14:05:14 #startmeeting design-team 14:05:14 Meeting started Thu Mar 23 14:05:14 2017 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:05:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:05:14 The meeting name has been set to 'design-team' 14:05:15 meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design 14:05:44 does anybody have topics they want to raise first? 14:05:55 oh lets do roll call 14:05:57 #topic roll call 14:05:57 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "roll call" in #fedora-design 14:06:16 I have one topic and one question , but not necessary need to be the first 14:06:29 .hello jkurik 14:06:30 jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' 14:06:47 .hello mleonova 14:06:48 mleonova: mleonova 'Maria Leonova' 14:07:53 .hello mythcat 14:07:55 Guest60345: mythcat 'Cătălin George Feștilă' 14:08:58 jkurik: about the wallpaper? 14:09:20 mizmo: that is the topic, the question is about something else 14:09:28 jkurik: sure what is the q 14:09:41 I need to move on with the F27 Change badge: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Badges/issue/521#comment-431875 14:09:46 What I need to do to get it into production ? 14:10:20 nb: around? can you push this badge? ^^ 14:10:31 jkurik: i think once the artwork is created it has to be pushed into prod 14:11:10 I was not sure whether there is something what needs some approval or so... 14:11:27 jkurik: oh let me look and make sure artwork approved flag is set 14:11:40 if it is just "reach nb and ask him to push it", then I am fine with it 14:12:37 (sorry pagure is slow loading at the moment) 14:13:00 it does seem to have artwork_approved flag jkurk so i think it's a matter of syncing up with nb 14:13:03 hope that helps? 14:13:09 ok, thanks 14:14:50 cool 14:15:07 #topic open floor 14:15:07 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "open floor" in #fedora-design 14:15:13 gnokii: the supplemental wallpaper voting is up now right? 14:15:37 mizmo: yes 14:15:38 * jkurik has already voted :) 14:15:46 gnokii: cool when is the deadline? 14:15:58 started today 14:16:07 I voted, too! Can't claim the badge though 14:16:15 jkurik: has not claimed badge 14:16:35 I did 14:17:12 mleonova: why not? did it not give you a link? 14:17:24 mizmo, I got an error 14:17:48 gnokii: can you manually award to mleonova? 14:17:53 mizmo, should've taken a screenshot 14:17:54 6. April if I remember right 14:18:20 ah, it gave me F26 badge, when I clicked to the provided link 14:18:46 is it possible there is a wrong link when you finish the voting ? 14:19:07 #action Everyone! Vote on supplemental wallpaper. Open until Apr 6. Link is: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/ 14:19:08 meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "Everyone! Vote on supplemental wallpaper. Open until Apr 6. Link is: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/" 14:19:24 cant claim? 14:19:30 sure 14:20:26 omg there are some beautiful submissions! 14:20:34 the link https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/nuancier-f27 returns 404 error code 14:20:37 jkurik: mleonova you have to claim it manually follow link after votes, we did this way as some was against badges for voting 14:21:12 I did follow the link 14:21:20 there was an error 14:21:28 ah, ok, I am confused, sorry 14:21:41 takes a while have some net trouble 14:21:50 the link provided by nuancier is correct 14:22:12 license of the base picture unclear, possible copyright infringement Submission are closed 14:23:21 yes should be i tested it 14:23:40 bye 14:23:49 mythcat you have problems with communication I know 14:25:59 i get a 404 too 14:27:53 ok 14:27:54 i just voted 14:27:56 and the link doesnt work forme too 14:28:01 it seems to fail on the openid thing 14:28:02 the auth 14:28:09 puiterwijk: around? 14:28:17 mizmo: yes. What's up? 14:28:24 yeah auth on badges sucks, especially for me 14:28:46 Well, thanks... If you're not giving any info or bugs, there's not much chance of it improving... 