12:59:53 <nb> #startmeeting docs fad day 2
12:59:53 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Mar 22 12:59:53 2014 UTC.  The chair is nb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
12:59:53 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
12:59:57 <jsmith> jjmcd: Your audio is awful this morning
13:00:03 <jsmith> jjmcd: It sounds very clipped
13:00:07 <jsmith> and echoing
13:00:11 <mribeirodantas> jjmcd: you're the one with a headset?
13:00:13 <jsmith> Sounds like terrible packet loss
13:00:25 <jsmith> mribeirodantas: That's zoglesby with the headset
13:00:30 <mribeirodantas> Oh, ok.
13:00:59 <mribeirodantas> I have no idea where I put my headset, plus my connection has been not that good lately. So I will try not to talk much there.
13:01:23 <nb> #chair mribeirodantas jsmith Sparks
13:01:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jsmith mribeirodantas nb
13:01:27 <nb> #chair zoglesby
13:01:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jsmith mribeirodantas nb zoglesby
13:01:30 <mribeirodantas> Thank you, nb.
13:01:41 <nb> #chair jhradilek jjmcd
13:01:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jhradilek jjmcd jsmith mribeirodantas nb zoglesby
13:01:51 <nb> feel free to chair others if needed
13:01:53 <nb> #chair jreznik
13:01:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jhradilek jjmcd jreznik jsmith mribeirodantas nb zoglesby
13:02:19 * nb just threw chairs at people
13:02:51 * mribeirodantas dodges with his python-fu
13:02:59 <jjmcd> Badly broken audio
13:03:21 <Sparks> jjmcd: :(
13:03:47 <jjmcd> It was fine when it was just me an Jaromir
13:04:08 <Sparks> jjmcd: I'm going to be doing a NTS training session for those here so expect some incoming messages.
13:04:15 <jhradilek> It's not us, we are on mute most of the time.
13:04:19 <mribeirodantas> I know it's too early for this, but is there any sort of report of what happened yesterday?
13:04:27 <mribeirodantas> Just to make sure I'm up to date with what was discussed..
13:04:28 <jjmcd> Videos even
13:04:32 <jhradilek> I don't want you to hear me clicking. :)
13:07:47 <mribeirodantas> Just to make sure I understood the goals of the FAD. We're not really going to write new documentation, right? It's basically discussions regarding documentation. Is that right?
13:08:29 <randomuser> mribeirodantas, we have been discussing, but we also wrote some yesterday
13:08:32 <jsmith> mribeirodantas: We're first going to have discussions *about* documentation, but we'll write some new docs as well
13:08:44 <jsmith> mribeirodantas: For example, I started a new chapter for the Security Guide last night
13:08:45 <jhradilek> Hopefully.
13:08:53 <mribeirodantas> Oh, I see.
13:09:05 <mribeirodantas> I've been a bit lazy for not getting involved in documentation, but I'd love to help.
13:09:13 <zoglesby> How do I fix Can't open publican: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/publican line 432.
13:09:22 * Sparks added most of the style guide to the documentation guide last night
13:09:33 <mribeirodantas> My main goal in here today is to watch you guys close enough so that I know how it works and I can not only contribute, but teach new contributors to do so too.
13:10:26 <jsmith> zoglesby: Look at the names (and capitalization) of your entities files
13:10:33 <mribeirodantas> I will be off for 30 min. Gotta do something in here ,sorry.
