14:00:05 #startmeeting Fedora Accessibility Working Group 14:00:05 Meeting started Tue Aug 16 14:00:05 2022 UTC. 14:00:05 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:00:05 The chair is ekidney. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 14:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_accessibility_working_group' 14:00:20 ]o 14:00:29 #meetingname Fedora Accessibility WG 14:00:29 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_accessibility_wg' 14:00:30 * \o 14:00:34 #chair ekidney siddharthvipul1 14:00:34 Current chairs: ekidney siddharthvipul1 14:00:34 Good morning Emma Kidney :D 14:00:48 #topic Agenda 14:00:50 #info (1) Roll call / introductions 14:00:55 #info (2) Action items from last meeting 14:01:00 #info (3) Open Floor 14:01:08 #topic Roll call / introductions 14:01:27 VipulSiddharth[m: hi Vipul!! 14:01:34 How are you Emma? :) 14:01:41 How is everyone doing? :) Welcome to our first meeting on IRC 14:01:59 VipulSiddharth[m: I'm okay :D you? 14:02:13 I love text meetings 14:02:14 I like video interactions but this is great for Accessibility 14:02:33 ekidney: Great! 14:02:33 hey 14:02:33 just got out of a stressful call, 14:02:33 but I am done with that.. so very relaxed XD 14:02:36 Hello! First meeting I've been to so I can't wait! 14:02:45 Yah definitely! Plus it's easier for meeting logs too! 14:02:50 Rikard Grossman-Nielsen: Jess Chitas: welcome \o/ 14:02:59 Hi Rikard and Jess! 14:03:02 VipulSiddharth[m: welcome 14:03:41 👋 Im not too sure what goes on at these meetings so I'll be more so shadowing so I get the lay of the land for the next one 14:04:17 Jess Chitas: I am sure we are on similar path 14:04:17 we are working on planning our path so every input and feedback is welcomed ^-^ 14:04:17 jchitas: don't worry we're all figuring it out!! 14:04:44 perfecto! 14:05:20 I'll move onto the agenda 14:05:24 +! 14:05:26 * +1 14:05:27 #topic Action items from last meeting 14:05:33 #info Fedora Accessibility WG Gitlab got set up 14:05:39 #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/accessability 14:05:46 If you haven't already you can request access on the repo and I'll grant it to you :) 14:05:53 I started logging tickets from our previous meeting under issues 14:05:55 ekidney: especially i m thinking alot on how accessability can be improved for people wit functional diversity, aince i'm an nurodiverse person with asergers and adhd i think alot about how usablit in fedora an linux applictions can be improved for neurodiverse peole, but wr are also thinking aobut many other things 14:08:26 #undo 14:08:26 Removing item from minutes: 14:08:32 i forgot to do rollcall 14:08:41 we will have to undo 2 more times 14:08:51 #undo 14:08:51 Removing item from minutes: INFO by ekidney at 14:05:33 : Fedora Accessibility WG Gitlab got set up 14:09:20 #undo 14:09:20 Removing item from minutes: 14:09:24 yayy 14:09:32 let's do the rollcall 14:09:45 #topic Roll Call 14:09:49 .hello siddharthvipul1 14:09:50 VipulSiddharth[m: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' 14:09:54 .hello ekidney 14:09:55 ekidney: ekidney 'emma kidney' 14:10:00 .hello jesschitas 14:10:00 jchitas: jesschitas 'Jess Chitas' 14:10:24 .hello rikardgn 14:10:25 RikardGrossman-N: rikardgn 'Rikard Grossman-Nielsen' 14:10:32 ok perfect 14:10:42 thanks everyone 14:10:43 #topic Action items from last meeting 14:10:45 #info Fedora Accessibility WG Gitlab got set up 14:10:49 #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/accessability 14:10:56 If you haven't already you can request access on the repo and I'll grant it to you :) 14:11:04 ekidney++ 14:11:10 Just looking at the accessibility test week and that would be brilliant as then we an see what works already in terms of accessibility with Fedora and what needs to be improved 14:11:24 I started logging tickets from our previous meeting under issues and everyone is free to add tickets 14:11:36 Jess Chitas: that's a great idea 14:11:36 we have discussed surveys and reaching out to a bunch of groups to take feedback 14:11:51 we need to refine and define the outcome of surveys a bit though 14:12:23 > <@siddharthvipul1:fedora.im> Jess Chitas: that's a great idea 14:12:23 > we have discussed surveys and reaching out to a bunch of groups to take feedback 14:12:23 especially design wise as well, it would be really good too! 14:12:29 I have this further done on the agenda too :) 14:12:38 *down 14:12:39 as said before would love to see a list of compatiable braille keyboards etc that works with fedora 14:13:14 Rikard Grossman-Nielsen: would you like to own that task? 14:13:14 I would love to help 14:13:14 I am guessing that would be a call for information sharing? 