14:04:29 #startmeeting design-team 14:04:29 Meeting started Thu May 18 14:04:29 2017 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:04:29 The meeting name has been set to 'design-team' 14:04:30 meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design 14:04:36 #topic open floor 14:04:36 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "open floor" in #fedora-design 14:04:56 #info mizmo to sort out wallpaper logo issue - sam08 posted logo files to the pagure ticket, mizmo will talk to maintainer to see what happened 14:04:56 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to sort out wallpaper logo issue - sam08 posted logo files to the pagure ticket, mizmo will talk to maintainer to see what happened" 14:05:03 anybody have anything else to bring up? 14:05:31 mizmo, there might be issues with the animated wp, luya suggested using a gs version of the logotype on that 14:05:54 sam08: what does gs version mean? 14:06:02 grayscale, sorry 14:06:46 sam08: what color would it be though? black or white or? is there a shade that would work with all versions of the wallpaper? 14:06:51 i'd be inclined to just not have an animated wallpaper 14:07:08 if it's causing the logo issues 14:07:29 luya suggest just plain gray, like 50% 14:07:50 but that's not allowed by the logo guidelines 14:07:59 sam08: did he test it on all the shades of the animated wallpapers? 14:08:07 so i waited before posting an svg 14:09:26 sam08: is the svg you posted 50% gray? 14:10:04 nope, i only posted the two fedora blue ones 14:10:16 ok lets dig out the animated ones and test them 14:10:27 * mizmo goes to koji to grab the packages 14:11:13 mizmo, here there's the source XCF for the animated 14:11:15 https://pagure.io/design/issue/514#comment-439850 14:11:15 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- sam08 linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/514#comment-439850" 14:11:38 sam08: oh perfect thats easier 14:11:39 * mizmo grabs that 14:12:57 slow download... 14:13:51 the 50% grayscale does not look good : 14:13:53 :( 14:13:59 personally, i don't like the gray version much, i'd rather use a black with 50% alpha 14:14:49 yeh that looks much better 14:14:51 i just tried it 14:14:58 maybe mor elike 30% opacity 14:15:09 can you update the svg to be the black logotype with 30%? 14:15:29 won't 30% be too subtle on the night one? 14:15:58 i prefer 30% too, tbh 14:16:17 oh what i have isn't black, it's 50% gray at 30% opacity. and it looks good on all 4 including night 14:16:28 i guess because the gray has some white, it makes it still stand out 14:18:03 sam08: what do you think? 14:20:20 mizmo, sec, i'm trying the gray one 14:21:51 mizmo, tbh, i don't why they say that white won't work 14:22:05 sam08: 100% opaque white? or 30%? 14:22:07 on the standard wp maybe taht's true 14:22:15 uhm, 100%? 14:22:51 sam08: well this XCF is different than the wallpaper that went out in alpha. the alpha wallpaper was pure white in the bottom right 14:22:57 because of the mist stuff 14:23:03 lemme check the package and see whats in it 14:23:08 50% white looks great to me 14:25:40 just wondering if layer "clipboard" should be visible or not, it's just a semi-transparent black solid 14:27:37 sam08: okay what is in the package built may 09 is absolutely NOT the same as whats in this XCF 14:27:38 so we have a problem 14:27:46 the XCF looks much much nicer 14:28:32 when's the deadline for this? 14:29:02 brb, sorry 14:29:26 sam08: we're past the freeze im pretty sure at this point so we'd have to break freeze, it looks like sgallagh already requested a freeze break 14:31:14 i'm back 14:35:50 sam08: can you regenerate the pngs from this XCF so they are the right one and zip them up for luya to rebuild? 14:36:02 sam08: and if you think white at 50% is the way to go, can you update the SVG in pagure accordingly? 14:36:29 mizmo, yes, sure 14:37:23 sam08: awesome thank you!!! 14:37:34 sam08: do you have time to work on it now? it would be good to have it sorted in the next few hours 14:37:36 i'm just wondering if that dark overlay should be visible or not, it's something that's just in the animated version, not in the standard one 14:37:39 if we want to try to get it in to beta 14:38:08 sam08: i like the dark overlay. it gives it a nice texture 14:38:39 mizmo, i agree 14:39:51 sam08: cool. think you could have it done today? 14:40:06 mizmo, recap, standard wp will have blue logo, while animated will have a semi-transp logo in either white or gray? 14:40:25 mizmo, yeah, i'll do it right away 14:41:02 mizmo, imho 50% white looks good since we keep the overlay 14:41:54 sam08: i dont think we can do two different colored logos. i think it has to be the same across static and animated 14:42:06 will 50% white look ok on the standard/static wallpaper? 