15:00:10 #startmeeting Fedora Diversity & Inclusion Team (2019-06-17) 15:00:10 Meeting started Mon Jun 17 15:00:10 2019 UTC. 15:00:10 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:10 The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:10 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_&_inclusion_team_(2019-06-17)' 15:00:13 #meetingname diversity 15:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 15:00:17 #nick di-team 15:00:21 #topic Agenda 15:00:26 you just need a good social media hash tag and tell people to use it if they want to submit their phttos 15:00:36 and then check twitter and instagram 15:00:38 #info (1) Roll call / introductions 15:00:38 #info (2) Announcements 15:00:38 #info (3) Action items from last meeting 15:00:38 #info (4) Tickets 15:00:38 #info (5) Open floor 15:00:46 meskarune, yeah 15:00:47 #topic Roll call / introductions 15:01:01 Hello! Hola! Good morning, good afternoon, good evening! 15:01:02 .hello amsharma 15:01:03 amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' 15:01:05 .fas lbazan 15:01:06 LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' 15:01:10 .hello tatica 15:01:12 tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 15:01:16 .hello meskarune 15:01:16 .hello lbazan 15:01:17 meskarune: meskarune 'Dolores Portalatin' 15:01:20 LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' 15:01:41 .hello pyadav 15:01:42 pyadav: pyadav 'Pooja Yadav' 15:02:05 .hellomynameis jflory7 15:02:05 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 15:02:09 .hello nkathole 15:02:13 nkathole: Sorry, but you don't exist 15:02:18 hello from telegram, I am Bee (FAS: bee2502 ) 15:02:24 #chair amita LoKoMurdoK tatica meskarune pyadav nkathole bee2502 15:02:24 Current chairs: LoKoMurdoK amita bee2502 jwf meskarune nkathole pyadav tatica 15:02:32 nkathole: That isn't very nice of zodbot! 15:02:37 Rhea: howdy 15:02:39 :/ 15:02:51 yeah, not a nice message to say 15:03:15 probably I should look for code of it :) 15:03:19 it could be "username does not exist" or something 15:04:03 anyways, welcome everyone 15:04:05 or "fas account not found" 15:04:22 jwf, let's start with agenda please? 15:04:29 Source code is here: https://github.com/fedora-infra/supybot-fedora 15:04:40 thanks jwf 15:04:43 Before we jumped into the agenda, I thought now would be a good time for folks to introduce themselves to the group! 15:04:52 Since we have a lot of new folks around :) 15:05:00 o/ 15:05:13 Does everyone mind giving a short intro so we all know who each other are? 15:05:27 worksforme 15:05:46 but have a hard stop in 30 mins 15:05:46 Hello everyone! 15:05:54 tatica, from Venezuela. Old contributor starting again, or at least hoping to :) 15:06:17 glad to see you back :D 15:06:21 I'm Justin. I've contributed to Fedora since 2015, and helped with the D&I Team since 2016. Today I mostly focus on community work in Fedora but outside of Fedora, I work in SRE / DevOps type of field. I'm finishing my undergrad degree this December. 15:06:34 amita: Understood! 15:06:40 recursedd: Hi, welcome! 15:06:42 #chair recursedd 15:06:42 Current chairs: LoKoMurdoK amita bee2502 jwf meskarune nkathole pyadav recursedd tatica 15:07:19 LoKoMurdoK, from Panama (Luis Bazan). 2011 start in fedora :-) 15:07:38 Amita, old Fedora contributor, from India, was second diversity advisor, works as Project manager in Red Hat and try to contribute to Fedora as time permits (a mother of 6 years old too) 15:07:51 https://github.com/fedora-infra/supybot-fedora/pull/63 15:08:01 I am Dyuti. I stay in NC, US. I am coming back to the meetings after some time. Hoping to get started well this time. I started with Fedora last year. :) 15:08:26 I am Pooja from India. Fedora contributor from last three years. Excited to be a part of this team :) 15:08:53 Hello, 'Im Bee from Germany. I've contributed to Fedora since 2015, and am involved with the D&I Team since 2016. Glad to have everyone here! 15:09:16 ummm... I am just Susan, long-time Fedora user, and I am idling in a lot of channels including this one :-D Working in infosec in czech republic. Don't mind me, I'll leave if you're planning something like the world domination or so :-) 15:09:27 * jwf waves to everyone 15:09:41 susancalavera: Nope, you're welcome to hang out here with us :) 15:09:54 lol 15:10:02 haha 15:10:04 Hello everyone, I am Nikhil, from India. Started looking into fedora from past few months. Currently works as QE for Foreman at Red Hat. Glad to be part of team! 15:10:23 Super exciting to see all the old and new faces! 