12:00:44 #startmeeting 12:00:44 Meeting started Thu Oct 22 12:00:44 2015 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:00:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:00:44 https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/events.html 12:00:56 #topic fedora council meeting 12:01:03 so i just wanted to talk about the fedora council meeting quickly 12:01:26 we're on for nov 2, 12 noon EST, i dont remember the UTC (i think 1600?) 12:01:28 oh. /me thought that he someone entered the council meeting :) 12:01:51 hey everybody 12:01:57 hey riecatnor 12:02:04 he riecatnor 12:02:14 hey! 12:02:14 hi riecatnor 12:02:16 the things im going to bring up to the council regarding the design team are pretty much summarized here from our last meeting https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2015-October/007369.html 12:02:56 the main modification to those notes based on the thread is just that the swag is more out of hand in NA than other regions 12:03:22 i think it would be worth pointing out to them that worldwide the swag is not equitably distributed 12:03:28 mizmo: when it comes to swag they have different plans for next budget anyway 12:03:45 gnokii, do you know if its more or less budget for next time? 12:04:19 mizmo: its not given away uneven its only that ambassadors in the regions dont get it like EMEA to produce it and distribute it 12:04:46 gnokii, well i dont mean that the budget is uneven. more that the production is uneven 12:04:47 for next year the want to do swag budget separated to produce it centralized and then I see most of it ending up in US 12:05:35 mizmo: yes it is, EMEA learned it very well to handle the budget APAC made for this year steps forward that direction 12:05:57 okay 12:06:08 can anybody think of anything else that we should point out to the council? 12:06:12 yes 12:06:18 also, it'll be an IRC meeting, not a video chat, and anybody is welcome to come 12:06:28 mizmo: what channel? 12:06:31 aah ok 12:06:40 riecatnor, good q, lemme check 12:06:41 mizmo: I have one point 12:07:31 riecatnor, i think #fedora-meeting 12:07:38 gnokii, sure 12:07:59 we should tell them, that we want to have another hackfest in April 12:08:18 gnokii, i do have that on the list, but i think april is going to be too soon 12:08:36 gnokii, because i might not be back in the office until march, and that is probably going to be too short-notice to get the hotel rooms / flights / etc booked 12:08:42 and im the only one left in westford from the fedora team 12:08:58 mizmo: we have to agree on a date soon, I have to plan a importan private thing 12:09:15 i think the earliest we might be able to do it is 3-4 months ahead, which would make the date july ish 12:09:16 mizmo: yes I know we talked about this problem 12:09:58 mizmo: I told you then they might come and say well do it August at flock 12:10:14 but i cant do flock bc i cant travel internationally that early 12:10:17 what creates for you a problem 12:10:20 yeh 12:10:24 well i can explain that to them 12:10:26 yeah thats the point 12:10:49 theres actually less of us in emea at this point as well 12:10:56 more in apac, more in NA/SA 12:11:03 so the travel to EMEA for this team in particular i think would be more $ 12:11:13 to go to flock 12:11:20 yes 12:11:24 EMEA is the most expensive tor me 12:11:47 so timing and budget means flock won't work for our team, i can point that out 12:11:48 also flock is NA/EMEA only too, right? 12:11:55 yep 12:12:05 LATAM and APAC get fudcons instead 12:12:18 probably till this year 12:12:34 also I remember an idea we had for the FAD was recruiting new people. if we did it at Flock, I am not sure that would give that goal its best shot 12:12:53 yeh 12:13:10 i am hoping this time around maybe we could find a location closer to boston for access to a university 12:13:35 well April would have worked for me fine, I could have returned in March to Germany and then fly from there 12:14:16 well we can point out our interest and see if we can maybe get some budget 12:14:21 now is a good time to ask for budget 12:14:28 ++ 12:14:36 okay anything else on the council meeting? 12:15:30 not from me 12:15:38 okay cool 12:15:52 does any body have any other topics they want to talk about beyond tickets before we hit the tickets? 12:16:10 i guess we have to figure out how to handle the next meeting if i can't run it 12:16:15 because of daylight savings 12:16:31 but after that meeting, i will probably be out and not able to run any for a while 12:16:38 does anybody want to volunteer to run the meetings while i'm out? 12:16:45 i can make it at 11pm (if thats right) 12:16:52 #topic meeting time 12:16:54 yes ryanlerch and me will figure that out 12:16:58 ryanlerch, are you sure? lol thats pretty late 12:17:09 yeah, no problems! 