14:04:29 <mizmo> #startmeeting design-team
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14:04:36 <mizmo> #topic open floor
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14:04:56 <mizmo> #info mizmo to sort out wallpaper logo issue - sam08 posted logo files to the pagure ticket, mizmo will talk to maintainer to see what happened
14:04:56 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to sort out wallpaper logo issue - sam08 posted logo files to the pagure ticket, mizmo will talk to maintainer to see what happened"
14:05:03 <mizmo> anybody have anything else to bring up?
14:05:31 <sam08> mizmo, there might be issues with the animated wp, luya suggested using a gs version of the logotype on that
14:05:54 <mizmo> sam08: what does gs version mean?
14:06:02 <sam08> grayscale, sorry
14:06:46 <mizmo> sam08: what color would it be though? black or white or? is there a shade that would work with all versions of the wallpaper?
14:06:51 <mizmo> i'd be inclined to just not have an animated wallpaper
14:07:08 <mizmo> if it's causing the logo issues
14:07:29 <sam08> luya suggest just plain gray, like 50%
14:07:50 <sam08> but that's not allowed by the logo guidelines
14:07:59 <mizmo> sam08: did he test it on all the shades of the animated wallpapers?
14:08:07 <sam08> so i waited before posting an svg
14:09:26 <mizmo> sam08: is the svg you posted 50% gray?
14:10:04 <sam08> nope, i only posted the two fedora blue ones
14:10:16 <mizmo> ok lets dig out the animated ones and test them
14:10:27 * mizmo goes to koji to grab the packages
14:11:13 <sam08> mizmo, here there's the source XCF for the animated
14:11:15 <sam08> https://pagure.io/design/issue/514#comment-439850
14:11:15 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- sam08 linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/514#comment-439850"
14:11:38 <mizmo> sam08: oh perfect thats easier
14:11:39 * mizmo grabs that
14:12:57 <mizmo> slow download...
14:13:51 <mizmo> the 50% grayscale does not look good :
14:13:53 <mizmo> :(
14:13:59 <sam08> personally, i don't like the gray version much, i'd rather use a black with 50% alpha
14:14:49 <mizmo> yeh that looks much better
14:14:51 <mizmo> i just tried it
14:14:58 <mizmo> maybe mor elike 30% opacity
14:15:09 <mizmo> can you update the svg to be the black logotype with 30%?
14:15:29 <sam08> won't 30% be too subtle on the night one?
14:15:58 <sam08> i prefer 30% too, tbh
14:16:17 <mizmo> oh what i have isn't black, it's 50% gray at 30% opacity. and it looks good on all 4 including night
14:16:28 <mizmo> i guess because the gray has some white, it makes it still stand out
14:18:03 <mizmo> sam08: what do you think?
14:20:20 <sam08> mizmo, sec, i'm trying the gray one
14:21:51 <sam08> mizmo, tbh, i don't why they say that white won't work
14:22:05 <mizmo> sam08: 100% opaque white? or 30%?
14:22:07 <sam08> on the standard wp maybe taht's true
14:22:15 <sam08> uhm, 100%?
14:22:51 <mizmo> sam08: well this XCF is different than the wallpaper that went out in alpha. the alpha wallpaper was pure white in the bottom right
14:22:57 <mizmo> because of the mist stuff
14:23:03 <mizmo> lemme check the package and see whats in it
14:23:08 <sam08> 50% white looks great to me
14:25:40 <sam08> just wondering if layer "clipboard" should be visible or not, it's just a semi-transparent black solid
14:27:37 <mizmo> sam08: okay what is in the package built may 09 is absolutely NOT the same as whats in this XCF
14:27:38 <mizmo> so we have a problem
14:27:46 <mizmo> the XCF looks much much nicer
14:28:32 <sam08> when's the deadline for this?
14:29:02 <sam08> brb, sorry
14:29:26 <mizmo> sam08: we're past the freeze im pretty sure at this point so we'd have to break freeze, it looks like sgallagh already requested a freeze break
14:31:14 <sam08> i'm back
14:35:50 <mizmo> sam08: can you regenerate the pngs from this XCF so they are the right one and zip them up for luya to rebuild?
14:36:02 <mizmo> sam08: and if you think white at 50% is the way to go, can you update the SVG in pagure accordingly?
14:36:29 <sam08> mizmo, yes, sure
14:37:23 <mizmo> sam08: awesome thank you!!!
14:37:34 <mizmo> sam08: do you have time to work on it now? it would be good to have it sorted in the next few hours
14:37:36 <sam08> i'm just wondering if that dark overlay should be visible or not, it's something that's just in the animated version, not in the standard one
14:37:39 <mizmo> if we want to try to get it in to beta
14:38:08 <mizmo> sam08: i like the dark overlay. it gives it a nice texture
14:38:39 <sam08> mizmo, i agree
14:39:51 <mizmo> sam08: cool. think you could have it done today?
14:40:06 <sam08> mizmo, recap, standard wp will have blue logo, while animated will have a semi-transp logo in either white or gray?
14:40:25 <sam08> mizmo, yeah, i'll do it right away
14:41:02 <sam08> mizmo, imho 50% white looks good since we keep the overlay
14:41:54 <mizmo> sam08: i dont think we can do two different colored logos. i think it has to be the same across static and animated
14:42:06 <mizmo> will 50% white look ok on the standard/static wallpaper?
