19:21:19 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora DOcs Office Hours
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19:21:34 <randomuser> .pingdocs Fedora Docs Office Hours, better late than never
19:39:08 <Capesteve> randomuser: Hello
19:39:14 <randomuser> hey Capesteve
19:39:30 <randomuser> I forgot to publish the sysadmin guide, didn't I :(
19:39:41 <Capesteve> maybe
19:39:51 <Capesteve> or you could just have been very busy
19:40:07 <randomuser> yeah, I'll go with that :)
19:40:55 <Capesteve> There are one or two bugs which need a link added to the new grub chapter, hence my interest
19:41:38 <randomuser> I'll do it now, if I can get this stubborn nfs mount to take...
19:42:15 <Capesteve> nfs = new fine steed
19:42:29 <Capesteve> sounds like a Montana Rodeo
19:42:39 <randomuser> heh
19:42:54 <randomuser> I've never been to a rodeo
19:42:59 * randomuser is not a horse person
19:43:24 <Capesteve> it was the word 'mount' that set me off
19:43:39 <Capesteve> not that it take much to send my brain off at a tangent
19:43:51 * randomuser gets the netfs spurs
19:44:21 <Capesteve> cue the music from rawhide
19:44:55 <randomuser> the whistling from the good, the bad, and the ugly
19:45:23 <randomuser> I think my fileserver decided to kerberize itself
19:45:24 <Capesteve> excellent choice
19:45:28 <Capesteve> Do you use rsyslog at work?
19:46:32 <randomuser> I probably would, but I do not make engineering decisions at work so there's a whole bunch of stuff scattered around the /opt of SLES 10 boxes I have to dig though
19:47:01 <Capesteve> I have been doing battle with it recently, had to ask help as the docs are sub-optimal
19:47:39 <Capesteve> will have something for the guide in 2 weeks or 4
19:48:15 <randomuser> let me guess - you're subscribed to the Fedora user's list and the last thread on setting up rsyslog tipped you over the edge
19:49:25 <Capesteve> no no, it was a task that fell to me due to day job
19:50:24 <randomuser> every couple months someone upgrades from F-deadsinceforever to F-now and shows up on that list with a strong sense of betrayal because things are different
20:00:52 <Capesteve> randomuser: VNC update comming
20:01:19 <randomuser> cool.  Have you played with x2go yet, Capesteve ?
20:01:24 <randomuser> I hear good things
20:05:06 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/FtZt
20:08:47 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/NLPb
20:09:00 <Capesteve> randomuser: please git pull the 21 branch
20:09:17 <Capesteve> build baby build
20:09:35 * randomuser pulls
20:10:00 <randomuser> ohhh pictures!
20:10:30 <Capesteve> not seen x2go efore
20:10:53 <randomuser> Capesteve, there is a more complete zanata.xml language mapping section in release-notes.git:f21
20:12:34 <randomuser> Capesteve, my lunchbreak is over, but I might have time to publish in the next few hours; if not, then when I'm off work
20:12:49 <Capesteve> ok,ta
22:35:51 <Capesteve> G' night
23:12:00 <apatel> randomuser: I won't be able to do much on the fedora project for the next few months, I am in the hospital with probable brain damage
23:12:45 <randomuser> apatel, !!! Nevermind about Fedora!
23:13:22 <apatel> they're running me through with scans lol
23:13:25 <randomuser> that sounds _serious_, can I ask what happened?
23:13:32 <apatel> CT, fmri, etc.
23:14:08 <apatel> I've been having blackouts, loss of memory, constant dizziness
23:14:32 <apatel> lack of eye focus, trouble in comprehension of visual stimuli
23:14:42 <apatel> this typing and reading hurts like hell
23:14:54 <randomuser> you probably just need to poop.
23:14:55 <apatel> anyways, I just wanted to tell you that
23:15:19 <apatel> they ran blood tests, nothing came up, and I went this morning
23:15:25 <apatel> cya
23:15:35 <randomuser> yeah, thanks, I appreciate that. Hope you recover quickly and decisively.
23:46:53 <rm200910> Hello. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines has spelling mistakes "permissable" should be "permissible". I can't edit it so I came here to ask if you can change it.
