16:35:37 so that's just for the naming 16:35:53 so instead of naming the new page Design/foobar they want it named something like design_foobar 16:35:59 it's just a stylistic thing, it's still a subpage but theres no / 16:36:15 i think it's fair, it helps make the pages more searchable i think 16:36:19 what do you think? 16:36:28 Hmm, ok, I will have to explore with sub-pages then, as I thought the name was how you created a subpage 16:37:07 I'm good with the name approach 16:37:24 I'll explore sub-pages via the wiki help 16:38:07 okay cool 16:38:14 Our current page is translated too - we'll lose that by switching? 16:38:30 thats true, but i think translated outdated content is about as useless as no translation 16:38:41 Agreed, ok thanks 16:39:00 ok next ticket is flock t-shirt 16:39:01 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 16:39:01 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369" 16:39:20 holy boatload of designs riecatnor :) 16:39:24 haha 16:39:33 * mizmo looks thru 16:39:35 well their were a lot of things to try 16:39:49 i am only at 1 but i love the diagonal ribbon 16:40:19 ahhh 5 is awesome too 16:41:05 i think for me it's 4 or 5 16:41:09 what does everybody think? 16:41:20 i think multiple of the ideas we came up with worked as solutions here which is very cool 16:41:21 Still looking ... 16:41:46 i think i like 4 slightly better because the date/time details are in the circle 16:42:03 I personally like 2 and 3, the folded ribbon is a cool effect 16:42:24 oh yeh i like 3 a lot too 16:42:34 if I may, I like 2 the most - looks most natural 16:42:35 2 i think the inner fold is too long maybe draws too much attention? 16:42:38 it's just right on 3 i think 16:42:39 lol 16:42:43 we are all over the place 16:42:49 honestly i think you can't go wrong with any of 1-5 16:42:53 * riecatnor struggle with natural ribbons 16:42:57 i think it's up to you riecatnor :) 16:43:01 oh my 16:43:11 I like 10 too, just to throw that in there 16:43:24 Good symmetry 16:43:29 1 is cool direction-wise, but the ribbon wouldn't go that way when bending 16:43:59 1 almost looks like the ribbon bent backwards and the F is on the back side of it (does that make sense?) 16:44:08 i like the concept of 10 but i think it looks better in 6 when executed the opposite way 16:44:09 but you can't make it dark blue bc the fedora logo can't go on top then 16:44:17 I think 4's ribbon is too "straight" in contrast with the rest of the ribbon 16:44:35 I like 6 too mrichard, agreed 16:44:49 kirkB, i liked that straightness contrast about it, it looks calligraphic to me :) 16:44:50 I was waiting to here what everyone liked.. my favorites are 2, 3, 8 & 15 16:45:04 imo 6 is better than 10 =) 16:45:39 yes I like 6 better than 10 as well 16:45:54 trac.ticket.update -- rsuehle updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 16:45:55 Of those 4 riecatnor, I'd vote for 3 16:46:03 * mizmo votes for 3 too 16:46:11 * riecatnor tallys votes 16:46:38 seems like 3 16:47:04 * mleonova likes 3, too =) 16:47:06 the only thing with that one is, I still felt it was a bit unbalanced 16:47:10 :/ 16:47:12 urgh 16:47:23 gnokii, thoughts? 16:47:50 riecatnor: none my machine stops when I try to open you file 16:47:59 its to huge for it 16:48:08 sorry gnokii :/ 16:48:21 riecatnor, maybe you could left-align the rochester / august text to counter weight? 16:48:41 oh i think i know what it is 16:48:47 it's the vertical height of the ribbon curl 16:48:55 if you squint it sticks down below just a hair too much 16:49:05 i dont think text repositioning would help 16:49:26 I could try make the tail with the logo on it a bit smaller? 16:49:28 maybe 2 then? 16:49:35 yeah, ok, so between 2 and 3 16:49:35 well what i'd do 16:49:37 maybe try something with a ribbon in between 2 and 3? 2 looks balanced 16:49:43 oh 16:49:44 yeah 16:50:22 i'd keep the bottom f ribbon fragment on 3 same size, but kind of squish / perspectivize more the back ribbon above it 16:50:26 (does that make sense?) 16:50:36 maybe even shift the ribbon fragment or widen it more to the center of the design 16:50:45 to take out some of the negative triangle on the bottom 16:51:06 these are such nits though, if you just want to be done with it i think you're fine to just pick one you like and go with it, IMHO 16:51:16 they all look incredible to me 16:52:04 ok mizmo, I will try a few little things and then choose one 16:52:11 cool thanks for working on this :) 16:52:23 mizmo: of course! 16:52:34 thanks for the help everyone 16:52:37 the last ticket ive got in this category is https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 16:52:42 Production of swag for F22 16:53:08 gnokii, hey 16:53:14 uurgh 16:53:19 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 16:53:20 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373" 16:53:27 do you know where the sources for this artwork is? (in trac somewhere?) 