14:04:38 <mizmo> #startmeeting design-team
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14:04:38 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
14:04:42 <mizmo> (i do that every time lol)
14:04:58 <mizmo> #topic flock
14:04:58 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "flock" in #fedora-design
14:05:00 <mizmo> mshakshober: can you give us a status on the flock design tickets?
14:06:04 <mshakshober[m]> sure! so just about all of the designs are set. there's only two things that are kind of up in the air: shirts and blog banners
14:07:12 <mleonova> mshakshober[m], let's discuss T-shirts =)
14:07:14 <mshakshober[m]> getting the shirt design is pretty crucial right now, cuz the vendor said that they would need our order by tomorrow in order for the shirts to be ready for pickup on Monday the28th onsite before we would need to pay expediting fees
14:07:43 <mshakshober[m]> https://pagure.io/design/issue/520
14:07:44 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mshakshober[m] linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/520"
14:07:46 <mleonova> yeah! let's decide
14:07:49 <mizmo> mshakshober: what is blocking the shirts
14:08:37 <mleonova> mizmo, I was concerned about green outlines
14:08:39 <mshakshober[m]> mleonova and I were discussing shirt color/ which of the last two options was the best bet, and were hoping to have your guidance
14:08:45 <mleonova> yeah =)
14:08:59 * mizmo looks
14:10:09 <mizmo> mshakshober: those sponsor logos are way too big
14:10:44 <mizmo> mshakshober: im concerned about the shirt fabric color
14:10:51 <mizmo> mshakshober: are those the only two color opts?
14:11:30 <mshakshober[m]> ok i can scale down the sponsor logos. how about the size of the fedora logo? I'll post a screenshot of all of the different options for shirt colors, one sec!
14:13:57 <mshakshober[m]> the other colors are posted in the ticket
14:14:18 <mizmo> mshakshober: i see a screenshot in the ticket but the swatches are cut off
14:14:25 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/5d421ea410945e885fcae9cec70b54ef6cb37d954d91b6fc255b93a7d446cf2e-Screenshot_from_2017-08-08_10-59-19.png
14:14:25 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/5d421ea410945e885fcae9cec70b54ef6cb37d954d91b6fc255b93a7d446cf2e-Screenshot_from_2017-08-08_10-59-19.png"
14:14:41 <mizmo> do you know the brand / catalog thats from?
14:14:51 <mizmo> do they provide any pantone or cmyk values for the shirt colors?
14:16:15 <mshakshober[m]> the swatches should be visible on the right side of the screenshots, but I'll try to find the catalog that they are form
14:16:25 <mleonova> https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/8de5ae9d8f39719fa57eb4f18f9ab6f21263e6a1b89fd3f08405d0c79d2823fa-Screenshot_from_2017-08-10_10-12-09.png
14:16:25 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mleonova linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/8de5ae9d8f39719fa57eb4f18f9ab6f21263e6a1b89fd3f08405d0c79d2823fa-Screenshot_from_2017-08-10_10-12-09.png"
14:16:34 <mleonova> guess we're choosing from these?
14:16:55 <mleonova> all kinds of blue
14:17:16 <mshakshober[m]> yes! and then there should be two more screenshots too, and there are some more shades of blue there too
14:17:57 <mizmo> hm
14:17:58 <mshakshober[m]> http://www.capecodtextile.com/online-catalog/
14:17:58 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mshakshober[m] linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://www.capecodtextile.com/online-catalog/"
14:18:17 <mizmo> it would avoid a lot of potential print issues at this late date (since it's too late to have a proof) to just go with the one color version of the flock logo wouldn't it?
14:18:47 <mizmo> mshakshober: do you know the shirt brand / name the quote is based on?