23:46:56 <rm200910> THanks
06:14:40 <Capesteve> randomuser: G'mornin
06:14:57 <randomuser> hey Capesteve !
06:16:19 <Capesteve> Any good news?
06:16:30 <randomuser> Capesteve, what's the traditional breakfast for south africans living in CZ?
06:16:49 <Capesteve> porridge
06:17:02 <Capesteve> which I am eating now
06:17:19 <randomuser> good news? meh.  I've been doing a bunch of cleanup/maintenance stuff; closing old bugs, publishing your guide, updating some packages, nothing exciting
06:18:56 <randomuser> just porridge? no bonus fruits or berries or bacons?
06:19:07 <Capesteve> no
06:19:12 <Capesteve> just salt
06:21:12 <Capesteve> Thank you very much for publishing the guide
06:21:47 <randomuser> yes, you're welcome
06:23:04 <Capesteve> that docs server is slow
06:23:41 <Capesteve> takes 10sec or more to load a page
06:25:56 <randomuser> which one?
06:26:59 <Capesteve> now its faster again, I was slow when loading the new chapter
06:27:27 <Capesteve> not I clicked a link in the chapter index and it loaded the page quickly
06:27:37 <Capesteve> ...s/not/now/
06:28:22 <randomuser> hm, maybe it was in the middle of syncing
06:28:47 <Capesteve> could be
15:35:08 <randomuser> hey Corey84, want to help with the release notes?
15:35:19 <randomuser> hint: the correct answer is "yes"
15:35:25 <Corey84> can't at this very moment  but sure what oyu need
15:35:48 <randomuser> sure, not right *now*
15:35:57 <randomuser> there's this wiki page, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Documentation_Beats
15:36:11 <randomuser> basically, if you know something new or interesting, throw it in there
15:36:45 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Immanetize/Beats_Redux#Basic_Release_Note_structure should help too
15:38:16 <randomuser> for example, ignatenkobrain probably knows new and exiting things going on with the mesa/gl stack, so he could add some information to the Desktop beat
15:38:30 <ignatenkobrain> I'm here
15:38:32 <Corey84> you know my publican skills suck right?
15:38:35 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser: what heappens?
15:38:38 <randomuser> Corey84, it's a wiki
15:39:20 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, stuff goes in the wiki, later we turn it into the release notes
15:39:29 <Corey84> randomuser,  the zram stuff you wanted my to write up suitable for RN ?  if oyu opinion?
15:40:32 <randomuser> Corey84, we had a bit last release on zram from kickstarts iirc - maybe not a feature point for F22, but if you write something up (any markup format) we can find a home for it.
15:40:56 <Corey84> kk
15:42:08 <randomuser> Corey84, that would go in the cookbook or storage guide
15:42:16 <randomuser> for now, anyway
15:42:23 <Corey84> cookbook lol
15:42:43 <Corey84> not sure how i could get in to fit in storage tbh
15:42:45 <randomuser> ...wait, zram isn't a storage thing, is it
15:42:57 <Corey84> well ram files   but not really
15:43:17 <Corey84> more h/w  than storage
15:44:10 * randomuser nods
15:44:36 <pbokoc> hm? The way I understand it it shouldn't have anything to do with hardware... it's a compressed block device inside the RAM - so you can store more data in the RAM than its capacity, due to the compression
15:44:47 <randomuser> ideally, we'd have a nice way to present it as an independent article, but in the short term, the cookbook is supposed to be a catchall for this kind of stuff
15:47:01 <Corey84> pbokoc,  it uses the disk to create a ram file  (which as you mentioned is managed more efficiently  adn complements any HARD Swap  or RAM onbaord)
15:48:00 <randomuser> I also understood it to be what pbokoc said
15:49:04 <pbokoc> oh, I didn't realize you were talking about where to put it
15:49:56 <randomuser> I am not adequately caffeinated
15:50:49 <Corey84> it compresses BOTH SWAP /RAM    and creates (dynamically)  swap ram files as needed from HDD/SSD
15:51:31 <Corey84> with some fancy working it can be used with a seperate factor rate than swappiness is
15:53:49 <randomuser> it sounds like there'd be a big performance hit, especially with ksm
15:54:23 <randomuser> so if anyone has some *GB unbuffered ECC registered DDR3 modules laying around....
