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17:02:26 <mizmo> #topic f30 wallpaper
17:02:43 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
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17:02:45 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "f30 wallpaper" in #fedora-design
17:02:56 <mizmo> so we got some not so positive feedback about the beta wallpaper which i think is maybe a good reason to consider some updates or tweaks for final
17:03:14 <mizmo> i played around with it both in blender and gimp this morning but my blender skills aren't really where they need to be i think
17:03:25 <mizmo> i was hoping sam or micah would be around today
17:03:53 <gnokii> the interesting thing is why micah stopped, doesnt he have time?
17:05:04 <aday> it wouldn't hurt to ask jimmac
17:05:21 <mizmo> no sam grabbed the ticket, micah was just posting ideas
17:05:37 <mizmo> i think micah's first mockup is the favorite of a lot of folks tho including miro who gave us the feedback on beta
17:05:46 <gnokii> well, thats the point
17:05:57 <mizmo> what do you mean
17:06:25 <gnokii> that many saw this as more useable as the things sam played with
17:07:30 <mizmo> i think that's totally fine, it's hard to know how something will turn out until you try it
17:07:39 <mizmo> he had an idea in his head, maybe it's not working out, that's ok
17:07:55 <gnokii> you mean sam or micah?
17:07:59 <mizmo> sam
17:08:31 <gnokii> yes it doesnt work out, so tell him softly
17:08:46 <mizmo> sure, what i'll do is maybe send an email to both of them and give a rundown and see what they want to do
17:09:10 <mizmo> they both have some ownership over this, and i would like our decision on what to do be based on their input rather than blindsiding anybody
17:09:32 <mizmo> i know that micah lost his source for the first one that ended up being so popular
17:09:36 <gnokii> and please tell him not to upload each smallest of iteration, its not nice to make a comment in this ticket
17:09:49 <gnokii> takes hours to load all his uploads
17:10:12 <mizmo> im not going to say that because it's not an issue for me. try ticket #620 lol
17:10:21 <mizmo> i think its an issue with pagure right now
17:10:39 <mizmo> i wonder if we can hot link from imgur or something just for small previews
17:11:06 <gnokii> but for me is an issue, I really have to wait until everything is loaded to make an comment and he uploads all iterations and in the biggest size
17:11:16 <mizmo> it's not his fault. it's a problem with every ticket
17:11:24 <mizmo> so im not going to complain to him about it, bc what can he do
17:11:25 <gnokii> yes it is
17:11:28 <mizmo> no, it is not
17:11:56 <gnokii> ?
17:12:05 <mizmo> i was told bc of the same issue (but 100x worse) in ticket 620 that it's an issue with pagure
17:12:22 <mizmo> it didn't used to be that difficult, something changed. i think the pagure front end was redone recently so that might be why
17:13:07 <gnokii> whatever
17:13:17 <mizmo> not whatever
17:13:18 <mizmo> ok so re $TOPIC i'm going to reach out to sam and micah and see what they say
17:13:22 <mizmo> #topic triage
17:13:22 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "triage" in #fedora-design
17:13:30 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/628
17:13:30 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/628"
17:13:36 <mizmo> Portrait oriented wallpapers
17:13:58 <mizmo> i think he's interested particularly in supplemental not the default right?
17:14:29 <mizmo> i dont think he's talking about the default because he says "I think it would be nice to encourage our contributors to send photos with portrait orientation - and choose some of them for supplemental wallpapers."
17:14:51 <mizmo> i dont think he's looking continuous either just a one-shot
17:15:03 <mizmo> is this something supplementals can accommodate gnokii?
17:15:26 <gnokii> well ask pingou what the result of the gsoc student was, makes no sense to have just portrait uploads, when then we do it right otherwise the next one will knock the door and wants multi-desktop we already had this requests
17:16:47 <mizmo> we could just say no we're not doing multi-desktop, but allow portrait submissions for supplementals?
17:17:42 <gnokii> I dont see there any chance to get enough in good quality at all, not in this stage, we had not really many good uploads in landscape mode this time
17:18:02 <mizmo> yet omgubuntu writes an article about how they are the best ever :)
17:18:53 <gnokii> yeah, but the guy is not really a journalist, he also writes that on ubuntu most come from unsplash
17:18:56 <mizmo> what if we tried it next round on a trial basis and see what we get?
