18:00:55 <randomuser> #startmeeting
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18:01:23 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs Office Hours
18:01:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs_office_hours'
18:01:51 <mpduty1> hi randomuser
18:01:53 <randomuser> #topic publishing progress
18:01:55 <randomuser> hi
18:03:47 <randomuser> who is here today?
18:04:03 <ciupicri> me
18:04:39 <ciupicri> oops, I haven't noticed that there's a meeting going on :-)
18:07:45 <randomuser> ok, i'm off the phone, onto the laptop
18:07:57 <randomuser> ciupicri, it's an informal thing, just a designated time to hang out
18:10:14 <randomuser> a working session
18:23:05 * zoglesby is here, but also not
18:23:13 <randomuser> ack
18:23:21 <randomuser> hey rudi_ , are you here?
18:32:20 * radnomuser` gripe gripe
18:35:28 <randomuser> i'll see if changing the nameserver helps
18:35:55 <zoglesby> randomuser: what's up?
18:36:10 <randomuser> my irc connection keeps timing out
18:37:13 <randomuser> ...but not with a different nameserver,so far
18:37:16 <randomuser> eeeenteresting
19:03:33 <randomuser> okay, mail sent to test@
19:07:53 <randomuser> i'll leave the meeting open for a bit, Sparks hasn't done the traditional oops-is-it-over yet  :P
19:21:12 <ignatenkobrain> hi
19:21:44 <randomuser> hello
19:22:01 <ignatenkobrain> how I can help ? ;)
19:22:05 <randomuser> ha!
19:22:38 <randomuser> I have a big list, ignatenkobrain - what would you *like* to do?
19:23:54 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser: I like QA, packaging ;)
19:24:24 <ignatenkobrain> now want to write something ;)
19:24:31 <randomuser> nice
19:24:56 <randomuser> we have a big stack of books you could hack on
19:25:16 <randomuser> or if you want to write a short tutorial style thing, i recently created a book just for those thigns
19:25:49 <ignatenkobrain> yeah, I'd like to write short/not short tutorials ;)
19:25:57 <ignatenkobrain> let me know what to do !
19:26:02 <randomuser> awesome, hang on
19:26:45 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, i suspect you won't be offended if I point you at a git repo and ask you to build a doc?
19:26:58 <randomuser> i can build it for you if so, that's not a problem
19:27:10 * randomuser probably should do that anyway
19:27:47 <ignatenkobrain> what you mean in "build a doc" ?
19:28:08 <ignatenkobrain> anyway point me to the git repo
19:28:17 <randomuser> the books are written in docbook; we use a tool called 'publican' to make html, pdf, etc
19:28:43 <randomuser> if you prefer, you can just write your tutorial in markdown or whatever, pandoc and I can do the rest
19:28:57 <randomuser> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/fedora-cookbook.git
19:29:16 <randomuser> you want to also install publican publican-fedora
19:30:27 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, really, i just want to get you to the introduction/directions to this book for now
19:31:10 <ignatenkobrain> first I need choose theme..
19:31:33 <ignatenkobrain> will you here after 1h ?
19:31:45 <randomuser> it's very possible
19:32:10 <ignatenkobrain> I have to go for now (moving to the home). I'll ping you ASAP.
19:32:22 <randomuser> Sparks, your GPG key recipe is &lt;sloppy&gt;
19:32:30 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, okay, talk to you soon
19:39:30 <Sparks> randomuser: Oh is it office hours again?
19:39:34 <randomuser> heh
19:39:50 <Sparks> randomuser: Yes, I was just trying to get notes out the door.
19:39:53 <randomuser> Sparks, my recipes are waay more broken than yours
19:43:00 <Sparks> randomuser: Then what you complaining about?
19:43:04 <Sparks> jsmith: You about?
19:44:06 <randomuser> no complaints, just observations
19:55:40 <Sparks> randomuser: heh
20:06:10 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, if you cloned that already, do a `git pull` to grab the commit i just pushed to fix the build
20:07:01 <randomuser> then `publican build --lang en-US --format html;firefox tmp/en-US/html/index.html`
20:10:29 <randomuser> OR!
20:10:36 <randomuser> read it here: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/cookbook/chap-Documentation-Fedora_Cookbook-Test_Chapter.html
20:34:31 <ignatenkobrain> I'm here
20:34:45 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser: installing publican and publicn-fedora
20:34:54 <randomuser> ack
20:35:13 <ignatenkobrain> su much perl depends ^^
20:35:18 <randomuser> yah
20:35:22 <ignatenkobrain> s/su/so/
20:35:31 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, did you think of a topic on your way home?
20:36:23 <ignatenkobrain> I thought, again thought.... Should take a look other articles
20:36:46 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, think about the simple stuff you do right after installing a new fedora version
20:36:50 <ignatenkobrain> want to write about packaging
20:37:16 <randomuser> ah, for packaging, i will point you at the packager's guide
20:37:23 <ignatenkobrain> I'm not installing new fedora version :D
20:37:30 <randomuser> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/packagers-guide.git/https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/packagers-guide.git/
20:37:34 <randomuser> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/packagers-guide.git/
20:37:35 <randomuser> ...
20:37:52 <randomuser> pkovar is distilling the packaging docs on the wiki into that
20:38:32 <ignatenkobrain> Unknown option: lang
20:38:37 <ignatenkobrain> Unknown option: format
20:38:42 <ignatenkobrain> Can't open publican: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/publican line 385.
20:38:51 <randomuser> whaa!
20:39:06 <ignatenkobrain> 385 GetOptions( \%opts, @optns, )
20:39:54 <randomuser> you're in the cloned directory, with a publican.cfg in the top level?
