14:01:41 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Fedora D&I 14:01:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 1 14:01:41 2020 UTC. 14:01:41 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:01:41 <zodbot> The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_d&i' 14:02:08 <riecatnor> #chair @amsharma @bee2502 chhavi @jflory7 @jonatoni +marinaz +meskarune nikhilkathole orionstar25 pyadav ramyaparimi recursedd @riecatnor siddharthvipul1 @tatica x3mboy 14:02:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: +marinaz +meskarune @amsharma @bee2502 @jflory7 @jonatoni @riecatnor @tatica chhavi nikhilkathole orionstar25 pyadav ramyaparimi recursedd riecatnor siddharthvipul1 x3mboy 14:02:30 <riecatnor> I would like to welcome the 2 newest members of the D&I team 14:02:38 <riecatnor> siddharthvipul & rparimi ! 14:02:55 <rparimi> yayyy thank you riecatnor 14:03:06 <rparimi> pleasure to be part of the team 14:03:06 <riecatnor> They have both been around, siddharthvipul for some time now, doing work and participating :) 14:03:14 <riecatnor> Happy to have yoU! 14:03:22 * siddharthvipul is blushing right now :) 14:03:25 <siddharthvipul> thank you riecatnor 14:03:40 <riecatnor> #topic roll call 14:03:44 <riecatnor> whose here today? 14:03:49 <siddharthvipul> .hello siddharthvipul1 14:03:50 <riecatnor> .hi riecatnor 14:03:51 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com> 14:03:54 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'None' <mnordin@redhat.com> 14:04:05 <rparimi> hello im here as well 14:04:18 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> Meee 14:04:52 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> From telegram so probably cant do .hello orionstar25 14:05:05 <riecatnor> .hello orionstar25 14:05:06 <zodbot> riecatnor: orionstar25 'None' <chunnushrivastava@gmail.com> 14:05:24 <rparimi> .hello Ramya here 14:05:25 <zodbot> rparimi: Sorry, but you don't exist 14:05:34 <rparimi> whyyyy 14:06:15 <riecatnor> your FAS id ir ramyaparimi 14:06:17 <riecatnor> is* 14:06:36 <rparimi> yes it is 14:06:46 <rparimi> should I change my nick to ramyaparimi 14:07:05 <riecatnor> nah 14:07:11 <riecatnor> just need to remember here 14:07:19 <riecatnor> .hello ramyaparimi 14:07:20 <zodbot> riecatnor: ramyaparimi 'Ramya Parimi' <rlp.parimi@gmail.com> 14:07:26 <riecatnor> there it is :) 14:07:44 <rparimi> ooohhh thanks again riecatnor 14:08:05 * rparimi thinks she should do a big thank you in the end to @rie 14:08:14 <riecatnor> AWWWW 14:08:27 <riecatnor> you're welcome :) 14:08:44 <riecatnor> #topic Fedora Women's Day 14:09:09 <siddharthvipul> I sent the survey to Diversity mailing list, now someone needs to pick and share it wide :) 14:09:16 <siddharthvipul> I am not sure if there is any activity on that 14:09:31 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/136 14:10:12 <riecatnor> I can tweet that 14:10:30 <riecatnor> let me just do it now, do you have the link handy 14:10:48 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, let me fetch that 14:11:08 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, https://fedoraproject.limequery.com/861695?lang=en 14:11:19 <riecatnor> cool, have we gotten any responses yet? 14:11:27 <siddharthvipul> 1 14:11:40 <riecatnor> Was it you siddharthvipul :P 14:12:03 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, haha no, I would have counted my entry twice :P 14:12:27 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/I-GhZX1TQF6tJ_8w1IwbhQ?view 14:13:15 <riecatnor> I had a check in with jwf and he has indicated that he has a bunch going on with his role on the Council, as well as gaining traction with mentoring on docs 14:13:29 <riecatnor> We agreed that it would be best for me to step in and lead the charge on FWD 14:14:03 <riecatnor> I wanted to be transparent about that as I am suddenly here running a meeting for the first time etc etc 14:14:28 <rparimi> talking about mentoring docs, is there a mentor session today? I know its not related to meeting here, but I was looking forwad to it 14:14:48 <riecatnor> I am not sure rparimi 14:15:03 <riecatnor> I did see something on the calendar, but I don't have time to be there unfortunately 14:15:23 <rparimi> okay 14:15:55 <riecatnor> So for those who are here today, please take a look at the hackmd link 14:16:11 <riecatnor> I think some have commented already a bit, I did my best to respond (but haven't looked at it yet today) 14:17:32 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> I've looked at the responses. 