17:19:04 <gnokii> well on Fedora that is not different
17:19:41 <mizmo> what do you mean?
17:20:06 <gnokii> just figure out what the status of the gsoc project is and how much is missing to implement it, we did speak about how to organize there the uploads remember and we said have it always open
17:20:20 <mizmo> wasnt the gsoc project specifically for multi-monitor though?
17:20:48 <mizmo> having the option for a one shot wallpaper that's portrait instead of landscape seems a lot less complex than multimonitor
17:21:25 <mizmo> is there any actual technical blocker to not accepting landscape AND portrait uploads in nuancier, right now?
17:21:52 <gnokii> yes but this would solve his problem, he is the single guy who wants portrait, there are more interested in the multimonitor
17:22:18 <gnokii> there are as we look for the size
17:22:32 <mizmo> im assuming that's a simple config change then
17:22:42 <mizmo> and not involved UI work like multimonitor would be?
17:23:02 <gnokii> I don think so, there was some thinking how we make the size sure
17:23:20 <mizmo> you don't think it's a simple config change?
17:23:31 <mizmo> pingou, are you around?
17:24:06 <mizmo> its later for him, probably not
17:24:38 <mizmo> i think finishing / fixing the GSoC work is a whole involved dependency nobody is taking lead on right now that i am aware
17:25:00 <mizmo> but this request is a lot simpler than that
17:25:08 <gnokii> I dont see a single complained as so important as we have to do it for this guy only, to finally get multi-monitor setup added would be the better thing
17:25:28 <mizmo> i've definitely had other people tell me they use portrait on one of their monitors and wish we had portrait wallpapers
17:25:45 <mizmo> i dont know if anybody else has made a ticket on it before but it's not standalone feedback from my perspective
17:26:02 <mizmo> multimonitor setup would enable standalone portrait submissions as well?
17:26:19 <gnokii> sure there are a lot using second monitor in portrait
17:26:25 <mizmo> if so, we could just close the ticket and say the capability is pending the multimonitor feature in nuancier
17:26:28 <gnokii> jreznik eg
17:26:32 <mizmo> does that seem like a fair way to handle it?
17:26:35 <gnokii> yes
17:26:42 <mizmo> ok ill do that now
17:27:25 <gnokii> we need somebody takes over the development of nuancier from pingou to give him some air to breath and work on all his other tasks
17:30:36 <mizmo> i wonder if its something zach could do
17:30:42 <mizmo> snydez, around?
17:32:34 <mizmo> K_REY_C[m], are you around?
17:32:53 <mizmo> well im gonna move on for now
17:32:54 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/627
17:32:54 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/627"
17:33:03 <mizmo> May we have stickers for NeuroFedora please?
17:33:38 <mizmo> i'm just pinging tanvi for an update on this one, gave her feedback last triage and haven't heard back yet
17:33:50 <gnokii> well if the guy grabs the templates from stickermule and adds the needed space they could be done by now
17:34:11 <mizmo> no, stickermule doesn't have a template that would be diecut for the fedora neuro logo. their templates are circle, square, etc
17:34:17 <mizmo> he wanted something diecut
17:34:24 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/626
17:34:24 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/626"
17:34:26 <gnokii> they have templates
17:34:32 <mizmo> Fedora Loves Rust
17:34:46 <mizmo> gnokii, how could they possible have a template that would be a diecut match for the fedora neuro logo? that makes no sense
17:34:55 <mizmo> and heckling people with these kinds of comments on the tickets isn't helpful
17:35:11 <gnokii> https://www.stickermule.com/uk/templates
17:35:11 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- gnokii linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://www.stickermule.com/uk/templates"
17:35:54 <mizmo> thats a donkey example
17:36:05 <gnokii> mizmo: maybe this "template" tells what to watch for ;)
17:36:31 <mizmo> there is nothing in that template that you couldn't get just by looking at the margin and bleed requirements that don't necessitate downloading a zip file with an AI in it
17:37:14 <mizmo> the fedora loves rust sticker looks like its done so im just going to close the ticket
17:38:29 <gnokii> I think there is not just an ai in it
17:39:18 <mizmo> theres an AI, a pdf, a psd, and an eps. all that have the same information that can be had without downloading a > 10MB payload
17:39:41 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/624
17:39:42 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/624"
17:39:51 <mizmo> Design schedule tasks update
17:40:43 <mizmo> im not sure why "Update of the AppStream data" is a task on our schedule
17:41:53 <gnokii> what is AppStream data?