15:10:31 Hi, the name is Radka Janekova (aka Rhea Ayase) - I'm .NET Core Quality Engineering Lead at Red Hat, also a member of Diversity Advisory for Czech Republic. Among other things, I take care of all kinds of user-communities around Fedora. I've been around, then I wasn't, now I don't know. 15:10:44 Thanks Rhea for fast action 15:10:54 Rhea++ 15:10:54 amita: Karma for rhea changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:11:10 #chair susancalavera Rhea 15:11:10 Current chairs: LoKoMurdoK Rhea amita bee2502 jwf meskarune nkathole pyadav recursedd susancalavera tatica 15:11:27 Great to see everyone here :) 15:11:35 With that, I think we can go ahead and get started! 15:11:36 #topic Announcements 15:12:01 I was going to highlight some of the sessions proposed to Flock: 15:12:22 #info === Current sessions proposed from D&I Team for Flock === 15:12:35 #link https://pagure.io/flock/issue/111 15:12:49 #link https://pagure.io/flock/issue/115 15:13:00 #link https://pagure.io/flock/issue/116 15:13:40 #link https://pagure.io/flock/issue/166 15:13:45 #link https://pagure.io/flock/issue/167 15:14:17 amsharma++ LoKoMurdoK++ tatica++ Thanks all for proposing the sessions! 15:14:18 jwf: Karma for amsharma changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:14:21 jwf: Karma for lbazan changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:14:24 jwf: Karma for tatica changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:14:33 These are all the announcements I have for now. 15:14:54 Does anyone else want to share anything before moving to tickets? 15:15:11 do we want to share the survey results of last FWD 15:15:13 * jwf doesn't know if we have any unresolved action items from last time since our last meeting was a while ago 15:15:35 jwf, you can refer the last meeting doc 15:15:38 let me share the link 15:16:06 amita: Nice idea. 15:16:08 jwf, amita https://docs.google.com/document/d/18w4yAfeTni88uSMVIrRJPc2nD1RzboijebbIZuDGxU0/edit#heading=h.nftn9qk9q4z5 15:16:19 Here is the feedback nkathole compiled from last year's FWD events worldwide: 15:16:21 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/diversity@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/BRLPDPZ4HQ7ULJPWHXDTVMHSQKYXP3MV/ 15:16:22 I should mention I guess that RH formed diversity advisory group in Brno office, which may be helpful with relevant events. (FWD etc) 15:16:57 Rhea: Oh awesome! That is good to know. 15:17:12 jwf, last meeting mins doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FgLp-m-Akts1_d4oShJtbZe23X60PqUnvA8rGdp7uSs/edit 15:17:13 flock tickets: 111 - International candy swap, 115 - hackfest, 116 - slideshow karaoke, 166 - coffee among friends hack session, 167 - speak a non-english language 15:17:20 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FgLp-m-Akts1_d4oShJtbZe23X60PqUnvA8rGdp7uSs/edit 15:17:35 #info Red Hat office in Brno recently formed a diversity advisory group (might be helpful for event outreach, e.g. FWD) 15:18:00 Rhea, who is the contact person or any mail ID? 15:18:04 Imo Flood-Murphy is heading the group, there are 10-ish (iirc) members. You can always get in touch with me, or Imo (imogenfm@redhat.com) 15:18:24 ok, thanks 15:18:29 Other kinds of things (mailing list etc) are still being worked out :) 15:18:39 Sure 15:18:57 Thanks for the agenda link. I don't see any action items to follow up on laid out, so maybe it is better to start fresh with the agenda Bee compiled based off of the last meeting :) 15:19:10 So we can go ahead and jump into the main topics 15:19:44 Sure, please go ahead 15:19:48 Rhea: Thanks for sharing! 15:19:48 #topic Tickets 15:19:56 Aaaand... Pride Month. Fedora user communities that I'm involved in, (together with other linux/floss communities) have been showing their pride in LGBTQ+ by changing our logos and adding pride flags into the background. 15:20:17 Rhea++ That's awesome and worth noting :) 15:20:19 jwf: Karma for rhea changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:20:22 #undo 15:20:22 Removing item from minutes: 15:20:37 #info Pride Month. Fedora user communities that Rhea is involved in, (together with other linux/floss communities) have been showing their pride in LGBTQ+ by changing our logos and adding pride flags into the background. 