18:23:34 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora DOcs Office Hours
18:23:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 14 18:23:34 2015 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:24:11 <randomuser> #chair smccann
18:24:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: randomuser smccann
18:24:57 <smccann> omgosh, i'm a chair!  a comfy chair?  or an old wooden clunker inherited from some great grandparent that no one wants to dump?
18:25:24 <grundblom> Congrats!
18:25:33 <randomuser> #chair grundblom
18:25:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: grundblom randomuser smccann
18:25:42 <grundblom> oh boy
18:25:46 <grundblom> wait a minute...
18:25:52 <smccann> hah!  u get to be a chair too grundblom!
18:26:06 <grundblom> Not sure if I am ready for this responsibility
18:26:07 <randomuser> I'm a little distracted
18:26:20 <randomuser> tip: make sure you get rsync arguments in the correct order
18:27:07 <smccann> erm.. dunno what that tip is about randomuser
18:28:07 * jsmith gets up out of his (non-comfy hotel-room) chair and wanders off to a conference...
18:29:21 <randomuser> conference well, jsmith
18:29:33 <jsmith> randomuser: Will do!
18:36:14 <randomuser> okay, crisis averted, I'm going to go home for lunch and build the release notes rpm
18:36:42 <smccann> enjoy your lunch randomuser
18:37:22 * randomuser will be scarfing at the desk, to better participate here
18:39:27 <smccann> ah ok... so mini upate on virt-getting started...
18:39:52 <smccann> after git fits and starts, I have commits going to MASTER.  Cleaned up refs to old guides etc
18:42:42 <smccann> grundblom and others - I'm thinking of combining the 'products' and 'tools' chapters into one. They both go over virt tools and packages
18:42:57 <smccann> and likely can have some of the more advanced tools etc snipped out.
18:46:24 <grundblom> I am ok with that
18:49:58 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- immanetize pushed some commits to the 'docs/release-notes' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/4w6Fo
18:50:31 * randomuser crosses fingers, hopes rpm will build
18:52:29 <grundblom> randomuser, I have on my todo list to download and begin reading the dual boot guide and help out
18:52:50 <randomuser> awesome, grundblom
18:52:51 <grundblom> but, as always life happens and the family file server died
18:53:24 <randomuser> oh no!
18:53:38 <randomuser> like, needs a new power supply, dead, or *dead* ?
18:54:00 <grundblom> It went slowly, peacefully,
18:54:12 <grundblom> first the sata controller went out, then the nic stopped working
18:54:53 <grundblom> I do not trust the HP micro servers anymore..3rd one in two years to have board/controller failures
18:55:02 <grundblom> anyhow, sorry to make excuses
18:55:20 <randomuser> I use something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-SC933T-R760B-Storage-server-15-bay-/121640762185?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c525abb49
18:55:42 <smccann> at least your dog didn't eat it, grundblom
18:55:47 <smccann> :-)
18:55:51 <grundblom> Thats right!
18:56:28 <grundblom> randomuser, my wife will never agree to one of those...
18:56:45 <randomuser> grundblom, sell it as a useful white noise generator!
18:59:11 <pbokoc> 15 drives? What the hell do you store on those?!
19:01:37 <randomuser> there's maybe eight in there, pbokoc
19:01:49 <randomuser> and I store a lot of not caring about careful storage management
19:02:03 <pbokoc> that's still way too much unless they're 80 gigs each :))
19:02:21 <pbokoc> yeah, I have that too, but in my case it just means my /home is 326GB
19:03:05 <randomuser> 2TB each, in LVM, with raid6 LVs for whatever and three way mirror for some semi-important personal records
19:03:15 <pbokoc> I bought a single 1TB drive ~4 years ago because it was cheap and it's never been even half full
19:03:46 * randomuser checks on his submission to http://www.zimbrotop.com/pbokoc.html
19:04:04 <randomuser> fail.  This site really needs to step up it's game.
19:04:10 <pbokoc> y'all need to learn to let go of your data
19:04:31 <pbokoc> yeah, I don't think there's anyone to approve it :))
19:04:52 <pbokoc> the entire thing seems randomly generated... I mean, Penumbras Blenching Okaying Killicks Ointing Cinct?!