14:28:50 we have a badge award link for the supplemental wallpapers, and people are already FAS logged in when they receive the link, but it seesm to fail on auth 14:29:14 Okay.. What are you seeing exactly? 14:29:17 puiterwijk: brings me to this url with a blank white page (although now it is ISE) 14:29:20 https://badges.fedoraproject.org/login/openid?openid_identifier=http://id.fedoraproject.org/ 14:29:20 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://badges.fedoraproject.org/login/openid?openid_identifier=http://id.fedoraproject.org/" 14:29:28 the link it was trying to go to was 14:29:38 https://badges.fedoraproject.org/invitations/c714eab702ca14573268f88b9fb8634a/claim 14:29:38 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://badges.fedoraproject.org/invitations/c714eab702ca14573268f88b9fb8634a/claim" 14:29:47 puiterwijk: it does seem with a refresh it did award me the badge finally 14:29:54 but it looked like some kind of failure the first try 14:29:55 mizmo: ouch 14:29:59 Oh, this is a meeting? Do you want me to debug et al inside a meeting? 14:30:18 puiterwijk: yes thats fine, bc we need it working before we advertsie too widely 14:30:21 sure you get cookie :D 14:30:40 mizmo: okay. Let me check the logs 14:30:41 puiterwijk: (if you have time and dont mind of course!) 14:30:46 mizmo: can you remove the link from the log plz 14:30:57 gnokii: it's already claimed, it's not going to help anybody 14:31:14 gnokii: one-time use 14:31:16 mizmo: no, its the claim link for all 14:31:20 its not one time 14:31:24 gnokii: oh crap 14:31:25 mizmo: the same link works for everyone. 14:31:28 okay do you know how to remove? 14:31:37 I can revoke it though. Or you can just do #undo 14:31:48 undo should do it 14:32:10 IMO #undo will remove it from minutes, but not from logs 14:32:16 yep 14:32:21 #undo 14:32:21 Removing item from minutes: 14:32:22 You can't remove it from logs 14:32:27 yeah cant be removed from the log 14:32:38 that did it i think 14:32:41 sorry :( i thought they were unique 14:33:28 mizmo: so, the error I'm seeing as the 500 is what happens when you refresh an OpenID submit page 14:33:38 So I'm guessing you pressed F5 on the blank page? 14:33:42 (Or ctrl-r) 14:33:50 puiterwijk: yeh i did trying to get it to wrok. 14:34:03 Yeah, that white page won't work with refresh... 14:34:05 puiterwijk: then i tried visiting the URL That Shall Not Be Pasted a second time, and that works 14:34:10 Right. 14:34:21 no they are not 14:34:24 mizmo: so, while you were seeing the white page, it was actually processing... 14:34:37 * gnokii needs really a new cable for tethering, wifi always breaks 14:34:45 puiterwijk: ah ok. it didn't seem to be doing anything, i did wait a while 14:34:52 So when you then went to that url again, it noticed you already had the badge because the previous request finished 14:35:06 mizmo: yes... Badges has been having performance issues the last hour or so. 14:35:11 ah ok 14:35:18 that must have been it then, thank you puiterwijk! 14:35:43 So, for now, do you want me to regenerate the link so the one in the logs becomes unusable? 14:35:57 puiterwijk: if you dont mind that would be wonderful 14:36:08 Who do I send the new one? 14:36:17 puiterwijk: I can do that to, especially I would have to change it in nuancier 14:36:23 okay. 14:37:06 puiterwijk: yep gnokii would update in nuancier 14:37:21 Okay. Then I'm stepping out of your meeting again 14:38:15 damn now existing 2 14:38:33 puiterwijk++ 14:38:33 gnokii: Karma for puiterwijk changed to 57 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:38:47 puiterwijk++ 14:38:51 :) 14:39:04 anybody have any other topics to cover? 14:39:23 May I talk a bit on F26 Alpha wallpaper ? 14:40:34 sure 14:40:39 ok 14:40:42 We have an issue with wallpaper, possibly blocking F26 Alpha: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1434977 14:40:47 So, my question is whether I should remind the Design team on mailing list when a dedline for a deliverable will be approaching ? 14:40:53 Lets say a week before a deadline ? Just to avoid this issues in the future. 14:41:06 Or do you prefer something else ? 