14:17:54 <riecatnor> I was thinking we can go section by section and finalize/clarify 14:17:55 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> I'm just overwhelmed by the amount of things we seek to provide but I feel we're short on help. 14:18:12 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> sure 14:18:28 <riecatnor> orionstar25, that is why I am here ;) 14:18:52 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> 🙏 <3 14:19:11 <riecatnor> Focus & Goals- orionstar25, you asked how we show gratitude. It is an important question. I need to think about this one a bit more, but it would be nice to give some small digital gift 14:19:45 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> So Pycon is giving attendees badges to showoff on social media. 14:19:50 <riecatnor> Something material is optional imo though, there is the mentorship, fellowship, support, and community that we offer already :) so I think we should move on 14:19:59 <riecatnor> nice 14:20:01 <riecatnor> I like that 14:20:16 <riecatnor> do you have a link to what that looks like? 14:20:22 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> Yeah wait 14:20:39 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> https://in.pycon.org/badges/orionstar 14:21:10 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> @SiddharthVipul Would know more about this I guess. 14:21:14 <riecatnor> cute! did a designer make this or was it generated automatically? 14:22:00 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> @SiddharthVipul is in Pycon's organizing team. Multi talented :O 14:22:37 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, it's designed and picked from db. Other then order id *(in right hand bottom corner) you can pretty much modify everything (I mean the data and not design) 14:22:38 <siddharthvipul> https://in.pycon.org/badges/siddharthvipul 14:22:53 <siddharthvipul> heh, I am flexing here a bit.. I am 0 XD 14:23:13 <riecatnor> I see, I had a similar idea for nest but it didn't come to be. I am all about this but I have the same concern 14:23:23 <riecatnor> it is not a first priority. 14:24:10 <riecatnor> I don't say that to put the idea down in any way, it is more of a, hey, what resources do we actually have right now to make the event a success 14:24:16 <tg-fed-di> <karmadolkar> could we possibly paraphrase this statement in the doc? 14:24:32 <riecatnor> karmadolkar, which statement? 14:24:52 <riecatnor> orionstar25, can you add a link to these badges into the comments? 14:24:53 <tg-fed-di> <karmadolkar> "Fedora Women’s Day (FWD) is a day of celebration to raise awareness and gratitude for women contributors across the Fedora Project." 14:24:56 <tg-fed-di> <karmadolkar> this one 14:25:14 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> Sure @riecatnor 14:25:15 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, oh, I didn't even realize we were talking about having these in our events. I agree with you riecatnor. With given limited time, this is not the most important thing on how we can improve experience (IMO) 14:25:26 <riecatnor> This is simply a doc for our reference for planning 14:25:40 <riecatnor> I simply copied and pasted that from FWD text on docs 14:25:52 <riecatnor> ok, let us move on to format 14:26:36 <tg-fed-di> <karmadolkar> ah okay. thought this was getting published somewhere :p 14:26:45 <riecatnor> This is it :) 14:27:07 <riecatnor> so for the format, there are a few comments, some things.. I made some edits 14:27:25 <riecatnor> does it seem clear? does it seem like a nice variety of things you would care to attend? 14:28:28 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> So its 3 45 min sessions each day? 14:28:44 <riecatnor> yes, was thinking that 14:28:54 <riecatnor> well, 3 of the "women in fedora" sessions 14:29:01 <riecatnor> then one join event 14:29:09 <riecatnor> 1-2 social sessions 14:29:17 <riecatnor> so a total of 5 sessions each day 14:29:23 <riecatnor> one track 14:30:02 <riecatnor> I do not think it needs to be a ton of content 14:30:48 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> I still am confused. Is it going to be 1 FWD spanned over 3 days, or multiple FWDs spanned over 3 days 14:31:00 <riecatnor> It is one event 14:31:04 <riecatnor> 3 days long 14:31:13 <riecatnor> with sessions spread over 3 days 14:31:43 <riecatnor> does that make more sense? 14:31:45 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> Then whey do we need an intro to fedora session each day? 14:32:38 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> why* 14:32:44 <riecatnor> so that different people can attend that 14:33:02 <riecatnor> its is 3x the chance to introduce people to fedora 14:34:01 <rparimi> the 45 min sessions, would the timing change if there are more people willing to share their experience? 