14:12:47 <mizmo> #startmeeting design-team
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14:12:48 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
14:12:58 <mizmo> #topic roll call
14:12:59 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "roll call" in #fedora-design
14:13:04 <mizmo> .hello duffy
14:13:05 <zodbot> mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' <fedora@linuxgrrl.com>
14:13:11 <mythcat> hi
14:13:29 <mizmo> hey mythcat
14:13:41 <mythcat> is a meeting ?
14:14:02 <riecatnor_> .hello riecatnor_
14:14:04 <zodbot> riecatnor_: Sorry, but you don't exist
14:14:09 <riecatnor_> .hello riecatnor
14:14:10 <zodbot> riecatnor_: riecatnor 'None' <riecatnor@gmail.com>
14:14:15 <mleonova_mtg> .hello mleonova
14:14:16 <mizmo> that was rude zodbot!
14:14:17 <zodbot> mleonova_mtg: mleonova 'Maria Leonova' <mleonova@redhat.com>
14:15:08 <riecatnor_> mythcat: yep!
14:15:23 <mythcat> sorry I late
14:15:28 <mizmo> mshakshober, can you join the meeting?
14:15:32 <mizmo> mythcat, no worries i was late too :)
14:16:24 <mizmo> all right so a few announcements / random administrivia
14:16:29 <mizmo> #topic announcements / etc
14:16:29 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "announcements / etc" in #fedora-design
14:16:41 <mizmo> so im working on a blog post summary of the FAD where we discussed the direction of the team
14:17:03 <mizmo> however i keep getting held up by different stupid things - im hoping to get it done by end of today
14:17:11 <mizmo> since i think it's important to have that documented and shared with everybody
14:17:21 <mizmo> one of the things we talked about is having 2 different team meetings
14:17:29 <mizmo> one for the americas+emea, one for APAC
14:17:43 <mizmo> since our time zone challenges have been a recurring thing
14:17:57 <mizmo> and each timezone meeting would review the other timezone's minutes at the beginning of their meeting
14:18:07 <mizmo> APAC hasn't scheduled their meetings yet, so we dont have meeting minutes to review from them right now
14:18:17 <mizmo> but if they were meeting, that's what we'd be doing right now :)
14:18:18 <mizmo> ok
14:18:26 <mizmo> another thing we talked about the release work items
14:18:30 <mizmo> we dont have them in trac right now
14:18:46 <mizmo> since we're looking at migrating from trac => pagure i think writing up a script to autopopulate into trac won't be a worthwhile effort
14:18:58 <mizmo> so i think for at least f25 we should create tickets for each workitem manually
14:19:13 <mizmo> i will volunteer to do this unless someone else wants to :)
14:19:21 <mizmo> it involves going thru the team calendar and making sure each work item has a ticket
14:19:32 * mizmo digs up link
14:20:09 <mizmo> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-design-tasks.html
14:20:09 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-design-tasks.html"
14:20:30 <mizmo> #action mizmo to create tickets for work items in https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-design-tasks.html
14:20:30 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to create tickets for work items in https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-design-tasks.html"
14:20:31 <mizmo> okay
14:20:38 <mizmo> anything else to bring up?
14:21:36 <mizmo> okay so i'll move on to tickets then
14:21:39 <mizmo> #topic ticket triage
14:21:40 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "ticket triage" in #fedora-design
14:21:44 <mizmo> it's been a while so this is going to be fun :)
14:21:50 <riecatnor_> :P
14:21:56 <mythcat> #idea fulfill the outdate from https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-design-tasks.html and make one planning design chart.
14:21:57 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.idea -- mythcat proposed an idea in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "fulfill the outdate from https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-design-tasks.html and make one planning design chart."
14:21:58 <mizmo> "fun"
14:22:23 <mizmo> okay first is stalled on reporter
14:22:26 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405
14:22:26 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405"
14:22:34 <mizmo> Help designing and laying out an infographic or other digital document for Fedora Council's EDU Objective.
14:22:53 <mizmo> so decause requested this one, he's moved on from his position
14:23:11 <mizmo> this is for the fedora council so we should ask a council member what they want us to do
14:23:36 <mizmo> ill ask on their list...
