14:00:37 #startmeeting Fedora Diversity & Inclusion Team (2020-09-10) 14:00:37 Meeting started Thu Sep 10 14:00:37 2020 UTC. 14:00:37 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:00:37 The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:37 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_&_inclusion_team_(2020-09-10)' 14:00:42 #meetingname diversity 14:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 14:00:42 #nick di-team 14:00:46 #topic Agenda 14:00:53 #info (1) Roll call / introductions 14:00:53 #info (2) Announcements 14:00:53 #info (3) Action items from last meeting 14:00:53 #info (4) Tickets 14:00:53 #info (5) Open floor 14:01:11 #topic Roll call / introductions 14:01:14 If this is your first time at a D&I Team meeting, please say hello! If you have any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask. 14:01:17 * jwf waves 14:01:19 #chair riecatnor 14:01:19 Current chairs: jwf riecatnor 14:01:42 * misc wave 14:01:47 Good morning riecatnor! 14:01:50 Hey misc o/ 14:01:52 #chair misc 14:01:52 Current chairs: jwf misc riecatnor 14:01:53 Hello I am Ramya 14:02:01 This is my first meeting 14:02:01 Good morning :D 14:02:06 welcome rparimi ! 14:02:14 Hi rparimi! Welcome, glad to have you here :) 14:02:17 #chair rparimi 14:02:17 Current chairs: jwf misc riecatnor rparimi 14:02:31 We'll wait a few more minutes for folks to join in 14:02:45 I am improvising the meeting script here: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-divinc-meeting-script 14:03:12 rparimi: Would you mind doing a quick intro for the chat? :) 14:03:13 \o 14:03:19 Not sure if you have met riecatnor or misc yet! 14:03:19 I am here but also in GitLab ama 14:03:37 * jwf waves to siddharthvipul – and will action him for *all* the things 14:03:40 siddharthvipul: me too, and I heard there is a 3rd meeting inside RH :p 14:03:43 Oh no! Is that right now? 14:03:50 misc, there is always one :P 14:04:09 jwf: yes 14:04:12 So it is. That's good to know we are conflicting with a big public meeting 14:04:19 Thursday at 10am EST is the time to get ish done!! 14:04:24 jwf, on-going for last 30 minutes.. so far we have covered 2 questions and have answers to... yeah nevermind :P 14:04:29 and also the social hour 14:04:36 So we will try to make today's meeting speedy 14:04:41 I'm @orionstar25 from telegram 🐒. Hello from the other side 👐 14:04:44 Oof! Something's gotta budge! 14:04:50 Hey everyone, I am Ramya Parimi. I am from a biology background but have a lot of interest in programming, coding and other fun stuff. Now that I am a scientific writer, I wanted to explore technical writing as well.. Thats when I stumbled upon fedora docs and now I am here :) 14:04:59 Hey @orionstar25! 14:05:01 rparimi++ 14:05:24 ramyaparimi++ 14:05:24 jwf: Karma for ramyaparimi changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:05:29 Aha, zodbot knows you now :) 14:05:30 Hey rparimi :) 14:05:47 Let's go ahead and start with the agenda 14:05:52 rparimi: Thanks for the intro! 14:05:53 #topic Announcements 14:06:00 #help === "Docs: Our docs need love! Consider taking on a docs issue to help the team." === 14:06:08 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&tags=type+-+docs 14:06:17 #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58jOkR1y0e4 14:06:19 I will take one! 14:06:29 #info If you feel comfortable editing our docs, try our your new skills! We have numerous issues open to help improve our docs. 14:06:48 @orionstar25: Awesome :D Let's follow-up in open floor on the docs tickets, it will be good to set some more up. 14:06:52 #info === "Ambassadors Revamp Volunteer Kick-Off" === 14:06:56 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/ambassadors-revamp-volunteer-kick-off/ 14:07:00 #info The Temporary Task Force on the Ambassadors Revamp meets today at 16:00 UTC in a Google Meet chat room. Anyone interested in participating with the revamp is welcome to join this first meeting for the new effort. It will be recorded and shared later too if you cannot attend in person. Details in link. 14:07:33 I hope to join this one at least partly. Even though I might just be listening in one ear :) 14:07:37 Yayy I got my first karma point... hey @orionstar25 14:07:38 #info === "Test Days: Internationalization (i18n) features for Fedora 33" === 14:07:38 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/test-days-internationalization-i18n-features-for-fedora-33/ 14:07:38 #info The Fedora QA team is launching a series of Test Days this week for internationalization features of Fedora. Now is a great time to try using Fedora in non-English languages and share feedback with the QA team. Details in link. 14:07:43 14:07:50 That is all of the announcements I prepped! 14:07:54 Anyone else want to add something? 