16:53:31 (the f21 versions) 16:53:34 * gnokii has to punish riecatnor for such a huge file 16:53:51 i have a mockup that is over 10,000 pixels long somewhere lol 16:54:20 gnokii, i think these are them, but only in png https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/338 16:54:36 gnokii: sorry!! 16:55:38 mizmo: I did not get it, my machine went wild and then gnome crashed so I did not see anything in irc 16:56:01 oh okay 16:56:11 we're looking at ticket 373 16:56:21 i found the old designs in https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/338 but there is only png, no svg or pdf 16:56:46 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 16:57:40 mizmo: I still have the source, I should put an monitor to the other laptop and try to start it 16:58:13 gnokii, it shouldn't be hard for ryan to recreate so if it's a huge burden dont worry aobu tit 16:58:18 but i was wondering how you handled the color space on it 16:58:25 ok 17:00:12 eg should he do a cmyk pdf? 17:01:08 I think so, and the guy is czech, so with Fogra27 for European printers 17:01:44 lhorakov, fogra39 17:02:22 27 is outdated, but he would be better checking with the printer 17:02:32 mizmo: I gave sesivany an cmyk pdf 17:03:10 oh okay 17:04:01 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 17:04:02 I doing that normally in a short communication always wit him directly 17:04:04 okay cool 17:04:09 yes, I have it in pdf. 17:04:26 but now the hired a designer in brno especially for that :) 17:04:57 * mleonova is listening 17:05:20 oh true :) 17:05:35 mleonova, would you be interested in taking over the ticket? it might be easier 17:05:52 mizmo, yes, sure 17:05:58 okay let me email ryan, i'll cc you 17:06:08 i noticed he picked up some of the newer flock tickets so he will probably appreciate the help 17:06:38 lhorakov, unfortunately it doesn't look like we have any open tickets now :( a lot of stalled ones though 17:06:47 did any go by that were stalled that looked interesting to you? 17:06:59 ok, at least I would like to introduce to you all 17:07:06 please do :) 17:07:47 mizmo: we have a lot 17:07:54 gnokii, open? 17:07:58 we always forget badges trac 17:07:58 * mizmo is looking in untraiged 17:08:02 ohh thats true 17:08:10 there are some short deadline ones for flock too 17:08:27 and there must be one from robyduck to 17:08:29 lhorakov, are you interested more in UX design or graphic design or is either okay to you? 17:08:37 according to alpha banners 17:08:42 lhorakov, we do have a few high priority graphic design tickets open under badges 17:08:52 gnokii, is there a ticket for them? 17:08:58 I was going to say lhorakov, you can work on badges 17:09:20 mizmo: I am not sure, but I saw it on list or trac and 2 days ago robyduck came to me 17:09:40 Ok, so hi everyone, thanks for invating me to this meeting. I'm working for Red Hat for something more than 2 months, these are my portfolios, which aren't newest but:https://www.behance.net/lenkahorakova and this one http://lenkahorakova.com/ I wanted to find some community and maybe help with something. Currently I'm working as UX in Brno. So I would like to continue in this way, but I also visiting graphic studio AGD+M. 17:10:27 Can I see that task about badges? Some more informations about that? 17:10:50 lhorakov, if you're in Brno, you can come by and say hi to me) 17:11:05 lhorakov: this is where to get started with badge design https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/wiki/DesignResources 17:11:40 lhorakov, ooh welcome! are you on the engineering ux team or working with an engineering team (embedded)? 17:13:03 lhorakov, very nice portfolio!! 17:13:03 Thanks for the link. I'm embedded. 17:13:18 oh okay cool i am same (on fedora eng team) 17:13:21 lhorakov, enjoying the portfolios - welcome! 17:13:35 let me try to find you the urgent badge ticket i saw today one sec 17:13:47 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/387 17:13:47 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/387" 17:13:47 So today I have to go, but tomorrow I would react on badges, maybe I will have more questions. Thanks mleonova, I'll come by :) 17:14:06 cool sounds good, thank you for coming! we meet every 2 weeks here at this time slot 17:14:16 mizmo: I think I fixed robyduck s banners http://img.susepaste.org/6aa5c177 17:14:16 lhorakov, nice talking to you! 17:14:46 hey mizmo, we are keeping it to 4 badges for flock i believe (attendee, speaker, organizer, event) 17:14:57 riecatnor, oh is the fooled one a no go then? 17:15:00 riecatnor: I did 3 of them yesterdaz 17:15:03 ok. And if I'll have work done or more questions, whom can I contact? 