14:19:37 <mizmo> im also suspecting going with a dark navy shirt and removing all dark and white outlines is going to be safer
14:19:51 <mizmo> it's better to drop a dark outline than to compound it with an additional white outline
14:19:52 <mshakshober[m]> the shirt is gildan G500 adult 5.3 oz T-shirt and the quote that I got was for three colors on the front and 3 on the back for $8 each
14:20:34 <mizmo> ok cool found it in the catalog
14:21:05 <mizmo> http://www.4logowearables.com/cgi-bin/hw/hwb/chw-prod-gallery.w?sr=G500&hwCN=197208212203201210201214205199166166211211207178211210180214205199201&hwCNCD=197208212203201210201214205199166166211211207178211210180214205199201&hwST=1
14:21:06 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://www.4logowearables.com/cgi-bin/hw/hwb/chw-prod-gallery.w?sr=G500&hwCN=197208212203201210201214205199166166211211207178211210180214205199201&hwCNCD=197208212203201210201214205199166166211211207178211210180214205199201&hwST=1"
14:22:03 <mizmo> http://www.mygildan.com/store/browse/colorGridSearch.jsp?colorStyleSelected=all&colorGroupSelected=all
14:22:03 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://www.mygildan.com/store/browse/colorGridSearch.jsp?colorStyleSelected=all&colorGroupSelected=all"
14:23:22 <mizmo> ok so gildan's color site has the RGB values for them
14:23:25 <mizmo> lemme open up design and check
14:23:52 <mizmo> mshakshober: im having trouble finding the latest svg, is it on here?
14:24:08 <mshakshober[m]> it should be, i'll check and repost if not
14:24:34 <mizmo> the most recent SVG i see is from 6-13
14:24:53 <mizmo> (for the front design)
14:24:59 <mshakshober[m]> ok, i'll post the with and without white outlines versions
14:25:01 <mizmo> unless im blind, which is totally within the realm!
14:25:02 <mizmo> kk
14:27:31 <mshakshober[m]> just posted em
14:28:01 * mizmo reloads
14:28:41 <mizmo> mshakshober: do you know if the quote is for 3 colors period, or did they look at the design specifically
14:29:14 <mizmo> i ask because, if we go to a darker shirt color to accomodate, it may add a color as they may need to do a white underlay to get the colors to show up
14:29:20 <mizmo> oh but white is already in it
14:29:24 <mizmo> so that shouldn't be the case
14:30:06 <mshakshober[m]> I sent him the 3-color  (teal, white, green) design from a few weeks ago when I last communicate with him so I believe that he looked at the design
14:30:33 <mizmo> ok so what blue swatches do we want to try
14:30:47 <mizmo> out of this http://www.4logowearables.com/cgi-bin/hw/hwb/chw-prod-gallery.w?sr=G500&hwCN=197208212203201210201214205199166166211211207178211210180214205199201&hwCNCD=197208212203201210201214205199166166211211207178211210180214205199201&hwST=1
14:31:00 <mshakshober[m]> carolina blue and light blue were the ones that I had been looking at
14:31:08 <mleonova_mtg> sapphire?
14:33:29 <mizmo> sapphire is pretty good. it's slightly more green in hue than fedora blue but thats ok its in keeping with the flock cod brand
14:33:34 <mizmo> carolina blue seems a bit too purple
14:33:47 <mizmo> it clashes with the aqua
14:34:31 <mizmo> light blue is kinda purple too
14:34:48 <mizmo> (ill test these via CMYK too, right now using the RGB)
14:35:26 <mshakshober[m]> want me to post the CMYK converted PDFs? I did test prints of the design to get the colors right
14:35:49 <mizmo> did you use the gildan cmyk values for the backgrounds?
14:36:31 <mshakshober[m]> until now, I hadn't known that there were cmyk/rgb values given, so not yet
14:36:55 <mizmo> try using them and see how they pan out. the cape cod catalog photo colors are drastically off from the color values
14:37:06 <mizmo> even between them and the gildan photos, definitely marked diffs
14:37:28 <mshakshober[m]> ya it seems it, from the ones that i'm testing on the side here...
14:38:40 <mizmo> heather sapphire is super close to fedora blue
14:40:26 <mshakshober[m]> sky looks kinda pretty with the design?
14:41:08 <mizmo> yeh sky looks good
14:41:47 <mizmo> tropical blue looks closest to the printout on your desk mshakshober
14:41:58 <mizmo> a tad darker but same hue
14:43:10 <mshakshober[m]> oh that does look good too
14:43:56 <mshakshober[m]> we would have to figure out the teal color situation, cuz it's quite close... i'll take a look at it with CMYK colors too
14:44:12 <mizmo> yeh we'd have to darken the deal in the print to work with tropical blue i think
14:45:14 <mshakshober[m]> the cmyk of it looks realllly green...
14:45:17 <mizmo> http://i.imgur.com/M46E1EA.png
14:45:17 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://i.imgur.com/M46E1EA.png"
14:45:20 <mizmo> thats what i got from rgb
14:45:42 * mizmo tries scribus
14:45:54 <mizmo> (note CMYK vals in inkscape aren't accurate you need scribus)
14:46:02 <mizmo> (and color mgmt mode turned on)
14:47:40 <mleonova_mtg> on this png I love how both sapphires look and the tropical blue
14:48:09 <mleonova_mtg> do you want to try the design with the outlined teal elements, too?
