12:30:45 #startmeeting Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17 12:30:46 Meeting started Fri Nov 17 12:30:45 2017 UTC. The chair is jonatoni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:30:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:30:46 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_team_2017-11-17' 12:30:46 meetbot.meeting.start -- jonatoni started meeting "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" in #fedora-diversity 12:30:57 #meetingname diversity 12:30:57 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 12:31:10 #topic Roll Call 12:31:10 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of jonatoni's "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting changed to "Roll Call" in #fedora-diversity 12:31:26 .hello2 12:31:27 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 12:32:23 .hello jflory7 12:32:24 jwf|matrix: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 12:32:27 .hello amsharma 12:32:29 Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' 12:32:31 Good morning! 12:32:38 Morning :) 12:32:38 .fas marianab 12:32:40 marianab[m]: marianab 'Mariana Balla' 12:32:51 Hey everyone :D 12:33:03 ping bee2502 x3mboy Rhea chhavi 12:33:19 Might be a minute for me to be ready… I literally woke up five minutes ago, hahah. For some reason, I had the meeting start time in another hour on my calendar 12:33:31 * jwf|matrix waves to marianab 12:34:00 * jonatoni Amita jflory7 marianab o/ 12:34:28 jwf|matrix hahaha nice way to start the day :P 12:34:35 with a fedora meeting :) 12:35:11 #chair amsharma jflory7 12:35:11 Current chairs: amsharma jflory7 jonatoni 12:35:14 jonatoni: Hahahahah, yes… only for Diversity Team ;) 12:35:30 jonatoni: Could you chair my Matrix nick? 12:35:36 yes sure 12:35:47 #chair jwf|matrix 12:35:47 Current chairs: amsharma jflory7 jonatoni jwf|matrix 12:35:52 Thanks! 12:35:56 yw :) 12:36:20 okay then we can continue 12:36:46 #topic Announcements 12:36:47 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of jonatoni's "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting changed to "Announcements" in #fedora-diversity 12:37:25 jwf|matrix Amita 12:37:39 do you want to share something 12:37:46 F27 released 12:37:58 we have our outreachy intern 12:37:59 yaaay 12:38:20 $name , $project you can announce 12:38:27 #info November 14th Fedora 27 was released 12:38:27 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- jonatoni raised a point of information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "November 14th Fedora 27 was released" 12:38:50 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-27/ 12:38:51 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jonatoni linked to more information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-27/" 12:39:14 I'm switching to my desktop. I'll be AFK for five minutes. No other announcements from me, that I can think of. 12:39:15 #info for this round of Outreachy we have two interns 12:39:16 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- jonatoni raised a point of information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "for this round of Outreachy we have two interns" 12:39:26 I'll also quiet the fm-diversity bot for the meeting when I'm on my deskroov 12:39:33 Desktop 12:40:15 #info Outreachy Interns for Fedora: Alisha Aneja (Project: 389 Directory Server: developing administrative tools) and Shaily (Project: Fedora Hubs: adding a full-text search feature). 12:40:16 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- jonatoni raised a point of information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "Outreachy Interns for Fedora: Alisha Aneja (Project: 389 Directory Server: developing administrative tools) and Shaily (Project: Fedora Hubs: adding a full-text search feature)." 12:40:29 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/41 12:40:30 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jonatoni linked to more information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/41" 12:41:25 Now that we have a new release it's time for parties :) 12:42:22 anything else or we can move on and start with tickets? 