15:56:43 <Corey84> DDR2 < would have you covered :P
15:59:12 <randomuser> I got rid of all my DDR2 servers :P
16:00:09 <Corey84> have some DDR2  sticks still tho :P
16:00:15 <Corey84> liek 8 Gb worth
16:00:47 <Corey84> heck even have some DDR iirc :)
16:04:57 <randomuser> i've got ~64GB of ECC registered DDR2 around somewhere, but am not sure if it's any good
16:05:24 <randomuser> *lots* of ecc reg ddr - like, a full case
16:06:08 <Corey84> good lord
16:20:24 <pbokoc> you should build something out of that
16:20:30 <pbokoc> like a doghouse or somerhing
16:42:04 <randomuser> pbokoc, I'm thinking squirrel trapeze
19:57:23 <randomuser> jsmith, I think I might go to LFNW, what about you?
22:04:14 <jsmith> randomuser: Probably going, but need to check dates, etc.
23:49:58 <pbokoc> randomuser, did you land on Duna yet?
23:52:25 <randomuser> pbokoc that's the second moon, right?  I'm prepping for it
23:52:43 <pbokoc> nah, the moons are Mun and Minmus, Duna is the next planet
23:52:47 <pbokoc> Mars-like
23:53:00 <randomuser> ah. no, not that far along
23:53:18 <pbokoc> also, the second moon is way easier to land on than the first one - it's further but once you're in orbit it's about 100m/s deltaV difference
23:53:36 <pbokoc> and unlike Mun, Minmus has a lot of completely flat areas easily visible from orbit
23:53:43 <randomuser> I'm thinking about orbital construction and refueling at this point
23:53:51 <pbokoc> so you don't have to fly around trying to find a flat spot
23:54:13 <randomuser> nice
23:54:43 <pbokoc> yeah, last time I played I was building a massive orbital refueling station
23:55:15 <pbokoc> then I went a bit overboard with mods, something went wrong and I didn't bother trying to fix it
23:55:22 <randomuser> heh
23:55:24 <pbokoc> now I'm just waiting for 1.0
23:55:45 <pbokoc> ...so I'm just checking if you got ahead of me yet :))
23:56:01 <randomuser> I *just* bought the arm thing.  should probably find a video that shows what it does
23:56:11 <pbokoc> wait, arm thing?
23:56:25 <pbokoc> oh, you mean THE CLAW?
23:56:37 <pbokoc> or did they add a Canadarm while I wasn't looking?!
23:57:22 <randomuser> the claw!
23:57:31 <pbokoc> whew
23:57:36 <pbokoc> yeah, I never used that
23:57:54 <randomuser> hmm
23:57:55 <pbokoc> only docking ports
23:58:17 <randomuser> I'll have to figure those out too.
23:58:39 <pbokoc> well, if you use those, stations look much better :))
23:59:40 <pbokoc> if you dock everything with THE CLAW, it works, and you can transfer fuel through it I think, but you'll never get it at 90 degree angles so the whole station ends up looking like it got t-boned
23:59:54 <pbokoc> or chewed by a space cow
00:00:10 <randomuser> wait, space cow?!?
00:00:58 <randomuser> oh, it's not a literal space cow
00:01:13 * randomuser has had a long day
00:01:17 <pbokoc> http://www.portlandmercury.com/binary/2188/1378321511-atat.jpg
00:02:04 <randomuser> heh
00:02:55 <randomuser> the Portland mercury, for when you want an escort *and* the news
00:06:18 <pbokoc> I never heard of the website, I just googled "space cow" and switched to images
00:06:22 <pbokoc> but now I'm interested
00:06:50 <pbokoc> One Day at a Time - Fifty shades of Leo DiCaprio's disgusting beard.
