14:03:43 <mizmo> #startmeeting design-team
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14:03:44 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
14:03:54 <mizmo> #topic open floor
14:03:54 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "open floor" in #fedora-design
14:04:03 <mizmo> so on the list it seemed we had a lot of support for design hackfest
14:04:07 <mizmo> so im going to submit one to flock
14:04:20 <mleonova> yeah! it's a great idea :)
14:04:26 <mizmo> i'm also submitting a 30 min talk about documenting fedora infrastructure app design patterns using pattern lab
14:04:43 <mizmo> its one of those long term projects i've wanted to do for a while that im hoping to get some progress on this summer
14:04:51 <mleonova> oh, that sounds exciting!
14:04:59 <mizmo> mleonova: i think you proposed a badges talk with maria right?
14:05:08 <mshakshober[m]> I just  submitted a talk too about using open source design stuff too!
14:05:08 <mizmo> marie sorry
14:05:15 <mleonova> we proposed a workshop
14:05:31 <mleonova> and then I proposed a talk on working with devs
14:05:42 <mleonova> cool, mshakshober[m] !
14:05:45 <mizmo> mshakshober: awesome :)
14:06:01 <mizmo> mleonova: oh great, id be really interested in the working with devs talk!
14:06:09 <mizmo> so it seems we'll have some good design team representation :)
14:06:18 <mleonova> heehee, everybody says so!
14:10:57 <mizmo> any other topics or should we do tickets?
14:11:54 <mshakshober[m]> mizmo I know you commented on https://pagure.io/design/issue/525, but I'm wondering if there's anything else i should apply?
14:12:08 <mshakshober[m]> they seem in a rush to get the shirt ready so I was going to work on it today
14:16:52 <mizmo> mshakshober: taking a look
14:17:38 <mizmo> i think they want it in time for flock i guess
14:18:10 <mizmo> so theres some time, i would say maybe if you have it prepped in a week you'll be ok
14:19:16 <mshakshober[m]> Ok cool, I'll try to have an updated design at least in the next 24 hours to keep things moving
14:19:21 <mizmo> sounds good :)
14:19:32 <mshakshober[m]> thanks mizmo :)
14:19:32 <mizmo> okay lets do ticket triage then, unless there's anything else?
14:19:50 <mizmo> #topic ticket triage
14:19:50 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "ticket triage" in #fedora-design
14:19:54 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/528
14:19:55 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/528"
14:20:10 <mizmo> anyone have feedback for sam?
14:20:40 * mleonova is looking
14:21:28 <mshakshober[m]> I kinda like the first two versions... I think that the "26" stands out the most there
14:21:52 <mshakshober[m]> but I like the refection effect of #3 too
14:22:07 <mleonova> I think they could be consistent with the poster - I'm more of a blue background fan https://pagure.io/design/issue/527
14:22:38 <mleonova> out of presented options 4 is my favorite
14:22:40 <mizmo> mleonova: ooh thats a good idea to have the consistency
14:22:46 <mizmo> i liked how the poster handled that
14:22:58 <mizmo> yeh 4 has the same font, maybe 4 with the poster's bg?
14:23:15 <mleonova> mizmo, sounds great!
14:23:50 <mizmo> ok i suggested in the ticket
14:23:53 <mizmo> next ticket is the poster :)
14:23:59 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/527
14:23:59 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/527"
14:24:42 <mleonova> I love it =) I think Martin did a great job, too bad he could only stay two weeks
14:25:09 <mizmo> mleonova: i see what jibecfed is saying here - if he wanted to print on his printer at home, it'd have the white printer margin (because inkjets don't go to the full edges of the paper without trimming) and the dark colors mean it'll use a lot of ink
14:25:35 <mizmo> but... i dont see that being a huge problem. this would look ok with a white margin and it could be printed on economy mode on a greyscale printer and look fine too
14:25:43 <mleonova> I get that, but then we have a history of blue posters
14:25:52 <mleonova> margin can be cropped of
14:25:53 <mizmo> we do
14:25:57 <mizmo> and it's totally consistent
14:26:07 <mizmo> so im not too concerned about it
14:26:12 <mleonova> cool
14:26:42 <mizmo> is the PNG high enough res to print?