15:20:40 #topic Tickets 15:20:59 So I tried to put together the tickets we would cover based off of Bee's agenda. Here is the link: 15:21:08 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&priority=20 15:21:29 I think we can start with FWD first, although this is the one I am least up-to-speed on 15:21:43 is there already an artwork for Pride Month? 15:21:49 nkathole / pyadav, do one of you want to lead the discussion here since you have been working on this? 15:22:14 jwf, sure 15:22:22 Awesome. The floor is yours pyadav :) 15:22:31 #topic FWD 2019 - https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/94 15:22:49 nkathole worked on gathering the feedback from last year event 15:23:08 pagure.issue.comment.added -- meskarune commented on ticket fedora-diversity#75: "Update community image on start.fedoraproject.org" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/75#comment-576520 15:23:36 I have created a document for Call for Proposals for FWD-2019, its open for review 15:24:06 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zn2Adkn-DPz1tIuiMdGXq2A7xU2wTxCoJ1YQuJ_pmfQ/edit 15:24:36 Once it is reviewed we can publish it and we are planning to set this year goals based on the feedback received 15:24:38 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f3UN8a4ARL3eLNKVmTa664RYgs2N28MrFqE_YspZYaM/edit# 15:24:49 pyadav: Super. The plan is to publish this on the Community Blog? 15:25:10 amita, nkathole please add if I am missing something 15:25:11 Magazine would be better? 15:26:00 magazine should have a higher audience 15:26:08 amita: I think CommBlog is better for targeting contributors and has lower barriers to publishing 15:26:09 jwf, I don't have much idea where can publish it for a broader audience, you guys suggest 15:26:16 ? 15:26:17 The Magazine focuses more intently on user audience 15:26:41 We can get some social media coverage out to go along with it :) 15:26:50 +1 for community blog and social media coverage 15:26:51 Last time we did it on commblog> 15:26:56 ? 15:26:59 commblog +1 15:27:13 pyadav++ Awesome work on getting this draft put together btw! I appreciate the time and effort here :) 15:27:15 jwf: Karma for pyadav changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:27:28 jwf, thanks :) 15:27:29 yupp, pyadav++ 15:27:30 amita: Karma for pyadav changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:27:44 pyadav: Do you think you could take an action item for this week to ask for feedback on the D&I mailing list? That might invite a few more eyes to look at the draft 15:27:54 Then we can aim to move a draft into the CommBlog by Monday, June 24 15:28:01 Yes, we did it on commblog last year 15:28:04 Does that sound like a plan? 15:28:11 jwf, sure I will take that up 15:28:17 Super :) 15:28:48 #action pyadav Send out a call for feedback on FWD CFP article draft on D&I mailing list, with deadline of Monday, June 24 15:28:49 +1 15:29:04 Super 15:29:16 Also, has anyone taken a look at the ticket tracker yet for FWD? 15:29:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/fedora-womens-day 15:30:04 Just to share, we have plan to use taiga as well https://tree.taiga.io/project/amita-fedora-women-day-2019/timeline 15:30:14 It would be a good idea to get this set up and ready for this year. I think mostly we need to add a new milestone for the Pagure roadmap for new tickets 15:31:05 Oh! And probably write a new example ticket so event owners have an example to see 15:31:44 Does anyone want to take on this task of writing a new example ticket for FWD 2019? 15:32:12 I can help with a draft 15:32:12 I will do that 15:32:19 pyadav, go ahead better :D 15:32:43 :) 15:32:49 brb 15:32:55 tatica, sure I can take your help for the draft :) 15:32:56 sorry need to step out for a while 15:33:03 pyadav, :D 15:33:04 amita: Okay! 15:33:19 tatica: If you'd like, you could take this task since pyadav is working on the CommBlog article already? 