12:42:32 start tickets 12:43:10 #topic Tickets 12:43:10 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of jonatoni's "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting changed to "Tickets" in #fedora-diversity 12:44:15 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/45 12:44:15 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jonatoni linked to more information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/45" 12:44:34 Has everyone commented here? 12:44:46 it's related to Diversity stickers 12:45:53 * jonatoni everyone please leave a comment in the ticket#45 - FWD stickers 12:46:00 #chair jwf 12:46:00 Current chairs: amsharma jflory7 jonatoni jwf jwf|matrix 12:46:15 #ACTION everyone please leave a comment in the ticket#45 - FWD stickers 12:46:16 meetbot.meeting.item.action -- jonatoni noted an action in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "everyone please leave a comment in the ticket#45 - FWD stickers" 12:46:42 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/46 12:46:43 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- jonatoni linked to more information in the "Fedora Diversity Team 2017-11-17" meeting in #fedora-diversity: "https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/46" 12:47:05 #unchair jwf|matrix 12:47:05 Current chairs: amsharma jflory7 jonatoni jwf 12:47:12 Fedora Diversity Team Representative 12:47:21 jonatoni: What is the status on the stickers? 12:47:37 I fell behind on the ticket and there's a lot of comments… could you summarize what you want feedback on? 12:47:51 yep 12:48:04 .hello bee2502 12:48:20 #chair bee2502 12:48:20 Current chairs: amsharma bee2502 jflory7 jonatoni jwf 12:48:26 so it's a ticket opened to have smaller diversity stickers 12:48:36 Ohhh, to print more? 12:48:48 Oh, okay, I thought it was a continuation from FWD 12:48:53 no no 12:48:56 it's a new one 12:48:58 i don't think my comment is valuable for ticket #46 12:49:02 just to make the stickers smaller 12:49:04 I see 12:49:16 if we want more we need to open a nex ticket 12:49:28 Oh, this is for the design? Not to print more. 12:49:31 and in fact would be good to produce more 12:49:32 I understand then 12:49:51 jwf yes 12:50:00 I am +1 for 2 inch ones. 12:50:31 +1 for 2 inch stickers 12:50:40 for ticket #46 we have a new update 12:50:56 Oh, I was looking at the wrong ticket for #45. I left a comment for bexelbie in #45 12:51:03 I'm also positive for the smaller stickers 12:51:04 It pays to read… 12:51:08 * jwf goes to get coffee 12:51:57 Council charter from Diversity Advisor to Diversity Team Representative has been updated 12:52:11 should be live here Council charter from Diversity Advisor to Diversity Team Representative. 12:52:28 uhm sorry 12:52:32 let me find the link 12:52:54 https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/council/charter.html 12:52:59 #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/council/charter.html 12:53:47 I don't think that we have something else for ticket #46 12:54:07 jonatoni: As a note, if you enter a URL by itself in a message, zodbot automatically uses #link for it. :) 12:54:14 * jwf is looking for our ticket 12:54:31 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/46 12:54:45 * jonatoni jwf: ah, okay, thank you :) 12:55:24 anything else for ticket #46? 12:55:32 I think Brian's comment about choosing between Mindshare and Council is important 12:55:40 And I think it should come first before choosing a representative 12:55:53 Since some of us are involved with Mindshare in other roles 12:56:46 Do you all have thoughts on this? 12:57:01 uhm is this the ticket where we have the discussion 12:57:05 sorry I missed it 12:58:00 so this ticket is connected with #25 12:58:02 https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/25 12:58:36 I forgot to add there my opinion, but I can say that I agree with you jwf 12:58:43 One thing I realized now, since the Council added the charter to the official documentation – I guess we have a Council seat written in. To me, the question is if we really want to focus on Mindshare 12:59:05 Personally, I don't think Diversity should have a Mindshare seat and our representation in the project should be at the Council level. 12:59:29 What can we do with a mind share seat which we cannot do with a council representative? 12:59:36 I think it's better to focus only at one, and I agree it's better to have a representative at Council 13:00:00 I am fine with either, but it should happen sooner than later 13:00:14 iT has been a long time since we have this empty seat 13:00:21 what is the next step here 13:00:35 I am strongly -1 on having two representatives in both council and mindshare coz of our team size. 13:00:43 first we should have our candidate ready 13:00:56 Amita +1, we need to make this happen soon. 13:01:07 yes I agree too 13:01:07 @bee2502: That's what I was asking too. The Mindshare initiative focuses on connecting the non-technical parts of the project together and helping prevent duplication of efforts. Council is a higher-level leadership body in the project, and I think our input there is more valuable than on Mindshare. robyduck also mirrored my thoughts in his reply in #25. 