14:01:41 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Fedora D&I
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14:02:08 <riecatnor> #chair @amsharma @bee2502 chhavi @jflory7 @jonatoni +marinaz +meskarune nikhilkathole orionstar25 pyadav ramyaparimi recursedd @riecatnor siddharthvipul1 @tatica x3mboy
14:02:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: +marinaz +meskarune @amsharma @bee2502 @jflory7 @jonatoni @riecatnor @tatica chhavi nikhilkathole orionstar25 pyadav ramyaparimi recursedd riecatnor siddharthvipul1 x3mboy
14:02:30 <riecatnor> I would like to welcome the 2 newest members of the D&I team
14:02:38 <riecatnor> siddharthvipul & rparimi !
14:02:55 <rparimi> yayyy thank you riecatnor
14:03:06 <rparimi> pleasure to be part of the team
14:03:06 <riecatnor> They have both been around, siddharthvipul for some time now, doing work and participating :)
14:03:14 <riecatnor> Happy to have yoU!
14:03:22 * siddharthvipul is blushing right now :)
14:03:25 <siddharthvipul> thank you riecatnor
14:03:40 <riecatnor> #topic roll call
14:03:44 <riecatnor> whose here today?
14:03:49 <siddharthvipul> .hello siddharthvipul1
14:03:50 <riecatnor> .hi riecatnor
14:03:51 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com>
14:03:54 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'None' <mnordin@redhat.com>
14:04:05 <rparimi> hello im here as well
14:04:18 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> Meee
14:04:52 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> From telegram so probably cant do .hello orionstar25
14:05:05 <riecatnor> .hello orionstar25
14:05:06 <zodbot> riecatnor: orionstar25 'None' <chunnushrivastava@gmail.com>
14:05:24 <rparimi> .hello Ramya here
14:05:25 <zodbot> rparimi: Sorry, but you don't exist
14:05:34 <rparimi> whyyyy
14:06:15 <riecatnor> your FAS id ir ramyaparimi
14:06:17 <riecatnor> is*
14:06:36 <rparimi> yes it is
14:06:46 <rparimi> should I change my nick to ramyaparimi
14:07:05 <riecatnor> nah
14:07:11 <riecatnor> just need to remember here
14:07:19 <riecatnor> .hello ramyaparimi
14:07:20 <zodbot> riecatnor: ramyaparimi 'Ramya Parimi' <rlp.parimi@gmail.com>
14:07:26 <riecatnor> there it is :)
14:07:44 <rparimi> ooohhh thanks again riecatnor
14:08:05 * rparimi thinks she should do a big thank you in the end to @rie
14:08:14 <riecatnor> AWWWW
14:08:27 <riecatnor> you're welcome :)
14:08:44 <riecatnor> #topic Fedora Women's Day
14:09:09 <siddharthvipul> I sent the survey to Diversity mailing list, now someone needs to pick and share it wide :)
14:09:16 <siddharthvipul> I am not sure if there is any activity on that
14:09:31 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/136
14:10:12 <riecatnor> I can tweet that
14:10:30 <riecatnor> let me just do it now, do you have the link handy
14:10:48 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, let me fetch that
14:11:08 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, https://fedoraproject.limequery.com/861695?lang=en
14:11:19 <riecatnor> cool, have we gotten any responses yet?
14:11:27 <siddharthvipul> 1
14:11:40 <riecatnor> Was it you siddharthvipul :P
14:12:03 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, haha no, I would have counted my entry twice :P
14:12:27 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/I-GhZX1TQF6tJ_8w1IwbhQ?view
14:13:15 <riecatnor> I had a check in with jwf and he has indicated that he has a bunch going on with his role on the Council, as well as gaining traction with mentoring on docs
14:13:29 <riecatnor> We agreed that it would be best for me to step in and lead the charge on FWD
14:14:03 <riecatnor> I wanted to be transparent about that as I am suddenly here running a meeting for the first time etc etc
14:14:28 <rparimi> talking about mentoring docs, is there a mentor session today? I know its not related to meeting here, but I was looking forwad to it
14:14:48 <riecatnor> I am not sure rparimi
14:15:03 <riecatnor> I did see something on the calendar, but I don't have time to be there unfortunately
14:15:23 <rparimi> okay
14:15:55 <riecatnor> So for those who are here today, please take a look at the hackmd link
14:16:11 <riecatnor> I think some have commented already a bit, I did my best to respond (but haven't looked at it yet today)
14:17:32 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> I've looked at the responses.
