17:02:15 #startmeeting design-team 17:02:15 Meeting started Tue Mar 12 17:02:15 2019 UTC. 17:02:15 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:02:15 The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:02:15 The meeting name has been set to 'design-team' 17:02:26 #topic f30 wallpaper 17:02:43 meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design 17:02:44 * backlogged by 40 messages 17:02:45 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "f30 wallpaper" in #fedora-design 17:02:56 so we got some not so positive feedback about the beta wallpaper which i think is maybe a good reason to consider some updates or tweaks for final 17:03:14 i played around with it both in blender and gimp this morning but my blender skills aren't really where they need to be i think 17:03:25 i was hoping sam or micah would be around today 17:03:53 the interesting thing is why micah stopped, doesnt he have time? 17:05:04 it wouldn't hurt to ask jimmac 17:05:21 no sam grabbed the ticket, micah was just posting ideas 17:05:37 i think micah's first mockup is the favorite of a lot of folks tho including miro who gave us the feedback on beta 17:05:46 well, thats the point 17:05:57 what do you mean 17:06:25 that many saw this as more useable as the things sam played with 17:07:30 i think that's totally fine, it's hard to know how something will turn out until you try it 17:07:39 he had an idea in his head, maybe it's not working out, that's ok 17:07:55 you mean sam or micah? 17:07:59 sam 17:08:31 yes it doesnt work out, so tell him softly 17:08:46 sure, what i'll do is maybe send an email to both of them and give a rundown and see what they want to do 17:09:10 they both have some ownership over this, and i would like our decision on what to do be based on their input rather than blindsiding anybody 17:09:32 i know that micah lost his source for the first one that ended up being so popular 17:09:36 and please tell him not to upload each smallest of iteration, its not nice to make a comment in this ticket 17:09:49 takes hours to load all his uploads 17:10:12 im not going to say that because it's not an issue for me. try ticket #620 lol 17:10:21 i think its an issue with pagure right now 17:10:39 i wonder if we can hot link from imgur or something just for small previews 17:11:06 but for me is an issue, I really have to wait until everything is loaded to make an comment and he uploads all iterations and in the biggest size 17:11:16 it's not his fault. it's a problem with every ticket 17:11:24 so im not going to complain to him about it, bc what can he do 17:11:25 yes it is 17:11:28 no, it is not 17:11:56 ? 17:12:05 i was told bc of the same issue (but 100x worse) in ticket 620 that it's an issue with pagure 17:12:22 it didn't used to be that difficult, something changed. i think the pagure front end was redone recently so that might be why 17:13:07 whatever 17:13:17 not whatever 17:13:18 ok so re $TOPIC i'm going to reach out to sam and micah and see what they say 17:13:22 #topic triage 17:13:22 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "triage" in #fedora-design 17:13:30 https://pagure.io/design/issue/628 17:13:30 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/628" 17:13:36 Portrait oriented wallpapers 17:13:58 i think he's interested particularly in supplemental not the default right? 17:14:29 i dont think he's talking about the default because he says "I think it would be nice to encourage our contributors to send photos with portrait orientation - and choose some of them for supplemental wallpapers." 17:14:51 i dont think he's looking continuous either just a one-shot 17:15:03 is this something supplementals can accommodate gnokii? 17:15:26 well ask pingou what the result of the gsoc student was, makes no sense to have just portrait uploads, when then we do it right otherwise the next one will knock the door and wants multi-desktop we already had this requests 17:16:47 we could just say no we're not doing multi-desktop, but allow portrait submissions for supplementals? 17:17:42 I dont see there any chance to get enough in good quality at all, not in this stage, we had not really many good uploads in landscape mode this time 17:18:02 yet omgubuntu writes an article about how they are the best ever :) 17:18:53 yeah, but the guy is not really a journalist, he also writes that on ubuntu most come from unsplash 17:18:56 what if we tried it next round on a trial basis and see what we get? 17:19:04 well on Fedora that is not different 17:19:41 what do you mean? 17:20:06 just figure out what the status of the gsoc project is and how much is missing to implement it, we did speak about how to organize there the uploads remember and we said have it always open 17:20:20 wasnt the gsoc project specifically for multi-monitor though? 17:20:48 having the option for a one shot wallpaper that's portrait instead of landscape seems a lot less complex than multimonitor 17:21:25 is there any actual technical blocker to not accepting landscape AND portrait uploads in nuancier, right now? 17:21:52 yes but this would solve his problem, he is the single guy who wants portrait, there are more interested in the multimonitor 17:22:18 there are as we look for the size 17:22:32 im assuming that's a simple config change then 17:22:42 and not involved UI work like multimonitor would be? 17:23:02 I don think so, there was some thinking how we make the size sure 17:23:20 you don't think it's a simple config change? 17:23:31 pingou, are you around? 17:24:06 its later for him, probably not 17:24:38 i think finishing / fixing the GSoC work is a whole involved dependency nobody is taking lead on right now that i am aware 17:25:00 but this request is a lot simpler than that 17:25:08 I dont see a single complained as so important as we have to do it for this guy only, to finally get multi-monitor setup added would be the better thing 17:25:28 i've definitely had other people tell me they use portrait on one of their monitors and wish we had portrait wallpapers 17:25:45 i dont know if anybody else has made a ticket on it before but it's not standalone feedback from my perspective 17:26:02 multimonitor setup would enable standalone portrait submissions as well? 17:26:19 sure there are a lot using second monitor in portrait 17:26:25 if so, we could just close the ticket and say the capability is pending the multimonitor feature in nuancier 17:26:28 jreznik eg 17:26:32 does that seem like a fair way to handle it? 17:26:35 yes 17:26:42 ok ill do that now 17:27:25 we need somebody takes over the development of nuancier from pingou to give him some air to breath and work on all his other tasks 17:30:36 i wonder if its something zach could do 17:30:42 snydez, around? 