19:04:59 <pbokoc> the hell is a cinct?
19:05:03 <randomuser> I don't recall what I said, but it was much better than what's there
19:05:14 <randomuser> a cinct is the neck hole in a turtle shell
19:05:31 <pbokoc> randomuser, you wouldn't lie to me, would you?
19:05:45 * randomuser winks
19:06:14 <pbokoc> Definition of CINCT:  engirdled
19:06:19 <pbokoc> THANK YOU, MERRIAM-WEBSTER
19:06:22 <pbokoc> THAT'S VERY HELPFUL
19:06:34 <smccann> heh
19:06:52 <pbokoc> "First Known Use of ENGIRDLE: 1596"
19:06:53 <randomuser> girdled, as in "goes around tightly" - like a turtle shell
19:06:59 <pbokoc> what it doesn't say is last known use was a year later
19:07:29 <randomuser> en as in "within"
19:07:48 <pbokoc> yeah, I get it, I think a "girdle" was something like a type of belt in Diablo II
19:07:54 <randomuser> so it's something within something that goes tightly around another thing - neck hole in turtle shell
19:08:26 <randomuser> isn't etymology fun!?
19:08:58 <pbokoc> http://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/svg/angry-no.svg
19:10:17 <randomuser> http://i.imgur.com/UNCIO.jpg
19:10:43 <randomuser> nice, those are going in the minutes
19:11:34 <pbokoc> http://gifstumblr.com/images/come-at-me-bro_1132.gif
19:13:54 <randomuser> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ed/cd/75/edcd758ad5e901c9a7d933c2bedb5f27.jpg
19:13:57 <randomuser> I know when I'm beat
19:15:15 <pbokoc> hah
19:16:56 <randomuser> #info agreed: etymology is not fun
19:18:42 <randomuser> Capesteve, re:grub recovery on efi systems, there's an efibootmgr logged in /var/log/anaconda people can usually reuse if the firmware entry is missing
19:18:51 <randomuser> Capesteve, I have a section on this in the multiboot guide
19:19:07 <Capesteve> hello
19:19:32 <randomuser> yes, good time of day to you!
19:19:55 <randomuser> GTODTY Capesteve
19:20:48 <Capesteve> and to you too
19:22:26 <Capesteve> I have a lot of dnf feedback to apply, it is going to be  long night
19:23:03 <randomuser> can we help?
19:23:35 <randomuser> if you want to chunk out tasks , I'm sure at least one of us here would assist
19:24:40 <grundblom> dnf as in the yum replacement?
19:24:41 <Capesteve> would take longer to share out I think, I'll let you know
19:24:50 <Capesteve> yes grundblom
19:25:20 * randomuser nods
19:25:29 <grundblom> I would like to help where I can
19:25:55 <pbokoc> well, didn't we have some other guides that needed updating yum -> dnf?
19:25:58 <grundblom> If I get my home server back online by next Tuesday I will be in good shape, so I have a couple of cycles
19:26:02 <pbokoc> I think Striker was opening bugs for it some weeks ago
19:26:28 <randomuser> striker closed them because there was some uncertainty, but we should probably reexamine
19:26:46 <pbokoc> oh right
19:26:51 <randomuser> a bicycle, grundblom ?
19:27:41 <grundblom> I do have a exercise bike I torment myself every day with..
19:27:58 <randomuser> cool
19:28:23 <randomuser> I have a set of free weights in the garage, and move them out of the way *all the time*
19:29:38 <grundblom> So, do we need to alter guides and make additions about DNF in Fedora 22?
19:30:24 <randomuser> grundblom, for the most part, it's probably simple substitution
19:30:43 <pbokoc> grundblom, the only guide that discusses package management in depth is the System Administrator's Guide, and Capesteve has that covered
19:31:06 <pbokoc> in other guides, yeah, it's mostly s/yum/dnf/
19:31:31 <randomuser> hey, check this out
19:31:39 <randomuser> https://github.com/proxypoke/git-task
19:31:50 <Capesteve> after I have updated the DNF chapter, I will just do s/yum/dnf/ in the other chapters
19:32:01 <grundblom> If I remember correctly DNF keeps the same arguments as yum..