20:40:21 <ignatenkobrain> publican.cfg: ASCII text
20:40:23 <ignatenkobrain> yep
20:40:30 <randomuser> oh, it is --langs --formats sorry
20:40:47 <randomuser> that changed recently, muscle memory took over :)
20:41:06 <ignatenkobrain> heh
20:41:31 <jhradilek> randomuser: That changed a year ago! :))
20:41:59 <randomuser> jhradilek, i just got rid of my F18 box _last weekend_ !
20:42:00 <ignatenkobrain> jhradilek: :D
20:42:43 <ignatenkobrain> why in index.html I don't see articles about ssh, gpg, etc ?
20:43:01 <randomuser> i think they are not included
20:43:32 <randomuser> or the include was commented out
20:44:31 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, jhradilek is around often and a good person to come to with questions
20:44:41 <jhradilek> ignatenkobrain: Hello. :)
20:44:48 <ignatenkobrain> jhradilek: hi :)
20:45:35 <ignatenkobrain> 12:45 am here
20:46:03 <ignatenkobrain> :(
20:46:13 <ignatenkobrain> I've taked a look for ssh-keygen art
20:46:22 <ignatenkobrain> seems cool
20:46:30 <ignatenkobrain> but can't determine theme
20:46:33 <randomuser> art?
20:46:39 <ignatenkobrain> article
20:47:38 <randomuser> the theme isn't very broad; just a short article on how to create an ssh key
20:51:34 <ignatenkobrain> hmmm. I wrote in my blog about "libvirt from user", "selinux support regex", "some interesting for me options in git", "setup xorg config for Trackpoint in ThinkPad"
20:51:48 <ignatenkobrain> is something like interesting ?
20:51:58 <ignatenkobrain> like this*
20:52:33 <randomuser> sure, those are great!
20:53:22 <randomuser> that's one goal of the cookbook; bring in stuff that people have already written for their blogs, polish it a little, get it translated and published
20:56:02 <ignatenkobrain> nice!! so, I'll have a sleep, work and tomorrow at evening will start writing something
20:56:14 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser, jhradilek: goodnight ;)
20:56:30 <randomuser> goodnight, see you around
20:56:49 <zoglesby> Wow, this is still going!
20:56:56 <zoglesby> And people are here!
20:57:02 <zoglesby> WIN!
20:59:51 <jhradilek> ignatenkobrain: Good night!
20:59:51 <randomuser> are you here now, zoglesby ?
21:00:36 <randomuser> zoglesby, jhradilek - did I paste this link here? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/docs-backend/en-US/
21:00:59 <zoglesby> randomuser: 404
21:01:30 <randomuser> zoglesby, it's coming from varnish - give it a few tries
21:01:55 <jhradilek> randomuser: Ha, I can see it!
21:02:01 <zoglesby> randomuser: now it works...
21:02:37 <zoglesby> randomuser: this is coming from the docs backend server, so that we don't need to ssh?
21:03:12 <randomuser> zoglesby, coming indirectly, as you noticed, but we don't need the tunnel
21:03:37 <zoglesby> randomuser: very nice
21:03:48 <randomuser> thank nirik
21:04:45 <randomuser> there are things that I like about the default theme, that we should think about keeping
21:05:03 <randomuser> like the way the TOC appears for the books
21:05:05 <zoglesby> randomuser: there are also things that we should not keep
21:05:16 <zoglesby> randomuser: I do like the TOC
21:05:31 <randomuser> the boring grey color scheme can go
21:05:52 <zoglesby> +1
21:06:08 <randomuser> the splash page's menu structure might not scale well with lots of releases and books
21:06:27 <zoglesby> and we need a logo that is transparent
21:06:42 <randomuser> it would be nice to have it be legacy->19->20
21:07:51 <zoglesby> randomuser: good point, I did not think of that
21:08:47 <zoglesby> randomuser: also what are we going to due about old docs? Are we going to leave a copy of the old site up, or are we going to do the work of packaging old versions of docs?
21:09:07 <zoglesby> do, not due
21:09:29 <Sparks> zoglesby: I believe rudi was going to package the old versions.
21:09:37 <randomuser> I'm fine with that
21:09:43 <Sparks> zoglesby: I had planning on doing the SG as long as it wasn't too crazy
21:10:07 <randomuser> we'll have to make sure that everything we want current is published, of course
21:10:08 <zoglesby> Sparks: that is great, as long as rudi has the time.
21:10:45 <Sparks> zoglesby: Wait until 7.0 is released...  :)
21:10:49 <randomuser> it might be better said that rudi was planning that it be done; that's one thing he pointed me at when I offered to help
21:11:22 <zoglesby> randomuser: we may need to start moving current docs over soon (maybe at office hours?)
21:11:39 <randomuser> yeah, we need to start thinking about that
21:12:02 <zoglesby> randomuser: is everything working with the expection of the theme?
21:12:13 <randomuser> #action randomuser to talk to lnovich about packaging docs during emea office hours rtoo
21:12:31 <zoglesby> rtoodtoo
21:12:49 <randomuser> zoglesby, there are a couple changes I need to make to the playbook, and i'm confused about how parts of the theme appear to come from different packages
21:13:01 <randomuser> but mostly the CSS, yeah
21:13:03 <randomuser> #undo
21:13:03 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by randomuser at 21:12:13 : randomuser to talk to lnovich about packaging docs during emea office hours rtoo
21:13:09 <randomuser> #action randomuser to talk to lnovich about packaging docs during emea office hours too
21:13:18 <randomuser> #rundo!
21:19:23 <randomuser> Sparks, i have radio codeplugs to create, do you know software that can help me be lazy about it?
21:36:48 <randomuser> ok, it does XML
21:52:06 <randomuser> hey, good office hours today!
21:52:10 <randomuser> #endmeeting