13:10:50 <jsmith> zoglesby: For example, if your entities file is "Test.ent", make sure it's not being referred to as "test.ent" in all your .xml files
13:10:58 <jsmith> zoglesby: Or, point me at a guide and I'll fix for you
13:11:21 <zoglesby> jsmith: I get that even if I do publican --help
13:12:03 <jjmcd> jhradilek, the video is way up to my left which is why I am sitting back off to the side
13:12:48 <jhradilek> jjmcd: Ah. :)
13:13:07 <jsmith> jjmcd: Your audio is really awful
13:13:33 <randomuser> Sparks has some handheld radios if you can reach us
13:14:52 <jsmith> #info jsmith tried to text/call Rudi, but didn't get a response
13:16:18 <jjmcd> I'm getting about every third syllable
13:17:09 <jjmcd> that sounds good
13:18:26 <nb> jsmith, ssh root@docs01.dev.cloud.fedoraproject.org
13:18:50 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_mentors
13:23:11 <randomuser> jjmcd, `git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/documentation-guide.git`
13:23:26 <randomuser> not that, sorry
13:23:52 <randomuser> jjmcd, ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/fedora-cookbook.gitssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/fedora-cookbook.git
13:27:38 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Docs_Project
13:29:08 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Introduce_yourself_to_the_Docs_Project
13:33:06 <randomuser> #link home for "easyfix" todo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_new_contributors
13:33:51 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification?rd=Ambassadors/CountryList#Israel_.282.29
13:34:00 <jsmith> cccccccbjtclufcjfhuvrvnediebhvncrjthvuhujdtd
13:34:02 <jsmith> ccccccddchcjgvcvjvhfkkjkuhgveeutljtbdcrihcth
13:34:08 * jsmith bumps his yubikey again
13:34:15 <Sparks> sekrets!
13:34:34 <zoglesby> jsmith: please use that key on your laptop for multifactor
13:34:43 <jsmith> Sparks: One-time secrets :-)
13:35:55 <jjmcd> #info Need to attend writers conferences and speak at them
13:39:44 <jjmcd> #idea Be more visible at other parts of project
13:47:01 <jjmcd> #idea Need to have introductory material before a big push to onboard new writers
13:48:19 <jjmcd> #idea need to augment written material with videos, other easily accessible materials
13:50:35 <randomuser> #idea add blurb about yelp to docs guide
13:51:11 <Capesteve> j hradilek uses yelp to previews docs
13:52:20 <randomuser> #idea document info on getting started with editors
13:53:02 <nb> #info swag has arrived at the RDU office
13:53:29 <jhradilek> #idea promote jhradilek's makefile
13:55:07 * mribeirodantas is back
13:55:50 <randomuser> 1. test book: a) build in pubican b) view in yelp
13:56:16 <randomuser> 2. new book workflow a) publican create b)validation, xmllint
13:56:16 <jhradilek> randomuser: You don't have to build it in publican to view it in yelp.
13:56:34 <randomuser> 3) environment, editors, etc
13:56:45 <jhradilek> randomuser: It validates the document for you and refreshes it in real life as soon as you save.
13:56:51 <randomuser> jhradilek, sharing jsmith's whiteboard in case you can't read it
13:56:58 <jhradilek> Ah. :)
13:56:59 <randomuser> 4. using revision control
13:57:28 <jhradilek> Can we use gobby instead of the whiteboard?
13:58:36 <jjmcd> jsmith is old school
14:01:13 <nb> jsmith, http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/repos/el6-docs/latest/
14:01:33 <jsmith> jhradilek: Good idea -- I'll fire up gobby
14:03:42 <jhradilek> Capesteve: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Gobby
14:03:51 <nb> #link http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/repos/el6-docs/latest/
14:03:53 <nb> #info that link is where koji hosts the latest version of everything in el6-docs
14:06:18 <jjmcd> We got a nice fresh coating of snow last night.  Grass was starting to show through to that fixed that
14:07:48 <randomuser> zoglesby, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Docs_Project#Yes updated
14:08:22 <jsmith> mribeirodantas: I'm not sure if you've used Gobby before, but it's a collaborative writing environment
14:08:37 <jsmith> mribeirodantas: More details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Gobby
14:08:38 <mribeirodantas> I think I have.
14:08:39 <zoglesby> randomuser: you have two steps that include introduction...
14:08:47 <zoglesby> randomuser: Join list and introduce yourself
14:08:57 <zoglesby> randomuser: Introduce yourself and we will help you get started.
14:10:01 <mribeirodantas> jsmith: are you guys there already?