14:17:54 <riecatnor> I was thinking we can go section by section and finalize/clarify
14:17:55 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> I'm just overwhelmed by the amount of things we seek to provide but I feel we're short on help.
14:18:12 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> sure
14:18:28 <riecatnor> orionstar25, that is why I am here ;)
14:18:52 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> 🙏 <3
14:19:11 <riecatnor> Focus & Goals- orionstar25, you asked how we show gratitude. It is an important question. I need to think about this one a bit more, but it would be nice to give some small digital gift
14:19:45 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> So Pycon is giving attendees badges to showoff on social media.
14:19:50 <riecatnor> Something material is optional imo though, there is the mentorship, fellowship, support, and community that we offer already :) so I think we should move on
14:19:59 <riecatnor> nice
14:20:01 <riecatnor> I like that
14:20:16 <riecatnor> do you have a link to what that looks like?
14:20:22 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> Yeah wait
14:20:39 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> https://in.pycon.org/badges/orionstar
14:21:10 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> @SiddharthVipul Would know more about this I guess.
14:21:14 <riecatnor> cute! did a designer make this or was it generated automatically?
14:22:00 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> @SiddharthVipul is in Pycon's organizing team. Multi talented :O
14:22:37 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, it's designed and picked from db. Other then order id *(in right hand bottom corner) you can pretty much modify everything (I mean the data and not design)
14:22:38 <siddharthvipul> https://in.pycon.org/badges/siddharthvipul
14:22:53 <siddharthvipul> heh, I am flexing here a bit.. I am 0 XD
14:23:13 <riecatnor> I see, I had a similar idea for nest but it didn't come to be. I am all about this but I have the same concern
14:23:23 <riecatnor> it is not a first priority.
14:24:10 <riecatnor> I don't say that to put the idea down in any way, it is more of a, hey, what resources do we actually have right now to make the event a success
14:24:16 <tg-fed-di> <k​armadolkar> could we possibly paraphrase this statement in the doc?
14:24:32 <riecatnor> karmadolkar, which statement?
14:24:52 <riecatnor> orionstar25, can you add a link to these badges into the comments?
14:24:53 <tg-fed-di> <k​armadolkar> "Fedora Women’s Day (FWD) is a day of celebration to raise awareness and gratitude for women contributors across the Fedora Project."
14:24:56 <tg-fed-di> <k​armadolkar> this one
14:25:14 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> Sure @riecatnor
14:25:15 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor, oh, I didn't even realize we were talking about having these in our events. I agree with you riecatnor. With given limited time, this is not the most important thing on how we can improve experience (IMO)
14:25:26 <riecatnor> This is simply a doc for our reference for planning
14:25:40 <riecatnor> I simply copied and pasted that from FWD text on docs
14:25:52 <riecatnor> ok, let us move on to format
14:26:36 <tg-fed-di> <k​armadolkar> ah okay. thought this was getting published somewhere :p
14:26:45 <riecatnor> This is it :)
14:27:07 <riecatnor> so for the format, there are a few comments, some things.. I made some edits
14:27:25 <riecatnor> does it seem clear? does it seem like a nice variety of things you would care to attend?
14:28:28 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> So its 3 45 min sessions each day?
14:28:44 <riecatnor> yes, was thinking that
14:28:54 <riecatnor> well, 3 of the "women in fedora" sessions
14:29:01 <riecatnor> then one join event
14:29:09 <riecatnor> 1-2 social sessions
14:29:17 <riecatnor> so a total of 5 sessions each day
14:29:23 <riecatnor> one track
14:30:02 <riecatnor> I do not think it needs to be a ton of content
14:30:48 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> I still am confused. Is it going to be 1 FWD spanned over 3 days, or multiple FWDs spanned over 3 days
14:31:00 <riecatnor> It is one event
14:31:04 <riecatnor> 3 days long
14:31:13 <riecatnor> with sessions spread over 3 days
14:31:43 <riecatnor> does that make more sense?
14:31:45 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> Then whey do we need an intro to fedora session each day?
14:32:38 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> why*
14:32:44 <riecatnor> so that different people can attend that
14:33:02 <riecatnor> its is 3x the chance to introduce people to fedora
14:34:01 <rparimi> the 45 min sessions, would the timing change if there are more people willing to share their experience?
14:34:16 <riecatnor> Meaning, we could have more than 3 sessions a day?