17:42:14 <mizmo> not really 100% sure lol
17:42:30 <mizmo> do you see anything else in the schedule that needs tweaking?
17:42:36 <mizmo> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-30/f-30-design-tasks.html
17:42:36 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-30/f-30-design-tasks.html"
17:42:43 <gnokii> I mean I understand what he wants but I cnt follow how you come to AppStream
17:43:21 <mizmo> i think maybe it's the banner for upgrading that shows up in gnome software
17:43:24 <gnokii> yes, I see
17:43:36 <mizmo> thats my guess though
17:44:12 <fm-design> pagure.issue.edit -- cverna edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-infrastructure#7630 https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/7630
17:44:28 <gnokii> I think we have to work in future one release ahead with the wallpaper
17:44:45 <mizmo> why?
17:45:17 <gnokii> I think its to short the time right now between the result of the voting and the start working
17:45:58 <mizmo> we started really late this time, not because of the schedule, because i had to take an extended vacation around christmas and was gone for maybe 6 weeks
17:46:01 <mizmo> then was sick
17:46:07 <mizmo> and nobody held meetings while i was out
17:46:10 <mizmo> which is fine
17:46:22 <mizmo> but moving the wallpaper back a release isn't going to fix the problem we had this time
17:46:28 <mizmo> and we didn't really have issues in recent releases
17:46:34 <gnokii> na, we started earlier as for F28
17:46:45 <mizmo> we started really late for f30
17:47:06 <mizmo> between the voting on the concept => anybody mocking anything up, it was a really long period of inactivity
17:47:12 <gnokii> no I did start right after the release
17:47:23 <mizmo> im talking about the actual artwork, not the concept
17:47:25 <gnokii> that yes
17:47:27 <mizmo> the concept was on time
17:47:35 <mizmo> the artwork didn't happen as it normally does because i was out
17:47:49 <mizmo> so that's the real problem
17:48:02 <mizmo> and i dont think doing artwork a release in advance will solve that issue
17:49:14 <mizmo> im just going to move on to the next issue
17:49:20 <gnokii> ok
17:49:24 <mizmo> https://pagure.io/design/issue/623
17:49:24 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/623"
17:49:31 <mizmo> T-Shirts and 8x11 Placards for Fedora 15th Aniversary
17:49:49 <mizmo> ok this one needs some work
17:50:00 <mizmo> oh terezahl was working on it
17:50:21 <mizmo> i think terezahl isn't going to be available for the next coupl eof weeks tho and the event is next month
17:50:24 <mizmo> so ill just do this one
17:52:10 <gnokii> btw. can we add mandatory of ticket from mindshare
17:52:13 <mizmo> i just emailed her about it to see if she has any assets and offered to take it over.
17:52:27 <mizmo> i dont think pagure gives us a way to do that
17:53:00 <mizmo> but this is just a simple print out anyway so it doesn't involve budget
17:54:25 <gnokii> tshirts?
17:55:01 <mizmo> no the ticket isn't for t-shirts now just the print out poster
17:55:08 <mizmo> he said he had a mindshare ticket but didnt get tshirt budget
17:55:09 <gnokii> aah ok
17:55:24 <mizmo> but yeh i agree 100% any t-shirt or $$ swag request needs a mindshare ticket for budget
17:55:36 <mizmo> i dont know if theres a way to enforce that in pagure though
17:55:37 * gnokii is scared that there is not a 15th years Fedora shirt at all
17:56:13 <mizmo> theres a dropdown for ticket type but it's kind of hidden and the default templtae isn't helpful
17:56:19 <mizmo> why are you scared about that?
17:57:49 <gnokii> F21 was the last Thank you for your contribution shirt
17:58:13 <mizmo> i think there's a hold on large scale swag purcahses right now on account of the new log
17:58:15 <mizmo> o
17:58:59 <gnokii> common that might be for the last months so lets say F28, there are still 7 versions inbetween
17:59:30 <mizmo> i dont really know
17:59:36 <mizmo> i gotta run i have another meeting i have to dial into
17:59:38 <mizmo> #endmeeting