14:34:16 <riecatnor> Meaning, we could have more than 3 sessions a day? 14:34:58 * jwf waves 14:35:06 <riecatnor> hiya jwf 14:35:08 <jwf> Hi all, sorry I'm late! Reading back… 14:35:10 <rparimi> or are we going to club everybody's 'how they got into fedora' to one session and then what they contribute to the next ? 14:35:31 <riecatnor> I feel like what I wrote is confusing 14:35:32 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> Can we have a 30 min session instead of 45? I would be interested in knowing everyone's experiences, but sitting for 45*3 seems too much 14:36:40 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> @rparimi its like: if you wanna share your experience, you will have 45 mins dedicated to you to share it, with the given format. 14:37:09 <riecatnor> I think orionstar25, I dont think its too much, if anything we could get more. based on timezones there will be no way for everyone to make it to everything anyway? 14:37:32 <riecatnor> Like a half hour for the story, 15 minutes to discuss 14:37:59 <rparimi> riecatnor that makes sense 14:38:00 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> Alright sure 14:38:17 <riecatnor> that is what I was trying to get across with my notes in the doc, and I don't feel I did that effectively 14:38:27 <riecatnor> is there some changes I could make to clear that up 14:38:52 <jwf> #meetingname diversity 14:38:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 14:39:53 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> "How I become involved in Fedora" ---> "How I got involved with Fedora" ? 14:40:04 <rparimi> riecatnor no I understood it well thr first time I read it... not sure why I got sidetracked now :D 14:40:15 <riecatnor> #topic pause 14:40:17 <tg-fed-di> <orionstar25> "How do I contribute to Fedora or FOSS” ---> "How do I contribute to Fedora and FOSS now” "? 14:40:38 <riecatnor> I need to be real with you all right now 14:40:45 <riecatnor> This is not an effective meeting 14:41:42 <riecatnor> What we need to be doing is assigning actions, not debating the exact wording of sentences. although i think wording is important, that is asynchronous. The document is open. Make the changes. 14:42:35 <riecatnor> I am going to do my best to be more hands on with the D&I team. Ya'll seem to have a sickness lol it is over discussion, over analyzing, over processing things 14:42:42 <riecatnor> That is why I am here, stepping in to make this happen 14:43:12 <riecatnor> I am not trying to discourage anyone!! I am trying to say YOU all have the power to do simply DO things 14:43:57 <riecatnor> We have spent 45 minutes agreeing to almost nothing 14:44:27 <jwf> What was on the agenda for today? I can't find a link to the doc mentioned earlier 14:44:43 <riecatnor> jwf, I am a wild woman, no agenda in sight 14:44:50 <riecatnor> lol 14:45:31 <jwf> Hahah, got it. That could be a contributing factor for the difficulty in discussion though. I have found D&I team usually has better meetings when we have a clear agenda and goals in mind. FWD is a huge topic and it can always go in many different directions 14:46:00 <riecatnor> I think this is a really unqiue situation too bc it is virtual 14:46:10 <jwf> I think this is a common struggle with FWD is prioritizing the most important work at the current moment 14:46:12 <riecatnor> but, this is true across the team 14:46:13 <jwf> That too 14:46:35 <jwf> Personally I am not sure what we are trying to agree or discuss right now, but I know I am late 14:46:53 <riecatnor> I needed to pause the meeting bc I need to be real with everyone here 14:47:42 <jwf> Sure 14:47:50 <riecatnor> It is no intention to be negative or say that any work that has been done is wrong or bad... it is simply, how do work more effectively? We can't discuss things for weeks/months/years 14:48:30 <jwf> We need a project manager, or someone who can take ownership of moving decisions forward 14:48:35 <riecatnor> The team is small, and there is no one who is going to advise you besides me really. We have all the decision making power 14:48:52 <riecatnor> Yes, it may be me, but I need to adjust expectations for how we are going to work 14:49:01 * jwf nods 14:49:26 <jwf> If I could make a humble request, a meeting agenda in advance would be the most helpful thing for me to have productive meeting conversations and make sure we are moving things forward too when we meet 14:49:34 <jwf> This is what I struggled with though as meeting chair :( 14:49:51 <jwf> Easier said than done… 14:50:11 <riecatnor> So, has anyone here been to a mindshare meeting? 