14:08:20 Fwd limesurvey 14:08:22 rparimi: Ta-da :D The cookie badge has a small lag, but you should check it on https://badges.fedoraproject.org later tonight or tomorrow morning I.S.T.! 14:08:40 Gnome collaboration 14:08:41 @orionstar25: Cool! Is it set up, or do you mean we need to discuss? 14:09:02 We were supposed to check with gnome about doing it in October and also how 14:09:08 I would love to take one as well 14:09:21 Also, we were discussing about narrowing down to 2 potential weekends 14:09:40 * jwf nods 14:09:55 We will def cover this in tickets / action item follow-up. Let's jump to that since there is some news / updates there as well. 14:10:00 #topic Action items from last meeting 14:10:05 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-diversity/2020-08-27/diversity.2020-08-27-14.00.html 14:10:11 #info How This Works: We review past #action items from the last meeting. For each task, we get a quick update on status and move forward. 14:10:16 #info === [INCOMPLETE] "jwf: Ping Freenode staff about webchat clients getting auto-voice in a channel" === 14:10:29 This one slipped. But I will try to get this done this month. 14:10:34 #action jwf Ping Freenode staff about webchat clients getting auto-voice in a channel 14:10:38 #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf: Ping GNOMEies in their Rocket.chat to confirm the email / schedule the call" === 14:10:45 #link https://doodle.com/poll/p8qszwwz4kpswx6v 14:10:46 #info Email was sent to GNOME team. A few Fedora folks filled it but we are waiting for a few folks from GNOME. Meeting will be some time next week. 14:11:07 I want to get the invite sent out for the GNOME call by end of day tomorrow so we can all plan accordingly 14:11:12 Will follow up! 14:11:17 Awesome 14:11:19 #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf: Open new ticket about FWD survey questions based on Ashlyn's mailing list post" === 14:11:24 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/156 14:11:28 #info === [COMPLETE] "riecatnor: Follow up in forthcoming FWD survey ticket with idea about question for topics" === 14:11:32 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/156#comment-674189 14:11:38 #info === [di-team] "Review Ashlyn's question draft (https://hackmd.io/ovVujqvaS5WnYcGWx9BNYQ) and share feedback in forthcoming ticket by next meeting in September" === 14:11:42 #info Scheduled ticket for today's meeting. Will follow-up later in agenda. 14:11:47 #info === [INCOMPLETE] "jwf Add Fedora + GNOME chat to the D&I Team Fedocal with details about our meeting agenda" === 14:11:54 #action jwf Add Fedora + GNOME chat to the D&I Team Fedocal with details about our meeting agenda 14:12:01 Will do that on Friday too :P 14:12:05 jwf, hey, could you tag me when you start talking about the survey? I have something 14:12:14 #info === [COMPLETE] "misc: Open a Fedora D&I ticket about "hey guys" auto-reply feature for zodbot and thinking it through" === 14:12:22 siddharthvipul: Acknowledged! 14:12:35 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/155 14:12:39 We already have some discussion there :) 14:12:44 you are the best, thank you :) 14:12:49 #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf: Pick a date/time twice a month for D&I docs mentor sessions and add to Fedocal" === 14:13:02 #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9800/?from_date=2020-08-31 14:13:12 So that was a thing! It happened. It was fun. Three people came by and said hello! 14:13:20 Thanks everyone who stopped by :) 14:13:37 That is all from action item follow-up. To the main event: the tickets 14:13:45 #topic Tickets 14:13:48 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&priority=20 14:14:09 So I did not prep my meeting agenda up to this point. I will be a little slower to type 14:14:49 Is Ashlyn connected right now? 14:15:08 We can come back to the FWD survey ticket in case she joins late 14:15:35 Let's start with the event organizer resource pack 14:16:01 #topic Ticket #122: "Improve event organizer resource pack" 14:16:08 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/122 14:16:35 @orionstar25: Do you want to share a short update on our discussion at the Mentor Hour last week? 14:17:06 Before improving, i'd like to work on placing it in a more visible place as suggested by @bee2502 in one of the tickets 14:18:05 Sure. So @bee2502 also suggests adding a section on imposter syndrome in the resource pack in order to curb the problem of FWD solely being targetted for the women. Not quite sure how that will work. 14:18:33 @orionstar25: Do you think we need to pull the Resource Pack out into something more general? Maybe a new docs section on "Events best practices" or something like that? 14:18:36 can you explain a bit more ? 14:19:15 Yes, pull it out to the root of the docs . 14:19:23 Hi lilyx13 :) 14:19:27 Explain about imposter syndrome problem? 