13:01:26 So, then let's put it to a vote? 13:01:37 +1 for Council seat for Diversity representative 13:01:58 +1 for anything which will happen soon (rather than one another year) 13:02:05 How long will tenure be for one person in council seat? 13:02:08 +1 for Council seat for Diversity representative 13:02:18 Will it be one release cycle or 2? 13:02:21 @bee2502 Two release cycles is the norm, but I think it's up to us to really decide 13:02:30 I figure we should just follow the norm and do two cycles, so one year 13:02:47 yes it's better two cycles 13:03:03 Vote, going once… 13:03:04 +1 for council seat, we will be able to have more impact. 13:03:10 Going twice… 13:03:15 Going thrice… 13:03:27 #agreed for Council seat for Diversity representative 13:03:35 we have four votes 13:03:44 #agreed Diversity Representative will serve for two release cycles (i.e. one year) at a time 13:03:55 Who is interested in this position? 13:04:52 I feel that we/our representative could still participate in mindshare meetings.. 13:05:07 bee2502 sure 13:05:18 @bee2502: I think I remember robyduck encouraging that too :) 13:05:46 I'll be up front and say that I am not interested in this position, just because I don't think I can make the time commitment 13:05:51 Are any of you? 13:06:05 I need to think 13:06:12 For ? 13:06:17 me too 13:06:31 we need more time to think about it 13:06:48 Exactly jonatoni 13:06:53 and that is how time goes by.. 13:06:55 in the meantime we can open a ticket 13:07:02 let's put a timeline to do it 13:07:07 yes 13:07:07 @vyaspranjal33 seat for diversity representative on council 13:07:18 open a ticket, nominate and vote there within next 15 days 13:07:27 +1 13:07:40 Amita, nominate by next meeting and vote in meeting. 13:07:45 Haha u said it already 13:07:48 Slow net 13:07:51 +1 13:07:51 I can do the ticket follow-up. 13:08:00 jwf++ 13:08:00 jonatoni: Karma for jflory7 changed to 6 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:08:01 #action jwf Update tickets #25, #46 with discussion 13:08:08 Oh, yeah, new karma cookies!! 13:08:14 #undo 13:08:14 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jwf at 13:08:01 : jwf Update tickets #25, #46 with discussion 13:08:29 #action jwf Update tickets #25, #46 with meeting discussion about Diversity Representative, open new ticket for call for nominations 13:08:40 Sorry I'm not actively participating right now. 13:08:44 yaaay :) 13:08:51 +1 to voting in the next meeting 13:08:56 happy to see that we are moving forward with this case :) 13:09:13 * jonatoni Rhea o/ 13:09:25 okay, I think we can move on 13:09:26 Rhea: No worries. It's a busy time, this part of the year. 13:09:30 +1 for next ticket 13:09:53 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/43 13:10:21 jwf so the last time we said that you will work on a template 13:10:43 Oh! I do have one, actually. 13:11:04 the one you did for commops, right? 13:11:07 I would love to help 13:11:09 Here, I have a few updates for this ticket. 13:11:46 #info Earlier this week, the pending FAS group invitations were reviewed and all pending members were sent a personal email explaining why their application was rejected, and how to get involved with the team 13:12:18 @bee2502 let me know the procedure 13:12:23 #info An email template exists so anyone in the team can send these emails; HOWEVER, it needs to be moved somewhere for Diversity instead of the CommOps toolbox 13:12:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/toolbox/blob/master/f/email-templates/fas-applications/diversity/fas/diversity-pending-application-rejected.md 13:12:33 13:12:42 thanks jwf 13:13:23 anything pending for this ticket? 13:13:44 jonatoni: I think I can close this out and work on migrating it over to the Diversity repo 13:13:48 I'll action myself 13:14:03 great, thanks :) 13:14:09 #action jwf Put updates into #43 about FAS group application template, close ticket as complete 13:14:17 13:14:20 +1 for next ticket. :) 13:14:23 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/41 13:14:28 Outreachy Intern 13:14:49 @vyaspranjal33 so this ticket is almost completed as jwf just actioned himself the last item. 13:14:55 as we mentioned even in the beginning we have two Outreachy Interns 13:15:00 But you can work on others.. 13:15:18 Amita who will work on the article? 13:15:24 you or chhavi? 13:15:33 Chhavi said she wanted to 13:15:37 so I stepped back 13:15:48 @vyaspranjal33: I'll try to go through our tickets and mark the ones that are good for starting out too. :) We have an "easyfix" tag that is helpful for the good tickets to start on. 13:16:48 #action chhavi will work on the article for the two Outreachy Interns we have for Fedora 13:17:18 I don't think that we have something else pending here 13:17:23 moving on 13:18:50 * jonatoni is trying to find the FWD ticket 13:19:35 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/32 13:19:46 so I will action myself here 13:20:12 I will work on the article during the weekend 13:20:36 Amita have you finished your FWD report? 