17:15:11 lhorakov: you can contact me about badges 17:15:14 :) 17:15:15 i just wait for some input about party 17:15:29 lhorakov, and you can contact me about anything else, but asking around in this channel is good too 17:15:34 i'm only in tues-thurs 17:15:48 lhorakov: just cry into this irc here that you need work, I will cover you with work :) 17:16:20 Ok, thanks. I will :). Bye for today. 17:16:23 And thank you. 17:16:51 gnokii, hm i dont like the sailor, i am not sure why, the artwork itself is good but he reminds me of canned tuna 17:17:00 i think just the lighthouse alone might look good 17:17:44 You gots somthin gainst canned tuna?!? 17:17:48 ;) 17:17:50 no it didnt I was unhappy with 17:18:01 * mizmo <= vegetarian :) 17:18:03 mizmo, this is a tough issue. lots of ideas for cool badges exist.. but 4 badges for one event is a good amount. and then once you begin adding in extras then it could become a little overwhelming when it comes to other events, and people disagreeing about what is worth it. if people want to get involved with badges, there are plenty of deserving badge tickets for areas that are underrepresented within the badge system 17:18:11 actually when i ate fish i loved tuna 17:18:46 riecatnor, seems fair, otherwise it gets too skewed to the few who can make it to live events 17:18:58 riecatnor, there should be plenty of other open badge tickets then tho right? 17:19:03 * gnokii cant eat fish 17:19:26 also a very good point.. gnokii and I discussed this thoroughly at the FAD and came to this decision about flock 17:19:30 badges 17:19:33 yes! 17:19:39 in fact, I am planning a big badges day 17:19:42 for myself :) 17:19:47 oh sweet 17:19:52 to get ready for Flock and make lists for newbies 17:20:07 riecatnor: the question is how to tell this decause and spot :) 17:20:17 and to identify which badges need concepts/further information 17:20:51 gnokii: tell them its fedora badges policy :) 17:23:06 Feels like meeting is wrapped? 17:24:56 I have one question about the wallpaper. 17:24:56 i damit pingou happy bastille day :D 17:26:17 trac.ticket.new -- rsuehle opened a new ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/392 17:27:17 no ruth ryan and me have done them in the past 17:28:05 sam08, ask away 17:28:15 okay. 17:28:33 trac.ticket.update -- rsuehle updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/391 17:30:06 well, will the thing I've posted be the default wallpaper? shall I try something else? shall I crop/resize it to the standard sizes? 17:30:54 actually, it isn't *one* question... 17:32:39 sam08, i think it just needs some minor refinements 17:32:59 garrett suggested getting the high bit depth version of gimp (do you know how to do?) and adjusting the contrast 17:33:30 i would lower the contrast slightly (on the cc version, i don't think i'd use the raw) and maybe add a vignette? 17:33:36 sam08, what do you think? 17:35:55 my concern about contrast is that the result is different depending on the screen you're displaying the picture, I'm working on a display that has a quite high contrast, but if I look at the same pattern on my laptop then it's different 17:36:26 sam08, i think you want to tune it so it won't be high contrast for most screens 17:36:37 it's... what do you call it? a high frequency image 17:36:47 i think both tuning down the contrast a bit and adding the vignette would help a lot with that 17:36:55 you don't want to draw the eye around with it, it should just fade into the background 17:37:01 do you want me to poke at it? 17:38:03 I have time now to do some fine tuning, I've been busy with exams during the last few weeks :) 17:38:12 okay cool 17:38:19 i dont remember the deadline, i think it is pretty soon 17:38:21 to get it packaged 17:38:23 * mizmo checks 17:38:53 alpha freeze is 7/28 17:39:00 but... i think the vignette should be added once cropped at 16:9! 17:39:01 so we probably want to give it to a packager by 7/20 17:39:29 sam08, yeh i think you have to add it for each cropping, we do 16:9 and 5:4 and what is the other 17:39:39 4:3? 17:40:02 4:3 and there's a new one, tv wide? is that 16:10? 17:40:37 tv wide is 1920x1080, wide is 1920x1200 17:41:28 well, I'll crop the 4k, add the vignette, and then downscale 17:43:34 okay sounds good 17:43:37 keep us updated! 17:43:43 mizmo, I really have to go now, I'll start working on it tonight and post updates to the list! 17:43:44 remember we need the final files to ship by 4/20 17:43:51 so if you need any help or think you won't make it let us know asap 17:43:52 cool 17:43:54 later :) 17:43:57 i should probably closet he meeting now :) 17:44:00 #endmeeting