14:19:35 hey :) 14:19:42 #chair lilyx13 14:19:42 Current chairs: jwf lilyx13 misc riecatnor rparimi 14:19:45 no, about the relationship about impostor syndrom and the problem to solve 14:20:19 orrather, what is the problem to be curbed 14:20:27 the perception of FWD being for women ? 14:20:33 That is exactly what my concern is. I am not able to correlate the two. But I also don't have a way to solve the audience issue for FWD 14:20:51 misc: I think the goal is for us to explore ways to be more intersectional going forward. Historically we have had a very narrow lens on gender 14:20:52 Yes exactly 14:21:00 Which is important but not the only meaning or focus of diversity 14:21:17 jwf: I would say that maybe change the name would be a good first step 14:21:30 and like any name change, it will take between 1 month and 3 centuries 14:21:45 Sadly agrees 14:21:52 @orionstar25: So, I learned some new Fedora Docs tricks last month… I think I have an idea of how to organize this at a high level in our docs. I could put out a proposal in the ticket, if you could help with brainstorming on the actual content to organize/publish there. 14:22:05 I’m a little confused 14:22:11 I think this will help us pull out some of the cool things we do/offer for FWD organizers into something more general purpose. 14:22:14 👋 hi! 14:22:15 Why would we change the name of FWD? 14:22:41 I'll be involved in this. Count me in. 14:22:45 There are a lot of interesting things we do for FWD that is not exclusively "for" women, but are good tips on being inclusive in running an event, or how to talk about Fedora and what the Project is up to. 14:22:46 well, if the idea is that we want to target more than women, maybe calling it fedora women day is not helping that goal 14:23:17 I think fwd has been targeted towards women and we shouldn’t change it. It’s been a huge success 14:23:35 From my 1 time experience, no one who wasn't a woman didn't want to attend it because they found no value in doing so. Since it's intuitively calling out to only women. 14:23:38 misc @riecatnor: A name change is a valid idea, but it is not something we have capacity to pull off before we run an event in 2020. From past experience, if we go to that topic, it will set us backwards in pulling off an event with the resources we have built up over 5+ years 14:23:43 Small steps. Small steps at a time :D 14:23:46 We will get there 14:24:00 I think we should do a different event for that broader audience 14:24:08 that would also work 14:24:12 @riecatnor: I think it is a good idea for 2021 :) 14:24:20 I was at a fwd and it was mostly women but there were a couple men 14:24:50 but then, that also mean having 2 sets of event 14:25:05 like FWD and newnamedays 14:25:07 @orionstar25: So, I think ticket #122 is a little confusing because it is old and very long. What do you think if I close this ticket as `stale` and open a new ticket to focus on how we structure our generic/general stuff in our docs? 14:25:13 Does that sound like a plan? 14:25:24 Oh hey @bee2502! 14:25:28 #chair @bee2502 14:25:28 Current chairs: @bee2502 jwf lilyx13 misc riecatnor rparimi 14:25:39 Agreed 💯 too hard to follow. Will pull out important relevant points and create a crisper ticket 14:25:40 #chair @orionstar25 14:25:40 Current chairs: @bee2502 @orionstar25 jwf lilyx13 misc riecatnor rparimi 14:26:07 @orionstar25: Oh OK! Do you want to take that action item? 14:26:16 +1 to a new ticket! 14:26:35 It would help me, I am stretched thin right now 😅 14:26:35 Yep. 14:26:40 sorry I feel a bit out of the loop. is ticket 122 where the reasoning for wanting to change the name of FWD can be found? 14:26:54 lilyx13: Good question! We assumed some context. 14:27:02 @orionstar25: Awesome, I will write an action item in a second. 14:27:31 lilyx13: The ticket is about improving the event resource pack. Somewhere along the way, it came up that we are centering our content on FWD events. But folks who organize events for Fedora that are not FWD also find the info useful. 14:27:43 So the discussion became, how can we make the useful info we already have more useful for others? 14:27:52 And that is where the name change idea came from. 14:27:55 Or, I think anyways 14:28:04 Does that help add context? 14:29:00 #action @orionstar25 Close ticket #122 as `stale` and open a new ticket specifically about structuring our event organizing content in our docs into something more general-purpose 14:29:13 yup that helps 14:29:20 #action jwf Add proposal for AsciiDoc/Antora module structure to @orionstar25's ticket once opened 14:29:27 lilyx13: Super :D 14:29:52 So, I think we are ready to wrap up on event organizer resource pack ticket before moving to FWD survey questions, since lilyx13 is here too :) 14:29:54 Any last thoughts? 