00:07:00 <pbokoc> dis gon b gud
00:07:22 <randomuser> it's a trashy weekly newspaper
00:07:36 <pbokoc> well... aren't they all :)
00:07:57 <randomuser> for Portland residents.   not bad writing though, to be fair
00:09:13 <pbokoc> hmm, maybe we should ask them to write some beats then
00:10:48 <randomuser> the conversation has almost completely covered my weekend plans at this point
00:11:28 <pbokoc> hmm
00:12:00 <pbokoc> we should talk about beer and sleep so that my weekend plans are covered as well
00:14:06 <randomuser> I just had another idea, though; a linkbait site with articles like "most awkward sitting postures of 2014" or "13 onion recipes you aren't going to like" and throw some really , really awful ideas into it
00:15:13 <pbokoc> that sounds an awful lot like buzzfeed
00:16:07 <pbokoc> I mean, the first hit on google for "most awkward sitting postures" that I'm getting is from there
00:16:11 <randomuser> yeah, but the difference is that the articles will be things you clearly should not be, and are not, interested in
00:16:24 <randomuser> damming, buzzfeed!
00:16:25 <pbokoc> that doesn't sound any different
00:18:06 <pbokoc> the article is pretty well written for buzzfeed standards, though. I mean, unlike the others I've seen, it's not just an album that I've seen on the front page of imgur a day before - it's an album from imgur with a short paragraph added to each photo!
00:18:15 <randomuser> well, never mind then.  the world doesn't need more than one shifty linkbait site.
00:18:24 <pbokoc> http://www.buzzfeed.com/paws/awkward-cat-sleeping-positions
00:19:37 <pbokoc> well, it definitely needs one that aggressively pushes being a Fedora docs contributor as the best thing you can do
00:20:28 <randomuser> start drafting puns!
00:21:34 <pbokoc> unfortunately, while I think my English is pretty good, it's not good enough to use puns effortlessly
00:22:05 <pbokoc> I'll never fit in with the cool crowd :(
00:27:01 <randomuser> there's one you can always fall back on, though
00:27:01 <randomuser> someone says $pun
00:27:03 <randomuser> and you can go "HA. THAT'S PUNNY."
00:28:27 <pbokoc> well, yes... the problem is if someone who knows where I live knew I ever wrote that, I'd get covered in tar and feathers
00:28:31 <pbokoc> it's the law
00:28:53 <randomuser> you have to say it extra sarcastically
00:29:10 <pbokoc> THE LAW doesn't know sarcasm!
00:32:56 <randomuser> anyway, a sarcastic pun has to be the most awful possible form of humor
00:32:59 <pbokoc> randomuser, by the way, do you know if there's a way to ask zodbot if there is currently a meeting running in a channel?
00:33:20 <randomuser> in any channel, or a specific channel?
00:33:29 <randomuser> .nextmeeting #fedora-meeting
00:33:31 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-meeting is Fedora Docs Weekly Meeting (starting in 2 days)
00:33:34 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-meeting is Fedora QA Meeting (starting in 2 days)
00:33:37 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-meeting is Cockpit Project Weekly (starting in 2 days)
00:33:40 <zodbot> randomuser: - https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/location/fedora-meeting%40irc.freenode.net/
00:34:08 <Corey84> lol , i jsut use fed2github  personnaly
00:34:11 <randomuser> .nextmeeting #fedora-blocker-review
00:34:13 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-blocker-review is Blocker Review Meeting (starting in 2 days)
00:34:16 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-blocker-review is Blocker Review Meeting (starting in 9 days)
00:34:19 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-blocker-review is Blocker Review Meeting (starting in 16 days)
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00:34:38 <pbokoc> in a specific channel. The thing is, I remembered how you sometimes forget to end Thursday's meetings, so I wanted to just ask zodbot if it happened again :)
00:34:48 <randomuser> ahh.
00:34:53 <randomuser> .nextmeeting #fedora-docs
00:34:54 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-docs is Fedora Docs Office Hours (EMEA) (starting in 2 days)
00:34:57 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-docs is Fedora Docs Office Hours (EMEA) (starting in 8 days)
00:35:00 <zodbot> randomuser: In #fedora-docs is Fedora Docs Office Hours (EMEA) (starting in 15 days)
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00:35:05 <randomuser> I see what you did there
00:35:08 <randomuser> #endmeeting