19:32:04 <randomuser> It says it's meant for one-person projects, but I wonder...
19:32:28 <Capesteve> i use taskwarrior
19:32:47 <randomuser> grundblom, the most used ones, yes, but the behavior is sometimes different, and yum-utils stuff is all different commands
19:33:19 <randomuser> I've had taskwarrior set up for a while, but just recently became motivated to actually *use* it
19:33:59 <Capesteve> i only use it in simple todo list fashion , not used the priorities settings
19:34:15 <randomuser> here too; tasks and projects
19:35:05 <grundblom> This can help me, I was using a text file before..
19:35:11 <Capesteve> now if I could link up a screen to that git-task thing.....
19:35:26 <Capesteve> and mount the screen in front of jh
19:35:32 <randomuser> heh
19:35:43 <Capesteve> I could prompt him to do stuff
19:36:12 <Capesteve> we would need an interface to the coffee machine, that has a small screen
19:36:49 <randomuser> sure, sure - when he completes the task "make coffee for Stephen" he can check off completion, right at the machine!
19:36:50 <Capesteve> {i think we had a similar conversation before, involving screens in unmentionable places}
19:38:22 <Capesteve> the one idea was to use RFID readers, to read badges, then present suitable reminders
19:39:38 <randomuser> hmm.. they make rfid rings
19:39:57 <randomuser> the readers could be tied in to a system that knows what reminder to give each tag at each location
19:40:31 <randomuser> like one on the inside doorknob at home that would remind you to put on your pants before leaving the house
19:41:17 <randomuser> oh - you already have badges to get in an out with, probably
19:43:05 <randomuser> zoglesby, are you in a position to kick off a `fedpkg build` of fedora-release-notes/f22 ?  It's stalled here for no apparent reason
19:43:08 <grundblom> ls
19:43:16 <grundblom> woops wrong window
19:43:22 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/tSKe
19:43:28 <randomuser> the fedpkg build command is literally stalled and doing nothing, I mean
19:44:34 * randomuser will try from another machine
19:45:39 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/Z6MzB
19:47:42 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/HtN1
19:49:52 <Capesteve> randomuser: yes, we have badges, we just need readers and screens at places where people least expect it
19:58:12 <grundblom> So, with the DNF changes, I was thinking of looking through the install guide and making corrections in it, would that be something worthwhile to do?
19:58:19 <Capesteve> randomuser: I wrote a section on SSH certs, have you have used them?
20:01:10 <randomuser> Capesteve, I haven't, but I should
20:01:48 <randomuser> grundblom, iirc bcotton already did theinstall guide, but grepping over it won't hurt anything
20:01:59 * randomuser takes off his pbokoc hat
20:12:17 <grundblom> Yup, no references to yum other then yum.repos.d in the install guide
20:12:20 <randomuser> zoglesby, nevermind, got it
20:12:39 <randomuser> grundblom, want to take https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1217767 ?
20:14:54 <grundblom> randomuser, sure
20:15:08 <grundblom> and just to make sure my brain is working right, this is a release notes ticket?
20:15:11 <randomuser> grundblom, add a section in.. developer tools, maybe?
20:15:18 <randomuser> yeah, release-notes.git
20:15:36 <grundblom> Developer tools in the release-notes.git repo
20:15:42 <randomuser> yes
20:16:15 <randomuser> when you've made the edit, update the ticket, then assign the ticket to me and I'll update the package
20:17:26 <randomuser> a little confusing; they filed the bug against the package, not the upstream document getting packaged
20:18:25 <grundblom> 10-4
20:47:32 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/eBNI
20:52:33 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/nGkIb
21:35:16 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/QBuWc
21:46:56 <randomuser> #info Capesteve has been committing this whole time
21:47:20 <Capesteve> ..
21:47:24 * Capesteve waves
21:54:56 <grundblom> me / waves
21:55:01 <grundblom> dangit
21:55:04 <grundblom> seeya all later
22:22:47 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- stephenw pushed some commits to the 'docs/system-administrators-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/HKSyL
22:24:18 <Capesteve> g'night, see y'all in 7 hours time
22:26:02 <randomuser> g'night
22:29:13 <randomuser> #endmeeting