14:06:54 <mizmo> #startmeeting design-team
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14:06:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'design-team'
14:06:54 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
14:08:27 <mizmo> #info note that we had an issue with our pagure account for the past couple of weeks that pingou fixed :)
14:08:27 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "note that we had an issue with our pagure account for the past couple of weeks that pingou fixed :)"
14:08:59 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/504
14:09:00 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/504"
14:09:05 <mizmo> CS50x.ni banners for social media
14:09:09 <mizmo> this one is done so im going to close it
14:11:11 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/497
14:11:11 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/497"
14:11:21 <mizmo> Desktop icon request for Portecle
14:11:29 <mizmo> giving some feedback on this one for luya
14:14:29 <mizmo> ok finished that
14:14:56 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/510
14:14:56 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/510"
14:15:02 <mizmo> F26 wallpaper tweak (darker lower right corner)
14:15:12 <mizmo> There was discussion on the list aboutthis one, one sec, will link up the ticket to it
14:17:31 <fm-design> pagure.issue.comment.added -- duffy commented on ticket design#510: "F26 wallpaper tweak (darker lower right corner)" https://pagure.io/design/issue/510#comment-436700
14:18:53 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/503
14:18:54 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/503"
14:18:58 <mizmo> Fedora logo dice
14:20:28 <mizmo> ok looks like i just need to send the vendor a vector file
14:22:11 <mizmo> ok! sent! will close ticket
14:25:35 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/502
14:25:35 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/502"
14:25:42 <mizmo> LFNW2017 Sponsor web page
14:26:44 <mizmo> done, looks good, closing :)
14:26:58 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/508
14:26:59 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/508"
14:27:04 <mizmo> Refreshed cover for "Getting Started with Fedora" handbook
14:27:59 <mizmo> looks like mary is still working on this one and isn't blocked anymore, leaving it open but adding triage tag
14:28:58 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/501
14:28:59 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/501"
14:29:04 <mizmo> Need theming for Ipsilon OpenID Connect authorization page
14:30:09 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/491
14:30:09 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/491"
14:30:15 <mizmo> Icons for FAF - also known as Retrace server or ABRT server
14:30:23 <mizmo> looks like reporter needs to provide some feedback so will ask for it
14:32:38 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/488
14:32:38 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/488"
14:32:45 <fm-design> pagure.issue.comment.added -- duffy commented on ticket design#488: "Create images for L10N roles" https://pagure.io/design/issue/488#comment-436711
14:32:46 <mizmo> Create images for L10N roles
14:33:03 <mizmo> asking modry to move forward with sketches :)
14:33:34 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/486
14:33:34 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/486"
14:33:41 <mizmo> Request of mockups for targeted Marketing message related to the Fedora upgrade.
14:35:31 <M1C4HTRON13> 0/
14:36:53 <mizmo> hey!
14:36:59 <mizmo> so i just read through the thread on that
14:37:10 <mizmo> it looks like they are just looking for something short and memorable to build awareness around how fedora's upgrades work now
14:37:25 <mizmo> there were a couple of story boardish suggestions Micah Denn in the thread
14:37:39 <mizmo> 1) user sits down, clicks 'upgrade' on fedora, drinks some coffee, upgrade is done
14:37:57 <mizmo> 2) user sits down, clicks 'upgrade' on fedora, orders pizza, fedora is done before pizza arrives
14:38:23 <mizmo> 3. user sits down, cat walks across keyboard and accidentally upgrades computer, it's done quickly
14:38:34 <mizmo> theres a few things we have to keep in mind -
14:38:46 <mizmo> - preexisting user misconceptions about fedora (we used to be way worse, it used to work differently)
14:39:01 <mizmo> - emphasizing ease of upgrade (it's one click and a reboot)
14:39:13 <mizmo> - emphasizing speed of upgrade (depends on factors, probably 30 min or less)
14:40:03 <mizmo> i like the coffee and pizza scenarios, maybe we can do another one, e.g., parent reading child a book, person going for a quick run
14:40:42 <gnokii> :(
14:40:48 <mizmo> i would also suggest a beginning title mentioning specifically that we've worked on upgrades and they now are better (in 2017) or something like that
14:41:42 <M1C4HTRON13> Should we try to include any actual specifics on how upgrades work now?
14:42:11 <mizmo> it might be nice to include an actual screenshot to show the upgrade button
14:44:23 <mizmo> Micah Denn: do you need specifics on the upgrade process to do that?
14:44:25 <mizmo> we can probably have someone provide you screenshots
14:44:34 <M1C4HTRON13> okay
14:44:50 <M1C4HTRON13> screenshots would be useful
14:45:26 <M1C4HTRON13> will the upgrade process be the same as it was last release?