14:34:58 * jwf waves
14:35:06 <riecatnor> hiya jwf
14:35:08 <jwf> Hi all, sorry I'm late! Reading back…
14:35:10 <rparimi> or are we going to club everybody's 'how they got into fedora' to one session and then what they contribute to the next ?
14:35:31 <riecatnor> I feel like what I wrote is confusing
14:35:32 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> Can we have a 30 min session instead of 45? I would be  interested in knowing everyone's experiences, but sitting for 45*3 seems too much
14:36:40 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> @rparimi its like: if you wanna share your experience, you will have 45 mins dedicated to you to share it, with the given format.
14:37:09 <riecatnor> I think orionstar25, I dont think its too much, if anything we could get more. based on timezones there will be no way for everyone to make it to everything anyway?
14:37:32 <riecatnor> Like a half hour for the story, 15 minutes to discuss
14:37:59 <rparimi> riecatnor that makes sense
14:38:00 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> Alright sure
14:38:17 <riecatnor> that is what I was trying to get across with my notes in the doc, and I don't feel I did that effectively
14:38:27 <riecatnor> is there some changes I could make to clear that up
14:38:52 <jwf> #meetingname diversity
14:38:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity'
14:39:53 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> "How I become involved in Fedora" ---> "How I got involved with Fedora" ?
14:40:04 <rparimi> riecatnor no I understood it well thr first time I read it... not sure why I got sidetracked now :D
14:40:15 <riecatnor> #topic pause
14:40:17 <tg-fed-di> <o​rionstar25> "How do I contribute to Fedora or FOSS” ---> "How do I contribute to Fedora and FOSS now” "?
14:40:38 <riecatnor> I need to be real with you all right now
14:40:45 <riecatnor> This is not an effective meeting
14:41:42 <riecatnor> What we need to be doing is assigning actions, not debating the exact wording of sentences. although i think wording is important, that is asynchronous. The document is open. Make the changes.
14:42:35 <riecatnor> I am going to do my best to be more hands on with the D&I team. Ya'll seem to have a sickness lol it is over discussion, over analyzing, over processing things
14:42:42 <riecatnor> That is why I am here, stepping in to make this happen
14:43:12 <riecatnor> I am not trying to discourage anyone!! I am trying to say YOU all have the power to do simply DO things
14:43:57 <riecatnor> We have spent 45 minutes agreeing to almost nothing
14:44:27 <jwf> What was on the agenda for today? I can't find a link to the doc mentioned earlier
14:44:43 <riecatnor> jwf, I am a wild woman, no agenda in sight
14:44:50 <riecatnor> lol
14:45:31 <jwf> Hahah, got it. That could be a contributing factor for the difficulty in discussion though. I have found D&I team usually has better meetings when we have a clear agenda and goals in mind. FWD is a huge topic and it can always go in many different directions
14:46:00 <riecatnor> I think this is a really unqiue situation too bc it is virtual
14:46:10 <jwf> I think this is a common struggle with FWD is prioritizing the most important work at the current moment
14:46:12 <riecatnor> but, this is true across the team
14:46:13 <jwf> That too
14:46:35 <jwf> Personally I am not sure what we are trying to agree or discuss right now, but I know I am late
14:46:53 <riecatnor> I needed to pause the meeting bc I need to be real with everyone here
14:47:42 <jwf> Sure
14:47:50 <riecatnor> It is no intention to be negative or say that any work that has been done is wrong or bad... it is simply, how do work more effectively? We can't discuss things for weeks/months/years
14:48:30 <jwf> We need a project manager, or someone who can take ownership of moving decisions forward
14:48:35 <riecatnor> The team is small, and there is no one who is going to advise you besides me really. We have all the decision making power
14:48:52 <riecatnor> Yes, it may be me, but I need to adjust expectations for how we are going to work
14:49:01 * jwf nods
14:49:26 <jwf> If I could make a humble request, a meeting agenda in advance would be the most helpful thing for me to have productive meeting conversations and make sure we are moving things forward too when we meet
14:49:34 <jwf> This is what I struggled with though as meeting chair :(
14:49:51 <jwf> Easier said than done…
14:50:11 <riecatnor> So, has anyone here been to a mindshare meeting?