14:41:34 well this topic is a bit more complicated 14:44:09 jkurik: so i dont think it should block alpha 14:44:17 jkurik: it should be pushed to beta 14:44:22 i think that alpha traditionally was a best effort 14:44:45 jkurik: we can have some kind of standard alpha wallpaper, would be ideal if it was automatically included at the first branch of alpha, so its not a worry 14:44:55 jkurik: i think the main reason its a blocker right now is that people need to be visually sure they're testing the right image 14:44:57 mizmo: we could easily give them a just blue thing with F2x alpa written on problem solved :D 14:45:21 gnokii: we dont want to have to update it every time tho, so something that just says fedora alpha would be ok IMHO 14:46:14 mizmo: I am not concerned at the moment abot the blocker definition, that is another question, preferably with QE 14:46:37 well why we this late is simple, we had this time to many ideas and everybody worked on his version instead moving on on the best version 14:46:50 I mean mythcat send yesterday a new version 14:46:54 my question is whether the Design team wants me to remind when a task for a release needs to be done 14:47:20 jkurik: yeh that would definitely be helpful! 14:47:20 jkurik: I fear with a reminder thats not fixed 14:47:41 jkurik: as a team we're just not as in sync with the release schedule as other teams so reminders are super helpful 14:47:41 gnokii: do you have a better option ? 14:48:04 * stickster wonders whether two weeks would be better, i.e. a week to wind up ideas/design and a week to do packaging 14:48:11 jkurik: our newbies have to learn to step down for the progress 14:48:36 in case discussion is lagging or diverse, it needs to be pulled together, similar to what gnokii is saying -- figure out the best idea and get everyone iterating on that 14:49:08 from our side we have found now after the removal of the codenames a system where we base our work on 14:49:17 gnokii: i did ask a multitude of people to contribute ideas not expecting everyone would be responsive, so in a way its a good thing we had such a high response rate 14:49:22 gnokii: but it did cause confusion and ill own that 14:49:36 yeah its positive as negative thats the problem 14:49:43 stickster: yeh 2 weeks wouold be better 14:50:13 maybe with another 1-week reminder to say "should be done with the design part, time to move to packaging" 14:50:31 * stickster was also surprised by amount of response... it's a good problem to have 14:50:47 the key is pulling a consensus together out of that 14:50:56 ++ 14:51:53 in any case, jkurik, do you feel you have an answer to your question now? 14:51:57 maybe we should formalize that a bit more too 14:52:06 stickster: not really 14:52:20 eg in the same way gnokii manages the supplementals maybe me or mleonova could make the call on wallpaper direction at alpha time 14:52:36 mizmo: I have some ideas, in general to the theming we do now, I wanted to talk with you anyway about it 14:52:52 gnokii: sure wahts up 14:53:10 mizmo: gnokii: should we answer jkurik first? 14:53:39 i want to push he voting public for the ¨name¨"and accept in the supplemental wp only drawings or manipulations to the topic 14:54:17 jkurik: so if i understood correctly you were wondering if a reminder for us would be helpful and i think we pretty unaminously (sp) agree it would be, so i'm wondering what else would be helpful for you 14:54:25 I think 2 weeks prior reminder would be great 14:54:38 +1 14:55:04 ok, so if I send a reminder to the design mailing list (2 weeks before a deadline) that some deadline is approaching, mizmo, mleonova or gnokii will pull a consensus from the team together ? 14:55:22 jkurik: yep! 14:55:23 and take care of the packaging ? 14:55:24 jkurik, yes! 14:55:31 jkurik: exactly right 14:55:31 yeah, we can go with that lets see i works 14:55:44 ok, that is the answer for me, thanks 14:59:12 okay we're at the hour 14:59:21 we didnt hit any tickets but thats ok i think we had a bunch to sort through anyway 14:59:29 any last things to discuss or shall we endmeeting? 15:00:19 I have nothing more to discuss ATM. Thanks. 15:01:44 cool thanks everybody 15:01:47 #endmeeting