14:10:53 * jjmcd was filling coffee cup
14:12:16 <mribeirodantas> Within a month and a half I will be joining lots of fedora contributors in FISL (event). Maybe I can drag some people into documentation
14:12:33 <mribeirodantas> There are some new people who aren't even aware of it, I think.
14:14:11 <jsmith> mribeirodantas: Yes, we're in Gobby already
14:14:35 <mribeirodantas> Connecting.
14:15:33 <mribeirodantas> I'm there.
14:16:40 <Sparks> #info {{Moved_to_guide}} can be used on the wiki to mark pages that have been moved to a guide.
14:24:05 <mribeirodantas> croberts: hey :-)
14:32:57 <jhradilek> Sparks, randomuser: Are you guys muted on purpose?
14:33:25 <randomuser> jhradilek, sparks has a muting compulsion, i think
14:33:43 <randomuser> I was just asking about publishing online in other places, ie amazon
14:33:46 <mribeirodantas> I can't hear a thing anymore.
14:33:51 <jhradilek> :) We are muted as well, but that's because we are now really off topic. Also, jeischmann is here.
14:35:26 <mribeirodantas> :-)
14:37:27 <randomuser> lnovich should see about an ambassador kit from jeischmann
14:41:50 <jhradilek> He already gave her stickers, buttons, and DVDs. :)
14:43:15 <nb> randomuser, do you need any tshirts?
14:43:52 <randomuser> nb, you've been spending too much time on irc
14:44:58 <nb> PIZZA!!!
14:45:38 <nb> .fasinfo mribeirodantas
14:45:39 <zodbot> nb: User: mribeirodantas, Name: Marcel Ribeiro Dantas, email: ribeirodantasdm@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-04-28, IRC Nick: mribeirodantas, Timezone: America/Fortaleza, Locale: pt_BR, GPG key ID: , Status: active
14:45:42 <zodbot> nb: Unapproved Groups: marketing l10n-commits l10n-editor
14:45:45 <zodbot> nb: Approved Groups: docs-writers fedorabugs docs videos cvsl10n freemedia ambassadors cla_done cla_fpca
14:45:46 <nb> mribeirodantas, ^^^
14:46:41 <mribeirodantas> Thank you, nb :-)
14:47:02 <nb> no problem
14:50:14 <jsmith> Sparks: http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/variablelist.html
14:50:25 <jsmith> Sparks: http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/varlistentry.html
14:52:11 <Sparks> jsmith: Thanks
14:55:54 <jjmcd> hmm, my bluejeans has been "Reconnecting" for a while now
14:56:44 <jsmith> jjmcd: Sounds to us like you're having networking issues
14:57:00 <jjmcd> Sure seems that way
14:57:30 <zoglesby> I had to run out,  what is going on right now?
14:58:22 <randomuser> zoglesby, mild hacking on documentation guide here
14:58:31 <randomuser> lunch? in brno
14:59:10 <pbokoc> sort of, yeah
14:59:31 <pbokoc> we're stuffing our faces all the time, so it's hard to distinguish between lunchtime and not-lunchtime
14:59:54 <Sparks> pbokoc: +1
15:00:16 <Sparks> It appears the patio at the Tower is closed for the season.  :(
15:00:19 <zoglesby> style.xml needs fix, but I don't want to change it if someone is working on it
15:00:27 <jhradilek> Anyway, we are ready to unmute. :)
15:00:43 <Sparks> zoglesby: Yeah, we're working on it.
15:00:56 <Sparks> zoglesby: Jared is working on marking up another section of text.
15:01:05 <zoglesby> Sparks: okay
15:02:24 <jjmcd> jsmith, I'm thinking it isn't network, for whatever reason the bluejeans thing is hammering my cpu.  I did an iso d/l to get a read onspeed and I'm getting >30Mb/s
15:03:55 * randomuser creates https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Cookbook_Wishlist
15:04:02 <randomuser> for some easyfix tickets
15:05:55 <pbokoc> git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/documentation-guide.git
15:10:06 <randomuser> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/infrastructure/2014-March/014142.html
15:16:02 <randomuser> #action lnovich to coordinate office hours for her surrounding time zones
15:16:37 <randomuser> #action randomuser to coordinate office hours for his surrounding time zones
15:17:23 <mribeirodantas> Sorry guys, my internet connection is pretty unstable. I keep being reconnected to BlueJeans, so I will stop trying.