12:17:16 * gnokii australians are night owls 12:17:27 let me check the whenisgood... sec 12:18:08 okay so the next hour has the same number of participants who can make it 12:18:15 so if you can make it ryanlerch that actually makes it a better time slot 12:18:25 yogi can make it and he can't make this slot 12:18:41 yeah, i can make it at 11pm 12:18:48 does anybody have issues if we meet 1 hour later next week? (unless you're on daylight savings which means it'll be the same time :) ) 12:19:07 mizmo: yes for him is 6pm so means he is probalbly going home 12:19:43 okay cool we'll plan on one hour later in UTC next meeting (in 2 weeks) 12:19:48 ++ 12:19:50 works for me 12:19:51 cool thanks gnokii and ryanlerch for taking over the meeting wehn i'm out too 12:20:01 any other topics to hit or should we go to tickets? 12:20:27 tickets! 12:20:31 #topic ticket time 12:20:40 okay first set is stalled on reporters 12:20:45 #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/401 12:20:45 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/401" 12:20:51 ok, just one question need somebody something from me in tickets section? 12:20:52 Review: Updated cheat cube to use DNF instead of yum 12:21:21 looks like we gave ankur a review on this one a while back and we're waiting on an update from him so i will just ask for an update in the ticket 12:21:33 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/401 12:22:13 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 this one is closed but was blocking on eischmann so im clearing that so it won't show up in the report anymore 12:22:13 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 this one is closed but was blocking on eischmann so im clearing that so it won't show up in the report anymore" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 12:22:16 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 12:22:50 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360 mleonova's favorite ticket :) 12:22:50 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360 mleonova's favorite ticket :)" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360 12:22:57 Fedora LiveUSB Creator artwork 12:23:00 mizmo, oh yeah!! 12:23:04 mleonova, i think mbriza is pretty happy with this one now right? 12:23:08 is it okay to close it? 12:23:17 love it =) mizmo I guess yeah 12:23:27 let me run to him and ask) 12:23:48 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360 12:24:48 mizmo, he says yes 12:24:53 \o/ 12:25:03 trac.ticket.update -- riecatnor updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403 12:25:15 trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360 12:25:16 cool closed 12:25:26 okay next one 12:25:30 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/347 Fedora Cloud, Server, and Worksation Stack Exchange community promotion ads 12:25:31 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/347 Fedora Cloud, Server, and Worksation Stack Exchange community promotion ads" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/347 12:25:35 this one we're waiting on reporter feedback 12:25:40 im going to ask for an update in the ticket 12:25:52 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/347 12:25:58 btw, is there a source SVG for the Fedora Server and WS icons somewhere, please? 12:26:23 mbriza, there is - we can't distribute it except by the logo@fedoraproject.org queue tho, so if you email that queue we can send it to you via email 12:26:35 (its a trademark so we have to handle it differently >o<) 12:26:56 thanks, i'll write a request right now 12:27:29 okay last ticket in this category 12:27:33 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 Interface and Usability refresh for ask.fedoraproject.org 12:27:33 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 Interface and Usability refresh for ask.fedoraproject.org" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 12:28:23 looks like anuradhaw provided an update, and she pushed the changes to askbot repo under fedoradesign in github 12:28:53 it doesn't look like they rae applied to the site though 12:28:56 at ask.fedoraproject.org 12:29:00 so maybe we need to talk to sarup about that? 12:29:28 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 12:29:37 is ask run by infra? 12:29:44 ryanlerch, no i think rsundaram runs it 12:29:51 ah 12:30:08 maybe ill send him an email too i dont know if he'd get the alert from the comment 12:30:22 and cc sarup and suchakra and sadin 12:30:47 ill take care of that after the meeting 12:31:00 okay that clears out the stalled tickets queue 12:31:06 next is aging tickets 12:31:13 #topic aging tickets 12:31:35 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/402 Need to scale down hackergotchi in planet rss feed css 12:31:36 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/402 Need to scale down hackergotchi in planet rss feed css" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/402 12:31:56 so this ticket has been sitting for a couple of months. it's a minor change to the css on planetfedora.org 12:32:02 i think it needs someone to work on it 12:32:11 if anybody here is interested in picking it up, you are welcome to 12:32:12 * ryanlerch will do it 12:32:18 \o/ cool thanks ryanlerch 12:32:35 might refresh the planet css while im at it :) 12:32:37 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/402 12:32:42 it needs it :) 12:32:52 :) 12:32:53 here's the next one 12:32:58 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/398 Logo design request for new project: AsciiBinder 12:32:58 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/398 Logo design request for new project: AsciiBinder" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/398 12:33:13 mleonova, harrison is using the logo now right? this one is done? 12:33:21 mizmo, I think we agreed with him to close it 12:33:26 okay great :) 12:33:31 this is a really nice design, i love it! 12:33:40 he seems pretty happy with outcome, too =) thanks! 