14:26:55 <mleonova> uhm didn't check
14:26:55 <mizmo> its 744 x 1052
14:28:19 <mizmo> it's A4 too i think
14:28:21 <mleonova> the size is okay-ish, the resolution might not be so great
14:28:22 <mizmo> which is ok, easily converted
14:28:27 <mleonova> yeah
14:28:30 <mizmo> im doing a test print now, one sec
14:28:39 * mizmo walks to the printer
14:28:52 <mleonova> but if we're not going for professional printers, it might be ok
14:30:26 <mizmo> so it's ok, it's a little jaggedy / blurry but not awful on US Letter
14:30:49 <mizmo> lemme see if i can attach here lol
14:30:54 <mleonova> ok =)
14:31:15 * mizmo uploaded an image: file1497450670212.jpg (338KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/VJDEScnwHDsTtMmzpMszTKub>
14:31:26 <mizmo> can you see it? i dont know what it looks like in irc
14:31:39 <mleonova> I can
14:31:46 <mshakshober[m]> it looks pretty clear from my view
14:31:48 * mizmo uploaded an image: file1497450704536.jpg (317KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/dNrurwNDKxzMGFljeSTgcjEH>
14:31:50 <mleonova> it's fine
14:32:00 <mizmo> i think the pic isnt showing it sec
14:32:07 <mleonova> pretty good actually
14:33:00 * mizmo uploaded an image: file1497450759966.jpg (10658KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/GbSrYiSPsltHbKtbTpUozqSZ>
14:33:10 <mizmo> the letters are fuzzy, prolly not noticeable at a distance a poster would be read tho
14:33:49 <mleonova> mizmo, svg is there, we can always save it in higher res
14:34:06 <mizmo> yeh well im thinking
14:34:18 <mizmo> we should export at a higher res in A4 and US Letter
14:34:50 <mizmo> would be a good task for someone to pick up
14:35:08 <mleonova> mizmo, just export?
14:35:09 <mizmo> maybe, open the ticket up since his internship is over and find a volunteer to do the final touches?
14:35:25 <mleonova> sure, we can do that
14:35:37 <mizmo> mleonova: yeh, i think for US letter probably would require a crop at the bottom too
14:35:44 <mizmo> which might involve moving some things up just a bit
14:35:45 <mleonova> unless he finds time to do it, but we can ask
14:35:51 <mleonova> okay
14:39:44 <mizmo> sorry got a call
14:41:17 <mleonova> np)
14:45:34 <mizmo> hehe
14:45:46 <mizmo> a fun call, we're looing at potentially getting coloring books with sticker sheets inside produced
14:45:51 <mizmo> was talking to the vendor to see what they can do
14:46:00 <mleonova> oh cool =))
14:46:01 <mizmo> mleonova: do you know if he'd still be interested in working on it?
14:46:29 <mleonova> he has some school stuff going on, so maybe not? but I can't say for sure
14:46:51 <mizmo> well ill just write up what needs done and maybe email him and see if he's interested before opening up
14:47:40 <mleonova> ok, sounds good!
14:48:15 <fm-design> pagure.issue.comment.added -- duffy commented on ticket design#527: "Poster design for Fedora 26 Release Parties" https://pagure.io/design/issue/527#comment-444847
14:48:34 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/526
14:48:34 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/526"
14:48:37 <mizmo> this is the foldable flyer
14:48:49 <mizmo> looks like ryan picked it up
14:49:13 <mizmo> so i think no action needed
14:49:14 <mleonova> yeah
14:49:54 <mizmo> mleonova: https://pagure.io/design/issue/524
14:49:56 <mizmo> this is the pulp one
14:50:01 <mizmo> looks like some minor tweaks but mostly finished
14:50:13 <mleonova> it is!
14:50:28 <mleonova> almost done
14:50:37 <mizmo> ok no action needed, i think you're on it :)
14:50:37 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/520
14:50:38 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/520"
14:50:41 <mizmo> mshakshober: this one is yours!
14:50:46 <mizmo> i did have feedback on this one, i didnt get a chance to write up
14:51:15 <mizmo> so the first thing is the sponsor placement, they're kind of in the butt area?
14:51:25 <mizmo> i'd move them to maybe the sleeve? they can be smaller too
14:51:40 <mizmo> and the logo likely need more clear space between them, i know the red hat standards require a bit more margin than that
14:51:43 <mizmo> but having them all white looks good
14:52:21 <mshakshober[m]> I was considering that, I was just unsure if the screen print process would make it too expensive to do front, back and sleeve printing?