17:32:34 K_REY_C[m], are you around? 17:32:53 well im gonna move on for now 17:32:54 https://pagure.io/design/issue/627 17:32:54 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/627" 17:33:03 May we have stickers for NeuroFedora please? 17:33:38 i'm just pinging tanvi for an update on this one, gave her feedback last triage and haven't heard back yet 17:33:50 well if the guy grabs the templates from stickermule and adds the needed space they could be done by now 17:34:11 no, stickermule doesn't have a template that would be diecut for the fedora neuro logo. their templates are circle, square, etc 17:34:17 he wanted something diecut 17:34:24 https://pagure.io/design/issue/626 17:34:24 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/626" 17:34:26 they have templates 17:34:32 Fedora Loves Rust 17:34:46 gnokii, how could they possible have a template that would be a diecut match for the fedora neuro logo? that makes no sense 17:34:55 and heckling people with these kinds of comments on the tickets isn't helpful 17:35:11 https://www.stickermule.com/uk/templates 17:35:11 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- gnokii linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://www.stickermule.com/uk/templates" 17:35:54 thats a donkey example 17:36:05 mizmo: maybe this "template" tells what to watch for ;) 17:36:31 there is nothing in that template that you couldn't get just by looking at the margin and bleed requirements that don't necessitate downloading a zip file with an AI in it 17:37:14 the fedora loves rust sticker looks like its done so im just going to close the ticket 17:38:29 I think there is not just an ai in it 17:39:18 theres an AI, a pdf, a psd, and an eps. all that have the same information that can be had without downloading a > 10MB payload 17:39:41 https://pagure.io/design/issue/624 17:39:42 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/624" 17:39:51 Design schedule tasks update 17:40:43 im not sure why "Update of the AppStream data" is a task on our schedule 17:41:53 what is AppStream data? 17:42:14 not really 100% sure lol 17:42:30 do you see anything else in the schedule that needs tweaking? 17:42:36 https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-30/f-30-design-tasks.html 17:42:36 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-30/f-30-design-tasks.html" 17:42:43 I mean I understand what he wants but I cnt follow how you come to AppStream 17:43:21 i think maybe it's the banner for upgrading that shows up in gnome software 17:43:24 yes, I see 17:43:36 thats my guess though 17:44:12 pagure.issue.edit -- cverna edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-infrastructure#7630 https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/7630 17:44:28 I think we have to work in future one release ahead with the wallpaper 17:44:45 why? 17:45:17 I think its to short the time right now between the result of the voting and the start working 17:45:58 we started really late this time, not because of the schedule, because i had to take an extended vacation around christmas and was gone for maybe 6 weeks 17:46:01 then was sick 17:46:07 and nobody held meetings while i was out 17:46:10 which is fine 17:46:22 but moving the wallpaper back a release isn't going to fix the problem we had this time 17:46:28 and we didn't really have issues in recent releases 17:46:34 na, we started earlier as for F28 17:46:45 we started really late for f30 17:47:06 between the voting on the concept => anybody mocking anything up, it was a really long period of inactivity 17:47:12 no I did start right after the release 17:47:23 im talking about the actual artwork, not the concept 17:47:25 that yes 17:47:27 the concept was on time 17:47:35 the artwork didn't happen as it normally does because i was out 17:47:49 so that's the real problem 17:48:02 and i dont think doing artwork a release in advance will solve that issue 17:49:14 im just going to move on to the next issue 17:49:20 ok 17:49:24 https://pagure.io/design/issue/623 17:49:24 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/623" 17:49:31 T-Shirts and 8x11 Placards for Fedora 15th Aniversary 17:49:49 ok this one needs some work 17:50:00 oh terezahl was working on it 17:50:21 i think terezahl isn't going to be available for the next coupl eof weeks tho and the event is next month 17:50:24 so ill just do this one 17:52:10 btw. can we add mandatory of ticket from mindshare 17:52:13 i just emailed her about it to see if she has any assets and offered to take it over. 17:52:27 i dont think pagure gives us a way to do that 17:53:00 but this is just a simple print out anyway so it doesn't involve budget 17:54:25 tshirts? 17:55:01 no the ticket isn't for t-shirts now just the print out poster 17:55:08 he said he had a mindshare ticket but didnt get tshirt budget 17:55:09 aah ok 17:55:24 but yeh i agree 100% any t-shirt or $$ swag request needs a mindshare ticket for budget 17:55:36 i dont know if theres a way to enforce that in pagure though 17:55:37 * gnokii is scared that there is not a 15th years Fedora shirt at all 17:56:13 theres a dropdown for ticket type but it's kind of hidden and the default templtae isn't helpful 17:56:19 why are you scared about that? 17:57:49 F21 was the last Thank you for your contribution shirt 17:58:13 i think there's a hold on large scale swag purcahses right now on account of the new log 17:58:15 o 17:58:59 common that might be for the last months so lets say F28, there are still 7 versions inbetween 17:59:30 i dont really know 17:59:36 i gotta run i have another meeting i have to dial into 17:59:38 #endmeeting