14:42:34 mizmo, no way i think, let me check anyway 14:45:09 sam08: can we just export 'day' from the XCF and make that the standard? 14:47:16 mizmo, http://imgur.com/rlEXWBT 14:47:47 leftmost is the standard 14:49:25 * mizmo looks 14:49:46 i dont understand why the standard != the day one in the animated. can we just make them the same? 14:50:08 oh the fog in the xcf does not look good though 14:50:21 it's too contrasty/bright in the non day ways, can we dial down opacity on it too? 14:50:31 i will, it's partly due to the overlay, partly cause... they're two different images 14:51:15 mizmo, yeh, and i think dawn/dusk look somehow too red? 14:51:42 yeh and the trees too blue in dawn/dusk 14:51:52 i would maybe destaurate the blue in the trees and have a diff version for that one 14:51:56 doable? 14:52:03 of course ;) 14:52:18 okay so let's sum it up 14:52:36 - 50% white fedora logotype svg - can you post that to pagure first and ping me right after, and i'll get it to the logo maintainer so we get that in right away? 14:52:52 - desaturate the red in the dawn/dusk more 14:53:16 - re-do the 'fog' effect so it's more transparent / less contrasting with dawn, dusk, and night 14:53:34 - re-export all of the backgrounds in the XCF with the dark overlay / texture 14:53:43 - use the day export from the XCF for the standard / static wp 14:53:50 i think that is everything. you have time now to work on all of this? 14:54:10 yes, sure 14:54:28 are you sure about the white logo overlay? 15:00:10 sam08: you tested it, it works? 15:01:23 sam08: i like it at 30% better than 50% 15:01:25 * mizmo is trying it now 15:01:39 well, it works with the darker steps 15:02:03 as long as the darker / texture layer is in place, it seems to look really good and work well white at 30% 15:02:05 i'd try to keep day one brighter if possible 15:02:06 sound like a plan? 15:02:17 what do you mean? 15:02:25 make the background for day brighter, or the logo for brighter? 15:02:32 we cant introduce any logic into the logo so it has to be the same across all 15:03:04 the background, like the old standard 15:03:20 sam08: i dont think we can use it because it's too bright to have a white logo 15:03:34 i think no matter what, the 'day' one should be the same whether it's animated or not 15:03:50 mizmo, wait, what about using a blue logo? 15:04:02 * mizmo tries it 15:04:53 it doesn't look good with dusk but looks good with the others 15:05:01 but maybe if you desaturate the red in dusk a bit it would look better? 15:05:11 im using the blue at 38% 15:05:25 at 100% it looks a bit childish to me, looks better at 38% for all but dusk 15:05:41 that could be a good solution because it would work on the current standard / static too 15:07:07 i can work on the colors/gradients of dusk 15:08:02 sam08: what do you think? 15:08:04 maybe it just clashes with that brownish corner dusk has 15:09:11 mizmo, i think that the standard we already have looks great and has some really interesting texturing 15:10:37 mizmo, i'm afraid it'd look too flat if we reduce brightness 15:11:31 sam08: should we make the day in the animated the same as the current standard? 15:13:09 mizmo, i can do it, no problem, is it really necessary though? 15:13:40 sam08: wouldnt the animated version look too flat otherwise? 15:14:12 mizmo, to me it'd make more sense keeping all those four consistent with one another 15:14:23 ok 15:14:29 sam08: it's your call :) 15:14:49 so, if necessary, i can use the new standard as a base for the animated 15:14:54 sam08: i think the blue at 38% will look good on all 5 variants, as long as the dusk one gets toned down a bit 15:15:12 sam08: in terms of using standadr vs the current animated - ill leave that up to you. if you think its ok we can just stick with the current animated / xcf base 15:15:49 mizmo, first of all i'll post on pagure the new SVG 15:16:02 so they can start working on it 15:16:31 what time has the wp to be ready? 15:21:14 sam08: if you can have something in the next 5-6 hours that would be ideal, the blocker exception has been filed, if we can post the files and show they are ready to go it will help our case i think 15:22:43 mizmo, okay, the SVG is done, i'm just uploading it 15:22:51 sam08: great 15:23:43 mizmo, shall i notify luya for packaging when i'm done with the bgs? 15:23:54 sam08: yes, please! 15:25:01 mizmo, okay, i'll cc you too :) 15:25:47 thanks :) 15:25:52 i guess i'll end meeting we've been 90 minutes. but let's stay in touch here 15:25:55 #endmeeting