14:24:07 <mythcat> duffy make a good work with this tiket
14:24:13 <mythcat> 405
14:25:07 <mythcat> some changes on colors and maybe some mozaic effect will make more good
14:25:35 <mizmo> mythcat, this is an infographic so the main goal is to impart information
14:25:48 <mizmo> i just emailed council-discuss to see what they want to do
14:26:14 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405
14:26:24 <mizmo> okay next is aging tickets
14:26:26 <mizmo> ill make it a topic
14:26:29 <mizmo> #topic Aging Tickets
14:26:29 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "Aging Tickets" in #fedora-design
14:26:37 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/451
14:26:38 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/451"
14:27:02 <mizmo> okay these aren't fitting the spec
14:27:07 <mizmo> so ill give him a link to it with some critiques
14:28:13 <mythcat> seem is the idea of elioqoshi,  know what is need.
14:28:28 <mizmo> it has to fit the guidelines here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Fedora_Sub-Logos:_Standard_uses_of_the_Fedora_Logo_with_other_elements
14:29:15 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/451
14:29:17 <mizmo> okay just posted the feedback
14:29:23 <mythcat> is not 'Blocked By: 		Blocking:'  but no comment from elioqoshi
14:29:57 <mizmo> next one is: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/449
14:30:12 <mizmo> mythcat, i wouldn't use blocking if the assignee is the same as the person opening the ticket
14:30:24 <mizmo> okay so this one is for the nuancier logo
14:32:49 <mythcat> #idea track blocking changes: if the person opening the ticket - work on ticket and need to aprove the work by fedora design for fedora design rules.
14:32:50 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.idea -- mythcat proposed an idea in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "track blocking changes: if the person opening the ticket - work on ticket and need to aprove the work by fedora design for fedora design rules."
14:32:53 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/449
14:33:08 <mizmo> mythcat, that's already a rule
14:33:29 <mythcat> no comment
14:33:30 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/449
14:33:51 <mizmo> ok here's the next one
14:33:52 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/448
14:33:52 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/448"
14:33:57 <mizmo> advertising Magazine and CommBlog on AskFedora
14:35:14 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/448
14:35:24 <mythcat> this ticket 448 -> 119
14:35:24 <mizmo> okay this one i updated, basically to ask if an ask.fpo admin is involved and if they are not they need to be
14:35:28 <mizmo> ill set the reporter as blocking
14:35:41 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/448
14:35:51 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/449
14:35:56 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/451
14:35:58 <gnokii> damn
14:36:08 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/432
14:36:08 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/432"
14:36:12 <mizmo> Update Fedora Logic Model Template Graphic Design
14:36:13 <mizmo> sup gnokii
14:36:38 <mizmo> okay for 432, mshakshober did an awesome design but hasn't gotten feedback yet
14:36:44 <mizmo> so we need to nag the reporter for this one
14:37:10 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/432
14:37:36 <riecatnor_> silly little thing, but 'hardware' is missing a d
14:38:04 <mizmo> ah found it, good catch
14:38:14 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/432
14:39:07 <mizmo> okay i just emailed mattdm for feedback
14:39:16 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/428
14:39:16 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/428"
14:39:20 <mizmo> logo for South East Asian Translation Challenge
14:40:24 <mizmo> gnokii, hey are you around to talk about this one
14:40:32 <gnokii> yes
14:40:56 <mizmo> gnokii, so you know i'm american :) so my instinct would be to avoid cultural chibis
14:40:59 <mythcat> gnokii: what you need
14:41:19 <gnokii> mizmo would be fine here
14:41:28 <mythcat> ok
14:41:35 <mizmo> gnokii, i think this one looks great - https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/428/sea_challenge.png
14:42:24 <riecatnor_> I think yours is working pretty well gnokii
14:42:40 <mizmo> i think cultural caricature in a fedora logo is somewhere we can't really go :-/
14:42:53 <mizmo> like, non-culture ones - sure, we have panda, and badger, and all of that
14:42:57 <mythcat> If I have some ideas I will add into Anexe part of tickets. it's ok ?
14:43:03 <mizmo> but when its representation of people with ethnic features it's really a danger zone
14:43:15 <mizmo> mythcat, which tickets?
14:43:16 <gnokii> well its not a caricature as more an abstraction
14:43:57 <mythcat> all tickets show today ... why ? is that a problem ?