15:33:27 Might help to split things up a bit :) 15:33:41 yeah, that a good idea +1 15:33:43 works for me 15:33:47 Awesome 15:34:05 tatica: Does next Monday sound like a good target? That way, the example should be ready by the time the CommBlog article publishes :) 15:34:29 It might be ready sooner, but lets set monday as well just in case 15:35:03 #action tatica Write a new FWD 2019 example proposal in the Pagure issue tracker by Monday, June 24 to give event owners an idea of what a good proposal looks like (https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/fedora-womens-day/issues) 15:35:23 nkathole: Oh also thanks for sharing the Taiga board! That might also be a good thing to highlight on the mailing list, I didn't catch this until now :) 15:35:53 pyadav++ tatica++ Thanks for stepping up here :) 15:36:03 I think for now, this is enough to cover for FWD 15:36:25 Anyone else want to bring FWD topics up, or are we ready to move to Flock 3019? 15:36:28 s/3019/2019 15:36:30 jwf, sure will send it across 15:36:39 nkathole++ Awesome, thanks! :) 15:36:39 jwf: Karma for nikhilkathole changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:36:43 damn, 3019... that's planning ahead 15:36:45 we can move to FLock 2019 15:36:54 tatica: Hahahah, right?? :D 15:36:56 hehe 15:37:44 #topic D&I proposals and plans for Flock 2019 - https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/104 15:38:30 probably should add my proposal for the survey (non-survey), right? 15:38:31 Okay. So to recap, a lot of our ideas are already proposed, thanks to the efforts of a lot of folks here :) 15:38:48 The only thing I had in mind for planning was figuring out an agenda for our Flock workshop session 15:38:56 tatica: Could you refresh me again? 15:39:37 https://pagure.io/flock/issue/166 15:39:50 Ahh - need to go AFK for 5 minutes. brb 15:40:02 tatica: Want to take the mic for a moment? 15:40:18 sure 15:40:51 so I'm kinda worried that the survey never got to be pulled out (we know the reason) 15:41:36 but we do need those demographics, but also need to know what's happening inside the community that we could address and try to get a better understanding to solve it for further people 15:42:15 on the ticket it's the link to the micro aggressions article that really got my attention 'cause I think that's the most common issue inside the community 15:43:10 anyway, this could be done by any on the team, gathering information from real users who have deal with it 15:43:38 analize the info to see which are the most common aggressions, and give our CoC and event code a review to check if everything is really covered 15:43:50 eol 15:44:42 * jwf is back 15:45:29 tatica: Yeah. I think coming up with a loose structure for the chats we have will be helpful. They should be open-ended, but we could come up with a few questions or prompts to help guide the conversation too 15:45:41 I realize we don't have a ticket to track the coffee chats in the D&I issue tracker 15:46:04 tatica: Not to put another #action on your plate, but would you want to open a ticket to kick off some discussion about this? 15:46:11 sure, np at all 15:46:16 Super :) 15:46:27 We can come up with ideas for questions there over the next month or two 15:46:38 I've already been working on some questions and would find it really useful to get the help 15:46:54 I can jump in to help on this. 15:47:09 recursedd: Sure! 15:47:14 :D 15:47:28 reviewing and preparing more questions and adding a basic structure to the conversation would be great! 15:47:40 recursedd: Do you want to open the ticket to start off the discussion? If you have some ideas too, you can lay them out in the ticket to kick-start the discussion :) 15:47:47 you could have a suggestions box too if people want to write something down anonymously 15:48:07 meskarune, yup, that's on the proposal already. 15:48:15 :) 15:48:16 probably a copy/paste and start from there could work, lol 15:48:17 oh awesome :D 15:48:38 ok, will work with tatica on that 15:48:46 recursedd: Super. I'll tag both of you for this :) 15:48:51 tatica++ 15:48:51 meskarune: Karma for tatica changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:49:07 I included 1:1 talks, chats for those who are a bit more shy and an anonymous box, during a 24h period. so there's enough time to gather the experiences and provide a concrete solution to work with 15:49:57 recursedd: Think you could open a ticket by this Tuesday night? 15:50:24 I think this meeting is a cookie party :D 15:50:26 yes! 15:50:33 recursedd, let me know so I can add all the ideas I have in there :D 15:50:34 Awesome! 