20:03:41 #startmeeting Flock Docs Talk 20:03:41 Meeting started Wed Aug 12 20:03:41 2015 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:08 #topic Introduction by Brian Exelbierd and Pete Travis 20:04:26 Will talk about new workflows and tools and new contributor experience 20:04:34 #topic New Contributor Experience 20:05:16 What should I do? How do I get started? (Blank list -- no engagement there from the beginning) 20:05:29 Some people stick around... and then ask "What should I do, really?" 20:05:48 Start by writing about what you'd like to write about. 20:06:32 But that doesn't keep people enthused -- it's overwhelming. 20:06:41 They don't want to pick the wrong thing, or something within the right scope, etc. 20:09:02 Where does my writing go? 20:09:09 Wherever it fits... or not. 20:09:17 Established guides have a well-defined scope. 20:09:28 Started a new Guide (with a capital G) is a big deal. 20:09:32 Publishing is delayed. 20:10:35 Who can help me? We can! 20:10:41 We've got a great team on standby 20:10:49 Broadly responsive mailing list 20:10:53 Active and friendly IRC channel 20:11:04 Workshops available twice a week during "office hours" on IRC 20:12:36 What do I need? 20:12:46 Tools... publican, docbook, editors, xmllint, git 20:12:59 DocBook is not easy to become familiar with, harder to be proficient in 20:13:06 Publican renders well, but can be confusing 20:13:28 Syntax highlighting? Tag completion? Validation? Be prepared to spend time on setup with your editor 20:13:37 xmllint error report isn't exactly intuitive 20:13:44 Legacy website, broken deps.... 20:13:56 Git allows collaboration, peer review, change management, and more. 20:16:57 Ideal solution... 20:17:07 Documents go through a predictable, staged life cycle 20:17:14 We want to support multiple markup formats 20:17:23 Peer review focuses on content quality 20:17:32 Publishing should (and can) happen automagically 20:17:45 SIGs and other teams can "own" content and get support 20:17:58 Provides a home for internally facing content 20:24:08 #info Document Life Cycle 20:24:37 Idea -> Draft -> Review -> Revision -> Translation -> Publication 20:25:31 #topic The New Model 20:25:39 How do I contribute? 20:25:44 The drive-by submission 20:26:04 Modular -- pick up what you can -- low commitment threshold 20:26:15 The other is the "You're the owner of this content" model 20:26:57 The Protégé -- In-depth, comprehensive writing 20:28:11 #topic Summary 20:28:18 Contributor experience needs to be improved 20:28:25 Tooing is insufficient 20:28:38 Drive-by/low commitment contributions are critical to Fedora Docs success 20:30:50 #info Help us make the tools to support the model on Friday at 5pm 20:30:58 We'll be working on: 20:31:12 * git structure (pagure - may mostly be confirming functionality/config) 20:31:25 * process for triggered publish/testing (this has been started with buildbot) 20:31:43 * sub tasks to create builders based on the specific markup (DocBook first) 20:31:56 * Visual design and meta site builder (needs help) 20:32:30 #topic Questions 20:37:39 Question about the style guide, and are we open to changes? 20:37:51 Short answer is "of course" 20:46:33 #endmeeting