19:08:26 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Office Hours
19:08:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 19 19:08:26 2015 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:13:11 <smccann> randomuser - question on the update to the virtualization guide if you're here
19:13:22 <randomuser> smccann, sure, I'm here
19:13:39 <smccann> i followed these directions from the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_virtualization and they worked great
19:13:51 <smccann> should I just port them to docbook and add screencaps here and there?
19:14:09 <smccann> not sure what the relationship between the wiki and the official guides is
19:15:08 <randomuser> smccann, there's rarely a formal or predictable relationship, but that wiki page looks like a solid resource to build from
19:15:34 <smccann> ok thanks. and the guidelines last week were to branch the guide and make changes, yes?
19:15:53 <randomuser> yes, I think it is best to work in a branch
19:16:05 <smccann> ok will do. thanks
19:16:22 <randomuser> How are you with git?  Can I help you get started?
19:17:16 <smccann> I can clone and build a book. :-) I haven't looked yet on how to branch but I figure google is my friend.
19:17:36 <smccann> i'll pop in here if I get stuck.  Are there any good editors for docbook or is emacs the way to go?
19:18:30 <randomuser> emacs works nicely, as does vim
19:19:03 <randomuser> jhradilek has some addons for both to help with docbook; I use the vim stuff and can help you with that if you like
19:19:39 <randomuser> I haven't set up the emacs stuff, so he could help there if emacs is your tool of choice
19:19:54 <smccann> emacs I know (sorta) vim for some reason just fried my brain and I had to search every time to find out how to close the dang editor :-P
19:19:57 <jhradilek> smccann: Good thing is that my snippets are pretty much the same in Emacs, Vim, and Gedit.
19:20:08 <smccann> :-) emacs it is then!
19:20:19 <jhradilek> https://github.com/jhradilek/emacs-docbook-snippets
19:20:26 <smccann> gracias!
19:21:59 <jhradilek> The idea is that you just type the name of an XML element, press tab and it automatically completes it, indents it, prefills commonly used attributes, etc. It makes writing in XML much more comfortable in my opinion.
19:22:35 <smccann> sounds good.
19:23:33 <randomuser> smccann, before you get too far along, please log in to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts and work through the account setup checklist
19:24:10 <randomuser> you at least need to do the CLA thing, so we're clear on redistributing your work
19:24:37 <smccann> I think i'm in those already. I've been doing QA testing here and there for a few months. smccann2 I think is my account cuz smccann was taken
19:24:51 <randomuser> ahhh
19:24:52 <randomuser> okay
19:25:03 <randomuser> .fasinfo smccann2
19:25:05 <zodbot> randomuser: User "smccann2" doesn't exist
19:25:10 <randomuser> .fasinfo smccann
19:25:16 <zodbot> randomuser: User: smccann, Name: Shawn McCann, email: mccann0011@hotmail.com, Creation: 2005-05-30, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: C41550CC, Status: inactive
19:25:19 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: fedorabugs cla_fedora
19:25:24 <smccann> yeah that one's not me :-)
19:25:31 <smccann> lemme find my real fedora username...
19:25:35 <randomuser> .fasinfo scmccann
19:25:36 <zodbot> randomuser: User: scmccann, Name: Sandra McCann, email: scmccann@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
19:25:42 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: None
19:26:17 <randomuser> I think it's that one ?
19:26:20 <smccann> ah sorry  - mccann2 is my fedora account
19:26:37 <randomuser> .fasinfo mccann2
19:26:38 <zodbot> randomuser: User: mccann2, Name: Sandra McCann, email: scmccann2000@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
19:26:41 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: qa fedorabugs cla_fpca cla_done
19:26:53 <smccann> huh... so I'm there twice...hmm.
19:27:03 <smccann> must have brainfarted on the account creation.
19:27:05 <randomuser> nice, that one's 2000 better than the first
19:27:43 <smccann> yeah that's the one I've been using.