15:50:47 last time I added tickets we only had one place... so I'm a bit lost with the new infra 15:50:54 and now I feel older than I am... 15:50:55 #action recursedd Open a new D&I Pagure ticket by Tuesday night EDT, June 18 about Flock 2019 1x1 coffee chats and how we want to run these, tatica to follow up with questions and ideas 15:51:03 recursedd++ Thanks for jumping in here! 15:51:03 jwf: Karma for recursedd changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:51:27 @tatica, sure! 15:51:53 Okay. We're running out of time for our meeting today, but I think we covered a lot of good ground 15:52:16 I think we can continue with the Flock planning next meeting, we don't have to cram everything in at once :) 15:52:35 +1 15:52:36 Anyone want to cover anything else before we move to open floor? I wanted to chat about our next meeting before ending. 15:53:33 nothing from my side 15:53:35 Going once… 15:53:45 Going twice… 15:53:55 And thrice :) 15:54:02 #topic Open floor 15:54:25 Phew. We packed a lot into this meeting but this was super exciting to see all the energy!! 15:54:58 So it seems like this time is a good time to bring in the most people. The meetings can help us drive some focus into our ticket discussions that happen offline between meetings 15:55:03 I just want to say that I'm really proud of everything you have all done. When the D&I started this was exactly what I had in mind. So congratulations to you all :) 15:55:13 Did we decide if we would meet weekly or every other week? 15:55:19 are there tickets on the fedora classroom stuff? 15:55:34 tatica: Cheers, it's been a long journey with a lot of participation from many folks :) 15:56:18 meskarune: There is. @bee2502 put together a lot of notes for this during the meeting but we didn't have time to get to it. I think we are looking for someone to drive the effort, and then we can help rally around and support them in proposing a first classroom 15:56:38 volunteers for co-organizers of https://pagure.io/flock/issue/167 15:56:45 :-) 15:56:45 meskarune: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/60 15:56:56 LoKoMurdoK: Oh awesome! Let's definitely highlight that too 15:57:06 jwf++ 15:57:06 LoKoMurdoK: Karma for jflory7 changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:57:25 #help LoKoMurdoK is looking for co-organizers of the multi-lingual evening activity! Get in touch with him if you want to help plan. https://pagure.io/flock/issue/167 15:57:38 LokoMurdoK u can add me too :) 15:57:46 I will comment in the ticket 15:57:47 bee2502++ 15:57:47 jwf: Karma for bee2502 changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:58:03 bee2502 =1 15:58:04 LoKoMurdoK, you can have me if I make it :) and if not, I could help online as well 15:58:05 +1 15:58:30 pagure.issue.comment.added -- bee2502 commented on ticket flock#167: "[Other] Fedora D&I "speak a non-English language" event at Flock 2019" https://pagure.io/flock/issue/167#comment-576526 15:58:40 If nobody objects, I suggest we make these meetings once a week to keep the energy going 15:58:43 ready!!! 15:58:56 But we will work hard to keep them under an hour since everyone has busy lives too :) 15:59:01 to the classroom ticket it would be also good to add some kind of guidance on how to address complains, abuse, etc 15:59:17 Does anyone object to weekly meetings again? 15:59:21 +1 15:59:27 tatica++ bee2502++ 15:59:27 LoKoMurdoK: Karma for bee2502 changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:59:33 For the summer, I can volunteer as meeting chair but that's probably the most I can do for now 16:00:38 +1 to weekly meetings, is the time for the meetings same? 16:01:03 recursedd: Yeah, I think we can keep this time 16:01:23 It's tough because we literally have people from around the world, literally, but I think this is the best compromise we can make 16:01:24 +1 16:01:30 And anyone can always chat in Telegram when they have a moment to catch up too 16:01:41 I'll make a note of this 16:02:16 #agreed Going to continue weekly meetings to follow up on ticket updates and progress! Meetings will focus on quick updates rather than detailed discussions to benefit those who cannot make the meetings or want to go to bed :) 16:02:33 #action jwf Update D&I Fedocal entry to run weekly 16:02:43 Alrighty folks! We are at the end of the hour. 16:03:29 Thanks, gracias, dhanyavaad, for everyone who joined today!! 16:03:33 See you next time. 16:03:34 #endmeeting