14:52:32 <mizmo> i think your instinct is right on the size of the design, having it large and centered is the right call
14:52:49 <mizmo> mshakshober: with it on the lower part, it's going to be 3 prints anyway - typically the screens only span 13" or so, so it's too far from the neck print to be one screen
14:53:09 <mizmo> (is suse a sponsor this year?)
14:53:10 <mshakshober[m]> oh gotcha!
14:53:27 <mizmo> i think the only official sponsor so far is red hat
14:53:56 <mizmo> maybe you could do the sponsor logos concert shirt style below the fedora logo? in two columns
14:54:05 <mizmo> if we had two lol. if red hat is the only sponsor we can probably drop it
14:54:10 <mizmo> so i think for this, maybe a wait and see approach.
14:54:15 <mshakshober[m]> oo i like that idea
14:54:23 <mshakshober[m]> in the event of multiple sponsors that is
14:54:34 <mizmo> ill message the flock-planning list to see if there's any more understanding about whether or not we will have sponsors and want a shirt and need sponsors on the shirt
14:55:11 <mizmo> anyway, this is a really nice design, i think people will love it :)
14:55:23 <mshakshober[m]> awesome! thanks :)
14:56:24 <mizmo> ok lets squeeze one more ticket in
14:56:34 <mizmo> ive been slow today sorry :( got calls during the meeting
14:56:45 <mshakshober[m]> no worries!
14:56:51 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/519
14:56:51 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/519"
14:56:54 <mizmo> flock 2017 banners
14:57:32 <mizmo> just pinging rietcatnor on it since its been a few weeks
14:57:42 <mizmo> one more :)
14:57:43 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/518
14:57:43 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/518"
14:57:46 <mizmo> Flock 2017 QR Scan Poster
14:58:09 <mizmo> mshakshober: theres no rush on this one, can be printed out the week before in august. i hope the feedback was helpful?
14:58:30 <mshakshober[m]> I started updating/ applying feedback on it yesterday so I'll be re-posting soon :)
14:58:48 <mizmo> ok great :)
14:59:21 <mshakshober[m]> I created a new version of the badge that goes with it and I'm basing the new design of it off of https://pagure.io/Fedora-Badges/issue/539
14:59:22 <mizmo> omg i love love love the latest lanyards too
14:59:30 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/516#comment-444170
14:59:31 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/516#comment-444170"
15:00:22 <mizmo> mshakshober: good thinking on the badge! i think the main thing about the latest design is it might need a little more contrast? mleonova could give better badge specific feedback tho
15:00:44 <mizmo> having the arcade box there is a great idea
15:00:44 <mshakshober[m]> ya I can see that
15:00:58 <mshakshober[m]> do  you think that there's too much happening?
15:01:07 <mleonova> mizmo, yeah! contrast definitely! and I emailed riecatnor, too, for her opinion
15:01:25 <mizmo> i dont, and the color palette is consistent with the other designs, but! i think the white areas in the other designs provide the contrast. this one doesnt have a lot of white in main graphic area
15:01:56 <mizmo> one thing you could do - whenever i struggled with layout on a badge i use a badger or a panda :)
15:02:16 <mizmo> you could get the monocled badger (i think he existed already as an asset) and have him playing a video game wearing a top hat
15:02:27 <mleonova> mizmo, oh lol =)
15:02:29 <mshakshober[m]> ok cool, so at least for the time being if I use some of the elements in the poster it'd be cool?
15:02:32 <mshakshober[m]> i like that!
15:03:07 <mshakshober[m]> i made a couple really cute arcade game SVGs so i'll see what i can do with a badger and that :)
15:03:28 <mizmo> oh sweet :)
15:03:36 <mizmo> ok so it sounds like you have some more ideas to play with here
15:03:48 <mshakshober[m]> yes! thank you!
15:04:09 <mizmo> if you just want to get it done, the easiest fix would probably be to thicken the white outlines on the arcade buttons and maybe give the keys an additional white outline or even color them white
15:04:11 <mizmo> to provide that contrast
15:04:27 <mizmo> (i dont fault anyone for just wanting to get something done lol, there are lots of fish to fry here :) )
15:04:34 <mizmo> but the badger could be fun
15:04:42 <mshakshober[m]> ok i'll see what i can make happen
15:04:47 <mizmo> and we do have time
15:05:01 <mizmo> awesome, :)
15:05:04 <mizmo> coo let's end meeting there then
15:05:29 <mizmo> #endmeeting