14:30:00 Going once… 14:30:10 Going twice… 14:30:13 I'mma drop off from the meeting. Will follow up on the tickets :) 14:30:26 And thrice. 14:30:32 No problem @orionstar25, thanks for joining! 14:30:33 See ya. 14:30:46 OK, FWD survey up next. Let me prep the zodbot script. 14:31:25 #topic Ticket #156: "FWD Planning Survey: Draft a list of questions to send to past organizers" 14:31:26 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/156 14:32:01 ah right… 14:32:14 We had a question about dates there, and we were going to pitch that with the GNOME team 14:32:45 Actually there might not be a lot to discuss on logistics right now. But I think lilyx13 hoped for a final review on the survey questions today :) 14:32:56 lilyx13: Do you want to add a #link to your hackmd pad? 14:33:08 https://hackmd.io/ovVujqvaS5WnYcGWx9BNYQ 14:33:25 I added a question :) 14:33:32 * jwf taps siddharthvipul on the shoulder over in the GitLab AMA room 14:34:10 hey 14:34:32 right, so I am not sure if it's already accepted or not, I think we should move the fwd time in october 14:34:43 I can make changes in draft form 14:34:57 October is good 14:35:01 +1 for october 14:35:06 siddharthvipul: Heh it hasn't come up in the meeting yet, but now is a good time to address that anyways 14:35:12 also, if we have a +1, I have some time tomorrow evening when I can work on limesurvey to get the form ready for everyone's approval 14:35:44 Yeah I think we are all warmed up to holding this in October. As I remember now, when we try to push for September, it is tough because we get so in gear for Flock/Nest and we need some time to recoup and get ready after :D 14:36:00 and we should also try to send out the survey in next week or so.. it's been going on for more than a month if I am not wrong 14:36:06 So October is where we usually end up anyways in prior years. So on time :P :P 14:36:56 I see @riecatnor added some feedback into the survey. I had an idea to add "Community management" as a topic to the survey of possible topics to learn about. But I don't have a HackMD account and won't waste meeting time making one right now :D 14:37:03 I am happy with the rest of the survey 14:37:15 So I give a +1 to move from Hackmd to Limesurvey. 14:37:27 Let's take a quick vote? 14:37:36 jwf, It's by github so just authenticate using that.. or send us the topic here and we can transfer :D 14:37:57 +1 if you are ready to publish, +0 if you need more time to review, -1 if you think something needs to be changed 14:37:58 #chair 14:37:58 Current chairs: @bee2502 @orionstar25 jwf lilyx13 misc riecatnor rparimi 14:37:58 +1 from me (I can think of some more topics but we will also have an empty field with others) 14:38:00 +1, @SiddharthVipul can you add community management as a topic? 14:38:05 +1 14:38:19 riecatnor, sure thing.. 14:38:23 (ready to publish—errr, ready to move to Limesurvey. Not sending anything out just yet) 14:38:39 I think the anonymity message needs to be cleaned up a little bit and the dates need to be changed as well but then imo it'll be good for publication 14:39:03 lilyx13, that's not my message but comes directly from limesurvey. that's to show that the form is anonymous 14:39:05 Oh yeah dates need to be updated. We should have that answered next week though, we can update the choices in Limesurvey once we know them 14:39:13 jwf, I will take care of dates 14:39:20 siddharthvipul++ 14:39:35 October 1st week to 4th, yeah? 14:40:09 @bee2502 lilyx13 rparimi: Could you please share your +1/+0/-1 on the FWD survey questions? Just getting a quick temperature check on how we feel about them :) 14:40:38 +1 14:40:51 +1 14:41:29 #agreed FWD survey questions are approved by meeting chairs. lilyx13 and siddharthvipul can move forward with porting questions into Limesurvey. Some minor tweaks will be made (e.g. dates) before sending. 14:42:09 siddharthvipul: I hypothesize second week to last week of October 14:42:21 But will know better next week 14:42:22 jwf, got it 14:42:40 OK, I think we are all set to move on from the survey topic. 14:43:11 Since we have some docs interest from folks, let's take a look at some docs tickets. 14:43:22 I am skipping around the ticket queue a bit. :/ I should have triaged better before the meeting. 14:43:29 One more thing on dates etc, we now have “access” to hopin. Meaning we are sharing that with OSPO (we want this more $$$ reasons). We need to apply for dates and the number of organizer/admin spots. 14:43:45 For $$$ reasons* 14:44:07 any rough estimate on how in advance we need to apply ? 14:44:08 I will skip the FWD ticket #136 because I think we are pushing that forward with the survey ticket (just discussed) and the pending event resource pack ticket 14:44:14 @riecatnor Oh awesome! 14:44:14 I am gathering the info we will need for fwd and also release parties and will share ASAP 14:44:25 Misc, unclear. 