15:17:28 <mribeirodantas> But I'm still here with you :-)
15:18:11 <jjmcd> mribeirodantas, I was up and down too, but it seems to have stabilized
15:25:11 <jjmcd> They're going to torch near some gas lines next door, so if I suddenly disappear, the explosion was big
15:25:16 <randomuser> #info we should encourage participation in Fedora {magazine,planet}
15:25:26 <randomuser> jjmcd, you have all the fun!
15:25:36 <mribeirodantas> jjmcd: wow
15:25:36 <mribeirodantas> ahah
15:25:45 <jjmcd> Yeah, first a fire at the nuke, now this
15:25:55 <jjmcd> interesting week
15:27:31 <randomuser> http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ - trac only ?
15:28:01 <randomuser> #action nb to see if easyfix app sources trac only
15:40:48 <nb> #info do a Fedora classrom session: you will get a badge!
15:41:38 <randomuser> #info cheating for badges is lame
15:41:54 <nb> randomuser, i forgot, the badge requires >1 person to get it
15:42:00 <nb> jsmith, try the docs01.dev now
15:42:41 <jsmith> nb: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/87649/95502935
15:43:29 <jsmith> nb: I mean, http://paste.fedoraproject.org/87651/39550299/
15:47:18 <jjmcd> zakly
15:47:40 <Sparks> jjmcd: 888 240 2560
15:47:49 <jjmcd> If we are going to put suff on  youtube then we will want some quality content, not all that easy to produce
16:08:29 <randomuser> #info zoglesby to track server WG
16:08:45 <randomuser> #info jsmith to track cloud wg
16:08:58 <randomuser> #info randomuser to track workstation wg
16:09:44 <pkovar> i am going to track env-stack (i already am, actually)
16:10:02 <randomuser> ah, o fcourse
16:10:05 <jsmith> :-)
16:10:12 <randomuser> #info pkovar to track env-and-stacks
16:10:17 <pkovar> ty -)
16:10:37 <nb> #chair pkovar
16:10:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jhradilek jjmcd jreznik jsmith mribeirodantas nb pkovar zoglesby
16:19:49 <jhradilek> rkratky: Do you wanna join our FAD, by the way?
16:20:58 <nb> jjmcd, welcome back
16:21:00 <rkratky> jhradilek, i've been following the channel silently. not sure there's much i can do from here
16:21:10 <nb> rkratky, would you like to either call or video call in?
16:21:52 * randomuser notes the schedule is flesible by design :)
16:21:54 <rkratky> nb, not sure about the video call, but i can definitely voice call
16:21:55 <jhradilek> rkratky: We use videoconferencing equipment.
16:22:00 <randomuser> wee... flexible
16:22:14 <jjmcd> <---- typed quit instead of part in the other channel
16:22:19 <jhradilek> Sparks: Could you please provide rkratky with info on how to join the BJ session?
16:22:25 <Sparks> yeah
16:22:45 <jhradilek> jjmcd: That happens to me with /query. :)
16:22:56 <Sparks> rkratky: Where are you?
16:23:13 <rkratky> Sparks, Prague
16:23:29 <jhradilek> Sparks: He's on my team, just not in Brno ATM.
16:24:31 <Sparks> rkratky: +420 22 888 2256 -> Conference ID: 643148579 -> Conference ID: 643148579
16:24:57 <Sparks> jhradilek: Yeah, there are lots of phone numbers available.  Didn't want to give him the US number if there was a better number.
16:25:09 <Sparks> rkratky: Participant Passcode: 4847
16:26:53 <randomuser> #info discussing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_QA_Procedure