14:13:24 we can plan a blog/post/tweet etc 14:13:24 vipul: possibbly 14:13:33 RikardGrossman-N: That would be great for the documentation! I can add it to the documentation sub-folder on gitlab 14:13:42 that's my thought too 14:14:04 VipulSiddharth[m: sounds good 14:14:13 #info Starting to work on documentation 14:14:29 I made a sub-folder in our Gitlab for the documentation for the accessible features Fedora has and then maybe a bit about our group. Do you think we should draft up documentation before starting to worry about it going up on the docs website? 14:14:58 We can draft and edit within this repo and then when complete we can contact docs team about adding it to the docs website. 14:15:04 #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/accessability/accessibility-docs 14:15:34 sounds like a good idea 14:15:38 I am +1 to that 14:15:58 I also propose we should use perhaps 15-20 minutes of next call to work on documentation bits 14:16:12 VipulSiddharth[m: good idea! 14:16:23 what do you think Rikard Grossman-Nielsen Jess Chitas 14:16:32 sounds great! 14:16:35 sounds good 14:16:38 #action put aside 15/20 mins for docs next call 14:16:50 Emma Kidney: let's use #agreed tag for that 14:16:58 oh lol 14:16:59 just nitpick :D 14:17:02 haha 14:17:27 #agreed 14:17:27 let's do an undo 14:17:27 #agreed 14:17:28 my mistake 14:17:28 I meant like this (if I may) 14:17:28 im still getting used to this lol 14:17:28 #undo 14:17:28 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by ekidney at 14:17:27 : 14:17:44 work away! 14:17:51 #undo 14:18:17 #agreed We will utilize 15 minutes of next video call to work on documentation draft 14:18:32 that's it :) 14:18:32 all yours now Emma 14:18:49 thanks Vipul! 14:19:03 of course! & thank you actually :) 14:19:09 next item 14:19:13 #info Getting FAS access still in progress 14:19:20 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10820 14:19:29 Not much to update here. Reached out to infra team again about granted access. Waiting for their response. Do you think I should open another ticket? 14:19:32 * RikardGrossman-N posted a file: (47KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/fedora.im/5a71a7852e230b78127c5c82a3d7bc5bc596e730/speechCwShare.pdf > 14:19:39 * RikardGrossman-N posted a file: (47KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/fedora.im/5a71a7852e230b78127c5c82a3d7bc5bc596e730/speechCwShare.pdf > 14:20:00 uploaded doucments to the usability evalution method congitive walktroguh 14:20:06 can upload them to gitlab later 14:20:09 Rikard Grossman-Nielsen: I would request waiting for the right topic or open floor 🫶 14:20:17 sure 14:20:17 oh that's a good idea 14:20:35 right, Emma, thank you for the update 14:20:35 I will take a look at the ticket and see if I can take that 14:20:56 thanks :) 14:21:14 #action siddharthvipul1 to reopen the ticket and research the process 14:21:33 next item 14:21:36 #info Help from DEI team with survey 14:21:41 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/233 14:21:47 I logged ticket with fedora dei for advice. They added some advice on the ticket. They are looking for more information about the survey we plan to make. 14:22:27 What do we plan on doing with the results? Who is the audience?Will this be ongoing, defined length, or recurrent survey? these are the questions they asked 14:23:13 I can update the ticket myself just wanted to share incase anyone had any advice :) 14:23:13 these are good questions 14:24:00 so one thing that came up recently 14:24:01 1 survey to identify compatible blind assistive hardwares with the Fedora Linux and document those 14:24:12 yes sounds good 14:24:32 2 plan a survey with open fields in Fedora Join process to identify accessibility pain points for a new comer 14:24:34 s/comer/comers/ 14:25:28 Could we do a survey maybe with people with colour blindness as well? or will this tie into the accessability survey too? 14:26:03 that's a good idea 14:26:03 but I feel there are resources and design guidelines for colorblind? (and how to use color palette with that in mind?) 14:26:10 maybe we can do a call for test? 14:26:51 jchitas: I think it would be under the umbrella of visual impairment? Like contrast is important for CB people as well as people with partial blindness 14:26:51 oh okay, if theres resources for that and its all good then that should be okay then! 14:28:28 when it comes to blind users i think