14:46:12 <mizmo> this has a walkthru for f24-f25: https://fedoramagazine.org/upgrading-fedora-24-fedora-25/
14:46:18 <mizmo> let me see if there is one for f25-26
14:46:20 <mizmo> oh wait
14:46:23 <mizmo> no that's the latest lol
14:47:09 <mizmo> Micah Denn: ^^ so that link basically shows the process. it really is super simple.
14:48:05 <mizmo> it should be the same for f26
14:48:29 <M1C4HTRON13> Do you think we could get an updated screenshot or should I use the one from the magazine and just change the 25 to 26 in gimp
14:49:33 <mizmo> Micah Denn: what i would do - since it would be nice if the video could be used for longer than just say 1 release.... can you use the one from the magazine, but make the bg on it a generic fedora blue, and just fudge the text to say something like, "A new Fedora is available!"
14:50:19 <M1C4HTRON13> yeah that's a good idea
14:50:37 <mizmo> so the rough script would be something like
14:50:55 <mizmo> 1 - Front title: "Upgrading Fedora used to be a hassle..."
14:51:16 <mizmo> 2 - Front title: "We've listened, and made it a simple process."
14:51:29 <mizmo> 3 - Fade in graphic of person at computer, typing
14:52:00 <mizmo> 4 - Show screenshot (from Fedora mag, generic blue bg,  "A new Fedora is available!" text with "Download" button). Show pointer moving to and user clicking on "download"
14:52:40 <mizmo> 5 - Show user walking away from computer, have some coffee grinder / coffee maker noises overlaid maybe?
14:53:04 <mizmo> 6 - close up of screen - (we need a screenshot of this) - dialog pops up, download complete, reboot to upgrade?
14:53:27 <mizmo> 7 - back to full frame shot of computer scene, user walks back into scene holding coffee cup, clicks "reboot" button
14:53:38 <mizmo> 8 - close up of user sipping coffee and relaxing
14:53:58 <mizmo> 9 - screen close up  - upgrade progress finishes and fedora login screen appears
14:54:03 <mizmo> 10 - person close up - smilse
14:54:06 <mizmo> something like that?
14:54:09 <mizmo> i guess that's a lot on its own
14:54:12 <mizmo> without more scenarios
14:54:16 <mizmo> ^^ Micah Denn what do you think?
14:55:10 <M1C4HTRON13> I think I can work with that
14:55:59 <mizmo> maybe a closing title too... "Fedora - now easy to upgrade." with maybe a link below for more info (we'll ask the folks in the thread for a more info link)
14:56:11 <mizmo> Micah Denn: okay cool, so the next step would be storyboard / sketching that, sound doable?
14:59:24 <M1C4HTRON13> I'm wondering if we could avoid animating and actual person
14:59:46 <M1C4HTRON13> what if we did it with more of a motion graphics style
15:00:26 <M1C4HTRON13> eg. we could just have an animation of a coffee cup opposed to somebody getting up and making coffee
15:00:46 <M1C4HTRON13> if that makes sense?
15:00:47 <mizmo> kind of like how netflix promos do the layered static sprites?
15:02:26 <M1C4HTRON13> haven't seen them are there any examples on youtube?
15:05:15 <mizmo> theyre running on my tv screen right now lol
15:05:16 <mizmo> sec
15:05:39 <M1C4HTRON13> like this? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMZpqOS4CCs
15:07:03 <mizmo> no uploading sec
15:08:14 <fm-design> pagure.issue.comment.added -- bee2502 commented on ticket fedora-diversity#2: "Define onboarding steps for bringing in new members" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/2#comment-436717
15:10:28 <mizmo> Micah Denn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88qd85lytk
15:12:04 <M1C4HTRON13> That could work
15:13:55 <M1C4HTRON13> but I think with vector illustrations for the sprites photos for the sprites
15:14:10 <M1C4HTRON13> oops that doesn't make sense
15:14:35 <M1C4HTRON13> *but with vector illustrations instead of photos
15:14:57 <mizmo> ah
15:15:02 <mizmo> i wonder if it'd work as well with vectors
15:15:04 <mizmo> we can see though
15:15:06 <mizmo> i trust your judgment :)
15:15:33 <mizmo> ill copy/paste the rough script into the ticket?
15:15:44 <M1C4HTRON13> you clearly don't know me well enough :)
15:15:52 <M1C4HTRON13> yeah
15:16:17 <mizmo> coolio :)
15:16:26 <mizmo> ok im going to end meeting now to cuz we're over. thanks Micah Denn :)
15:16:28 <mizmo> #endmeeting