20:03:41 <jsmith> #startmeeting Flock Docs Talk 20:03:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 12 20:03:41 2015 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:08 <jsmith> #topic Introduction by Brian Exelbierd and Pete Travis 20:04:26 <jsmith> Will talk about new workflows and tools and new contributor experience 20:04:34 <jsmith> #topic New Contributor Experience 20:05:16 <jsmith> What should I do? How do I get started? (Blank list -- no engagement there from the beginning) 20:05:29 <jsmith> Some people stick around... and then ask "What should I do, really?" 20:05:48 <jsmith> Start by writing about what you'd like to write about. 20:06:32 <jsmith> But that doesn't keep people enthused -- it's overwhelming. 20:06:41 <jsmith> They don't want to pick the wrong thing, or something within the right scope, etc. 20:09:02 <jsmith> Where does my writing go? 20:09:09 <jsmith> Wherever it fits... or not. 20:09:17 <jsmith> Established guides have a well-defined scope. 20:09:28 <jsmith> Started a new Guide (with a capital G) is a big deal. 20:09:32 <jsmith> Publishing is delayed. 20:10:35 <jsmith> Who can help me? We can! 20:10:41 <jsmith> We've got a great team on standby 20:10:49 <jsmith> Broadly responsive mailing list 20:10:53 <jsmith> Active and friendly IRC channel 20:11:04 <jsmith> Workshops available twice a week during "office hours" on IRC 20:12:36 <jsmith> What do I need? 20:12:46 <jsmith> Tools... publican, docbook, editors, xmllint, git 20:12:59 <jsmith> DocBook is not easy to become familiar with, harder to be proficient in 20:13:06 <jsmith> Publican renders well, but can be confusing 20:13:28 <jsmith> Syntax highlighting? Tag completion? Validation? Be prepared to spend time on setup with your editor 20:13:37 <jsmith> xmllint error report isn't exactly intuitive 20:13:44 <jsmith> Legacy website, broken deps.... 20:13:56 <jsmith> Git allows collaboration, peer review, change management, and more. 20:16:57 <jsmith> Ideal solution... 20:17:07 <jsmith> Documents go through a predictable, staged life cycle 20:17:14 <jsmith> We want to support multiple markup formats 20:17:23 <jsmith> Peer review focuses on content quality 20:17:32 <jsmith> Publishing should (and can) happen automagically 20:17:45 <jsmith> SIGs and other teams can "own" content and get support 20:17:58 <jsmith> Provides a home for internally facing content 20:24:08 <jsmith> #info Document Life Cycle 20:24:37 <jsmith> Idea -> Draft -> Review -> Revision -> Translation -> Publication 20:25:31 <jsmith> #topic The New Model 20:25:39 <jsmith> How do I contribute? 20:25:44 <jsmith> The drive-by submission 20:26:04 <jsmith> Modular -- pick up what you can -- low commitment threshold 20:26:15 <jsmith> The other is the "You're the owner of this content" model 20:26:57 <jsmith> The Protégé -- In-depth, comprehensive writing 20:28:11 <jsmith> #topic Summary 20:28:18 <jsmith> Contributor experience needs to be improved 20:28:25 <jsmith> Tooing is insufficient 20:28:38 <jsmith> Drive-by/low commitment contributions are critical to Fedora Docs success 20:30:50 <jsmith> #info Help us make the tools to support the model on Friday at 5pm 20:30:58 <jsmith> We'll be working on: 20:31:12 <jsmith> * git structure (pagure - may mostly be confirming functionality/config) 20:31:25 <jsmith> * process for triggered publish/testing (this has been started with buildbot) 20:31:43 <jsmith> * sub tasks to create builders based on the specific markup (DocBook first) 20:31:56 <jsmith> * Visual design and meta site builder (needs help) 20:32:30 <jsmith> #topic Questions 20:37:39 <jsmith> Question about the style guide, and are we open to changes? 20:37:51 <jsmith> Short answer is "of course" 20:46:33 <jsmith> #endmeeting