the fedora community is a good place to start because in this case we wish yo make sure the speicifially run fedora os 14:28:46 s/the/they/ 14:29:19 Will we put a time length on the survey too? Maybe a month or so? And then run another after a length of time 14:29:32 +1 to timebox 14:29:53 i'm ever so slightly colour blind but it only shows up on these dot tests, so i really dont belong to the group colour blind and dont use a other colours due to that reason 14:30:22 #action ekidney to reply to DEI with more specifics for the survey 14:31:08 RikardGrossman-N: It's a spectrum! Very interesting researching the different types and how they see things 14:31:08 and then there are lots of lots of visual imparments also cognitive visual impairments where its difficult to intepret what is seen rather than having problems with the eyes 14:31:59 I think you can group everythings into 4 broad groups: visual, cognitive, physical and hearing 14:32:01 such as https://www.nei.nih.gov/learn-about-eye-health/eye-conditions-and-diseases/cerebral-visual-impairment-cvi 14:32:44 sounds like a reasonable ide 14:32:45 a' 14:33:24 then there also though who may hav limited field of vision due to having had a stroke or similiar but i unsure how many of that group are fedora users 14:34:05 RikardGrossman-N: hopefully the survey will help us with those pain points for users! 14:34:11 next item 14:34:21 #info Program team help still in progress 14:34:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_team/issue/37 14:34:39 I logged a ticket with the program team and are awaiting a response. Nothing really to add here. 14:34:44 so perhaps eventually spltting the visual group into optical impairment and cognitive impariments evenutally might make sensew 14:35:03 RikardGrossman-N: definitely! 14:35:19 next item 14:35:22 #info Accessibility Test Week updates 14:35:28 #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/accessability/issues/-/issues/4 14:35:39 cc sumantrom 14:35:46 I did and I have to open a ticket with Fedora QA 14:35:50 I added a ticket to our repo for this task. I know we talked about this last meeting so I logged it 14:36:11 and then it's all on Sumantro to help us plan things 14:36:11 we will need a wiki explaining details of what we are looking for 14:36:35 Like a wiki for our group or the week? 14:36:48 wiki for what we want to do in test week 14:36:57 i see 14:37:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2022-06-05_Kernel_5.18_Test_Week 14:37:14 VipulSiddharth[m: oh makes sense ;-) 14:37:34 this is for kernel test week 14:37:34 as you see 14:37:34 it talks about what to test, who is around during the week to answer, prerequisite and steps 14:37:41 are we talking about acessability testing or kernelq testing 14:38:24 we are talking about Accessibility test week :) 14:38:24 That kernel test week was an example of what kind of wiki we are talking about 14:39:02 #action siddharthvipul1 and sumantrom to make a test week wiki and plan next steps 14:39:34 i see, will if it would be possible to reuit blind users and have them report to us what accessabiioty defvices work form them and what problems they might encounter that would be a great thing 14:40:44 next item 14:40:45 #info Next meeting planned to be on August 30th at 2PM UTC 14:40:50 Does anyone have any objections? 14:40:55 Would people prefer it to be text based again or would you prefer Jitsi? 14:41:17 Im okay with it! 14:41:23 Anything works for me 14:41:23 ok 14:41:33 the date and time seems fine 14:42:07 let's do Just video (since we planned doc for last 15 minutes) 14:42:21 sounds ok 14:42:28 VipulSiddharth[m: oh yah forgot about that already :p 14:42:38 haha XD 14:43:07 ok so the next meeting to be on Jitsi, I'll send link before the meeting :) 14:43:14 good 14:43:24 perfectoo 14:43:34 #topic Open Floor 14:43:34 Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss? 14:44:04 i will try to to create a gitlab ccount and upload my basic untr slides on the method cognitive walkthrough to gitlab 14:44:33 RikardGrossman-N: That would be great! I might create an assets folder for information 14:44:43 yes do that 14:46:28 ok i'm off cya aug 30th 14:46:48 thanks so much! See ya thenn 14:46:57 bye Rikard! Thanks for coming :) 14:47:12 I'll end the meeting in 5 mins if anyone doesn't have anything else 14:47:16 thanks all <3 14:48:15 Thanks so much! Im gonna zoom as well! This was really interesting! 14:48:45 jchitas: Thanks for coming!!! :) 14:49:16 Everyone is going so I guess I'll end the meeting now 14:49:18 #endmeeting