14:44:00 <mizmo> gnokii, they're really stereotypical which can cause some problems / misunderstandings
14:44:11 <gnokii> ok
14:44:22 <mythcat> about 'representation of people with ethnic features' I don't think is rude way.
14:44:26 <mizmo> mythcat, no not at all, go ahead i was just wondering
14:45:04 <mizmo> gnokii, the mockup you made is really strong without it anyway
14:45:26 <gnokii> ok
14:46:38 <gnokii> mizmo: ok lets go with it, there is then some more coming to it, I have to create the tickets then
14:49:40 <mizmo> okay cool
14:50:05 <mizmo> gnokii, should i close the ticket?
14:50:08 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/428
14:50:13 <mythcat> #idea will be great if the working ticket will be fork under pagure.io - will help to understand it.
14:50:13 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.idea -- mythcat proposed an idea in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "will be great if the working ticket will be fork under pagure.io - will help to understand it."
14:50:31 <gnokii> yes lets fix it but dont forget to change me to the owner then before :D
14:50:37 <mizmo> mythcat, you might want to wait until after the meeting to post your ideas so the channel doesn't get flooded with fedmsg notifications
14:50:45 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/428
14:50:58 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/428
14:53:40 <mizmo> next one
14:53:41 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/427
14:53:41 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/427"
14:53:46 <mizmo> Fedora specific mailman3/hyperkitty favicon
14:54:00 <mizmo> hm
14:54:03 <mizmo> so for this one i made the icon
14:54:07 <mizmo> and just have to make the logo
14:54:10 <mizmo> which i vaguely recall making
14:54:14 <mizmo> (was going to model after pagure)
14:54:34 <mizmo> which reminds me
14:54:40 <mizmo> nuancier should probably follow the pagure logo model
14:54:44 <mizmo> (https://pagure.io/)
14:55:22 <mythcat> I will deal with this ticket
14:56:10 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/449
14:56:21 <mizmo> mythcat, 427? it's already done
14:57:12 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/427
14:57:14 <mythcat> ok , I saw: "by elioqoshi  What is blocking us here?" ...
14:57:34 <mizmo> mythcat, i just need to add the text
14:57:45 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421
14:57:45 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421"
14:57:50 <mizmo> Official font and presentation templates need update
14:58:43 <mizmo> so sam had this one
15:00:00 <mizmo> hm
15:00:06 <mythcat> :|
15:00:16 <mizmo> i think since it's been 6 mos since sam worked on it, we should clear assignee field?
15:00:35 <gnokii> yepp
15:01:26 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421
15:01:27 <mythcat> will need a good rule about website and how to deal with fonts
15:01:28 <mizmo> okay
15:01:42 <mizmo> mythcat, this isn't for the website, this is for slide presentations
15:01:49 <mizmo> what do we want to do with this one
15:02:02 <mythcat> to fast : same rule for both
15:02:09 * mizmo opens elioqoshis mockups
15:04:02 <mizmo> hm doesn't seem to work
15:04:38 <mythcat> also I think some update for office will be great like inkscape file for badges
15:04:55 <mizmo> the fonts in these slide decks aren't working ocrrectly for me, im not sure why bc i have them installed
15:04:56 <mizmo> well
15:05:02 <mizmo> what do we want to do with this ticket
15:05:07 <mizmo> do we want to do a simple fonts / guidelines update?
15:05:12 <mizmo> or do we want to overhaul the slide design?
15:05:19 <mizmo> i think we need to overhaul the slide design, it has been a while
15:06:20 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421
15:06:21 <gnokii> we should overhaul the slide design, saw some ugly things provided from some ambassadors to others
15:06:32 <mizmo> okay we need someone to take this one then
15:06:35 <mizmo> ill advertise it on the list
15:06:36 <mizmo> okay
15:06:39 <mythcat> even bullets are strange
15:06:41 <mizmo> that's about an hour so i think we should finish up
15:06:45 <mizmo> #topic open floor
15:06:45 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "open floor" in #fedora-design
15:06:52 <mizmo> any issues anyone wants to bring up?
15:07:52 <mizmo> okay i'm going to close the meeting then, thakns for coming everybody!
15:07:55 <mizmo> #endmeeting