12:33:49 trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/398 12:34:03 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/393 Cover for 'Getting Started with Fedora' guide 12:34:03 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/393 Cover for 'Getting Started with Fedora' guide" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/393 12:34:10 this one should be the same right? it's already printed up :) 12:34:18 mizmo, yep) 12:34:29 mleonova, do you have the photo of the booklets handy? it might be nice to post to the ticket 12:34:37 have you gotten to see any in person yet? 12:34:37 one sec 12:34:55 mizmo, yes, have it right here 12:35:01 it's really pretty 12:35:28 \o/ 12:36:04 mleonova: did you do the over for those? 12:36:24 trac.ticket.update -- mleonova updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/393 12:36:34 ryanlerch, I did =) 12:36:37 0_0 they look fantastic! 12:36:54 mleonova: beautiful :) 12:37:02 trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/393 12:37:06 riecatnor, ryanlerch, even better in person) 12:37:28 next one https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210 Update fedoracommunity maps with Russia in EMEA (not APAC) 12:37:51 mizmo: i thought this one was done... 12:37:53 hmmmm 12:37:59 ryanlerch, looks like theres alignment issues? 12:38:03 this ticket won't ever die lol 12:38:45 what should we do? 12:38:50 does anybody want to pick it up? 12:39:11 i'll keep it 12:39:21 i thought it was done -_- 12:39:30 ryanlerch, okay ill assign it to you - it had been assigned to bronwyn 12:39:41 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210 12:39:56 thanks -- ! 12:40:05 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 Design for "This week in Fedora" 12:40:05 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 Design for "This week in Fedora"" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 12:40:12 so we talked with pingou about this one at the design clinic 12:40:20 i think i have a mockup from that too but its on my broken laptop :( 12:40:38 mizmo: there is a repo on pagure for it to 12:40:45 ohhh! yes! 12:40:50 i have some other mockups too 12:40:57 ryanlerch, are they posted to pagure? 12:41:02 that i cant recall if i pushed to the pagure 12:41:29 they are on my work desktop though, so will have to check later 12:41:58 ryanlerch, this is all thats in the repo https://pagure.io/twif-mockups/raw/master/f/thisweekinfedora.svg 12:42:10 is that one yours? 12:42:28 looks like it 12:42:32 yrah i think that is the one we did at the meeting 12:42:33 i didnt push mine lol 12:42:42 do you have more you worked on post meeting or was that 12:42:44 it 12:43:24 trac.ticket.update -- mleonova updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/407 12:44:19 ill post that one to the ticket, hopefully i can access the ones on my laptop when the new part arrives (hopefully tomm or fri) 12:44:27 mizmo: i have more post meeting -- got some graphs workingin html/css 12:44:28 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 12:44:34 ryanlerch, oh okay great 12:44:43 ryanlerch, ill put in the ticket that you have more you worked on that you can post later 12:44:50 thanks! 12:44:56 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 12:45:26 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 Anaconda banner template 12:45:26 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 Anaconda banner template" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 12:45:38 we haven't heard from yogi on this one in a while (about 5 months) 12:45:46 it's done, it really just needs to be documented on the wiki 12:45:56 im going to open it up for anyone to take over to finish 12:46:06 anyone here is welcome to grab it, or i can publicize it post meeting 12:47:07 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/350 12:47:35 im going to do one more aging ticket then skip to new tickets to make sure we get to new tickets as well today 12:47:41 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 Need logo design for the Fedora Security Team(FST) 12:47:41 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 Need logo design for the Fedora Security Team(FST)" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 12:48:14 this one is really close to being done 12:48:22 im going to ping yogi on it and see if he wants to finish up 12:48:38 can we take a look at the work on 403 