14:50:59 <riecatnor> maybe not :P ik siddharthvipul has
14:51:18 <siddharthvipul> what's that? :P
14:51:22 <siddharthvipul> jk jk
14:51:28 <riecatnor> I don't think it should be just the same, but I effectively run that meeting with no agenda and we make decisions during every single meeting
14:51:44 <riecatnor> Maybe it is because the decisions need less sensitivity
14:51:48 <jwf> Yes
14:51:51 <jwf> I was going to say that too
14:52:00 <riecatnor> (I am currently working this out in my head with everyone hear, thank you for going on this journey with me)
14:52:01 <jwf> I think Mindshare agendas are way more straightforward
14:52:04 <riecatnor> here*
14:52:16 <jwf> Oh for me too riecatnor :D
14:52:43 <riecatnor> The thing is, we will never be perfect
14:52:52 <riecatnor> what do they say?
14:52:57 <jwf> 8 minute time check… not sure how we want to wrap this up but I know there are big meetings in 8 minutes elsewhere
14:53:14 <riecatnor> perfection is the enemy of progress
14:53:46 <riecatnor> I think the team wants to do everything *RIGHT* and I think that is great, but there are many variations of right. We need to do the best thing for us, and just DO IT
14:54:00 <riecatnor> Yes, I see the time dwindling down.
14:54:04 <misc> riecatnor: "done is better than perfect", that's what was written in the fablab I used to go :)
14:54:19 <riecatnor> What is going to happen is I am going to take some of this feedback and update the doc
14:54:20 <jwf> ++
14:54:30 <riecatnor> rparimis blog post will go Monday
14:54:56 <rparimi> riecatnor tomorrow actually
14:55:00 <riecatnor> I will continue work on this and then write on the ticket with the actions that are up for grabs
14:55:02 <rparimi> its going on 2nd
14:55:09 <riecatnor> oh, YEA, tomorrow!!
14:55:15 <jwf> \o/
14:55:58 <riecatnor> If someone sees a *really big issue* with what I have on the document, please contact me directly. Otherwise, just make the change :D
14:56:21 <riecatnor> that means slight rewording, reviewing the languages I have chosen for tracks etc
14:56:29 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
14:56:59 <riecatnor> i said a lot of stuff
14:57:09 <riecatnor> anyone having thoughts/feelings about that?
14:57:26 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- orionstar25 commented on ticket fedora-diversity#170: "Change name for Meetings page in D&I Docs" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/170#comment-689295
14:57:48 <rparimi> umm...  have a question about the session.. I am diong it for the frist time
14:58:11 <riecatnor> mhm :)
14:58:12 <rparimi> is it like a presentation with screen share?
14:58:15 <riecatnor> yep
14:58:30 <tg-fed-di> <k​armadolkar> what is open floor?
14:58:32 <riecatnor> most people use video/audio
14:58:51 <riecatnor> karmadolkar, a few minutes to say whatever about fedora/d&i related things
14:58:59 <riecatnor> like maybe you know of an event, so you want to share that with the team
14:59:00 <rparimi> okay.... and I just joined Fedora and still learning alot... I am not sure if I can make a 30 min story though! woudl that be alright?
14:59:20 <riecatnor> if you would like rparimi :) we would welcome it
14:59:27 <misc> if you can only make 15 minutes, just spend 15 minutes on network and mic problem #protip :p
14:59:58 <misc> "can you...*scritch* me no*scritch*"
15:00:07 <riecatnor> Ok in one minute I have to run another meeting :P
15:00:11 <jwf> riecatnor: I know you did not mean it in a negative way… but I don't think it is a sickness we have on the team with making decisions. D&I has lacked a lot of the administrative support that other teams find through FESCo or Mindshare. Taking an inclusive-first mindset can be difficult for making consensus, but it is also not something useless either. There are things other teams take for granted that we don't necessarily have
15:00:19 <jwf> rparimi: BTW, the Docs Mentor Hour is moved to next Monday!
15:00:30 <jwf> I think I sent a calendar invite for the new day/time since we made today a meeting.
15:00:32 <riecatnor> I would like to hear about those things
15:00:45 <rparimi> jwf ohh no wonder I couldnt see any this week
15:00:48 <rparimi> thank you
15:00:53 <jwf> riecatnor: Sure. We can follow up on that next time :)
15:01:02 <jwf> riecatnor++ thank you for chairing today too!
15:01:06 <riecatnor> I said that with a bit too much cavalier
15:01:16 <riecatnor> It is more of a habit
15:01:34 <riecatnor> Apologies if that rubbed on anyone the wrong way.
15:01:37 <jwf> rparimi: No worries :D It is Monday, 5 October at 11:30 U.S. EDT
15:01:41 <riecatnor> I am here to help :)
15:01:53 <riecatnor> thanks everybody!
15:01:57 <riecatnor> #endmeeting