14:42:34 <sam08> mizmo, no way i think, let me check anyway
14:45:09 <mizmo> sam08: can we just export 'day' from the XCF and make that the standard?
14:47:16 <sam08> mizmo, http://imgur.com/rlEXWBT
14:47:47 <sam08> leftmost is the standard
14:49:25 * mizmo looks
14:49:46 <mizmo> i dont understand why the standard != the day one in the animated. can we just make them the same?
14:50:08 <mizmo> oh the fog in the xcf does not look good though
14:50:21 <mizmo> it's too contrasty/bright in the non day ways, can we dial down opacity on it too?
14:50:31 <sam08> i will, it's partly due to the overlay, partly cause... they're two different images
14:51:15 <sam08> mizmo, yeh, and i think dawn/dusk look somehow too red?
14:51:42 <mizmo> yeh and the trees too blue in dawn/dusk
14:51:52 <mizmo> i would maybe destaurate the blue in the trees and have a diff version for that one
14:51:56 <mizmo> doable?
14:52:03 <sam08> of course ;)
14:52:18 <mizmo> okay so let's sum it up
14:52:36 <mizmo> - 50% white fedora logotype svg - can you post that to pagure first and ping me right after, and i'll get it to the logo maintainer so we get that in right away?
14:52:52 <mizmo> - desaturate the red in the dawn/dusk more
14:53:16 <mizmo> - re-do the 'fog' effect so it's more transparent / less contrasting with dawn, dusk, and night
14:53:34 <mizmo> - re-export all of the backgrounds in the XCF with the dark overlay / texture
14:53:43 <mizmo> - use the day export from the XCF for the standard / static wp
14:53:50 <mizmo> i think that is everything. you have time now to work on all of this?
14:54:10 <sam08> yes, sure
14:54:28 <sam08> are you sure about the white logo overlay?
15:00:10 <mizmo> sam08: you tested it, it works?
15:01:23 <mizmo> sam08: i like it at 30% better than 50%
15:01:25 * mizmo is trying it now
15:01:39 <sam08> well, it works with the darker steps
15:02:03 <mizmo> as long as the darker / texture layer is in place, it seems to look really good and work well white at 30%
15:02:05 <sam08> i'd try to keep day one brighter if possible
15:02:06 <mizmo> sound like a plan?
15:02:17 <mizmo> what do you mean?
15:02:25 <mizmo> make the background for day brighter, or the logo for brighter?
15:02:32 <mizmo> we cant introduce any logic into the logo so it has to be the same across all
15:03:04 <sam08> the background, like the old standard
15:03:20 <mizmo> sam08: i dont think we can use it because it's too bright to have a white logo
15:03:34 <mizmo> i think no matter what, the 'day' one should be the same whether it's animated or not
15:03:50 <sam08> mizmo, wait, what about using a blue logo?
15:04:02 * mizmo tries it
15:04:53 <mizmo> it doesn't look good with dusk but looks good with the others
15:05:01 <mizmo> but maybe if you desaturate the red in dusk a bit it would look better?
15:05:11 <mizmo> im using the blue at 38%
15:05:25 <mizmo> at 100% it looks a bit childish to me, looks better at 38% for all but dusk
15:05:41 <mizmo> that could be a good solution because it would work on the current standard / static too
15:07:07 <sam08> i can work on the colors/gradients of dusk
15:08:02 <mizmo> sam08: what do you think?
15:08:04 <sam08> maybe it just clashes with that brownish corner dusk has
15:09:11 <sam08> mizmo, i think that the standard we already have looks great and has some really interesting texturing
15:10:37 <sam08> mizmo, i'm afraid it'd look too flat if we reduce brightness
15:11:31 <mizmo> sam08: should we make the day in the animated the same as the current standard?
15:13:09 <sam08> mizmo, i can do it, no problem, is it really necessary though?
15:13:40 <mizmo> sam08: wouldnt the animated version look too flat otherwise?
15:14:12 <sam08> mizmo, to me it'd make more sense keeping all those four consistent with one another
15:14:23 <mizmo> ok
15:14:29 <mizmo> sam08: it's your call :)
15:14:49 <sam08> so, if necessary, i can use the new standard as a base for the animated
15:14:54 <mizmo> sam08: i think the blue at 38% will look good on all 5 variants, as long as the dusk one gets toned down a bit
15:15:12 <mizmo> sam08: in terms of using standadr vs the current animated - ill leave that up to you. if you think its ok we can just stick with the current animated / xcf base
15:15:49 <sam08> mizmo, first of all i'll post on pagure the new SVG
15:16:02 <sam08> so they can start working on it
15:16:31 <sam08> what time has the wp to be ready?
15:21:14 <mizmo> sam08: if you can have something in the next 5-6 hours that would be ideal, the blocker exception has been filed, if we can post the files and show they are ready to go it will help our case i think
15:22:43 <sam08> mizmo, okay, the SVG is done, i'm just uploading it
15:22:51 <mizmo> sam08: great
15:23:43 <sam08> mizmo, shall i notify luya for packaging when i'm done with the bgs?
15:23:54 <mizmo> sam08: yes, please!
15:25:01 <sam08> mizmo, okay, i'll cc you too :)
15:25:47 <mizmo> thanks :)
15:25:52 <mizmo> i guess i'll end meeting we've been 90 minutes. but let's stay in touch here
15:25:55 <mizmo> #endmeeting