too? https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403 12:49:07 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 12:49:08 absolutely 12:49:12 #topic other tix 12:49:27 any other tickets anybody wants to make sure we hit? 12:49:38 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403 Icons for new FAS website 12:49:38 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403 Icons for new FAS website" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403 12:49:48 mizmo, maybe 407 12:49:50 ahhh im blinded the sun is coming out (one sec i have to close the shades) 12:50:18 * mizmo secretly a vampire 12:50:23 mleonova, cool 407 next 12:50:45 mizmo, i had no more feedback on #404, even though deadline was a couple of days ago 12:51:01 cool thanks sam08 ! 12:51:10 riecatnor, i love the options you did for the group icon https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403#comment:8 12:51:18 riecatnor, i think my favorite is the last one, it seems the most subtle 12:52:06 mizmo, +1 12:52:25 yeah, the tapered lines work really welll IMHO 12:52:32 great :) that is the one I used in the mockup 12:52:38 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/403/users_mockup.png 12:52:38 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/403/users_mockup.png" 12:52:53 in context the 'unsquareness' of the fedora logo stands out a lot 12:53:07 i wonder if it'd make sense to throw in a square outline border around the outside of the space the icon takes up? 12:53:08 I think that they might be a little *too* subtle in the mockup 12:53:10 to kind of counter that? 12:53:29 yeah, I can try that out 12:53:42 I may try widening the shoulder lines a little bit 12:54:18 you might need an inverse version of it too for the upper left corner of this one? http://fas3-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/group/details/3001 12:54:32 oh no they're white, so you might just need a version with just the ppl and not the fedora bubble 12:54:34 (if that makes sense) 12:54:42 i guess the gray would work on the blue too 12:54:48 mm, maybe that is what laxathom meant by platform icon 12:55:10 " I can't recall why we wrote down "platform" at flock :/ Give me a time to refresh my memory. " 12:55:13 hehe he didnt remember 12:55:47 it could be 12:56:22 this is good work tho! the only thing that really stands out to me is the fedora bubble shape thing when it's displayed in context in the page, but i think maybe putting it in a box would help with that (and honestly, that doesn't have to be done in the mockup, it could be done in the CSS) 12:56:47 maybe make a version of the mockup to see what it'd look like with squares, without changing the icon itself? (does that make sense?) 12:56:58 can do! 12:57:10 thanks for the input :) 12:58:07 okay next is ticket 407 12:58:21 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/407 Logo for mojefedora.cz 12:58:21 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/407 Logo for mojefedora.cz" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/407 12:58:23 ooh this one :) 12:58:37 i love #1!!!! 12:58:46 http://i.imgur.com/zAzZSNl.png 12:58:48 thoughts? 12:58:59 this is a bit different than we've done before since we've never used script fonts with fedora 12:59:04 mizmo, :D 12:59:06 I also like the bottom left 12:59:07 but it's a regional site, so there is a bit more leeway 12:59:10 and i think this looks awesome 12:59:12 riecatnor, me too 12:59:21 i like top left 12:59:40 i think i like top left / #1 the best because the curve around the j is aligned vertically with the lower fedora infinity curve 12:59:46 it feels like it really fits 13:00:08 mizmo, oh, sweet =) 13:00:19 any other feedback on this? 13:00:37 thanks for feedback riecatnor, ryanlerch! 13:00:56 mleonova: they look awesome 13:01:28 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/407 13:02:03 sam08, should we close 404? 13:02:21 sam08, do you know which one they went with? 13:02:30 (i think they all look fabulous) 13:02:42 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/404 Poster design for Fedora 23 13:02:42 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/404 Poster design for Fedora 23" https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/404 13:03:06 mizmo, i have no idea 13:03:38 sam08, do you by chance have the sources to paste the ticket? 13:04:00 i think more folks are going to want to use these :) 13:05:01 not now, mizmo, i'm not on my desktop, later tonight or at last on sat i will upload everything 13:05:06 okay cool 13:05:39 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/404 13:05:42 do you think they'll also need a cmyk scribus file or are the SVGs enough? 13:05:43 okay we're a bit over the hour now 13:06:00 sam08, the SVGs should be fine - these are usually printed out on home inkjets where the CMYK doesn't matter so much anyway 13:06:14 ok, great 13:06:44 #topic open floor / closing 13:06:49 anybody have anything else they want to bring up before we close? 13:07:24 okay in 5... 4... 13:07:25 3... 13:07:25 2... 13:07:26 1... 13:07:28 #endmeeting