19:27:45 <randomuser> I vaguely recall some issues with FAS infrastructure around that time
19:28:01 <randomuser> I, on the other hand, have no excuse for my redundant FAS account.
19:28:06 <smccann> I should try and delete the first one.  realistically I probably just forgot to write the name down and had to recreate
19:28:28 <randomuser> You can't delete it, but you can set it to not active
19:28:31 <randomuser> .fasinfo randomuser
19:28:32 <zodbot> randomuser: User: randomuser, Name: None, email: duplicateoffasuser-immanetize@petetravis.com, Creation: 2010-03-18, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
19:28:35 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: cla_fedora
19:28:54 <randomuser> ...like I thought I did with this one
19:29:32 <smccann> heh
19:30:36 <smccann> oh now I know why I can't go fix that first one  - it's the wrong email address!  that was what I fatfingered
19:31:12 <randomuser> You can borrow a pair of my patent pending typing mittens, if you like
19:31:22 <smccann> heh
19:31:25 * randomuser uses the typing mittens when his elbows get sore
19:34:48 <randomuser> smccann, seriously though, if you know that account is yours, can't log in, and want some action taken, mail admin@fedoraproject.org
19:35:05 <randomuser> in the meantime, I'll sponsor your real account into the docs group
19:35:06 <smccann> ok thanks
19:37:25 <randomuser> .fasinfo mccann2
19:37:26 <zodbot> randomuser: User: mccann2, Name: Sandra McCann, email: scmccann2000@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
19:37:29 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: docs qa fedorabugs cla_fpca cla_done
19:37:38 <randomuser> that's better :)
19:38:13 <smccann> :-) thanks
19:38:51 <randomuser> welcome, officially, to the docs team!
19:39:30 <smccann> ah.. immanetize == randomuser!  I feel like I just earned my first secret decoder ring!
19:39:57 <randomuser> yup, that's me
19:40:30 <randomuser> .fasinfo immanetize
19:40:31 <zodbot> randomuser: User: immanetize, Name: Pete Travis, email: me@petetravis.com, Creation: 2011-10-17, IRC Nick: randomuser, Timezone: US/Mountain, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 2D31EC9E, Status: active
19:40:35 <zodbot> randomuser: Unapproved Groups: gitcreate-tx-configuration
19:40:37 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_done fedorabugs packager gitpublican-fedora +sysadmin-docs sysadmin-hosted sysadmin-web @docs @docs-writers @docs-publishers sysadmin-ask +sysadmin @gitjenkinscat-docs
19:40:57 <smccann> :-)
19:41:49 <randomuser> hrm.. I should probably re-retire create-tx-configuration
19:42:34 <randomuser> and RFE zanata to properly create zanata.xml configs with langmap
19:42:40 * randomuser goes to file a bug
19:49:15 <randomuser> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1194439
19:53:08 <randomuser> jhradilek, any news on jenkinscat?
19:56:12 <jhradilek> randomuser: Had other priorities, sorry. :( I wish I could delegate it, but I do have it on my TODO list.
19:59:25 <randomuser> jhradilek, no worries
19:59:57 <randomuser> I've been looking at buildbot in the meantime; more complex to start up, but it appears dramatically more extensible
20:00:21 <randomuser> at least for someone with my skillset; basic python, no java
20:04:34 <jhradilek> randomuser: So you wanna start working on BuildCat? :)
20:05:37 <randomuser> jhradilek, I just might! The VM usage here has escalated recently; I need to add memory to the server soon
20:06:10 <randomuser> which probably just means taking it out of the workstation and putting it in the server
20:09:20 <randomuser> the idea I have at this point is including some metadata in each resource that will describe it's position in the site structure, description, etc
20:09:22 <randomuser> then invoke something similar to what threebean is using for whatcanidoforfedora.org to parse it and build the site
20:09:24 <randomuser> and tack it on to the end of the build jobs
20:42:37 * randomuser calls it an hour
20:42:44 <randomuser> #endmeeting