14:48:11 <mshakshober[m]> ahhh gotcha I'll consult scribus
14:51:15 <mizmo> i think the outline is too much
14:51:33 <mizmo> they're already outlined with the teal so adding another layer, i think its too many layers
14:51:42 <mizmo> it changes the graphic quality too much imho
14:53:52 <mizmo> mshakshober: what are you cmyk vals for the green and teal in the design?
14:54:37 <mshakshober[m]> teal is CMYK (47, 0, 8, 54) and green is CMYK (13,0,35,0)
14:54:51 <mizmo> perfect, thx!
14:56:32 <mshakshober[m]> I scribus tested a few and i think sky keeps to the pastel color scheme pretty nicely and the design seems to pop pretty decently... i'll share my findings!
14:57:20 * mshakshober[m] posted a file: shirt-check-sky.pdf (30KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JbwLamMnzjiDGVWMSeFDNRIq>
14:59:03 <mizmo> +1 that looks good
15:00:32 <mizmo> the teal is missing from the lighthouse tho
15:00:36 <mizmo> but i think it'd look good with it
15:01:23 <mshakshober[m]> oh that's weird... i think that's just a weird thing that happend when i was trying to convert colors fast, hang on  I'll fix that!
15:04:44 * mshakshober[m] posted a file: shirt-check-sky2.pdf (30KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/rjmryJPuQuRsaoDCkWERbPPr>
15:04:53 <mshakshober[m]> there we go!
15:07:23 <mizmo> looks good
15:07:28 <mizmo> ok now about the back -
15:08:36 <mizmo> 1) the fedora logotype should be white like the rest of the sponsors imho
15:08:50 <mizmo> is red hat 2x as big on purpose?
15:09:51 <mshakshober[m]> it was to represent hierarchy level of sponsorship (red hat is sponsoring more than the others)
15:12:43 <mizmo> mshakshober: what about suse vs rhel? same level?
15:13:04 <mshakshober[m]> yup, exactly! they were on the same level
15:14:19 <mizmo> mshakshober: and then capital one a tier down from that?
15:15:29 <mshakshober[m]> i was told that open suse, rhel, and capital one are on the same level of sponsorship but I just wasn't sure if they would all fit on one line
15:16:01 <mshakshober[m]> but if you want me to scale down those logos anyway, then maybe they will, capital one is just a rather long logo
15:17:46 <mizmo> so the RHEL logo has a long form that could balance the capital one https://brand.redhat.com/logos/productlogos/
15:19:41 <mizmo> so most t-shirt imprint areas are.... smtg like 10 x 12
15:21:35 <mshakshober[m]> ok cool, i found the page of all of the rhel logos and found the 2-line-longer version but it doesn't look available in SVG...
15:21:44 <mizmo> http://i.imgur.com/NOo9U5K.png
15:21:44 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://i.imgur.com/NOo9U5K.png"
15:22:07 <mshakshober[m]> oh cool, that looks good!
15:23:31 <mshakshober[m]> if you send me the SVG you made that with, I can do the scribus color stuff to get the fedora cmyk colors?
15:23:53 <mshakshober[m]> and then include it in the .zip that I send to the vendor with the front design
15:24:49 <mizmo> mshakshober: is this too weird? http://i.imgur.com/UXtDpUs.png
15:25:51 <mshakshober[m]> hmmmmm it's a little funky how wide the design goes maybe?
15:26:52 <mizmo> yep i had same instinct one sec
15:27:16 <mizmo> mshakshober: http://i.imgur.com/QgqO0Or.png
15:27:19 <mizmo> much better right?
15:27:25 <mizmo> you should send that to them as a placement mockup so they know
15:28:02 <mshakshober[m]> yes much better! and ya I'm definitely planning on on sending mockups of the front and back for placement
15:28:14 <mizmo> mshakshober: ok ill put the SVG on the ticket for ya
15:30:28 <mshakshober[m]> great! I'll put together the 'final' zip file of everything within the hour and send that your way before I send it to the vendor, since paul just told me that the quantity-size-breakdown might not be accurate but I should know by the end of the day
15:31:03 <mizmo> okay cool!
15:31:10 <mizmo> i guess ill end meeting lol
15:31:13 <mizmo> #endmeeting