14:50:59 <riecatnor> maybe not :P ik siddharthvipul has 14:51:18 <siddharthvipul> what's that? :P 14:51:22 <siddharthvipul> jk jk 14:51:28 <riecatnor> I don't think it should be just the same, but I effectively run that meeting with no agenda and we make decisions during every single meeting 14:51:44 <riecatnor> Maybe it is because the decisions need less sensitivity 14:51:48 <jwf> Yes 14:51:51 <jwf> I was going to say that too 14:52:00 <riecatnor> (I am currently working this out in my head with everyone hear, thank you for going on this journey with me) 14:52:01 <jwf> I think Mindshare agendas are way more straightforward 14:52:04 <riecatnor> here* 14:52:16 <jwf> Oh for me too riecatnor :D 14:52:43 <riecatnor> The thing is, we will never be perfect 14:52:52 <riecatnor> what do they say? 14:52:57 <jwf> 8 minute time check… not sure how we want to wrap this up but I know there are big meetings in 8 minutes elsewhere 14:53:14 <riecatnor> perfection is the enemy of progress 14:53:46 <riecatnor> I think the team wants to do everything *RIGHT* and I think that is great, but there are many variations of right. We need to do the best thing for us, and just DO IT 14:54:00 <riecatnor> Yes, I see the time dwindling down. 14:54:04 <misc> riecatnor: "done is better than perfect", that's what was written in the fablab I used to go :) 14:54:19 <riecatnor> What is going to happen is I am going to take some of this feedback and update the doc 14:54:20 <jwf> ++ 14:54:30 <riecatnor> rparimis blog post will go Monday 14:54:56 <rparimi> riecatnor tomorrow actually 14:55:00 <riecatnor> I will continue work on this and then write on the ticket with the actions that are up for grabs 14:55:02 <rparimi> its going on 2nd 14:55:09 <riecatnor> oh, YEA, tomorrow!! 14:55:15 <jwf> \o/ 14:55:58 <riecatnor> If someone sees a *really big issue* with what I have on the document, please contact me directly. Otherwise, just make the change :D 14:56:21 <riecatnor> that means slight rewording, reviewing the languages I have chosen for tracks etc 14:56:29 <riecatnor> #topic open floor 14:56:59 <riecatnor> i said a lot of stuff 14:57:09 <riecatnor> anyone having thoughts/feelings about that? 14:57:26 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- orionstar25 commented on ticket fedora-diversity#170: "Change name for Meetings page in D&I Docs" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/170#comment-689295 14:57:48 <rparimi> umm... have a question about the session.. I am diong it for the frist time 14:58:11 <riecatnor> mhm :) 14:58:12 <rparimi> is it like a presentation with screen share? 14:58:15 <riecatnor> yep 14:58:30 <tg-fed-di> <karmadolkar> what is open floor? 14:58:32 <riecatnor> most people use video/audio 14:58:51 <riecatnor> karmadolkar, a few minutes to say whatever about fedora/d&i related things 14:58:59 <riecatnor> like maybe you know of an event, so you want to share that with the team 14:59:00 <rparimi> okay.... and I just joined Fedora and still learning alot... I am not sure if I can make a 30 min story though! woudl that be alright? 14:59:20 <riecatnor> if you would like rparimi :) we would welcome it 14:59:27 <misc> if you can only make 15 minutes, just spend 15 minutes on network and mic problem #protip :p 14:59:58 <misc> "can you...*scritch* me no*scritch*" 15:00:07 <riecatnor> Ok in one minute I have to run another meeting :P 15:00:11 <jwf> riecatnor: I know you did not mean it in a negative way… but I don't think it is a sickness we have on the team with making decisions. D&I has lacked a lot of the administrative support that other teams find through FESCo or Mindshare. Taking an inclusive-first mindset can be difficult for making consensus, but it is also not something useless either. There are things other teams take for granted that we don't necessarily have 15:00:19 <jwf> rparimi: BTW, the Docs Mentor Hour is moved to next Monday! 15:00:30 <jwf> I think I sent a calendar invite for the new day/time since we made today a meeting. 15:00:32 <riecatnor> I would like to hear about those things 15:00:45 <rparimi> jwf ohh no wonder I couldnt see any this week 15:00:48 <rparimi> thank you 15:00:53 <jwf> riecatnor: Sure. We can follow up on that next time :) 15:01:02 <jwf> riecatnor++ thank you for chairing today too! 15:01:06 <riecatnor> I said that with a bit too much cavalier 15:01:16 <riecatnor> It is more of a habit 15:01:34 <riecatnor> Apologies if that rubbed on anyone the wrong way. 15:01:37 <jwf> rparimi: No worries :D It is Monday, 5 October at 11:30 U.S. EDT 15:01:41 <riecatnor> I am here to help :) 15:01:53 <riecatnor> thanks everybody! 15:01:57 <riecatnor> #endmeeting