14:44:41 #info Fedora now has "access" to Hopin. riecatnor/Mindshare is gathering info for FWD's and release parties. Update coming soon. 14:44:44 The limitation has to do with organizer spots, there are ten. We can have as many events as we wanted. 14:44:45 I kinda guess it is more than 1h and less than 1 year :) 14:44:48 We will def follow up there :) 14:44:58 #topic Fedora D&I docs tickets 14:45:26 Based on nest, I think we can get thing set up in advance and do moderation with 2-5 people 14:45:32 First, shout-outs to orionstar25 and rparimi for the docs PRs this past week :D 14:45:46 It was awesome to see some of these things get fixed and published out in the docs site. 14:45:50 orionstar25++ rparimi++ 14:46:12 I am looking at some tickets here: 14:46:13 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&tags=type+-+docs 14:47:13 I think #142 from @bee2502 is a good ticket to look at, although I think it includes many things. 14:47:19 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/142 14:47:34 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IFsaPC09DZXaKrsWnxfb6im2rANmQGH1Wj0Fpeasym4/edit 14:48:11 Thank you jwf 14:48:32 @bee2502 split out and summarized a lot of historical things we have done in the past, but have not written down in one place. She consolidated them to that Google Doc 14:48:55 rparimi: :D 14:49:19 I think next steps might be to think about how we want to lay out / publish those things. And then we will need help moving them from Google Doc into the real docs site. 14:49:20 Looks awesome! 14:50:02 It really is! She did a lot of the hard work of sleuthing through tickets, notes, pictures, all the historical stuff :P 14:50:38 Maybe this could fit into the event resource pack reorganization topic actually, with the new ticket orionstar25 will open 14:51:55 Does anyone want to add anything to this ticket right now? Maybe it will be easier to follow up in two weeks, once we get through some of the reorganization for our event-related docs 14:52:35 Oh lilyx13 I see your comment here now: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/116#comment-677387 14:53:07 #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9784/ 14:53:34 lilyx13: Do you know if this^ is the link in the docs page? Or is it perhaps to an older version of our meeting? 14:53:56 That URL has changed a lot over the years… 14:54:29 https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6397/ 14:54:36 that's the one that the site takes you to 14:54:49 Oh nooooo xD 14:54:57 Super old 14:55:04 So there is the bugfix for the docs :) 14:55:20 makes sense. cool I can change that 14:55:34 Awesome. Thanks! I will drop a note in the ticket after the meeting too. 14:55:49 I noticed the other day that in one of the docs (not the D&I page), IRC link to freenode was not working 14:56:20 not sure if that is relevant in this meeting 14:56:38 rparimi: Definitely relevant :) 14:56:38 may be that was in wiki 14:57:00 This section could be updated for sure: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/diversity-inclusion/get-involved/#join-irc-telegram 14:57:26 rparimi: Since we only have a few minutes left for this meeting, could you please open a new issue on the D&I Team Pagure repo so we can track this / figure out what we want to publish there? 14:57:52 It is a good thing to look at, it came up earlier in the chat just before this meeting actually. We don't even mention Matrix there actually! 14:58:29 alright... I will open the ticket once the meeting is done 14:58:38 Super. Thanks! :) 14:58:40 The events page seems really outdated as well. would it be worth opening a ticket to add more current information for that too? 14:59:23 not a problem.. loving all this experience jwf 14:59:26 #action rparimi Open a new Pagure ticket to review the communication platforms (e.g. IRC, Telegram, Matrix) for D&I Team in our docs https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/diversity-inclusion/get-involved/#join-irc-telegram 15:00:20 lilyx13: I think it is this ticket: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/120 15:00:56 lilyx13: It might be worth a polite ping in the ticket to hirat if she is still interesting in working on it, and/or if she would be OK if you worked on it. Assuming you are interested in that, OK if not too. 15:00:57 ah perfect :) 15:01:10 yeah I'd be into helping with that 15:01:26 lilyx13: Super. Could you drop a comment in that ticket sometime after the meeting? 15:01:30 yup yup 15:01:34 Thanks :D 15:01:39 And with that, we are at the end of the hour! 15:01:42 It's time to wrap up. 15:01:59 Thanks everyone for your participation today! We'll be back here in another two weeks. :) 15:02:01 great!! Thanks everyone 15:02:10 No docs mentor hour next week, but will be back next month! 15:02:15 Adios 15:02:15 #endmeeting