13:20:54 I need to finish mine too, for FWD in Tirana and Prishtina 13:20:56 jonatoni, my other speaker did 13:21:01 I think that should be fine 13:21:11 jonatoni: Before actioning to chhavi_, I might follow up with her offline, since she isn't in the meeting today. 13:21:20 I am extremely sorry due to internet issue can't continue 13:21:31 * jwf rarely sees action items for meetings he isn't able to make 13:21:37 Amita please can you add the link at the wiki page 13:21:46 so I can collect it with the others 13:21:50 for the final article 13:22:05 jwf okay, thanks, please let us know what will she say 13:22:13 Hii 13:22:14 jwf this action item was given in last meeting , where she was present 13:22:22 jonatoni, ok sure 13:22:24 jonatoni: It would be awesome if you got that done over the weekend. :) Will be nice to close this one out and wrap it up for the year. 13:22:28 I just realized our meeting is going on. 13:22:34 #action jonatoni to write FWD reports and the final article 13:22:45 chhavi_: No worries. That was me when I woke up this morning, looked at my phone, and realized it was happening :D 13:23:01 jwf yes, definitely, sorry for being late 13:23:02 * jwf had it set to start an hour later than it did in his calendar, not sure when that happened 13:23:08 chhavi_ hello 13:23:26 I can do othe article :) IHow do I get in touch with our two interns? 13:23:33 hi jonatoni :D 13:23:39 jonatoni: No worries. It happens. If we can get the summary article out next week, that will be close enough. 13:24:07 I'll look up their emails in private / outside of the meeting logs 13:24:11 And send it to you, chhavi_ 13:24:13 chhavi_ I think you can find them on IRC 13:24:14 jwf: I am still lost with the timings. But I guess nect week should be good. sorry about today everyone! 13:24:19 thanks jwf 13:24:33 something else pending from FWD? 13:24:42 all bills are done? 13:24:58 I need to submit Pune one , that is pending on my part 13:25:17 I need to do the same for my invoices 13:25:36 other tickets have been paid 13:25:46 and we have the reports too 13:25:58 I think the last two items for FWD are the blog posts and clearing out any remaining reimbursement requests. 13:26:24 I will take care to finish them 13:26:36 I think that's all from FWD 13:26:37 #info All that's left for Fedora Women Day 2017 efforts is (1) the summary article for all FWD events on the CommBlog (jonatoni), and (2) filing any remaining reimbursement requests 13:26:52 jonatoni: Do you want to set a deadline / due date for the first draft? 13:26:52 moving on 13:26:58 * jwf thinks a definite date will help us keep on track 13:27:25 jonatoni: I can also help with editing 13:27:26 jwf I will work on this during the weekend so on Monday the draft will be ready 13:27:29 * jwf nods 13:27:32 jwf, then we should be doing it for all the actions given in the meeting 13:27:37 jwf yaay, thanks :) 13:27:39 did we do it for all the action items? 13:27:50 nope 13:27:59 #action jonatoni Complete a first draft of the article for FWD by Monday, Nov. 20 (jwf to help with review) 13:28:21 okay moving on, because we are a bit late 13:28:33 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/35 13:28:42 Fedora Diversity Team T-shirt 13:29:02 Amita: It would be a good practice to follow, but I can't remember all the time. :) 13:29:39 jwf, would be fair to remember for all or for none 13:29:42 hmm I was checking the comments and I see that Brian asked us a question 13:30:07 Amita: I don't really agree with that. :P Not everything is easy to track with a date, like if something is short-term or long-term 13:30:12 I'm reading through the ticket now. 13:30:45 jwf, FWD article == Outreachy article, but we set deadline only for one 13:30:48 so he is asking that what is the criteria to take one tshirt 13:31:08 he is asking for 1. Design 13:31:29 2. What should be the drive 13:31:34 Amita: Then we set one too, I was trying to do too many things at once and forgot. We can revisit at open floor so we don't go off-topic now. 13:32:26 jwf, it is always good if it comes from the person who is doing it, giving some flexibility 13:32:43 jonatoni, the design which we shared last time, was for FWD 13:32:46 which is over now 13:32:53 so we need another design 13:33:01 yes Amita, that's why i said we need to modify it 13:33:18 jonatoni, so I think we can comment in the same design ticket - reopen it 13:33:24 or do we need to have a new one 13:33:29 we can open a new design ticket about it, using the same idea 13:33:35 I think a new one would be better 13:33:40 the ticle can be confusing 13:33:51 and we can point at the old ticket 13:33:53 jonatoni, ok, a fresh start (always good), we can use a referance 13:34:03 yes 13:34:05 +1 13:34:49 Yeah, a new task should be a new ticket 13:35:04 Who will file that? 13:35:21 I can do it 13:35:28 jonatoni++ 13:35:28 Amita: Karma for jonatoni changed to 2 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:36:26 #action jonatoni will open a design ticket for the Diversity Team t-shirts 13:36:47 jonatoni, but design should be according to the drive 13:36:54 saw bexelbie's questions :) 13:37:02 the other question is: the t-shirt will be to drive impact or to recognize team members 13:37:09 "I am not opposed to team t-shirts, however my understanding was that the t-shirt was to drive impact not recognize team members. Has this changed?" 13:37:15 jonatoni, lol 13:37:16 yes 13:37:23 that is the biggest question 13:37:31 so we need to know first what is the t-shirt for 13:37:38 yes 13:37:41 then we can decide on design 13:37:57 totally agree 13:38:04 thoughts about this? 13:38:06 one for just the team, does not make much sense 13:38:50 I think, we can print them and share during diversity events 13:38:59 with our speakers etc 13:39:06 Who will receive this 13:39:07 that can be one way 13:39:20 jonatoni++ Thanks for taking on the new ticket :) 13:39:21 jwf: Karma for jonatoni changed to 3 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:39:27 bee2502, receive what? 13:39:28 bee2502 that's the question 13:39:45 Amita the t-shirt 13:39:51 Amita t-shirts 13:39:52 bee2502, you mean printed t-shirts order or you mean how will we distribute? 13:39:52 +1: [08:38:50] I think, we can print them and share during diversity events 13:39:54 jwf yaaay, more cookies :) 13:40:18 Amita I think she means the criteria who will get a tshirt 13:40:38 based on what we will give them to the contributors 13:40:39 ok, so idea is -> we can print them and share during diversity events 13:40:48 to the speakers 13:40:50 For event speakers, I would prefer event specific tshirts 13:40:52 who help organizing 13:40:53 etc 13:41:11 I think it should be similar to how t-shirts are often distributed at Ambassador events. They're not as cheap as stickers, so usually we give thought to how we distribute and share them. For general Diversity events, we can bring some to other events or relevant conferences we attend 13:41:12 bee2502, then we will need to print for all the events with different design 13:41:33 +1 to jwf's thought 13:41:34 For example, I think it would be cool for something like Open Source Summit and the Women's Lunch there to bring a couple of t-shirts to shar 13:41:38 * share 13:41:48 * Amita nods 13:41:49 yes 13:41:58 Amita I think we should have the same design 13:42:02 not different one 13:42:04 If we do a big event like FWD, we can always design a new shirt 13:42:07 how do you know what size would be good for those events ? 13:42:14 I agree with jwf 13:42:36 misc: Nope, this is something we'd need to research, or at least get a ballpark estimate for how many to order 13:42:46 Although I imagine bexelbie will be most happy if this happens in this FY :) 13:43:00 What else do we need to decide for this ticket? 13:43:19 design 13:43:29 number 13:43:30 Ahhh, I lost track of the time! I'm sorry all, I really need to head out for my commute this morning. :( I'm going to spend the rest of my time updating tickets, then I'll be out for the rest of the day. 13:43:33 size 13:43:52 If you need anything from me, please ping me (after the meeting if it's in this channel). 13:43:55 and then where we want to print them 13:44:06 I think we should have same design, like we have Fedora Proud User tshirts 13:44:11 +1 13:44:16 bye jwf :) 13:44:17 Since I'm leaving, I'm going to unquiet fm-diversity or else I'll forget how to unquiet :P 13:44:26 different design for smaller numbers will cost much more 13:44:34 than having same design more numbers 13:44:56 If we are producing t-shirts to distribute during events, why are we not producing other swag instead of tshirt? We might be able.to get more swag for same budget if we do something smaller like pens etc.. 13:45:07 thanks for joining jwf and have a nice day 13:45:23 Have a nice day jwf.. 13:45:48 bee2502, last time too we wanted t-shirts and you came up with this same idea, and we ended up having stickers 13:46:08 @bee2502 which ticket have my mention 13:46:11 I think it is good to have t-shirt this time 13:46:35 next year, we can have more swags 13:46:42